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wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Jan 13, 2014 - 05:58pm PT
"Are the private sector members of you here really interested in participating in his gamble"


Yes.

The only gamble here is not doing anything about CC. The only thing that could be worse than this "Gamble",is to side with you and yours.

You deniers have nothing left but to deny science and those who support it.

Remember,focus on the uncertainties,never mind what is proven.

Real honest ,the whole lot of you.







56f here today,january 13 2014.
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Jan 13, 2014 - 06:36pm PT
Awe come on Chloe.
Don't be like that.
Just because another climate scientist/expert further demonstrated his smarts.... that's no reason to get pissy.
Not pissy at all, Sketch, just laughing at you.

But to demonstrate your smarts ... parroting blogs does not work, do you have a train of thought here? Feel free to articulate that in your own words.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Jan 13, 2014 - 06:57pm PT
Yeah,It was near 60f the day before the "polar vortex" at -16f,and now 56.

I know it is only weather,but we have had 4 inches of rain in 2014.

Shifts in weather,or are they extremes?
By now ,this is usually a great ski line.Giant Mt.,Dacks.
By now ,this is usually a great ski line.Giant Mt.,Dacks.
Credit: wilbeer
Our BC.
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Jan 13, 2014 - 07:06pm PT
I'm sure you prefer that over discussing how another climate expert (your people) is getting his just desserts for being a self-important dumbf*ck.
That is your train of thought? You just failed at mind-reading and the show-smarts test.
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Jan 13, 2014 - 08:01pm PT
Okay O wise and intelligent Chiloe... tell us what a disinterested observer might consider humorous about the Spirit of Mawson Antarctic expedition.
You gave up pretty quickly on trying to articulate your own train of thought.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Jan 13, 2014 - 10:06pm PT
http://www.thepiratescove.us/2014/01/13/if-all-you-see-1009/
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Jan 13, 2014 - 10:13pm PT
TGT,

save yourself the trouble of posting..

no one clicks on your links, you have no credibility
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Jan 14, 2014 - 05:29am PT
Bruce, that was an excellent interview with Neil.Thanks.He sounds so ,utopian,er,even ethical.Somebody here will throw him under his biodiesel bus,though.

Sketch,yes ,I live in Honeoye Falls and have nothing to hide.You coming up to ice fish Honeoye Lake? You first ,I mean being an ice expert and all.

Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
Jan 14, 2014 - 09:59am PT

Jan 13, 2014 - 07:13pm PT
TGT,

save yourself the trouble of posting..

no one clicks on your links, you have no credibility

What's funny is that's the first time I clicked one of his links. Surprisingly, it was dumber than even I expected.
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
Jan 14, 2014 - 10:16am PT
Cat fight!
WBraun

climber
Jan 14, 2014 - 10:30am PT
Your style???? ^^^^^^

Bruce you made four paragraphs and said absolutely nothing at all as usual .... zero!!!
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
Jan 14, 2014 - 10:49am PT
Ducks don't explain, they troll the waters.

Didja get that lame, ripped off propaganda from TGT, Chief? Who got it off some lame blog? I didn't realize idiocy needed so many support groups! It's a strange rabbit hole you've found yourself in, but at least it keeps you busy in your doddering old age.
BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
Jan 14, 2014 - 11:04am PT
Ed,

The problem that the upstream E&P companies are facing is that there isn't very much easy to find oil left.

The U.S. decline curve has reversed over the past few years due to all of the horizontal drilling, but for people who think that the Bakken is the answer to our problems, that idea is false. The U.S. had something like 190 billion bbls of oil and we have produced most of it.

The best place to go for oil and gas information is without a doubt the Energy Information Administration

http://www.eia.gov/

Natural gas, which you mentioned, is a different story. Very few of the shale plays are liquids rich. There are areas where the finding cost exceeds the value at $100/bbl, but we are swimming in natural gas. Drilling for natural gas has almost stopped at the moment because gas prices are low. They are low due to the massive amount of new gas on the market from the shale gas plays.

It usually takes about 8 horizontal wells to drain a square mile. Right now, many of those wells aren't paying out due to gas prices being so low. Oil is sky high, but natural gas prices are where they were 20 years ago.

It takes one well to hold the leases, so what companies are doing is drilling one well per square mile to hold the leases by production. We call these leases "HBP" or held by production.

The other 7 wells per section are called "increased density" wells, and the number of increased density wells is huge. That paper that you cited doesn't accurately portray natural gas reserves.

In some markets, liquefied natural gas, or LNG, can be exported via ship, but this is very expensive. There are massive natural gas fields in the middle east that were discovered long ago and still sit idle due to no market.

To understand markets, you need to understand long haul vs. short haul tanker runs. We actually use very little oil from the middle east. Most of our imports come from Mexico, Canada, and the Atlantic Basin countries such as Nigeria, Venezuela, etc. This is all explained on the EIA website, which is sort of like the NSA of energy statistics.

Look at Iran. Iran has several of the largest natural gas fields on the planet, but as far as oil goes, Iran is considered "mature." Mature means that it is well explored. They are currently switching to natural gas as a transportation fuel so that they can export their oil, which is their only source of income.

We could do the same. It isn't difficult to convert a vehicle to run on natural gas, it is also cleaner in both CO2 emissions, but other pollutants as well. The only down side is that you have to fill up twice as often.

I've attached a map showing part of the Woodford Shale play in the Anadarko Basin. It shows an area where they have drilled the increased density wells, and around it areas where only one well per section are holding the leases. There are vast areas where no increased density wells have been drilled. The companies paid huge amounts for the leases, most of which have a 3 year primary term, and if you don't get production within that primary term, the leases expire.

First is an outline of the Anadarko Basin Woodford Play. I am only showing the horizontals. There are thousands of old vertical wells which produced conventional reservoirs:

Credit: BASE104

Here I have zoomed in on a small area where they have drilled the increased density wells (8 wells per square mile).

Credit: BASE104

This gas is proven, undeveloped (PUD's). The amount of undrilled natural gas in these plays is huge.

It is also very easy to hit oil. It is much harder to hit oil in quantities where the wells pay out. With oil now ag 100 bucks per bbl, many places that were not economic in the past, are now.

I would urge you to get your energy data from the EIA website. They rule.
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Jan 14, 2014 - 11:28am PT
A few pages back, Fortmental posted notes from a new cognitive study asking why people's views about climate change can be influenced by today's weather -- as many posters here, but pretty much no scientists, seem seem to think that it should.

Anyway, today the Christian Science Monitor's science reporter Peter Spotts has a story about that study.
BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
Jan 14, 2014 - 11:37am PT
Ed,

Yep, I've been hollering for a carbon tax since Reagan. His energy policy was Cheap Oil At Any Cost. Prices cratered, the domestic industry imploded.

We waste too much of the stuff whether you believe in global warming or not. 5% of the world's population uses 25% of the world's production, and transportation is the main use of liquid hydrocarbons. We fight wars based on keeping the cost down.

Coal is the preferred method of generating electricity. They build coal fired power plants in Oklahoma, Louisiana, Texas, and it drives the natural gas producers nuts.

The thinking in the domestic industry is to convert to nat gas as a transportation fuel, and use that as a bridge to get us to something truly clean. Methane is the cleanest of them all.
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Jan 14, 2014 - 11:49am PT
No BK,, the NASA report says the drought is FROM tectonic activities in the pacific. Nary an AGW werd was heard.
Why don't you track down that NASA report, Ron, and find out what it really said?
BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
Jan 14, 2014 - 12:02pm PT
Ed,

I mentioned the only problem with natural gas as a transportation fuel:

You only go half as far before having to fill up again.

It is ideal for fleet vehicles such as busses and UPS, etc. They have been using natural gas for decades. It saves them a ton of money, particularly right now.

If we switched to natural gas as a transportation fuel, our imports would shrink a great deal. Then we wouldn't have to keep a Nimitz class carrier group in the Middle East 24/7.

The argument over fracking is 99% made up baloney. The wells are low pressure producers compared to, say, an overpressured Springer Sand well that has 15,000 psia flowing pressure.
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Jan 14, 2014 - 12:33pm PT
which one of you knuckleheads are in charge?
which one of you knuckleheads are in charge?
Credit: Wade Icey

Peer reviewed dumbass!
Peer reviewed dumbass!
Credit: The Chef
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
U.N. Ambassador, Crackistan
Jan 14, 2014 - 01:02pm PT
How many explicitly endorse the position that more than half of the global warming since 1950 was man-made?

More than one percent?

Parse attack!

DMT
BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
Jan 14, 2014 - 01:47pm PT
Hazardous containment water? I don't know much.

If you are referring to flow back frack load water, it is now cheaper to recycle it and use it over and over again. Early on, some states without a big oil and gas presence did all sorts of crazy stuff with it, such as salting roads. You would go to prison in any of the main production states if you did that.

The biggest problem with that water is that it is high in chlorides. Saltwater contamination is one of the worst pollutants around. It isn't toxic to humans, but it certainly is with plants. A saltwater spill is harder to clean up than an oil spill when on shore.
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