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k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 4, 2014 - 10:01am PT
Sketch, you're on to something. You should buy stock in ski resorts in the lower 48. You can get great deals in Cali.
Cragar

climber
MSLA - MT
Mar 4, 2014 - 10:06am PT
The primary winter months of December, January, and February averaged over the contiguous 48 United States were the 2nd coldest winter in the last 35 years.

Lower US = what % of the earth? What happens to the 'coldest winter' when you include AK?
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Mar 4, 2014 - 10:08am PT
Oh Sketch please get a grip.

"It's cold in my neighborhood so Global climate change must be bunk"
Does the Earth look flat from your house?
Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
Mar 4, 2014 - 10:45am PT
the contiguous 48 United States were the 2nd coldest winter in the last 35 years.

What is the signficance of "35 years". Wouldn't be cherry picking data would you? Why only the lower 48? Wouldn't be cherry picking would you?

Meanwhile in Australia with summer occuring during our "coldest winter in blah blah", from the Adelaide newspaper:

"Last month was the hottest January on record and the state recorded its fourth hottest day in history of 45.1c on January 14.

The five consecutive days above 42C from January 13 to January 17 were also a record.

Coming on the back of the hottest ever year across Australia and South Australia last year — since reliable records were first kept in 1887 — South Australia could quite easily record its hottest ever summer.

The bureau says its data supports the scientific community that argues increasing greenhouse gases, attributed to human activity, are trapping more heat and causing higher temperatures.

“The earth has experienced climate change for ever and a day and there are natural contributors to climate change, but our observations strongly support that recently it is almost entirely due to what people have done to the atmosphere,’’ Mr Lainio said.

“Global warming is just looking at the heat aspect, while climate change is looking at the bigger picture, but it all relates to more carbon dioxide being trapped.’’

The latest global temperatures released by NASA showed 2013 was the seventh-warmest year on record, while the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration put 2013 in fourth place.

Nine of the 10 warmest years have occurred since 2002"


TomCochrane

Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
Mar 4, 2014 - 02:53pm PT
Engineered Drought Catastrophe, Target California

Most of the “the golden state” is now parched, baked and dried far beyond any historical precedent. Reservoirs are nearly empty, streams are drying up, and forests are dying by the day. Catastrophic fires will also continue to decimate California due to the engineered drought.
by Dane Wigington, GeoEngineeringWatch.org

Much of the state went through all of 2013 with no significant rain. Why? What will it take to wake people up to the “weather warfare” being waged on them? Geoengineering reduces overall global rainfall totals (though it can also trigger regions of torrential flooding). Intentionally caused drought is weather warfare, period. There is a great deal of disinformation out there already and it’s getting worse by the day. Even some of the biggest “alternative news sites” are helping to “toe the line” for the global elite by putting out articles on drought and “global cooling” which make no mention of the climate engineering at all. Yet, on the other hand, these same “news sites” claim to be aware of climate engineering and they say they are against it. Which is it? How can they be aware of the geoengineering programs and yet put out climate article after climate article without so much as mentioning the elephant in the room that is climate engineering? The articles from these “alternative media sites are even claiming all the chaotic weather is just “normal cycles”. This is exactly what corporate media does, so whose side are these alternative media sites on? How is it possible that any weather in a completely engineered climate system is “normal”?

Is This The End Of The Road?
Many are finally beginning to wake up to the fact that the something is very wrong with the weather. Many are finally realizing something profound is happening in our skies. Some are now finally making the decision to get involved with the fight to raise awareness of the lethal climate engineering programs, but are we already too late?
Have the geoengineers already pushed Earth’s natural systems past the point of no return? Based on all available data, the answer is very likely yes. The damage already done to our planet from anthropogenic activity, which includes geoengineering, has guaranteed us a planet that is much less hospitable than the one we have known. However difficult the future looks, we could yet perhaps preserve the planet’s ability to support life if we can stop climate engineering. This battle must be won or all will be lost.

No Natural Weather
It is imperative that we all work together toward the goal of making the population as a whole understand that virtually all their “weather” is being completely manipulated. That there is NO NATURAL WEATHER at this point. That we are all the victims of “weather warfare” and many of us will soon be climate refugees if we are not able to bring the climate engineering to light and to a halt. On top of all this we are all literally being poisoned by the toxic metal fallout from these programs, but that’s another story.

Geoengineered Drought, Target California
The recent NOAA map above illustrates an unprecedented pattern of precipitation or lack thereof. Almost the entire country is shown at above normal precipitation while California looks like it has a virtual “bull’s-eye” of below normal rainfall predicted (scheduled). One can draw their own conclusions from this map; does this pattern really look natural?
The NOAA map above is about as unnatural as it gets. Welcome to global geoengineering.
The true severity of the drought in the west is not accurately reflected in the “drought monitor” map above. The actual conditions on the ground are much much worse as California has been descending into ever worsening drought for 7 years now. This season to date there has been no significant rain at all.

HAARP ionosphere heating facility in Alaska
There are numerous ionosphere heating installations around the globe that are used to manipulate the jet stream into historically unprecedented patterns. The manipulated jet stream is one of several primary factors relating to the climate chaos now being inflicted on planet Earth.

With the combination of constant aerosol spraying and ionosphere heater utilization (HAARP) the climate engineers have effectively cut off the flow of moisture to the state of California. Why? There are likely a number of probable reasons. First, California is possibly a climate “sacrifice zone”. This means that California is collateral damage for the constant parade of engineered snow storms being whipped up further east in the US. The rain blocking high pressure ridge that the climate engineers have locked in place over the western US and the eastern Pacific pushes the jet stream straight north, carrying the moisture with it before rain can come anywhere near California. This moisture then travels as far as Alaska and the Arctic. The jet is then turned back south as it wraps clockwise around the HAARP/ ionosphere heater created dome of high pressure. Then, it is pumped all the way down to the southern US carrying heavily sprayed and chemically ice nucleated moisture with it which enhances the artificial cool down of the eastern US.

Another part of the puzzle is likely this, a population that has no water and cannot grow any food does not tend to be in a position to effectively protest the crimes of its government. California has historically grown so much food for the nation that the catastrophic drought has very far reaching ramifications. Control the food supply and you control the population. There is also the growing effort by the government to take control of water rights in California and other regions in the west. The climate engineers literally have California by the throat and it does not appear they are going to let go anytime soon. The weather makers can drought California into a desert from top to bottom, we are well on our way to this already. Forests that were green and lush only ten years ago are now wilting, withering, and in many places have already died.

In addition to the almost total lack of rain in California caused by the climate manipulation, the jet sprayed aerosols utilized in the geoengineering programs are desiccants. These are materials that adhere to all available moisture in the atmosphere creating very low humidity on the ground under many conditions which further dries out the already parched state. Now let’s add the constant record high temperatures that often go along with consistent high pressure. All things considered, it’s a recipe for creating a dust bowl out of a once beautiful state. It’s a method for bringing the population of this state to their knees.

Where Are the Geoengineers Concentrating Their Efforts, and How Cool Are They Making the Planet Overall?
The NASA temperature analysis map above should make clear where the climate engineers are most focused in their efforts to create a “cool down”. This map illustrates recent temperature trends as compared to the 30 year average. The NASA map clearly shows the only “cooler” places on the planet compared to the long term average. These areas of below normal temperatures are a direct result of massive geoengineering efforts such as those described above. If the temperature variations on this map seem unnatural, they are. Though the US media is trying frantically to convince its population (with considerable success) that the world is in a deep freeze, this is patently false from a global perspective. The radical swings in temperatures and conditions will persist and worsen as the climate engineers literally tear Earth’s natural life-support systems apart. The climate engineers can and are radically cooling huge areas, but at the cost of a greatly worsened overall warming and a completely decimated climate system.

What Can We Do? Everyone can and must help with this all important battle. All must get up off the bench and assist in the critical effort to raise awareness. Get organized with others in your community. Get educated (this means examining real data, not headlines), get credible information to hand out, hold viewings of documentary films like “Look Up” from film maker George Barnes, do whatever it takes to sound the alarm. If we can simply bring the climate engineering crimes to the light of day, and reach critical mass of awareness, the dominos that keep these programs in operation will start to fall.

Dane Wigington – Bio
Dane Wigington has an extensive background in solar energy. He is a former employee of Bechtel Power Corp. and was a licensed contractor in California and Arizona. His personal residence was feature in a cover article on the world’s largest renewable energy magazine, Home Power. He owns a 1,600-acre “wildlife preserve” next to Lake Shasta in northern California. He focused his efforts and energy on the geoengineering issue when he began to lose very significant amounts of solar uptake due to what ever-increasing “solar obscuration” caused from the aircraft spraying as he also noted significant decline in forest health and began testing and research into the geoengineering issue about a decade ago.He is the lead researcher for www.geoengineeringwatch.org and has investigated all levels of geo engineering from chemtrails to HAARP. He assisted Michael Murphy with his production of “What in the World are They Spraying” and has appeared on an extensive number of interviews to explain the environmental dangers we face on a global level.
TomCochrane

Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
Mar 4, 2014 - 08:45pm PT

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qM1PXon31U

Interviews with the HAARP inventor, HAARP project manager, HAARP PR Dir, etc...

HAARP High Altitude Auroral Research Program
62 degrees 23' 26.27"N; 145 degrees 8' 48.03 W

HIPAS High Power Auroral Stimulation
64 degrees 17' 29.66"N; 149 degrees 11' 30.60 W

HLMS High Latitude Monitoring System
61 degrees 15' 49.79 N; 149 degrees 51' 0.03" W

TomCochrane

Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
Mar 4, 2014 - 10:08pm PT
Ed, I generally respect your opinions and scientific integrity, but please see this recent video before you comment about HAARP influence on the ionosphere and weather. I was first told about this in detail by a very concerned scientist at the Navy Warfare Lab in Washington DC in about 1992

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qM1PXon31U
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Mar 4, 2014 - 10:31pm PT
I would agree that climate change is one of the defining issues of our time-that is, mental health issues on your proponents side. Ed, are you becoming addled at the tender young age of 60. Try to stir those cobwebs away amigo-it was the thermosphere that collapsed in 08-10 as result of the deep solar minima between cycle 23/24.

This thread is losing its entertainment value with The Chief on sabbatical and the ever insulting Bruce missing in action. Where are the insults, the rants, and all other manner of good natured humor? Ed, your humor is too subtle, get a bit more outrageous.
dirtbag

climber
Mar 4, 2014 - 11:30pm PT
There goes the neighborhood...
dirtbag

climber
Mar 4, 2014 - 11:42pm PT
We have also arranged things so that almost no one understands science and technology.

He's talking about you dim bulb.
TomCochrane

Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
Mar 5, 2014 - 12:25am PT
Unless you are getting paid to provide misinformation and misdirect the discussion, it's pretty much a waste of your time to peruse this thread if you haven't already watched the two presentations posted above and referenced here again:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c34U0Pwz4_c#t=1032

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qM1PXon31U
Dr.Sprock

Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
Mar 5, 2014 - 01:26am PT
please confine your discussions to the topic at hand, otherwise we will yank this thread,
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Mar 5, 2014 - 01:54am PT
DING DING...DING DING...
You truly are the fool of fools on this thread.
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Keep sucking boy wonder.... keep sucking on the teet of SCIENTISM and CAGW
.So let us DO clarify what actually is the "Topic at Hand" per the original post above.
Obviously it is merely nothing more than a slanderous personal attack
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Obviously it is merely nothing more than a slanderous personal attack towards anyone that DOES NOT BELIEVE in CAGW by a publicly professing environmental liberal extremist that truly disdains anyone that does not agree with his ideological way of thinking.
Obviously it is merely nothing more than a slanderous personal attack towards anyone that DOES NOT BELIEVE in CAGW by a publicly professing environmental liberal extremist that truly disdains anyone that does not agree with his ideological way of thinking.
Obviously it is merely nothing more than a slanderous personal attack
Par for the course and the lot he pertains to.
DING DING...
Maybe one day you just may find it..... Maybe.
So says ST's self-worth seeking narcissist and King of Selfies with over 26,500 posts. Each of which is totally meaningless and who has contributed zilch to this particular thread's "discussion".
It is their standard protocol and practice.
Maybe one day you just may find it..... Maybe.
You truly are the fool of fools on this thread.
Obviously it is merely nothing more than a slanderous personal attack
Carry on and keep seeking. Maybe one day you just may find it..... Maybe.
Obviously it is merely nothing more than a slanderous personal attack
It is their standard protocol and practice.
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Very interesting to see how Weather incidents have become a viable ingredient in this "discussion" of CAGW. Of course it is only viable when the Warm and totally distorted "Extreme" incidents are presented. Anything else is not allowed nor accepted.
Far more importantly, he is talking directly to all of you CLOSE MINDED EGOTISTICAL SCIENTISM THINKING/FOLLOWING fools.
But be advised, you are wasting your time with this lot of SCIENTISM IDEOLOGICAL THINKING/LIVING individuals.
Maybe one day you just may find it..... Maybe.
DING DING...
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Keep sucking boy wonder.... keep sucking on the teet of SCIENTISM and CAGW
Obviously it is merely nothing more than a slanderous personal attack towards anyone that DOES NOT BELIEVE in CAGW by a publicly professing environmental liberal extremist that truly disdains anyone that does not agree with his ideological way of thinking.
Obviously it is merely nothing more than a slanderous personal attack
Prepare yourself for the onslaught of discrediting & personal attacks that will be blasted right at you for thinking and believing as you do.
Obviously it is merely nothing more than a slanderous personal attack
It is their standard protocol and practice.
DING DING...
Obviously it is merely nothing more than a slanderous personal attack towards anyone that DOES NOT BELIEVE in CAGW by a publicly professing environmental liberal extremist that truly disdains anyone that does not agree with his ideological way of thinking.
Maybe one day you just may find it..... Maybe.
Maybe one day you just may find it..... Maybe.
Obviously it is merely nothing more than a slanderous personal attack towards anyone that DOES NOT BELIEVE in CAGW by a publicly professing environmental liberal extremist that truly disdains anyone that does not agree with his ideological way of thinking.
Obviously it is merely nothing more than a slanderous personal attack
DING DING...
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Keep sucking boy wonder.... keep sucking on the teet of SCIENTISM and CAGW
Prepare yourself for the onslaught of discrediting & personal attacks that will be blasted right at you for thinking and believing as you do.
Obviously it is merely nothing more than a slanderous personal attack
It is their standard protocol and practice.
Obviously it is merely nothing more than a slanderous personal attack towards anyone that DOES NOT BELIEVE in CAGW by a publicly professing environmental liberal extremist that truly disdains anyone that does not agree with his ideological way of thinking.
Maybe one day you just may find it..... Maybe.
DING DING...You truly are the fool of fools on this thread.
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Keep sucking boy wonder.... keep sucking on the teet of SCIENTISM and CAGW
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Mar 5, 2014 - 02:06am PT
Obviously it is merely nothing more than a slanderous personal attack
Par for the course and the lot he pertains to.
DING DING...
Maybe one day you just may find it..... Maybe.
So says ST's self-worth seeking narcissist and King of Selfies with over 26,500 posts. Each of which is totally meaningless and who has contributed zilch to this particular thread's "discussion".
It is their standard protocol and practice.
Maybe one day you just may find it..... Maybe.
You truly are the fool of fools on this thread.
Obviously it is merely nothing more than a slanderous personal attack
Carry on and keep seeking. Maybe one day you just may find it..... Maybe.
Obviously it is merely nothing more than a slanderous personal attack
It is their standard protocol and practice.
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Very interesting to see how Weather incidents have become a viable ingredient in this "discussion" of CAGW. Of course it is only viable when the Warm and totally distorted "Extreme" incidents are presented. Anything else is not allowed nor accepted.
Far more importantly, he is talking directly to all of you CLOSE MINDED EGOTISTICAL SCIENTISM THINKING/FOLLOWING fools.
But be advised, you are wasting your time with this lot of SCIENTISM IDEOLOGICAL THINKING/LIVING individuals.
Maybe one day you just may find it..... Maybe.
DING DING...
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Keep sucking boy wonder.... keep sucking on the teet of SCIENTISM and CAGW
Obviously it is merely nothing more than a slanderous personal attack towards anyone that DOES NOT BELIEVE in CAGW by a publicly professing environmental liberal extremist that truly disdains anyone that does not agree with his ideological way of thinking.
Obviously it is merely nothing more than a slanderous personal attack
Prepare yourself for the onslaught of discrediting & personal attacks that will be blasted right at you for thinking and believing as you do.
Obviously it is merely nothing more than a slanderous personal attack
It is their standard protocol and practice.
DING DING...Obviously it is merely nothing more than a slanderous personal attack towards anyone that DOES NOT BELIEVE in CAGW by a publicly professing environmental liberal extremist that truly disdains anyone that does not agree with his ideological way of thinking.
Obviously it is merely nothing more than a slanderous personal attack
Par for the course and the lot he pertains to.
DING DING...
Maybe one day you just may find it..... Maybe.
So says ST's self-worth seeking narcissist and King of Selfies with over 26,500 posts. Each of which is totally meaningless and who has contributed zilch to this particular thread's "discussion".
It is their standard protocol and practice.
Maybe one day you just may find it..... Maybe.
You truly are the fool of fools on this thread.
Obviously it is merely nothing more than a slanderous personal attack
Carry on and keep seeking. Maybe one day you just may find it..... Maybe.
Obviously it is merely nothing more than a slanderous personal attack
It is their standard protocol and practice.
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Very interesting to see how Weather incidents have become a viable ingredient in this "discussion" of CAGW. Of course it is only viable when the Warm and totally distorted "Extreme" incidents are presented. Anything else is not allowed nor accepted.
Far more importantly, he is talking directly to all of you CLOSE MINDED EGOTISTICAL SCIENTISM THINKING/FOLLOWING fools.
But be advised, you are wasting your time with this lot of SCIENTISM IDEOLOGICAL THINKING/LIVING individuals.
Maybe one day you just may find it..... Maybe.
DING DING...
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Keep sucking boy wonder.... keep sucking on the teet of SCIENTISM and CAGW
Degaine

climber
Mar 5, 2014 - 03:35am PT
The Chief wrote:
So says ST's self-worth seeking narcissist and King of Selfies with over 26,500 posts. Each of which is totally meaningless and who has contributed zilch to this particular thread's "discussion".

Not a single one of your posts has contributed to this thread's discussion, so what's your point?

You also have several thousand posts as well to your name, so you're just as narcissistic as those you accuse. You clearly enjoy the attention, no matter how negative.
raymond phule

climber
Mar 5, 2014 - 03:51am PT

Unless you are getting paid to provide misinformation and misdirect the discussion, it's pretty much a waste of your time to peruse this thread if you haven't already watched the two presentations posted above and referenced here again:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c34U0Pwz4_c#t=1032

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qM1PXon31U

Really? We should look at 2 hours of youtube videos to get the information? I looked 12 minutes at the second one before I got bored.
dirtbag

climber
Mar 5, 2014 - 09:14am PT
You got anything in science literature that says anything different or disproves Tom's claim???


Go away.
raymond phule

climber
Mar 5, 2014 - 09:45am PT
new world order2 seems to have a problem in understanding, the past, the present and the future.

I still can't understand how articles about possibilities for and proposed geo-enginnering say anything about if geo-enginnering is happen today.

I neither think that brain-storming of possibly solutions are that important. It is a very long way from an idea to actually use that idea in the real world.
dirtbag

climber
Mar 5, 2014 - 10:06am PT
Typical MO for you Chief: make up sh#t. That's what you do.
dirtbag

climber
Mar 5, 2014 - 10:24am PT
Conspiracy theories are like religious fundamentalism. There is always a great man or men, out of sight, pulling the strings, working in mysterious ways for mysterious purposes, that explains everything.
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