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The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Aug 31, 2013 - 07:48pm PT
The EXCUSES are coming to light.

Nice:

1. A Cooler Pacific May Be Behind Recent Pause In Global Warming
http://www.npr.org/2013/08/29/216415005/a-cooler-pacific-may-be-behind-recent-pause-in-global-warming

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/28/pacific-ocean-temperatures_n_3832273.html

* WAIT A MINUTE, Chiloe/MONO etal state the STT's Globally are on a steady rise??

2.Global Warming Slowdown Data Sought in UN Climate Report
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-08-29/global-warming-slowdown-data-sought-in-un-climate-report.html

*The IPPC has NO ANSWER and the MODELS DID NOT INDICATE IT. The EU wants answers.

FörtMental

Social climber
Albuquerque
Aug 31, 2013 - 08:07pm PT
Meanwhile....

Rapid, climate-driven changes in outlet glaciers on the Pacific coast of East Antarctica


Chief Sticks-for-Brains, do you understand what a "rate of change" means? Do you understand that if you go uphill at a %7 grade and then it changes to %5, that you're still going UP the FUKKING HILL?
BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
Aug 31, 2013 - 08:14pm PT
Chief doesn't understand how science works.

He is incapable of considering, without emotion, a science question.

All I see are things that he picks out to reinforce a position that he took based on politics rather than evidence.

You can't do that with science. You will step on your dick.

TC, go read up on the Mesozoic hothouse event. It was CO2 forced, and we have a pretty good idea of the CO2 content of the time. There is a famous dinosaur bone bed on the N Slope of Alaska, along with a lot of fossil flora in coal seams. It was a temperate environment.

You have to ask the question of where was that deposit located during the Cretaceous. It turns out that it was closer to the pole than it is today.

There are several of these events that we know about. There is little question about the geology. Tons of work has been done on it.
dave729

Trad climber
Western America
Aug 31, 2013 - 08:28pm PT
The local news readers stupidly say Climate Change as often as possible these days. "Looks like Climate Change will keep the temps uncomfortably
comfortable this weekend folks! Its horrible giving us false hope that everything is ok!

or

Send us a photo from the climate disaster at your back yard Bar-B-Q."

or

"How climate change will make your morning commute longer."



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2259942/The-crazy-climate-change-obsession-thats-Met-Office-menace.html

Without fanfare — apparently in the desperate hope no one would notice —MET- finally conceded what other scientists have known for ages:
there is no evidence that ‘global warming’ is happening.

(Warmist)They’re panicking. All the predictions they’ve been making about man-made global warming these past 20 years have started to come crashing about their ears.’
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Aug 31, 2013 - 09:42pm PT
Thanks Base,for adding some real science and knowledge ,the drone of the little 3 is growing way old.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Aug 31, 2013 - 09:55pm PT
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-08-30/no-atlantic-hurricane-by-august-in-first-time-in-11-years.html
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Aug 31, 2013 - 10:43pm PT
Base you have offered up the same mesozoic hothouse event at least three times now. How, without being present before and during the event with the proper modern equipment, can you say that the CO2 increase preceded the warmth. Despite what the Oklahoma state university library geological textbooks say there are a lot of highly respected geologists that say the warmth preceded and caused the elevated CO2 levels. Now about the 0.8 watts per meter from the Earths core that is released globally, what happens to it, what effects does it have, and why are the ocean deeps universally 3-4 degrees centigrade all over the globe? If this constant radiation from the Earth's interior doesn't heat up the oceans depths how can atmospheric radiation sink and build up in the ocean depths? Trenberth's missing heat seems out of place under the rocks at minus thousands of feet below sea level.

Another question for you Base. Is all what we broadly classify as natural gas biogenic or is the thinking coming a bit back ( at least with gas) to the abiogenic theory that the Russians were the last to abandon?
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Aug 31, 2013 - 10:56pm PT
Chief doesn't understand how science works.

And you BASE know nothing of nor understand how common day reality works. The common man globally can not afford to live as you and the rest of the UTOPIAN NEO-MARXIST ALARMISTS here wish them to. Not one bit.

Solar and Wind are FAILING throughout Europe. The EU is trashing all ideas of Carbon Trading and Taxation. A bigass FAIL there. Nuclear... will let's go to Japan. Better yet, appears it will be here along the westcoast sometime in 2014.

You wanna-be and some what scientists here and throughout the globe continue to belittle us "skeptics" with your elitist SCIENTISM bullshet.

You are NO different than the Christian Zealots that ruled the world for some 600 or so years. They employed the exact same tactic as you and the rest here do. Only they knew the scriptures and only they could dictate what should be according to god. Anyone that questioned them or refused to follow their orders, off with their heads. Gotten rid of .

Sorry BASE. We aint taken it. And we, ARE THE CONSENSUS of the reality that will make things happen. Appears many gov'ts globally are seeing through the AGW bullshet as well.

Fuk your science.

Reality rules. It is the consensus. You lose.

Besides BASE, like the rest here, you have NO SOLUTIONS. Just excuses and bullshet justifications why we need to remain stuck in the problem in order to continue refining the data.

Yur science is failing. It isn't happening. Yur predictions of doom are not coming true. Thus you continue to cook up bullshet stories of weather hysteria and all the other crap that five years ago were not an issue.

Weather is NOT climate. Remember.

Here is an example of the bullshet manipulation. Pretty sad when the Co-Founder of Greenpeace states the AGW Alarmism is a political scam.


Everyone of the above "Skeptic" Climate Scientist was once a very active member of the IPCC. Everyone of em.


The AR5 will indeed confess that the warming has stalled the past 15 years. Yet the C02 is skyrocketing. If that is true, your C02 driving the warming theory no longer exists. Bullshet "scientific" reasons are now popping up to justify the stall. Amazing how not less than six months ago, not one peep of this stall was accepted by your community. All of a sudden, you are finding reasons to justify the stall. Amazing how quickly your science comes up with a reason. Not less than a month and pooooooooof. It is due to the Pacific "El Nino" Ocean cooling.


No hurricanes this season. Not a single one. Why? The Northern Atlantic waters are.... "atypically COOL."

WTF happened to all the rising STT's globally?

Riiiiiiiiiiiiight.

Dick Lindzen is NOT bought by Big Oil. Never has been. MIT would not allow him to remain one of their Senior Professors let alone on their staff, if he was. Neither are any of the other "skeptical" real Climate Scientists throughout the world that refuse to buy into this AGW bullshet hysteria.

Like it was stated in the above flick, if this entire scam was called out tomorrow, there would be a lot of people throughout the world, out of a job.

Chiloe being one of em.
BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
Sep 1, 2013 - 12:46am PT
Ahhh, The Chief...

I will never forget you trashing Doug Robinson over the route "Growing Up" on the S Face of HD. You were on a biblical rant.

Doug is a good friend of mine, and I will never forget the crap you were saying about him. A less pleasant person I have never read.

Don't you have a problem with college graduates as well? My old man used that good old GI Bill to go to college on and became a professor. I quess if you know algebra then you are a Marxist.

As for the Mesozoic event, it is the one with the most evidence remaining. As Pangea broke apart, there were several huge episodes of vulcanism, mainly due to the rifting, and examination of leaf fossils suggest, very strongly, that CO2 levels were from 4 to 8 times the amount of pre industrial revolution levels. There isn't even much debate in the industry about this. Yes, we have indeed seen a CO2 forced greenhouse event in the planet's past.

There was a period of global anoxic oceans that led to the carbon rich rocks which sourced the middle east oil fields. That was considered a local event, but recently it has been correlated to rocks on the other side of the world, and current thinking is that it was a global anoxic event caused by ocean acidification. Not a local one. You must realize that through history, the surface looked much different than today, due to wandering continents. All of that has been pretty well pieced together by now. I refer you to the work of Blakey for snapshots through time.

It's all there. Just do some reading. Start out by just reading the Wiki pages of the Permian through Cretaceous. I'm not going to try to pull an Ed and actually teach you anything. Teach yourselves.

Sedimentary rocks are of huge economic importance because of the fossil fuels that they contain. Zillions of research dollars have been spent by oil companies and universities. If there is any little thing concerning the rock record and the history of the Earth since the Cambrian, then it has been studied and is still being studied.

Correct me if I'm wrong, TC, but did you once post over on the religion thread and say that the Earth was young? Even though we see starlight from galaxies billions of light years away, which suggests that the universe is as least as old as that light has traveled, you apparently thought that God turned the lights on all at once? It has been a long time since I read that, but I think it was you. If not, apologies.

I'm a "neo-Marxist"? WTF is that? Have you ever created any wealth? One f*#king dime?

Have you ever created wealth? Any wealth? Have you put guys to work? Just from an idea or a little initiative? Who writes your paychecks? The Treasury? I WRITE checks to the treasury.

I always think it is pretty cool when a prospect of mine gets drilled. All of these people are involved, and everyone is making a living. Sure, I just do science, but people feed their kids off of it. Even if it is a dry hole, a lot of money gets spent.

It is pretty cool to light a gas well and shoot a flame up in the air through a flow line. You see this pipe going into the ground. Out of it comes a freaking Saturn Five engine. That roar and heat is pretty cool. Oil flowing into stock tanks is also exciting, but even a half assed gas well really gives you a sense of the power in the Earth. All you are doing is exposing a normally pressured zone to atmospheric pressure. Let it roar for about five minutes. That costs maybe ten bucks worth of natural gas. Natural gas is very cheap at the wellhead.

Back to the Jurassic and Cretaceous....Google up stomata density in Gingko leaves. There is some pretty interesting data on fossil Gingko leaves and modern leaves grown under different CO2 partial pressure.

I just tried it, and you can get started by typing in the following words into Google:

"Cretaceous Greenhouse"

"Middle East Source Rock"

Here is a little snippet about the Cretaceous climate:

http://www.igsb.uiowa.edu/Mapping/greenhse/grnhouse.htm

Here is a decent non technical discussion of how the Middle East oil fields were sourced:

http://www.geoexpro.com/article/Why_So_Much_Oil_in_the_Middle_East/58d94fc1.aspx

It only took a few seconds to find some reading. I haven't kept up on it so much over the last five years or so. I've spent all of that time working the Mississippian stratigraphy of the midcontinent. It gets kind of boring, so occasionally I'll take a few days and just go map someplace else for a vacation.
BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
Sep 1, 2013 - 12:53am PT
Chief,

You must realize that when you state that weather is not climate, and then only a few sentences below state the lack of a single hurricane this year as meaning something makes you look, well, stupid? At the least inconsistent.

Go ahead. Read it. You wrote it.
BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
Sep 1, 2013 - 12:59am PT
All natural gas is considered Biogenic. There are a few odd ducks who claim otherwise, but it isn't that complicated. Natural gas can be typed back to the same source rocks which produce oil. Coalbed methane is different.

I have never met anyone in the petroleum industry who claims that natural gas is abiogenic. Sure, there are some who claim otherwise, but if you looked over my shoulder for an afternoon, I could show you that no. It is biogenic. Almost all, anyway.

Nobody goes around drilling deep wells in igneous rocks anymore, if that tells you anything.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Sep 1, 2013 - 01:13am PT

There was a period of global anoxic oceans that led to the carbon rich rocks which sourced the middle east oil fields. That was considered a local event, but recently it has been correlated to rocks on the other side of the world, and current thinking is that it was a global anoxic event caused by ocean acidification. Not a local one. You must realize that through history, the surface looked much different than today, due to wandering continents. All of that has been pretty well pieced together by now. I refer you to the work of Blakey for snapshots through time.

You can believe this silly sh#t, but you can't believe the bible?
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Sep 1, 2013 - 01:52am PT
BASE:
You must realize that when you state that weather is not climate, and then only a few sentences below state the lack of a single hurricane this year as meaning something makes you look, well, stupid? At the least inconsistent.

Not my claim BASE.

It is your CLUB that insisted this for two decades. Then suddenly, when the many hysteria doom predictions failed to materialize of late, they now state the reverse. Weather is Climate.

Cooking up the completely false rhetoric by stating that the latest global weather events are more intense and greater in frequency etc. When in fact, they are not. Many are actually fewer and far between etc. Then correlating these supposed events to AGW.

Again, pretty amazing how not more than six weeks ago, NOT ONE of your IPCCers nor CONSENSUS SCIENTIST acknowledged that the warming has in fact stalled. Now that the AR5 was leaked, the mad rush to justify came to play. Suddenly outta the blue in the last ten days, after the EU is demanding answers from the IPCC regarding the lack of knowing why this is occurring, this data of "El Nino" cooling the Pacific materializes. All the while generating mass graphs that the STT's are and have been on a constant rise. Funny thing how the NOAA predicted this year to be an ABOVE NORMAL & MORE INTENSE HURRICANE season and not one has been had. Nor are there any on the horizon. WHY?? As of last weeks NOAA reason, the North Atlantic is atypically COOL this season. Again, all the while the rhetoric of the consistent rising STT's prevails.

SO, the STT's are consistently rising. BUT, both the Atlantic and Pacific are recently COOLING thus causing the predictions hysteria of weather events and higher temps to not materialize. All the while the C02 count is at record historic levels.

DUDE's, come on. Cease the bullshet.

I and the millions of others may not be experts at YOUR science. But many of us can see through YOUR elitist science bullshet.

BASE:
Doug is a good friend of mine, and I will never forget the crap you were saying about him

Really. Crap?

Up until some five or six years ago Doug detested everything and anything to do with BOLTING. Remember???? He preached clean for over four decades. Now that over 90% of the modern climbing world condones the BOLTS, he turned his back on his staunch defense of CLEAN!!!! Pgs 12-25 of the 72' GPIW/Chouinard Catalog... remember??

"Clean & Organic Man...."

BTW, I see and speak with Doug quite often these days. Matter of fact, we had a nice chat about guiding and local events etc etc etc just the day before yesterday just outside the office here in Bishop. I even offered to drum up some PVT guiding business for him when he moves over here permanently in the next month or so.

So please, get off the pitty shet pot regarding that issue. He was way hypocritical in his behavior on the SF of 1/2 Dome. At least he was not singing the tune he did for over 40 years and turned his back on it in doing that route with Sean.

BASE:
Don't you have a problem with college graduates as well?

I am one. BS in Cultural Geo. With the help of the GI Bill. After I retired from the Navy. Doing so is where I got my disdain for them. College graduates that is.

So that must make me as you and the others claim... "Stupid".

BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Sep 1, 2013 - 02:41am PT
I think it's pretty comical of BASES staunch stance against the burning of fossil fuels that are eroding earths atmosphere. When he is SOO closely tied to the root of the problem. Literally he digs into the ground solving problems for the Big Oil derelicts in the advancement of greed. Can I say hypocrite?
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Sep 1, 2013 - 03:39am PT
You can call him a hypocrite but i think level headed and respected would be more accurate...?
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Sep 1, 2013 - 07:00am PT
http://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus

A reminder Chef/Dick,of REAL science.
Not your 3%'s version.


From a marxist,socialist,college educated,self employed,never took a penny from the gov.,TAXPAYER.
FörtMental

Social climber
Albuquerque
Sep 1, 2013 - 07:05am PT


Chief... you seriously need an intellectual enema: a pound of C-4 oughta do it. I'll even help.
FörtMental

Social climber
Albuquerque
Sep 1, 2013 - 07:07am PT
The common man globally can not afford to live as you and the rest of the UTOPIAN NEO-MARXIST ALARMISTS here wish them to

Chief Tie-Nee-Nutz: The common man already IS, are you really that stupid? It's the world's most developed nations that are most of the problem in investing in industrializing developing countries like China and India and pushing them into a consuming, urbanized, American middle-class lifestyle. If it weren't for us sending our industry overseas and us consuming the crap made there, there wouldn't be this runaway need to produce, consume, and profit. Not to mention the a55holes YOU help elect that prohibit family planning in other countries. Yes, I hold YOU directly responsible for facilitating that.

shitheads like you are the problem. Got that?

The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Sep 1, 2013 - 09:44am PT
FRONTALOBOTOME:
Chief,

-The common man already IS, are you really that stupid?


 It's the world's most developed nations that are most of the problem in investing in industrializing developing countries like China and India and pushing them into a consuming, urbanized, American middle-class lifestyle. If it weren't for us sending our industry overseas and us consuming the crap made there, there wouldn't be this runaway need to produce, consume, and profit.

 Not to mention the a55holes YOU help elect

 ... that prohibit family planning in other countries. Yes, I hold YOU directly responsible for facilitating that.




1. AH, the common man already is what FRONTAL???? Spit it out.

2. You live where and how and drive a what??? A FF burning HONDA that 1/2 or more of the parts are made where??? How much of Black Diamond and the rest of any American supposedly made climbing gear you own and use??? How about that shirt you are wearing. And that computer/key board that you are frothing all over while typing this totally hypocritical Neo-Marxist horseshet fairy tale supporting malarchy. Hypocrite.

3. I voted for this dude, twice.... .

4. Now you insist the U.S. enforce family planning in other countries??? Kinda like Hiltler, Stalin and Mao eh? Following that NEO-MARXIST philosophy. Got it.


And you have the audacity to call me "stupid"? Nice Frontalobotome. Nice.

Now what was that about an intellectual enema. I suggest you follow Lockers advice and get that big purple vibrating thingy monster outta that eye of yours.


BLUEBLOCR:
I think it's pretty comical of BASES staunch stance against the burning of fossil fuels that are eroding earths atmosphere. When he is SOO closely tied to the root of the problem. Literally he digs into the ground solving problems for the Big Oil derelicts in the advancement of greed. Can I say hypocrite?

BIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINGO!




BTW FRONTALOBOTOME, if we were revert back to and live the "lifestyle" you suggest we all do, we would all be doing so in this fashion. You would be the FIRST TO FAIL and die! Cus you are one spoiled ass liberal whiner that would freak if he didn't have any shet paper to wipe his mouth, I mean ass after they left a shet.



It all starts with your home front FRONTALOBOTOME. But as usual, you join the tribe and scream the hysteria but continue to live the lifestyle you claim is the problem. Got it.

Fking HYPOCRITES. The entire lot of you.


edit;

Oh yeah, 23 y/o's in leather??

Not!


This incredible dude is 41 and has been competing in the IOMTT for over 22 straight years

This amazingly dedicated dude is 31 and has over 12 years of continuous participation at the IOMTT

They all btw are part of the CONSENSUS COMMON MAN that think the AGW hysteria story is a total waste of human intellect. They ALL have better things to do with their lives. Like going RACING and burning FF in their incredible machines.
Chewybacca

Trad climber
Montana, Whitefish
Sep 1, 2013 - 10:35am PT
Good comment Base, nice to see you posting here again.

You failed though. You unintentionally pulled an Ed and taught me something.;^)
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