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dirtbag

climber
Aug 31, 2013 - 04:48pm PT
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The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Aug 31, 2013 - 04:54pm PT
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Mad69Dog

Mountain climber
Superior, CO
Aug 31, 2013 - 05:11pm PT
Chief, please tell me that beast does not make you think impure thoughts.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Aug 31, 2013 - 05:39pm PT
Omg MD ok ok I am mortally sorry for being so frightfully insensitive to your paedophillia concerns. I assure you that my entire intent was one of inept and misplaced humor and not one of oblique insinuation. I assure you if I really wanted to indicate that you are known for diddling young children I would have stated it in no uncertain terms rather than fudge around with references to your alleged other forum presence, which I feel compelled to state that I have no way ( or wish) to corroborate.

I will now recuse myself to a dark corner and flog myself with a wet noodle




Will you now bring back your shovels and truck back to the sand box?
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Aug 31, 2013 - 05:49pm PT
Just one thing..... I can't help noticing you don't have an issue with the part about selling penny stocks to Nigerian gold mining ventures....

Is that part true?
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Aug 31, 2013 - 05:52pm PT
http://www.thepiratescove.us/2013/08/31/if-all-you-see-877/
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Aug 31, 2013 - 06:36pm PT
Btw MD I think in all the confusing assault on your integrity, alleged credentials, sexual predilections ( mistaken we now assume) and your choice of friends, I would like to point out that in fact I have never called you a liar and once again I have made no specific claims of science that you state. I don't know how many times I have to say it but here it is again: I am not a scientist of any kind and it is beyond my capability to judge on those terms.

My whole premise rests on the credibility of the institutional consensus, which is why I keep badgering you to provide something compelling for me to doubt it. Sadly, it turns out you can provide nothing more than your hill bily friends, like Werner.

Now I have my own theories as to what compels Werner and others to vent so predictably and I'd love to test them out, but as you can see there are some subjects that are treated like the aids virus, no matter how relevant to the subject. If the credibility of the consensus science cannot be challenged by proof, evidence, reason, of malfeasance or the peer review process of the science then there must be another way that people are condemning it by.

What other processes would there be?
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Aug 31, 2013 - 06:53pm PT
Chief Stands-with-Wood spends his time looking at gunts, small penises, and young dudes in leather. As for "thoughts", he has none.

Ah, Frontalobotme, I am not the one that goes around the internet and alters photos of men to make them look like the sex pain one is secretly desiring. i.e. the one you posted of Congress dude Boner.

You do.

Your post speaks for itself. Frontal.

MD:

Nope. Could not afford the amount of food that DIRTBAG ingests on a daily basis.
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Aug 31, 2013 - 07:48pm PT
The EXCUSES are coming to light.

Nice:

1. A Cooler Pacific May Be Behind Recent Pause In Global Warming
http://www.npr.org/2013/08/29/216415005/a-cooler-pacific-may-be-behind-recent-pause-in-global-warming

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/28/pacific-ocean-temperatures_n_3832273.html

* WAIT A MINUTE, Chiloe/MONO etal state the STT's Globally are on a steady rise??

2.Global Warming Slowdown Data Sought in UN Climate Report
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-08-29/global-warming-slowdown-data-sought-in-un-climate-report.html

*The IPPC has NO ANSWER and the MODELS DID NOT INDICATE IT. The EU wants answers.

FörtMental

Social climber
Albuquerque
Aug 31, 2013 - 08:07pm PT
Meanwhile....

Rapid, climate-driven changes in outlet glaciers on the Pacific coast of East Antarctica


Chief Sticks-for-Brains, do you understand what a "rate of change" means? Do you understand that if you go uphill at a %7 grade and then it changes to %5, that you're still going UP the FUKKING HILL?
BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
Aug 31, 2013 - 08:14pm PT
Chief doesn't understand how science works.

He is incapable of considering, without emotion, a science question.

All I see are things that he picks out to reinforce a position that he took based on politics rather than evidence.

You can't do that with science. You will step on your dick.

TC, go read up on the Mesozoic hothouse event. It was CO2 forced, and we have a pretty good idea of the CO2 content of the time. There is a famous dinosaur bone bed on the N Slope of Alaska, along with a lot of fossil flora in coal seams. It was a temperate environment.

You have to ask the question of where was that deposit located during the Cretaceous. It turns out that it was closer to the pole than it is today.

There are several of these events that we know about. There is little question about the geology. Tons of work has been done on it.
dave729

Trad climber
Western America
Aug 31, 2013 - 08:28pm PT
The local news readers stupidly say Climate Change as often as possible these days. "Looks like Climate Change will keep the temps uncomfortably
comfortable this weekend folks! Its horrible giving us false hope that everything is ok!

or

Send us a photo from the climate disaster at your back yard Bar-B-Q."

or

"How climate change will make your morning commute longer."



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2259942/The-crazy-climate-change-obsession-thats-Met-Office-menace.html

Without fanfare — apparently in the desperate hope no one would notice —MET- finally conceded what other scientists have known for ages:
there is no evidence that ‘global warming’ is happening.

(Warmist)They’re panicking. All the predictions they’ve been making about man-made global warming these past 20 years have started to come crashing about their ears.’
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Aug 31, 2013 - 09:42pm PT
Thanks Base,for adding some real science and knowledge ,the drone of the little 3 is growing way old.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Aug 31, 2013 - 09:55pm PT
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-08-30/no-atlantic-hurricane-by-august-in-first-time-in-11-years.html
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Aug 31, 2013 - 10:43pm PT
Base you have offered up the same mesozoic hothouse event at least three times now. How, without being present before and during the event with the proper modern equipment, can you say that the CO2 increase preceded the warmth. Despite what the Oklahoma state university library geological textbooks say there are a lot of highly respected geologists that say the warmth preceded and caused the elevated CO2 levels. Now about the 0.8 watts per meter from the Earths core that is released globally, what happens to it, what effects does it have, and why are the ocean deeps universally 3-4 degrees centigrade all over the globe? If this constant radiation from the Earth's interior doesn't heat up the oceans depths how can atmospheric radiation sink and build up in the ocean depths? Trenberth's missing heat seems out of place under the rocks at minus thousands of feet below sea level.

Another question for you Base. Is all what we broadly classify as natural gas biogenic or is the thinking coming a bit back ( at least with gas) to the abiogenic theory that the Russians were the last to abandon?
The Chief

climber
From the Land of the Mongols
Aug 31, 2013 - 10:56pm PT
Chief doesn't understand how science works.

And you BASE know nothing of nor understand how common day reality works. The common man globally can not afford to live as you and the rest of the UTOPIAN NEO-MARXIST ALARMISTS here wish them to. Not one bit.

Solar and Wind are FAILING throughout Europe. The EU is trashing all ideas of Carbon Trading and Taxation. A bigass FAIL there. Nuclear... will let's go to Japan. Better yet, appears it will be here along the westcoast sometime in 2014.

You wanna-be and some what scientists here and throughout the globe continue to belittle us "skeptics" with your elitist SCIENTISM bullshet.

You are NO different than the Christian Zealots that ruled the world for some 600 or so years. They employed the exact same tactic as you and the rest here do. Only they knew the scriptures and only they could dictate what should be according to god. Anyone that questioned them or refused to follow their orders, off with their heads. Gotten rid of .

Sorry BASE. We aint taken it. And we, ARE THE CONSENSUS of the reality that will make things happen. Appears many gov'ts globally are seeing through the AGW bullshet as well.

Fuk your science.

Reality rules. It is the consensus. You lose.

Besides BASE, like the rest here, you have NO SOLUTIONS. Just excuses and bullshet justifications why we need to remain stuck in the problem in order to continue refining the data.

Yur science is failing. It isn't happening. Yur predictions of doom are not coming true. Thus you continue to cook up bullshet stories of weather hysteria and all the other crap that five years ago were not an issue.

Weather is NOT climate. Remember.

Here is an example of the bullshet manipulation. Pretty sad when the Co-Founder of Greenpeace states the AGW Alarmism is a political scam.


Everyone of the above "Skeptic" Climate Scientist was once a very active member of the IPCC. Everyone of em.


The AR5 will indeed confess that the warming has stalled the past 15 years. Yet the C02 is skyrocketing. If that is true, your C02 driving the warming theory no longer exists. Bullshet "scientific" reasons are now popping up to justify the stall. Amazing how not less than six months ago, not one peep of this stall was accepted by your community. All of a sudden, you are finding reasons to justify the stall. Amazing how quickly your science comes up with a reason. Not less than a month and pooooooooof. It is due to the Pacific "El Nino" Ocean cooling.


No hurricanes this season. Not a single one. Why? The Northern Atlantic waters are.... "atypically COOL."

WTF happened to all the rising STT's globally?

Riiiiiiiiiiiiight.

Dick Lindzen is NOT bought by Big Oil. Never has been. MIT would not allow him to remain one of their Senior Professors let alone on their staff, if he was. Neither are any of the other "skeptical" real Climate Scientists throughout the world that refuse to buy into this AGW bullshet hysteria.

Like it was stated in the above flick, if this entire scam was called out tomorrow, there would be a lot of people throughout the world, out of a job.

Chiloe being one of em.
BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
Sep 1, 2013 - 12:46am PT
Ahhh, The Chief...

I will never forget you trashing Doug Robinson over the route "Growing Up" on the S Face of HD. You were on a biblical rant.

Doug is a good friend of mine, and I will never forget the crap you were saying about him. A less pleasant person I have never read.

Don't you have a problem with college graduates as well? My old man used that good old GI Bill to go to college on and became a professor. I quess if you know algebra then you are a Marxist.

As for the Mesozoic event, it is the one with the most evidence remaining. As Pangea broke apart, there were several huge episodes of vulcanism, mainly due to the rifting, and examination of leaf fossils suggest, very strongly, that CO2 levels were from 4 to 8 times the amount of pre industrial revolution levels. There isn't even much debate in the industry about this. Yes, we have indeed seen a CO2 forced greenhouse event in the planet's past.

There was a period of global anoxic oceans that led to the carbon rich rocks which sourced the middle east oil fields. That was considered a local event, but recently it has been correlated to rocks on the other side of the world, and current thinking is that it was a global anoxic event caused by ocean acidification. Not a local one. You must realize that through history, the surface looked much different than today, due to wandering continents. All of that has been pretty well pieced together by now. I refer you to the work of Blakey for snapshots through time.

It's all there. Just do some reading. Start out by just reading the Wiki pages of the Permian through Cretaceous. I'm not going to try to pull an Ed and actually teach you anything. Teach yourselves.

Sedimentary rocks are of huge economic importance because of the fossil fuels that they contain. Zillions of research dollars have been spent by oil companies and universities. If there is any little thing concerning the rock record and the history of the Earth since the Cambrian, then it has been studied and is still being studied.

Correct me if I'm wrong, TC, but did you once post over on the religion thread and say that the Earth was young? Even though we see starlight from galaxies billions of light years away, which suggests that the universe is as least as old as that light has traveled, you apparently thought that God turned the lights on all at once? It has been a long time since I read that, but I think it was you. If not, apologies.

I'm a "neo-Marxist"? WTF is that? Have you ever created any wealth? One f*#king dime?

Have you ever created wealth? Any wealth? Have you put guys to work? Just from an idea or a little initiative? Who writes your paychecks? The Treasury? I WRITE checks to the treasury.

I always think it is pretty cool when a prospect of mine gets drilled. All of these people are involved, and everyone is making a living. Sure, I just do science, but people feed their kids off of it. Even if it is a dry hole, a lot of money gets spent.

It is pretty cool to light a gas well and shoot a flame up in the air through a flow line. You see this pipe going into the ground. Out of it comes a freaking Saturn Five engine. That roar and heat is pretty cool. Oil flowing into stock tanks is also exciting, but even a half assed gas well really gives you a sense of the power in the Earth. All you are doing is exposing a normally pressured zone to atmospheric pressure. Let it roar for about five minutes. That costs maybe ten bucks worth of natural gas. Natural gas is very cheap at the wellhead.

Back to the Jurassic and Cretaceous....Google up stomata density in Gingko leaves. There is some pretty interesting data on fossil Gingko leaves and modern leaves grown under different CO2 partial pressure.

I just tried it, and you can get started by typing in the following words into Google:

"Cretaceous Greenhouse"

"Middle East Source Rock"

Here is a little snippet about the Cretaceous climate:

http://www.igsb.uiowa.edu/Mapping/greenhse/grnhouse.htm

Here is a decent non technical discussion of how the Middle East oil fields were sourced:

http://www.geoexpro.com/article/Why_So_Much_Oil_in_the_Middle_East/58d94fc1.aspx

It only took a few seconds to find some reading. I haven't kept up on it so much over the last five years or so. I've spent all of that time working the Mississippian stratigraphy of the midcontinent. It gets kind of boring, so occasionally I'll take a few days and just go map someplace else for a vacation.
BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
Sep 1, 2013 - 12:53am PT
Chief,

You must realize that when you state that weather is not climate, and then only a few sentences below state the lack of a single hurricane this year as meaning something makes you look, well, stupid? At the least inconsistent.

Go ahead. Read it. You wrote it.
BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
Sep 1, 2013 - 12:59am PT
All natural gas is considered Biogenic. There are a few odd ducks who claim otherwise, but it isn't that complicated. Natural gas can be typed back to the same source rocks which produce oil. Coalbed methane is different.

I have never met anyone in the petroleum industry who claims that natural gas is abiogenic. Sure, there are some who claim otherwise, but if you looked over my shoulder for an afternoon, I could show you that no. It is biogenic. Almost all, anyway.

Nobody goes around drilling deep wells in igneous rocks anymore, if that tells you anything.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Sep 1, 2013 - 01:13am PT

There was a period of global anoxic oceans that led to the carbon rich rocks which sourced the middle east oil fields. That was considered a local event, but recently it has been correlated to rocks on the other side of the world, and current thinking is that it was a global anoxic event caused by ocean acidification. Not a local one. You must realize that through history, the surface looked much different than today, due to wandering continents. All of that has been pretty well pieced together by now. I refer you to the work of Blakey for snapshots through time.

You can believe this silly sh#t, but you can't believe the bible?
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