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wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Dec 9, 2013 - 06:42pm PT
GD COMMIE Corporations,or are they people?


http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/05/business/energy-environment/large-companies-prepared-to-pay-price-on-carbon.html?ref=international-home&_r=4&

wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Dec 9, 2013 - 07:40pm PT
www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/175720-zen-and-the-art-of-motorcycle-maintenance





WOW.Hell ,you should never smoke dope.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Dec 9, 2013 - 08:39pm PT
Likewise.
FRUMY

Trad climber
Bishop,CA
Dec 9, 2013 - 08:45pm PT
That pig is over 40 years old & better than any harley ever made.
Credit: FRUMY
my bar scooter.
Back in the 1970 I use to make harley cranks out of M4 Nitro I know a little about em.
Do you know who C. R. Axtell was?
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Dec 9, 2013 - 10:00pm PT
http://www.thepiratescove.us/2013/12/09/if-all-you-see-975/
crunch

Social climber
CO
Dec 9, 2013 - 10:03pm PT
...learning how to do science is just like learning how to fix your own motorcycle...

True, that.

The simplicity of a motorcycle is part of the charm. You can stare at the beast and work out exactly how and where the gasoline gets mixed up with air, compressed, then forced into controlled explosions that drives the pistons that in turn drives the chain that turns the wheels.

Everything is supremely efficient and invitingly accessible.

The same curiosity that drives an understanding of how it all works--and learning how changing/adjusting any one thing might make the motorcycle go faster is just the same as the curiosity and methodology that drives scientists to keep plugging away, trying this, trying that, making their models better, bit by bit, year by year.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Dec 9, 2013 - 10:28pm PT
That is three years straight that temps have surpassed the previous record of -128.6.

But then that is all just weather....

true, chief

just like individual heat records set over much of the world are just local weather


but that is not the point here, right?

this thread is not about weather, or motorcycles, it is about climate change

our earth IS getting warmer over the past decades, no one disputes that fact

how much weight or attention should be given to that fact is where there is disagreement
FRUMY

Trad climber
Bishop,CA
Dec 9, 2013 - 10:39pm PT
There should be no controlled explosions in a combustion chamber - there are controlled burns.

Axtell - developed modern air flow technology.

He also knew more about chassis than any chassis man I've ever know.

I saw almost ever major racer of the 60's & 70's come though is shop & those of us that built fast powerful motors learned more from Ax than everyone else put together.




rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Dec 9, 2013 - 10:51pm PT
It was warming Norton. From the mid 70's to approx. 1999, and as a result of a peak of solar activity as high as any in the last 6000 years coupled with positive phases of the PDO and AMO, Sea surfaces and Land surfaces, almost over the entire globe, warmed nearly as high as the Medieval Warm period. That climate is over, global average Sea and land surfaces have been flat to cooling since then. We are in a phase transition to a much cooler globe. The drivers are low Solar activity coupled with negative phase of the PDO and a weakening of the positive phase of the AMO. CO2 acts only as a feedback, increasing as temps rise decreasing as they fall. Human contribution to atmospheric CO2 is only 3%, the total ppm is only 400 ppm. In earlier epochs, under solar output similar to today's CO2 has risen as high as 8000 ppm without a runaway greenhouse effect. 400 ppm is still a trace amount, it's effect as a feedback feeble compared to the changes in the climate drivers we will witness over the next century.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Dec 9, 2013 - 10:52pm PT
Credit: monolith

I know, not fair to count the whole planet.
FRUMY

Trad climber
Bishop,CA
Dec 9, 2013 - 11:00pm PT
I love Don Tilly, but he nor anyone took over after Ax.

Ax was no mechanic he was an innovator & developer. We all stand taller because of him. There are no engine builders of any type that he did not help. He developed airflow for everyone twins, V8 nascar engines & drag engines.
FRUMY

Trad climber
Bishop,CA
Dec 10, 2013 - 12:10am PT
Not in the same league.

Every type of engine was improved because of Ax on every level.

By the way 150 mph would have be nice for a stock bike in 1970.

600cc bikes do that now days.

In moto gp two years ago 800cc normal aspirated bikes where producing 240 bhp.

No reason for more than 3/4 of a liter on the street.

If you can't get 175 out of 3/4 liter you aren't trying.
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Dec 10, 2013 - 12:47am PT
At the American Geophysical Union (AGU) meetings in San Francisco this week, a science-immersion experience. More than 20,000 geoscientists all in one place, excited to show and talk about what they've found. I started to write a paragraph summing up first-day impressions, but John Mashey said something better.
Anyone interested at all in this topic should try to attend AGU at least once. San Francisco is a nice place to visit and AGU takes over Moscone for a conference that can be overpowering, but offers a massive smorgasboard of stimulation.

Every day, they fill the main hall in Moscone South with thousands of posters, 2 rounds/day. Although it doesn’t make headlines, one of the most fun things to do is to walk the posters and talk to people. Posters are often staffed by grad students or post-docs eager to explain what they’ve been doing to anyone who listens … and I always find their enthusiasm inspiring.

Doing this might be an instructive experience for those that think people do this only for the money train of lavish research grants that provide cushy lifestyles. :-)
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Dec 10, 2013 - 09:34am PT
Good luck larry! May you find fortune pushing your particular brand of snow making machine in the warming world of S.F. Can you please talk to Anthony Watts while your there.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 10, 2013 - 10:05am PT
Don't EVEN tell me this aint no expanding Industry!


Indeed it is. And a good thing too.



You say we are brainwashed because we listen to a collective of international scientists who tell us things that you don't want to hear.


You say it's a big conspiracy.




Meanwhile, you tout the party line that FAUX New outlets feed you, because it sounds good to you.




You say "Hey, the death of the planet is inevitable. Sit back and enjoy the ride."






Perhaps I can put this in terms you can understand, The Chief:






You ride motorcycles, love 'em. You straddle that thing and pump up the throttle. Free as a bird, go as you will, ain't nobody gonna stop you.


Everything is fine, you're out on a back-country road, no cops, no regulations. You find an open stretch, and gun it up. 55, 70, 95, 110.

You're flying along at a rate that can kill you, pretty darn fast too. You come up to a bend in the road, but if you continue at your speed, you're gonna flip that bird faster than you can fart.


What do you do? Do you gun it and take it like a man, adapt to the changes? You're gonna die anyway, why worry about it now?


Or do you put on the breaks so you can take the turn??




My bet is your pussy ass is gonna apply the breaks, because you want to live to see another day. You know, extend your life.


The bike is a man-made object. You can throttle it up and go fast real fast. And if you drive it recklessly, you're gonna kill yourself using it. But, by monitoring how you use it and applying the breaks at the right time, it will get you to your favorite crag and can climb another day.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Dec 10, 2013 - 10:10am PT
Credit: monolith
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Dec 10, 2013 - 10:20am PT
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monolith

climber
SF bay area
Dec 10, 2013 - 10:34am PT
Credit: monolith
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Dec 10, 2013 - 10:54am PT
Credit: http://www.nodc.noaa.gov/OC5/3M_HEAT_CONTENT/heat_content2000m.png
dirtbag

climber
Dec 10, 2013 - 12:37pm PT
Chief, here's a suggestion. You can't do much about your lack of brain power (neither can scooch, for that matter), nor can you do much about your dwarfism. But you can do something about your moobs. Why don't you work on that instead of arguing with the big boys about science?
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