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wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Oct 25, 2013 - 10:26am PT
Rick,Please read the first sentence of Ed's link.
http://www.sci-news.com/othersciences/paleoclimatology/science-arctic-past-century-warmest-01491.html
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Oct 25, 2013 - 10:41am PT
Read it and everything I could find last night Wilbeer. Doesn't tell us diddly about the range or method of sampling. I'd like to see a listing of the datings on all samples and how they determined these excavated samples had not seen the light of day for 44,000 years. Now let's talk about you and your ideas of what this future utopia you imagine is going to look like. Give us a quick synopsis of 2040, assuming we are in an age of carbon free energy and the society has been fundamentally reconfigured.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Oct 25, 2013 - 10:48am PT
The moss was within 1 meter of the ice, Sumner. The ice is receding at 2 to 3 meters a year.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Oct 25, 2013 - 10:49am PT
^^^^^^


you LIE !!!
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Oct 25, 2013 - 10:53am PT
Relax, Norton.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Oct 25, 2013 - 10:55am PT
Let's see the paper and supporting data, not press releases or interviews, before we throw around accusations of lying Norton.





Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Oct 25, 2013 - 11:09am PT
so they admit their findings could be faulty as to the cooling 5000 to 100 yrs back,, and use that logic to say the warming predictions probably are faulty as well ( as in more than "models" predicted)..


Translation,, our models never work-- so we just sling out those numbers anyhow, especially when they taylor to the AGW side.. 10-4..
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Oct 25, 2013 - 11:16am PT
Dang, Anderson, Pay attention. It's well known that global temps during the Holocene have been cooling for thousands of years.

http://www.motherjones.com/blue-marble/2013/03/new-hockey-stick-graph-...
http://www.motherjones.com/blue-marble/2013/03/new-hockey-stick-graph-scarier
Credit: monolith
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 25, 2013 - 11:22am PT
Arctic ice had in increase of 60% Wilbeeer.


60% of what, Macky? Temperature, mass, CO2, duck poop?

If it's just surface area recovered from the dismal low point just measured, a 60% recovery doesn't sound very good.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Oct 25, 2013 - 11:24am PT
I've mentioned that before. They just don't understand small numbers and can't even do the math to come up with 60%.

Here's the data. Lets see if any of them can do the math.

http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/seaice/extent/plot_v2.csv
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Oct 25, 2013 - 11:29am PT
well the last dire doom and gloom predictions said the arctic would b nothing but sand sun and beaches this year.. THIS YEAR.

Now they have rolled it forward to 2040.. Yet more out of their hineys guesstimates from models they FULLY ADMIT dont work..
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Oct 25, 2013 - 11:31am PT
They?

Yes Anderson. All predictions are run through the same committee before being released.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 25, 2013 - 11:31am PT
I'd like to see a listing of the datings on all samples and how they determined these excavated samples had not seen the light of day for 44,000 years.


Rick, if you actually saw this data, would you rethink your stance?
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Oct 25, 2013 - 11:32am PT
monolith, allow me to fix your graph.

not sure why you insist on using anything greater than n=2.

after all all those extra data points do is tell the real story and we can't have that MSU to fit what you believe

Credit: nature
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Oct 25, 2013 - 11:36am PT
i give that graph a low 65.. Lousy color,, no cool lines.. fairly flat by monograph standards.. But i will concede one fact: that GRAPH making has made leaps and bounds in its own technology!
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Oct 25, 2013 - 11:46am PT
ante up your criteria, rick! it's actually what scientists do, and whatever the answer, it's what we go with...

That's a tough pill for this clown car to swallow
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 25, 2013 - 11:52am PT
About The Chief. I mean, this guy has to be the biggest troll since the infamous Juan De Fuca, whose baits were historic. Let me explain... I understand deniers who parrot the spew they hear on selected media outlets. Heck, that's all they know, and they believe they're right because they hear it from the only people they can trust. But with The Chief, here's a guy who has debated with high-leveled scientists on the subject, and they've proven him wrong at every intersection. He's tried every angle, spending years locked in a saber match, and he continually looses every battle. Now, he's show that he cannot understand the most basic graph, completely lost on the concept of averages. I mean, who can possibly be this dense? My conclusion is that he must be a paid troll; not working for the Navy this time, but instead some right-wing whacko think-tank group intent on spreading misinformation. I know it sounds like looney conspiracy stuff, but I honestly can't come up with another solution that makes any sense. I don't know, perhaps if I were as naive as Forrest Gump, I'd be pretty pissed off too.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Oct 25, 2013 - 11:56am PT
Yes Ed i read that, which tells me those models DONT WORK either way eh..Which ALSO indicates a failure at building models to start with. Models as you well know can me made to reflect anything- as they have been thus far and failing when it comes to matching reality.


nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Oct 25, 2013 - 11:57am PT
It's like watching a clown car.

Chuff is driving.

Rong is in the back trying to pass out beers and drinking whiskey - completely clueless as to where they are headed.

Sketch is next to Rong telling jokes.

Rick is in the passenger seat with the map giving directions.

Every once and a while they pick up a hitch hiker who sits bitch.

Problem is Chuff took too many of rongs beers and is hammered, Sketch is telling bad jokes and nobody is listening and Rick is holding the map upside down. Instead of driving away from the cliff they are headed towards it.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Oct 25, 2013 - 11:58am PT
awwwman,, you dont even know how to COOK fish!
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