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Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
Nov 30, 2013 - 02:34pm PT
Chaos is why weather predictions only go out to a week.
Until we have zettaflop computers.
raymond phule

climber
Nov 30, 2013 - 03:16pm PT

Chaos figured prominently in early climate science:
http://www.aip.org/history/climate/chaos.htm
Seems rather magically to have disappeared from the present.

I am currently reading the article. It is interesting.

It is important to note though, that terminology like chaos, stability etc have strict mathematical definitions that not always are the same or very similar to the everyday use of those words.
raw

Mountain climber
Malibu
Nov 30, 2013 - 08:27pm PT
Agreed. I was a bit surprised to find that the orbits of our solar system are chaotic, at time scales much beyond our observations. I thought celestial mechanics the height of predictability. (Some time ago I guess I'd heard the 3-body problem called "insoluble".)
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
U.N. Ambassador, Crackistan
Nov 30, 2013 - 10:17pm PT
Turbulence is chaotic and fairly well understood, I think.

Turbulence in the weather, and turbulence in the climate are a given; predicting them, perhaps a ways off.

DMT
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Dec 1, 2013 - 11:01pm PT
You shouldn't try to grasp Bruce, the realities will be forever beyond you. This isn't because of lack of intelligence, deficit of mathematics, or not having years of training. The reason you'll never be able to grasp the reality of climate science is because you cower behind an ideology, deferring your own thought processes to the interpretation of the "Climatism Scientists/Priests". This is to spare yourself the naked reality of this sham with the resultant upending to your narrow minded, apocalyptic,delusional worldview.You are quite different from Ed who, i believe, is well aware of the failings of the overuse of anthro driven CO2 emissions as the overwhelming agent of the recent historically typical climate change, and fears full exposure of the truth because of the taint, disrepute, and reduction of funding to science, including possibly his own discipline, that he has spent the majority of his life practicing.
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Dec 1, 2013 - 11:24pm PT
The reason you'll never be able to grasp the reality of climate science is because you cower behind an ideology, deferring your own thought processes to the interpretation of the "Climatism Scientists/Priests".

here's some on topic priestly/sciencey hocus pocus

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/evolved-primate/201006/when-ignorance-begets-confidence-the-classic-dunning-kruger-effect
raymond phule

climber
Dec 2, 2013 - 01:28am PT

You shouldn't try to grasp Bruce, the realities will be forever beyond you. This isn't because of lack of intelligence, deficit of mathematics, or not having years of training. The reason you'll never be able to grasp the reality of science is because you cower behind an ideology, deferring your own thought processes to the interpretation of the "Climatism Scientists/Priests". This is to spare yourself the naked reality of this sham with the resultant upending to your narrow minded, apocalyptic,delusional worldview.You are quite different from Ed who, i believe, is well aware of the failings of the overuse of anthro driven CO2 emissions as the overwhelming agent of the recent historically typical climate change, and fears full exposure of the truth because of the taint, disrepute, and reduction of funding to science, including possibly his own discipline, that he has spent the majority of his life practicing.

Haha, the irony!

bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Dec 2, 2013 - 12:38pm PT
wonderful scientists, always eager to reach CONSENSUS:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2415191/And-global-COOLING-Return-Arctic-ice-cap-grows-29-year.html#ixzz2mKA1Yk91

http://usfinancepost.com/scientists-increasingly-moving-to-global-cooling-consensus-9198.html


ok, is the debate over, now? no, i mean really over, like over over?
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 2, 2013 - 01:36pm PT
Water water everywhere, but not a drop to drink.


The region accounts for five percent of the world’s more than seven billion people, and 10 percent of its area, but accounts for less than one percent of global water resources.

Its share of annual renewable water resources is also less than one percent, and it receives only 2.1 percent of average annual global precipitation.

Over 87 percent of the region’s terrain is desert and 14 of the world’s 20 most water-stressed countries are in this region, the study notes.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 2, 2013 - 02:24pm PT
It's gonna get hot, dry and totally out of control.


The Chief, your reading comprehension really is that of a third-grader, isn't it?
dirtbag

climber
Dec 2, 2013 - 04:26pm PT
Wow, that's deep Chief Midget Moobs.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 2, 2013 - 05:39pm PT
man, Hedge gets the boot but the vile The Chief is still here?

That's too bad.
dirtbag

climber
Dec 2, 2013 - 08:24pm PT
^^^^^^^^^ dumbass... ^^^^^^^^



rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Dec 2, 2013 - 10:21pm PT
Bruce, instead of your continuous psycho babble interpretations of others motives and makeup, which by the way does more to expose your delusional worldview than those you target,perhaps you can begin to educate yourself so you can effectively participate in this ongoing argument. Below is a suitable starting point for the likes of a admitted progressive from communist B.C. suffering from self imposed ignorance.

http://www.newport.com/Introduction-to Solar-Radiation/411919/1033/content.aspx

And after you are done with the intro above please comment on the linked article below discussing the failings of climate modeling in relation to wrong assumptions about positive feedback versus radiation reflectivity of increased cloudiness. Though this discusses decreased temps during increased cloudiness in England it is interesting to note that during the solar max in the late 20th century satellites measured a marked decrease in global cloud cover during the period of most rapid temp increases.

http://www.euanmearns.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/234837_0_merged_1377705028.pdf
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Dec 3, 2013 - 09:18am PT
You hit the nail on the head Bruce. This aint rocket science. The whole field of CC has been manipulated by pols for their ends, using basic psychology to instill the fear of their god in masses of delusional followers like yourself.If you could break free of the ideology to rip the curtains back i'm sure you would see the same midgets manipulating machinery that The Chief, I and the majority of the waking masses of humanity see. Perhaps you should start with the same psychology analyses', directed at yourself instead of others that the "Climatismista's" have told you through their blogs are effective on us. You got a few brains in that gourd, use them, think outside of the little box they have you in. Educate yourself.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 3, 2013 - 10:00am PT
The Chief brandishes his dim wit like a badge:

Just another example of how this AGW bullshet is all based on nothing more than pure ideology.



I say The Chief can't comprehend what he reads, that he's as abrasive as hedge, and this is what he comes up with. What I said had nothing to do with AWG, but there you go.



Keep at it The Chief, there's still room to prove you're more clueless than we previously thought. Unbelievable as that may seem.
raymond phule

climber
Dec 3, 2013 - 10:16am PT

People like myself just do not have time to contemplate your AGW futuristic fear mongering dogma/ideology.

We got shet to do. Like live our lives.

How do the fact that you have posted thousands of posts on this thread fit into that?
Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
Dec 3, 2013 - 05:58pm PT
a deniers' grasp of science:

Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Dec 3, 2013 - 07:13pm PT
You Fortmental should try doing so. Living in the NOW instead of in the future and claiming you can control the future.

Live each day like it's your last. Plan like you'll live forever.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Dec 3, 2013 - 10:29pm PT
Well Bruce, i reached out one last time to see if you could open your narrow, delusional mind and just possibly get a grip on something resembling reality. You failed just as spectacularly as the models of the climate scientism church wackos. Babble on brother, i don't give a flying fk about your amateur psychology. Nobody's paying attention.
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