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The Chief

climber
From the Land Mongols under the Whites
Jul 30, 2013 - 12:56am PT
This is Nature's true don't give a fly ratsass "Skeptic". It has been around for millions of years and adapts to changes in it's environment rather perfectly. The common human AGW Skeptic pretty much fits the mold and M.O.

Take heed AGW Utopians.


dirtbag

climber
Jul 30, 2013 - 01:00am PT
^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^



Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
Jul 30, 2013 - 01:01am PT
Whadufuk is ^^^ dat sh#t? Are you, like, 12?

Edit: @ Chump. Whadamaroon.
The Chief

climber
From the Land Mongols under the Whites
Jul 30, 2013 - 01:07am PT
^^^ For once I agree JEEZCAKEBOMZBOY. Dirtbag does show her level of intelligence quite often. Nice. Too bad that in reality that is her on the bottom and her mate on top. Funny thing is, the dude on top must be you. Ha. Now who's the moron. JEEZCAKEBOMZBOY.
dirtbag

climber
Jul 30, 2013 - 01:14am PT
^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^



The Chief

climber
From the Land Mongols under the Whites
Jul 30, 2013 - 08:40am PT
ED:

It "is" all in the steady and perfect course of Nature. Real Nature. Not some human devised computer model or statistic that claims it knows what Nature "may" or "can" do. More importantly ED, like the Wasp description I posted above, regardless what Science thinks, there are no "if's" in Nature. Just a simple and a very perfect "is". The Rule of Law that has been in place for Billions of years.

The difference between you Scientism PhD Utopians and us "Majority" that do not agree with your plan for man's future utopian lifestyle, we fully embrace and accept all that Nature delivers. All of it. You on the other hand, you think that you know how to attempt to manipulate and then control it. All to your advantage. When the reality of it all is, you never can nor will you ever be able to.


Science can learn much from the Wasp. It hasn't changed it's perfect design nor concept in over 200 Million years of existence. It has survived far worse changes on Earth than mankind could ever imagine.

NORTON:

Absolutely spot on. Work on mitigating the things which burden and lie directly in front of us today. The issues that are negatively impacting mankind today and that have been. NOT things that "may" occur tomorrow.

10-11 Million humans die annually from various forms of Cancer. 3-5 Million humans die annually from diseases stemming from poverty and malnutrition. We are running out room to house the massive growth of humanity.

Focus on fixing them issues. The REAL issues that have and do exist today. Not what the propaganda info fed computer states "may" be an issue some day in the distant future.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jul 30, 2013 - 08:45am PT
I f*#k sh#t UP, baby!



DMT
The Chief

climber
From the Land Mongols under the Whites
Jul 30, 2013 - 08:58am PT
WTF is that pussyass shet Dingus?

More like this:
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jul 30, 2013 - 09:01am PT
Naw, more like this


Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jul 30, 2013 - 09:12am PT
If I have to explain it its not very funny. Think I'll keep my chuckles.

DMT

ps. it also reminds me of Nature in the Haulbag,
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
Jul 30, 2013 - 09:46am PT
No, Chump, the Bomz was out jockeyed by Dirt, not in disagreement. But it would fit in with your delusional MO to believe otherwise.

I wouldn't trust these guys to man the temp controls on an easy bake oven!

The wasp?! Hahaha. At least he has properly filed himself as a pest.
The Chief

climber
From the Land Mongols under the Whites
Jul 30, 2013 - 10:09am PT
Here a perfect example of US Gov't proliferating itself, taking your tax dollars and doing absolutely NOTHING to remedy a potential threat/problem.

Here is what it does:

What is the National Climate Assessment (NCA)?

Assessments have been integral components of USGCRP since its inception. Along with its strategic role as coordinator of Federal global change research, USGCRP is required by the Global Change Research Act of 1990 to conduct a National Climate Assessment (NCA). The NCA is an important resource for understanding and communicating climate change science and impacts in the United States. The Assessment:

- Informs the nation about already observed changes, the current status of the climate, and anticipated trends for the future
- Integrates scientific information from multiple sources and sectors to highlight key findings and significant gaps in our knowledge
- Establishes consistent methods for evaluating climate impacts in the U.S. in the context of broader global change
- Provides input to Federal science priorities and are used by U.S. citizens, communities, and businesses as they create more sustainable and environmentally sound plans for the nation’s future.

http://www.globalchange.gov/what-we-do/assessment

This agency was established back in the 90's. It does absolutely nothing but "Assess". Proliferating the fatalism and inform the public that doom is coming. That only the Gov't and it's pack of scientist can and will save you and the nation from the clutches of the worst impending enemy threat known to the United States and the world.

That growing enemy threat? Mother Nature itself.

At the rate that this Agency is growing, it will over take The Department of Homeland Security as the protector of the Homeland within the next five or so years.


Unfkingbelievable.


BUT! ED H, DrFRY, Chiloe etal all are onboard with this Agency. They of course are employed and paid by one of the entities within it.


The wasp?! Hahaha. At least he has properly filed himself as a pest.

And that "pest" can and will fk your sorry dumb human ass up in a hearbeat. It will also continue to exist on this planet much longer than your measly self-centered spoiled ass ever will.

HA!
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jul 30, 2013 - 10:16am PT
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


Here a perfect example of US stupidity proliferating itself,


There, fixed it for you Honey Badger
dirtbag

climber
Jul 30, 2013 - 10:26am PT
Chief Running Mouth apparently never gets tired of making himself look stoopid.
Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
Jul 30, 2013 - 10:37am PT
Chief Running Mouth apparently never gets tired of making himself look stoopid
I see it as:

Chief Running Mouth apparently never gets tired of demonstrating his stoopidity
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
Jul 30, 2013 - 10:43am PT
The Pest, when I was but a grub we would make sport of wasp nests we found. Before garden hosing them out of existence, we'd practice our swing by batting the aerial vermin out of the sky. Little 'pling!'s would resound amidst laughter. Much like this thread, you living freaking joke!

The Wasp?! Ha Ha Ha!
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jul 30, 2013 - 11:11am PT
Interesting article on the left / right divide here. A sample:


Why do liberals seem to care more about the environment than conservatives? One influential explanation holds that left and right-wing people approach moral questions from profoundly different perspectives. Research by New York University psychologist Jonathan Haidt and others forms the basis for "moral foundations theory," which breaks down human morality into distinct categories.

People who identify as politically liberal tend to have strong emotional reactions to questions of "care/harm" (protecting vulnerable elements of society) and "fairness/cheating" (making sure that justice is upheld).

Environmental arguments often evoke both. For instance: "Alberta oil sands firms are not held accountable (fairness/cheating) for their contribution to a warming climate that will ultimately harm the planet's poorest people (care/harm)."

The logical left-wing reaction is to demand strict limits on oil sands emissions. But that climate change solution can provoke strong emotional reactions from people who identify as politically right-wing.

That's because conservative morality tends to emphasize questions of "loyalty/betrayal" (staying true to your cultural group), "authority/subversion" (upholding long-held institutions) and "sanctity/degradation" (fending off defilement).

So the right-wing response to oil sands limits might be: "Since all Canadians benefit from our oil and gas industry (loyalty/betrayal), we shouldn't restrict free markets (authority/subversion) to limit a naturally-occurring, odorless gas (sanctity/degradation)."

These types of emotional reactions are so deeply ingrained in our psyches we often don't realize they're affecting our perceptions.

Yet getting conservatives concerned about global warming means liberals need to first recognize their own moral biases, and how the climate arguments they make can reinforce them.

"We all have gut-level reactions to things," Ravi Iyer, a University of Southern California researcher who's collaborated with Haidt, told The Tyee. "It's good to realize that we're all kind of irrational."

from here: http://thetyee.ca/News/2013/07/29/Conservatives-and-Climate-Change/



It illustrates the difference in values but it fails to zero in on the fundamental flaw in that the ultimate divide is one of attitude. It is a difference of how you determine ideology - reality based or faith based. The problem lies with the title - "How to Talk to a Conservative about Climate Change".

You really can't because the implications of aknowledging such a reality threaten conservative (right wing) values, which is unacceptable due to cultural loyalty. It dosn't matter how "reality based" your argument is, it will never be accepted. This is the real flaw in the liberal mind set - to assume that right wingers can ever be swayed by reason or evidence where it conflicts with their ideological values.

Chuffs values all revolve around a freaky bizarre sado masochistic adoration of primal darwinian survival of the fittest domination of the strong and destruction of the weak, which is why he actually looks forward to anything apocolyptic, so that his ideal can finally be put into action and all the weak scum can be scrubbed finally from the face of the earth and dominant can rightfully assert themselves.

Other right wingers prefer not quite so brazen or obvious an embrace of meanness, so essentially the same values are cloaked in vague allusions to trickle down / status quo stuff.

There is no hope in a tactic of "convincing" right wingers. The only chance is locking them out of the decision making process. Low odds I know but the alternative is always to allow stupidity and meaness a seat at the table.


This comment on the above article sums it up well:


"Faith conquers all !" Economic theories and monetary values are not based on physical realities, but are pseudo religious mental programming to make people follow beliefs. The word "conservative" really means "believer"

There are no such things as "monetary efficiency", "cost cutting" and "cheaper", only physical efficiency and real, physical cost transfers on on others, the environment and the future. These gimmicks are used to mislead people with fraudulent accounting systems to "believe" and enslave their programmed minds to follow and ignore realities.

It makes no difference what coloured flags the sellers and buyers of faith based mental programming are waving. The intents and results are always the same: power into the hands of history's traditional One Percent ruling classes. I have experienced the same faith based mental programming under fascism, nazism, communism, and capitalism, all of them denying human rights and physical realities.because they're all psychologically programming people to "follow" and "believe", exactly the same way as the suicide bombers who believe that by killing a few "infidel" will earn them quick passage to the 7th level of heaven.

When a society permits the gamblers at the stockmarkets to control the lives of billions with imaginary figures, they automatically dismiss realities. And most of our ideological /economic systems have always been are built on ignorance and faiths in the impossible.
The Chief

climber
From the Land Mongols under the Whites
Jul 30, 2013 - 11:52am PT
There is no hope in a tactic of "convincing" right wingers. The only chance is locking them out of the decision making process. Low odds I know but the alternative is always to allow stupidity and meaness a seat at the table.

Oh soooooooooo typical Bruce Kay and right on cue.


This fairs far better to the truth of this hoax and scam.

Despite claims by global warming alarmists that the “debate is over”, “the science is settled” and that there is a “consensus” among scientists that global warming is real, there are countless scientific studies that have contradicted this theory. A minimal amount of research will locate such studies, conducted by individuals and institutions as highly credentialed and respected as any of those who are trying to prove the existence of global warming. Recently, the New York Times – normally a strong supporter of the global warming lobby – revealed that a scientific study shows a slower rise in temperature on the Earth’s surface over the past 15 years than over the previous 20 years. The Times then attempted to brush this off by suggesting that the rate of global warming is erratic.

This is the usual tactic of global warming fanatics – and is why there are many reasons not to trust them: Despite their claims that the science is “settled”, whenever a study throws doubt on their theory, they then turn around and use the excuse that climate science is not, after all, an exact science. In doing so, they are admitting that the science is not, therefore, “settled”.

In truth, global warming happens; it is natural. global cooling also happens; and, back in the 1970’s, we were being told that global cooling was an existential threat, just as we are told today that global warming is. A cursory look into the makeup and funding of institutions that push the global warming theory will reveal deep-rooted political connections. Ultra-wealthy George Soros, who is well-known as the money behind extreme Left-wing “news” organizations such as Media Matters for America, also pours millions into the climate change lobby. That is a connection too obvious to miss.

The demonization of those who refuse to buy the global warming hype is classic Left-wing strategy. The word “deniers” has become fashionable; a deliberate attempt to equate the “skeptics” with Holocaust “deniers”. The truth, however, is that the science is nowhere near “settled” on global warming, and the string of proven lies, inaccurate statements and outright deceptions put out by the fanatics leaves them with little credibility and should give us all plenty of reasons not to trust them.
http://guardianlv.com/2013/06/global-warming-zealots-and-three-good-reasons-not-to-trust-them/
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
Jul 30, 2013 - 11:59am PT
Big oil's lackey bitches. Preach on, Pest.

The chuff cycle continues: Deny, deny some more but a little differently when your pseudoscience begins to crumble, and then, finally, retreat to some nihilistic neo caveman fantasy land where you fly on the backs of wasps and people actually take you seriously.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Jul 30, 2013 - 12:00pm PT

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