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TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Nov 29, 2013 - 03:38pm PT
http://sciencecareers.sciencemag.org/career_magazine/previous_issues/articles/2013_11_26/caredit.a1300260
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Nov 29, 2013 - 06:00pm PT
http://www.climatedepot.com/2013/11/29/nearly-1000-record-low-temperatures-set-as-another-round-of-arctic-air-forecast-to-deep-freeze-the-u-s/
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Nov 29, 2013 - 06:19pm PT
Ron ,I posted this earlier,it may give you an idea of how much a 1 degree celsius rise in temperature globally will do.

3.3 MM worldwide,do you know how much ice that is equivalent to?


http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/WorldOfChange/decadaltemp.php
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Nov 29, 2013 - 06:30pm PT
For the Tenth Grade Teapartier's bull
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/2013/10

rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Nov 29, 2013 - 07:14pm PT
Ed if you fully believe the contents of your last post i have real fear for your sanity. Look around buddy. The land based temps are in a slight decline as is the sea surface and show oceanic layers. Ice mass is increasing. The northern hemisphere is on track for its sixth severe winter in a row. Cold record temps, both summer and winter are outpacing new heat records. Unless you truly believe those deep ocean temps, which we suffer a lack of measurements for, are increasing the short era of increasing temps is on the decline.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Nov 29, 2013 - 07:47pm PT
All bow to Ed, the undisputed high priest of Supertopos church of "Climatism and CO2 almighty". Of course, oh revered one, if you say to not believe our eyes, ears, and numerous purveyors of empirical temperature data, the believers surely will. Please excuse the rest of us and the expanding percentage of the populace that refuse to worship or sacrifice their good lives on the alter of your church.

EDIT: Good post Bruce. I suggest you collect together your marginally humorous bromides for publication, maybe something like "Climate dialogues".
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Nov 29, 2013 - 08:13pm PT
I Aint Bruce,ha ....ha .....ha
Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
Nov 29, 2013 - 08:20pm PT
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where's the Calgary flood?
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
Nov 29, 2013 - 08:57pm PT
This is interesting.

http://myscienceacademy.org/2013/11/30/earth-with-all-its-water-and-air/

Credit: McHale's Navy
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Nov 30, 2013 - 07:10am PT
Why would she Lie?http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Judith_Curry
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 30, 2013 - 10:33am PT
All bow to Ed, the undisputed high priest of Supertopos church of "Climatism and CO2 almighty". Of course, oh revered one, if you say to not believe our eyes, ears, and numerous purveyors of empirical temperature data, the believers surely will. Please excuse the rest of us and the expanding percentage of the populace that refuse to worship or sacrifice their good lives on the alter of your church.



Rick has a funny way of admitting he's been had.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Nov 30, 2013 - 10:45am PT
I've been had K-man? Perhaps your right. My thoughts are similar to those laid out by the brilliant Chief and codified in Chuffian Darwinism. If, as you true believers blather on about, that all is lost, we should enjoy the fruits of our technology. 135 miles an hour on hwy. 6 between Bishop and Tonopah, emitting streams of invisible CO2, doesn't sound half bad. Go out with some gusto, just like all other species before us.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
U.N. Ambassador, Crackistan
Nov 30, 2013 - 10:56am PT
Yes that sounds like defeat to me.

Throttle ON boys. Yer gonna die, same as the climate priests.

DMT
raw

Mountain climber
Malibu
Nov 30, 2013 - 12:22pm PT
Chaos figured prominently in early climate science:
http://www.aip.org/history/climate/chaos.htm
Seems rather magically to have disappeared from the present.
(Has this been discussed before? This is an awfully long thread.)
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Nov 30, 2013 - 01:00pm PT
My thoughts are similar to those laid out by the brilliant Chief


well that pretty much sums it all up. No?
Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
Nov 30, 2013 - 02:34pm PT
Chaos is why weather predictions only go out to a week.
Until we have zettaflop computers.
raymond phule

climber
Nov 30, 2013 - 03:16pm PT

Chaos figured prominently in early climate science:
http://www.aip.org/history/climate/chaos.htm
Seems rather magically to have disappeared from the present.

I am currently reading the article. It is interesting.

It is important to note though, that terminology like chaos, stability etc have strict mathematical definitions that not always are the same or very similar to the everyday use of those words.
raw

Mountain climber
Malibu
Nov 30, 2013 - 08:27pm PT
Agreed. I was a bit surprised to find that the orbits of our solar system are chaotic, at time scales much beyond our observations. I thought celestial mechanics the height of predictability. (Some time ago I guess I'd heard the 3-body problem called "insoluble".)
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
U.N. Ambassador, Crackistan
Nov 30, 2013 - 10:17pm PT
Turbulence is chaotic and fairly well understood, I think.

Turbulence in the weather, and turbulence in the climate are a given; predicting them, perhaps a ways off.

DMT
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Dec 1, 2013 - 11:01pm PT
You shouldn't try to grasp Bruce, the realities will be forever beyond you. This isn't because of lack of intelligence, deficit of mathematics, or not having years of training. The reason you'll never be able to grasp the reality of climate science is because you cower behind an ideology, deferring your own thought processes to the interpretation of the "Climatism Scientists/Priests". This is to spare yourself the naked reality of this sham with the resultant upending to your narrow minded, apocalyptic,delusional worldview.You are quite different from Ed who, i believe, is well aware of the failings of the overuse of anthro driven CO2 emissions as the overwhelming agent of the recent historically typical climate change, and fears full exposure of the truth because of the taint, disrepute, and reduction of funding to science, including possibly his own discipline, that he has spent the majority of his life practicing.
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