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mechrist

Gym climber

South of Heaven

Oct 19, 2013 - 05:03pm PT

OMG, data was reanalyzed to reduce sampling artifacts using clearly disclosed methods? Good god! Chuff is a fuking idiot.

rick sumner

Trad climber

reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska

Oct 19, 2013 - 06:12pm PT

Well, how about the science of reading comprehension Ed. The very thing you consistently accuse me of- lack of reading and comprehension- you ably exhibit in the first sentence of your last post. You are just as biased as me. I said; in anything less than geologic time scale, in reference to the amount of time we need not fear runaway greenhouse effect. And why is this Ed, well let's see, what happens as that little yellow ball of Sol progresses through it fusion cycle burning heavier and heavier elements. Shock of shocks, it expands and radiates ever brighter towards the end of its stellar cycle and consumption of the system around it. The fact that we will go through a relatively short greenhouse period en route to incineration is of little importance to human scale time. We will have long since passed into extinction, just like every other species to have inhabited mother Earth in the billion of billions (Carl Sagans favorite quote) of years of Sol's life cycle, or adapted, evolved, expanded. Mar's colonization is a good idea, not because of need from shetting our present nest, but because it provides a frontier for human expansion. While exercising our "manifest destiny" on the first steps of a cosmological scale excursion ,we'll not only be furthering the concept of individual achievement and ambition without limits, but begin to provide unlimited resources on the way to burying this "green sustainability" joke of a philosophy in a well deserved unmarked grave. Get some optimism Ed, read more sci-fi. So far Earth is unique, as evidenced by self aware beings capable of discovering it's secrets and manipulating it's resource of materials through ever more complex technology. Why should we fear a self imposed end?

mechrist

Gym climber

South of Heaven

Oct 19, 2013 - 06:24pm PT

All of sudden, in 2002, the temps during the supposedly warmist period in recorded history, 1937 (per Hansen's NASA 1999 report as posted), are conveniently reanalyzed and found to be no where near where they were for all them 90 some years. They then get dropped some 20%.

No you stupid ass fuktard.

1) It was reanalyzed in 2001, not 2002.

2) ALL the data was reanalyzed using the same methods, which are clearly discussed in Hansen et al 2001, which you STILL haven't read and will never understand, despite posting their graphs over and over and over (http://pubs.giss.nasa.gov/abs/ha02300a.html);

3) They weren't "conveniently reanalyzed." They were reanalyzed because it became apparent (likely through discussions with other scientists) that the urban heat island effect had not been properly addressed.

4) 20% is about right for the urban heat island effect.

5) You are a fuking idiot.

how about the science of reading comprehension Ed

Does it hurt to be that fuking stupid?

rick sumner

Trad climber

reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska

Oct 19, 2013 - 07:54pm PT

There would be no "Climate Science" without an economic base robust enough to support it. The recommendations this voodoo science advances would be sufficient to destroy said economic base, therefore delivering the end to the science and a good portion of humanity that depends on the present naturally evolving energy technologies that powers industry and agriculture at a scale sufficient to feed these masses. This cannot be done with greenery of the likes of wind and solar. Climate Science's imagined problems could be solved by a manhattan scale program of solving the fusion containment problem then deploying this along with latest generation nuclear fission, replacement of coal with Ng, increased hydro and hydrothermal, and developing viable storage for the intermittent wind and solar. This amount of funding would necessitate the defunding of the science, once again resulting in its demise. I see no clear path for continued advancement of the voodoo science short of the widespread imposition of the carbon taxes you champion, which are extremely unlikely to be tolerated by a fed up public. Have you ever thought of Sun's as giant transmutation machines , or for that matter the whole cosmos as a machine the purpose of which we could not presently imagine?

mechrist

Gym climber

South of Heaven

Oct 19, 2013 - 08:08pm PT

A convenient adjustment, the "heat urban" effect was less than 30%, if that, in 1937 than that of 2001.

Wow, can't argue with that... mostly because it makes no sense whatsoever. Why do you put quotes around "heat urban," a phrase nobody else has ever used?

rick sumner

Trad climber

reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska

Oct 19, 2013 - 09:21pm PT

Just casting about Bruce, different lures and presentations to prompt response. You learn more about the quarry this way than using the same old, same old.

mechrist

Gym climber

South of Heaven

Oct 19, 2013 - 09:31pm PT

14:10, compare to "authoritarian personality"

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FRUMY

Trad climber

Bishop,CA

Oct 20, 2013 - 12:51am PT

I don't worry about anything cause I know nothing going to be alright.

mechrist

Gym climber

South of Heaven

Oct 20, 2013 - 03:29pm PT

There's a saying about most Americans being one paycheck away from the poorhouse. I'm not sure how they would like paying an additional $500/year (just a guess) to fight a problem that's decades down the road.

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"That one guy" would rather fund the denier's anti-science bullshit than invest in the future of the country/global economy. And idiots like chuffer, sketch, Rong, and Dr. Al Siding follow along like the mindless lemmings they are... not understanding jack sh#t about the science, but yelling loudly that they KNOW it is wrong.

rick sumner

Trad climber

reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska

Oct 20, 2013 - 03:58pm PT

Finally Wessie the messy comes up with a good one. I rather like my new name, Dr. Al Siding, kind rolls off the tongue.

Anyway in case you idiots have not noticed your side has lost the big battle of the Climate Wars. Best to regroup in your caves as you weave new sci-fi tales and hope for a weather break to reenter the war. This probably won't happen for at least a decade though, since we are on the downslope of a deep solar minimum which will provide a test of the real climate science that is emerging. In case you get tired of the circle jerk of the sci-fi weave narrative look it up- It's contained in the NIPCC 2013 report entitled Climate Change Reconsidered II.

raymond phule

climber

Oct 20, 2013 - 04:22pm PT

Anyway in case you idiots have not noticed your side has lost the big battle of the Climate Wars.

I really haven't noticed that. Exactly how am I supposed to notice that we have lost the big battle? Number of visitors to your favorite blogs? That your favorite blogs tell you that it is the case? That you tell us all the time that it is the case? I even cant came up with more stupid reasons...

Wade Icey

Trad climber

www.alohashirtrescue.com

Oct 20, 2013 - 04:24pm PT

wilbeer

Mountain climber

honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys

Oct 20, 2013 - 04:55pm PT

mechrist

Gym climber

South of Heaven

Oct 20, 2013 - 04:56pm PT

Finally Wessie the messy comes up with a good one.

And it only took you a little over 2 weeks to figure it out. Dipsh#t.

What does my post (which you quoted) have to do with your little hate sprayage?

Gee, I don't know why anyone would make a post about wealth distribution and how the 1% fund anti-science bullshit following an idiotic statement like: "There's a saying about most Americans being one paycheck away from the poorhouse. I'm not sure how they would like paying an additional $500/year"

fuking idiot

Chiloe

Trad climber

Lee, NH

Oct 20, 2013 - 06:03pm PT

Anyway in case you idiots have not noticed your side has lost the big battle of the Climate Wars....
It's contained in the NIPCC 2013 report entitled Climate Change Reconsidered II.

Rick here is citing a Heartland-financed pseudo-science document that provides talking points for true believers. It has no validity as science, as statistician/blogger Tamino notes right away:

Many of you are probably aware of a “report” which is intended to contradict the IPCC (Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change) report. Its authors call it the “NIPCC” report for “Non-governmental International Panel on Climate Change.” It’s supposed to represent the very best that so-called “skeptics” have to offer.

But in my opinion, a much more accurate acronym would be “ICP” report — for “Intentional Cherry-Picking.” You don’t have to look any further than their “Summary for Policymakers” (SPM) to see cherry-picking taken to the extreme. And I do mean, extreme. One of the most obvious, most egregious, and frankly most ridiculous examples is Figure 4 from their SPM. It looks like this:

Comparing 1945-1995 with 1979-1997 time periods, what sense does that make? you might wonder if you're even slightly skeptical. Rick of course is not, but Tamino goes on to figure out why the NIPCC authors are comparing those two odd and overlapping periods, ending in 1997, in an effort to impress innumerate and scientifically illiterate readers of their 2013 report.

Because Tamino actually is skeptical, and not innumerate, he does the math. The answer?

The reason for their choices is blatantly obvious. The time spans were specifically chosen to minimize the observed warming, so they could claim “do not exhibit a warming trend.” There’s a name for the practice of leaving out data which contradicts one’s desired conclusion. It’s called “cherry-picking.”

Don't take my word for it, check this thing out for yourself. For example, Tamino shows what we would see if the NIPCC simply had looked at "the second half of the 20th century" as their text declares, instead of picking cherries.

wilbeer

Mountain climber

honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys

Oct 20, 2013 - 07:21pm PT

Keep reading your blogs,dude,everything will work out the way YOU want it.

Brandon-

climber

The Granite State.

Oct 20, 2013 - 07:29pm PT

Classy.

And yet, you act the same way...

Brandon-

climber

The Granite State.

Oct 20, 2013 - 08:01pm PT

You got me, I'm a peachfuss kid. I'm twenty. How'd I get figured out?

Luckily for me, I'm smarter than you and can spell better to boot.

Hope you're having a great day dude! You rock!!!