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rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
May 9, 2013 - 08:32pm PT
Bruce what the hell are you doing now-it looks like arguing with yourself brother.

Anothernickname- good one their with Dyson. Actually many many of the most esteemed scientists in the world have seperated themselves from the lunacy of the CAGW crowd. Ed's first list of organizations is B.S.- the few head honchos misspeaking for the whole.

Ed, man come to your senses seperate yourself from the catastrophists-you know in your heart and intellect that the whole thing was overhyped and its time to go neutral before the ship sinks beneath the waves.

To reiterate; The northern hemisphere is cooling The coldest temperatures ever recorded in the history of the northern hemisphere was this winter in Siberia at 96.1 degrees below zero. 19 of the 20 official weather stations in Alaska have recorded an average of 2.4 degrees cooling over the last 12 years. The most new sea ice in history was formed this winter in the arctic.The majority of Europe and Asia are coming off the second of two severe winters this one the longest in many decades. The measly .1 decrease in ph announced with hysteria this week is less than its amount of variation as measured in widespread locales. We are at the point in the Milankovitch cycles when a slow decline should begin to end this interglacial period and begin a slow return to the ice age.The sun (according to some highly respected astrophysicists) is entering into a period of quiescense that might rival the Maunder minimum of the little ice age.Antartica is in a slight cooling trend and more ice is being added to the eastern continent than has been lost in the arctic by some accounts.
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
Panorama City, California & living in Seattle
May 9, 2013 - 09:26pm PT
Ed, man come to your senses seperate yourself from the catastrophists-you know in your heart and intellect that the whole thing was overhyped and its time to go neutral before the ship sinks beneath the waves.


I have been involved in a number of blogs the last few years and have not come across this term 'Catastrophists' that Rick uses. A little searching showing that it has theological origins;

Catastrophism has always been an important part of creationist geology.
catastrophism n. Geology . The doctrine that major changes in the earth's crust result from catastrophes rather than evolutionary processes.

-you know in your heart and intellect that the whole thing was overhyped

How does Rick know what is in the heart and intellect of others? I suggest he only knows what is in his his heart and intellect.

rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
May 9, 2013 - 09:42pm PT
I invented the term myself McHale. By the way i'm thinking about a study of the physchology of catastrophists. Would any of you gentleman care to answer a few questions: 1. Were you castigated as being nerds in grade school. 2. Do you have children. 3. Do you feel rejected and ignored by society.4. Do you own a handgun or semi_automatic assault style weapon. 5. Have you been abducted and abused by aliens. etc.

Anothernickname- Google Global Warming Petition Project. You'll find a site that rejects the findings of the so called "Consensus". To date it has almost 31,500 signatures of american scientists alone. Note: their are additional thousands of scientists worldwide also in disagreement with the catastrophists.
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
Panorama City, California & living in Seattle
May 9, 2013 - 09:56pm PT
Were you castigated as being nerds in grade school. 2. Do you have children. 3. Do you feel rejected and ignored by society.4. Do you own a handgun or semi_automatic assault style weapon. 5. Have you been abducted and abused by aliens. etc.


You are projecting again.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
May 9, 2013 - 10:05pm PT
Would any of you gentleman answer a few questions.

you answered them by asking them.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
May 9, 2013 - 10:06pm PT
god damn it

refute the science and just the science and forget this gun and children unrelated stuff

I would like to read Rick's specific point by point peer reviewed work that refutes the science itself behind global warming, with or without human involvement, and not Rick's personal opinion because well, that is worthless to this discussion

by the way, it is really really weak to put forth the idea that because it is right now a little cold in the corn belt that that somehow negates the brutal price rise in all the US grain markets last summer when record, repeat record heat and draught ruined the crops

that analogy is like saying I own a bad and vicious Schnauzer, therefore all Schnauzers are bad and violent dogs

what is this, grade school?
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
May 9, 2013 - 10:32pm PT
hang on everyone. I have some bad news. we have been had. This person who claims to be one "Rick Sumner" of Wassillastan Alaska is in in fact none other than Lord Christopher Monkton, aka Sasha Baron Cohen. This is the proof. I recognized his manner of speech, intonation and general lack of credibility immediately:




rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
May 9, 2013 - 11:39pm PT
Bruce- I wish my old friend Daryl aka Doug Fir was still with us. I'd ask him to take you logging, to see the forest through the trees. Now there was a man who could see the hilarity of this all.

Norton spare us the drama and just answer the questionaire.

And any of the rest of you that can't appreciate my presence here; just thank Dr. F who policed me to the epicenter of my pet peeve-junk science and agenda driven propoganda.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
May 10, 2013 - 12:39am PT
Ed ED ED,You know i'm slow in my unscientific studies, furthermore as previously stated, i will check in over a period of years as conditions of the state of CAGW collapse warrants. Will look up some of the papers you cited soon. As for graphs, in the end the only ones that present hard reality are those charting the past to the current based on unambiguous, uncontested observation. The line of medial rise plateaued some 15 years ago and may well be trending down, possibly steeply soon.After several more years, if that trend line continues, i would be happy to graph it.

In the mean time, this false idea of a unanimous consensus is what i battle.Thanks for putting up with me.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
May 10, 2013 - 12:44am PT
you're an old buddy of daryl's? Well if that is true you would know as well as anyone Daryl would be saying "Rick - you 're a damn light weight! now shut up and make yourself useful - put on that french maid outfit and go get us some beer!"

Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
May 10, 2013 - 01:01am PT

it got colder than normal for a week in January where i live

therefore the global warming thing is a lie that the scientific community made up in order to justify getting more and more research money so their personal incomes would go up


I don't make money so easily just by lying and manipulating data, and so I have a right to be contentious and jealous of the soft jobs and easy money the warming alarmists enjoy

do i got it right yet?



Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
May 10, 2013 - 01:03am PT
Yep.

And they're coming for your guns as well.

And your children.

And your little dog, too.

DMT
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
May 10, 2013 - 01:05am PT
Yeah Bruce, had many a drunken gut wrenching laugh fests with old Daryl. I climbed and worked with him (occaisionally-the work part) in ca. 79-80 before he was deported for, among other things, logging a bit in Yo.

And dont forget the aliens DMT

Norton- where the hell have you been the last decade-are you sequestered in your greenhouse,get outside man and smell the wild roses.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
May 10, 2013 - 01:23am PT
Well Rick you've managed to regain some credibility in the boozing and Dennis the Menace department but what that has to do with climate science I'll never know. Come to think of it, maybe it does provide a little insight into where you're coming from and no it dosn't exactly help your position here!
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
May 10, 2013 - 01:31am PT
Well Bruce, i had hoped to establish my credentials as a man who enjoys a good laugh. Anyway, this whole catastrophist thing is a joke, isn't it? Why else would i be laughing my ass off.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
May 10, 2013 - 08:38am PT
website made on how to talk to Rick Sumner.
http://grist.org/series/skeptics/
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
May 10, 2013 - 09:44am PT
For the reality-based community, some lively writing by Phil Plait (the Bad Astronomer) on the latest Wall Street Journal pseudo-science:

No Need to Worry About Global Warming, Folks: More Carbon Dioxide Will Be Awesome

I see a lot of pretty amazingly bad global warming denial online. It ranges from mildly cherry-picked data to such baldly transparent garbage that you have to wonder if the person who wrote it can possibly, actually believe what they are saying is true.

After reading dozens, hundreds, of such mind-numbing articles, I think we’ve found a winner. One that is so sweepingly wrong and based on such a ridiculous premise that it’s weapons-grade denial. Unsurprisingly, it was published in the Wall Street Journal, which has a lengthy history of printing reality-free OpEds about climate change. Perhaps surprisingly, it was penned by two actual scientists, William Happer and Harrison Schmitt. I’ll have more about them later.


You can read the rest at http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2013/05/10/carbon_dioxide_and_global_warming_more_is_not_better.html
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
May 10, 2013 - 10:20am PT
And in case you are still confused as to how supposedly serious readers of a serious news journal could ever consider themselves seriously, here's how:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2013/05/09/creationism_in_school_science_quiz_gets_it_totally_wrong.html?wpisrc=most_viral


Anyway, this whole catastrophist thing is a joke, isn't it? Why else would i be laughing my ass off.

you are easily amused i guess
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
May 10, 2013 - 11:38am PT
They ignore evidence, use cherry-picked data, pollute the discussion, and distract from the real problem.

They are simply, plainly—and dangerously—wrong.
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
May 10, 2013 - 12:27pm PT
Yesterday:

Climate Milestone: Earth’s CO2 Level Passes 400 ppm
Greenhouse gas highest since the Pliocene, when sea levels were higher and the Earth was warmer


An instrument near the summit of Mauna Loa in Hawaii recorded a long-awaited climate milestone today: the amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere there has exceeded 400 parts per million (ppm) for the first time in 55 years of measurement—and probably more than 3 million years of Earth history.

The last time the concentration of Earth's main greenhouse gas reached this mark, horses and camels lived in the high Arctic. Seas were at least 30 feet higher—at a level that today would inundate major cities around the world.

The planet was about 2 to 3 degrees Celsius (3.6 to 5.4 degrees Fahrenheit) warmer. But the Earth then was in the final stage of a prolonged greenhouse epoch, and CO2 concentrations were on their way down. This time, 400 ppm is a milepost on a far more rapid uphill climb toward an uncertain climate future.


http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/energy/2013/05/130510-earth-co2-milestone-400-ppm/
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