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Todd Gordon
Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal
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Topic Author's Original Post - Aug 30, 2009 - 02:46am PT
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What is something like that going for on the open market now a days?......I know there are some collector experts out there;...thanks
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Chicken Skinner
Trad climber
Yosemite
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Aug 30, 2009 - 02:58am PT
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Got one Todd? I think they are worth a lot.
Ken
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Todd Gordon
Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 30, 2009 - 03:07am PT
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Yeah;...I have one from Bridwell that we are planning to unload;...along with some other stuff;....I'm like you, Ken;...climbing gear, climbing books, guidebooks, history;...I am facinated by it all.....The Salathe pin is really cool....very, very cool....Jim don't need it....and some fat cat collector probably does!.....anyone help on an approx. value or price it should/could go for?...and it anyone is interested in the pin or other stuff;...I'll be posting any of the goods on supertopo with a link to ebay.......(It's a great opoportunity to buy cool stuff and help out The Bird....)...
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Aug 30, 2009 - 03:13am PT
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Make up a certificate to go with it, stating when and where it was found, and by whom, and anything that can be said about the piton and its history - picture, description, etc. Get it signed by the seller. Should help.
If Ken's on-line, I hope that means he's safe at home.
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Chicken Skinner
Trad climber
Yosemite
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Aug 30, 2009 - 03:14am PT
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Where did it come from? History please? How much money does YCA have? or how much money do I have?
How much to close the deal?
Ken
P.S. Anders, I am still in Hawaii and flying home day after tomorrow. I think the house is fine but will not be able to visit for a few days after I return. What a frigging hassle. Kids are all over the place and I would have never gone on vacation if I had known. I put a lot of people dealing with my responsibilities because of circumstances unforeseen. I think there is a reason I do not take vacations.
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Aug 30, 2009 - 11:48am PT
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COME ON TODD! COMMMMEEEEE ONNNNNNN! PICTURRRRREEEESSSS!!!!!!!!!!!
PICTURRRRREEEESSSS.....AAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!
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Scared Silly
Trad climber
UT
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Aug 30, 2009 - 11:52am PT
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Rox, Salathe marked his gear with a P inside of a diamond. The P was for Peninsula Ornamental Ironworks. Chouinard copycated the diamond marking.
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wack-N-dangle
Gym climber
the ground up
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Aug 30, 2009 - 12:32pm PT
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Not that I could afford it, but if I found a decent chunk of granite, wrapped a few loops of webbing around my waist, took off with a hammer and that pin, got to a logical point, then pounded it in as the anchor, would anyone be offended?
Also, good idea about provence, or whatever that history stuff is that makes things more valuable.
Maybe link the auction to a few European climbing sites too. It seemed like they were ahead of the U.S. in their support of climber/athletes.
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Studly
Trad climber
WA
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Aug 30, 2009 - 01:22pm PT
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Seems to me that the value of a historic Salathe pin would be based allot on its history. Is it just one that was never used, and is in good shape out of the closet? Then it would not be worth as much. Is it one that Bridwell pulled off some historic climb by Salathe, that raises the bar allot, and makes it a piece of history and probably worth hundreds of dollars.
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wack-N-dangle
Gym climber
the ground up
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Aug 30, 2009 - 01:26pm PT
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good pt. studly. a piece of history around the time of the clean climbing revolution would make a more worthwhile museum display.
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Eric Beck
Sport climber
Bishop, California
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Aug 30, 2009 - 01:44pm PT
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On an ascent of the Salathe route on the SW face of Half Dome in the early 60s, on one of the upper pitches, climbing under a right curving arch, I noticed a piton way back up and in. It was so far back in that I didn't even clip it.
When we got back down, I happened to mention this to Glen Denny. He hiked up there with several ropes, rapped down and got it, a genuine Salathe.
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Todd Gordon
Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 31, 2009 - 03:09am PT
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I'll post a pic and get the full scoop from Jim on the History of this pin.......thanks....
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Clint Cummins
Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
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Aug 31, 2009 - 03:40pm PT
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A friend of mine has a John Salathe piton (diamond P) also.
I don't have a photo of it yet, but I am hoping to get a photo of it one of these days.
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Aug 31, 2009 - 04:05pm PT
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I hope that the museums are the ultimate recipients of these handmade Salethe beauties so that or children can see them and touch history. I know that if left in basements, a sudden heart attack of the owner who prizes it so much could have the wife unknowingly tossing it or garage selling it to a non-climber for .50 cents and having the pin basically disappearing from the pin gene pool.
Side note: I get out occasionally with the guy taking care of the Mazamas archives, they'd love to have something like this -especially if it is found locally in the Pac NW: and Kens Yosemite museum is open for donations like a pin or if anyone is feeling sassy and wants to toss a few bucks to him so he can buy the next one that isn't donated.
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jstan
climber
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Aug 31, 2009 - 04:13pm PT
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I was walking across the low desert near Cottonwood once and saw a small piece of native pottery. Very thin so I knew it had belonged to people who had had to carry it. One day I will take it back and put it where it belongs.
Its real value is realized only if it is left in place, I think.
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Doug Robinson
Trad climber
Santa Cruz
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Aug 31, 2009 - 05:10pm PT
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Good example, John.
One day in the Palisades I came upon a bighorn sheep skull, nice horns.
A few years later it was gone. Only climbers would have found that spot, overlooking Temple Crag.
I've heard of a wall or two that might have a Salathe pin. It would be...what? -- interesting doesn't quite cover it -- to ring one back tight with the hammer, clip it and climb on in the footsteps.
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Gene
climber
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Aug 31, 2009 - 05:18pm PT
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See page 161 of Roper's Camp 4 for an idea of value even BITD.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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My buddy from the UK was out about a year or so ago, and he stumbled upon a Salathe pin. He'd gotten off route on some classic. Funny...a real beauty, it's his key chain now.
Jealous?? Naw...
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karabin museum
Trad climber
phoenix, az
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Todd, What ever happened to Jim's Salathe piton? Did it ever go up for auction? For years Jim kept telling me about his Salathe piton. I visited his house a few times but he had misplaced it for years so I never got to see it. I am totally glad that he found it!
Do you have a photo of it. Show us!!! Show us!!!
Below is my Salathe possibility. This thing is bombproof! Found by metal detector 10" underground at the base of the Dihedral Wall. This piton has no markings but is twice as heavy as a lost arrow of the same size. The end is beaten heavily but the blade shows no wear. I have asked 4 of the climbing gods so far and they all lean toward it being 99% Salathe. 1% no since Salathe didn't hand it to me personally. This piton has no info trail, no signed document.
This is a photo of the Salathe piton from the Curry Village climbing store in Yosemite, CA. I am not sure if Ken presently has it on the road or not.
Rock on!
Marty
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wildone
climber
GHOST TOWN
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What a beauty!
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WBraun
climber
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Value of an Original Salathe Piton?
Totally worthless piece of scrap steel.
Throw it in the metal dumpster and melt it down to make something new.
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Jstan said: I was walking across the low desert near Cottonwood once and saw a small piece of native pottery. Very thin so I knew it had belonged to people who had had to carry it. One day I will take it back and put it where it belongs. Its real value is realized only if it is left in place, I think.
Ohhhh, this one was stomped into dust by a herd of grazing sheep already John. Too late. Maybe catch the next one?
Todd, stop playing now, lets see the pictures! ...and don't tell us one of those cute little rascals that run like wild half nekid savages in your house tossed it in the toilet to see what it would do!
ps, speaking of pictures, get lots!
My son about a month or so ago it seems, I mean, they were just little kids a bit ago and now they've moved out of the house!
11 30 2009 my son came home for Thanksgiving and we got out and climbed twice. Here he is in the Jeff Thomas picture following me on the FA of the Route that Jim Opdycke named "Child Abuse"..LOL. He looks different, sure, being bigger and all......but he's the same kid. Really. Don't see him much anymore. The little girl up there in that picture is 24 now and lives in Hawaii. (didn't see much of her either for Thanksgiving as I gave her $300 bucks and she was on the Black Friday sales like flies on shit).
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Dick Erb
climber
June Lake, CA
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The piton from below the Dihedral Wall in the photo above looks like an old hand forged Chouinard. I had quite a few of those once upon a time. When Yvon forged these horizontals and hammered out the blade he made sure to get a lot of steel back into the neck between the blade and the eye, as this is the weakest part. This pin shows that well. Also the probability of an old Chouinard being found at that location seems way higher than a Salathe being there.
I once had an old European soft iron thick horizontal that was one of my most frequently used pins. It was about the size of a baby angle which didn't exist at that time. Any how I gave it to Yvon and asked him if he could make a copy of it in chromolly. A while later I get two pitons in the mail. There was no box or bag, just two pitons with a wire through their eyes and a shipping tag attached to the wire.
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Todd Gordon
Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 6, 2009 - 12:02pm PT
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Jim's Salathe piton got donated to the Yosemite museum, and it got sent off to Ken Yaeger......it is now in Yosemite......
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karabin museum
Trad climber
phoenix, az
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Photo below is Chouinard hand forged pitons from 1959. I love these pitons! I thought the same that the piton I have is from Chouinard. But 6 years ago at the Outdoor Retailers show Chouinard said it was not his. He also commented about how heavy it is, and what a great treasure it is. Yosemite is a big climbers destination. Who knows where this pin came from, who was carrying it and where did it originally fall from. Compairing it to the other 400+ pitons I have, it stands by itself. I will reask Yvon the next time I see him. Maybe Summer OR show. Robbins may be there also.
Todd, I am kinda disappointed. If Jim's Salathe piton was going to the Yosemite Museum to be shown to the world, why the secrecy on not showing a photo of it to the world on this thread that you created? Hmmmm. Todd you did good by putting it in the Yosemite Museum! That's where it truly belongs! Ken can you shoot a photo of it for us?
Dick Erb, I wish you still had your old Chouinard pitons. There are not many around these days.
Even if this piton was created by Scooby Doo from Iceland, it is a fantastic piece!
Rock on!
Marty
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MisterE
Social climber
Across Town From Easy Street
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I just love a happy ending!
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Dick Erb
climber
June Lake, CA
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I think Eric Beck still has some of the old Chouinard pins that I gave him years ago when I went clean.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Here you go;
Top row, left to right;
1) suspected Salathe
2) has TZERL readable, so it is Swiss
3) Charlet Moser, Chamonix (diagonal head)
4) marking could be a diamond or just a rusted hammer blow...??? rounded blade like Marty's
5) first generation GPIW Lost Arrow
lower two;
1) Army blade
2) Holubar
Elsewhere I have one of two handmade knife blades from T M Herbert and Chouinard's rap anchors from an unsuccessful early attempt on the Muir recovered by Tony Yaniro and myself in June '77 on the Dorn Direct.
It has a diamond C.
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SGropp
Mountain climber
Eastsound, Wa
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The piton that was found below the Dihedral Wall shows a definite forging flaw where the blade was fullered down from the shoulder at the eye. This was likely caused by a hammer blow of insufficient force to penetrate to the middle of the bar, causing the edges to move faster and further than the center, leading to what is called a "cold shut." This can give the appearance of a correct profile but leaves a weakness in the piece. This can also be caused by using the wrong size bar stock for the forging blank, in this case too high and thin.
This folding would be okay or even sought after as an effect in an artistic forging but would be cause for rejection in an industrial or structural application.
My understanding that Salathe was a blacksmith by trade, presumably trained in the rigorous European tradition. He would have known better than to allow a fold like this to form and the other pitons attributed to him do not show this . The rest of the piton , however shows excellent craftsmanship in the formation of the eye and shape of the blade.
By all accounts, Chouinard was a self taught blacksmith, so maybe this is one of his, perhaps an early prototype, experiment or reject. There is also the intriguing possibility that this was made by someone else altogether.
All my Chouinard pitons, bought new in the late 60's or early 70'were definitely drop forged in closed dies. When did they go from forging pitons one off in open die hammers ? And does anyone know where all the original forging hammers from the Great Pacific Ironworks ended up?
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Chicken Skinner
Trad climber
Yosemite
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That piton looks almost identical to some of the first pitons that Chouinard made given to me by Tom Frost. Keep this thread near the top and I will post some photos of Salathe pitons for you tomorrow. I can post pictures of some of his other equipment too if you want. I posted a lot of this stuff in a thread about 2 or 3 years ago but can't remember the name of it.
Ken
P.S. Chouinard still has his original forge set up in Ventura. A couple years ago I was lucky enough to make pitons with him.
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Clint Cummins
Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
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It's cool to see the diamond P stamped pitons and biners.
With the long axis horizontal instead of vertical, so the diamond C is not that much a copy.
I'm not sure I'd stamp my biners near the bend with that stamp, but I suppose it made the gear sort easier.
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karabin museum
Trad climber
phoenix, az
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Ken, Thanks for getting some Salathe photos together for us!
Salathe hangers from Salathe routes.
Old bolt hangers
--Warren Harding hanger. Original kingswing hanger from top of Boot Flake. Nose Route, El Cap, Yosemite, CA. Placed October 1958. Donated by Bryan Law.
--Royal Robbins hanger. Original 10th pitch pendulum hanger from Northwest Face route on Half Dome. Placed 1957. Donated by Jim Bridwell.
--John Salathe hanger. Original summit hanger from Lost Arrow Spire, Yosemite, CA. Placed 1947. First ascent was a rope trick. Second ascent placed the bolts. Donated by Chris McNamara.
Many pieces of gear created by manufacturers are still in crude stages while being tested. I have handfulls of prototypes to prove this. Just because a piece is not marked or is not finely finished like the catalog shows does not mean that it is not truly created by these companies, especially in these golden early days of gear creations. Many of these guys handed out their prototypes to many Yosemite climbers to get feedback on creations years before the manufacturing actually started. Let's take Dolt for example. Dolt was an absolute perfectionest! But looking at Dolts early creations used by Harding on the conquest of the Nose, 99% of the pieces he created were unmarked and crudely made. ex: Dolt Cart, Dolt Winch, flat rectangle midbend hangers, wingnut adjustable wide pitons, two stage welded eye angle pitons, and then his whole 1958 set of angle pitons were unmarked. When Dolt recreated his company in the later 1960s he reused none of his early creations except for his Dolt Holsters (Doltsters). A large angle piton I got from Jim Bridwell that was personally given to him by Dolt, when looking at it you would never claim it was a Dolt. I know this is a Salathe Thread but I am sure Salathe had some crude creations before there was a great interest in the value of his pitons.
SGropp, looking at the thread that Ken pointed out "Rope and Hammer", look at the Salathe piton that is in the photo with the two carabiners. His blade portion of the piton is folded over just like the one I have. Is this what you are talking about?
Rock on!
Marty
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Todd Gordon
Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 6, 2009 - 10:08pm PT
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Marty;...I'm not being secret...I posted a pic of it when it was for sale, but then when we decided it need to go to the museum....I just dumped the pic and forgot about the whole thing;...I'll look back in my photobucket, and get the photo;...no secrets here.....give me a few minutes, and it will be right up...it's a beauty....(by the way;....you have the cool stuff;.......if I ever have anything you wish or need, marty;....let me know;...I'd probably donate it to your cool museum collection....)..
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Clint Cummins
Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
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Marty,
Thanks for posting those photos of the bolts/hangers from the Pinnacles.
Bruce Hildenbrand and Kelly Rich had wondered where those ended up.
I'm glad to see you were interested in them.
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Todd Gordon
Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 6, 2009 - 10:23pm PT
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mucci
Trad climber
The pitch of Bagalaar above you
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Really sweet stuff here!
Thanks for the pic Todd!
Best thread EVER!!
Mucci
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Dick Erb
climber
June Lake, CA
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39 posts so far and no one has given a market value for a Salathe piton, except for Werner and his bid wouldn't last log.
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dogtown
Trad climber
JackAssVille, Wyoming
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Like anything else it’s worth what someone is willing to pay for it. Kind like some of the girls I know in Newport Beach.
Dawg.
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Eric Beck
Sport climber
Bishop, California
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Dick Erb mentioned some old Chouinard hand forged pitons I acquired from him. I gave one to an Access Fund auction many years ago in San Diego, it went for $125. The other adorns our mantle.
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SGropp
Mountain climber
Eastsound, Wa
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Marty,
Yes the fold is the same in a number of these pitons . Even though this would be considered a flaw by industry standards, in the real world use of a rock piton, I doubt this would be a cause for actual failure.
When forging such a radical change in section as where the blade meets the eye, it is very hard to avoid getting this fold in the steel. This would be even more likely with the hand hammer techniques used by Chouinard and presumably Salathe.
Even when Chouinard began using power hammers in his forging, they were relatively light. The archival photos of the GPIW shop in "Let my People Go Surfing" show them using 25# or possibly 50# Little Giant mechanical hammers. There is however, what looks like a 100# hammer under a tarp in the background in one of the photos. That hammer would have had the hit to do the job properly if set up right.
I suspect the later Chouinard pitons had the edges ground smooth to get rid of any folds and give the blade a double taper. I haven't measured the taper of the pitons I have but it looks very close to the 1-8 "holding taper" found in Morse taper tooling and power forging hammer die keys.
The pictures of the KB's in the related thread that show the forging marks from drawing the taper of the blade could have been done by hand under flat dies on a power hammer as well as by roll forging.
I'm still not sure whether the eye of the piton was punched and drifted to size while hot or was punched in cold on a punch press. Again the archival photos seem to indicate that the eye was punched cold after the blade was forged to shape . Punching and drifting the eye while hot would have given a stronger eye with better grain flow of the metal and no loss of material, although this would be a tricky operation so close to the shoulder.
I guess I'll have to go out to the shop a make a couple to see how I would actually do it.
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dogtown
Trad climber
JackAssVille, Wyoming
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If old Chouinard is worth 125.00 I would say 200.00 would be fair. What route did it come off of? And when? If I can ask? I’m sure there’s some history that Jim can ad.
Dawg.
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guido
Trad climber
Santa Cruz/New Zealand/South Pacific
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This is a good time for Hennek to jump in.
Dennis was the main forger for YC for years.
I remember one very fun trip to Eddie Shapiros (sic) in LA with Dennis, when we picked up one mechanical hammer only to drive a short distance and return to exchange it for another. These are not light units!
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karabin museum
Trad climber
phoenix, az
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Todd, Wait a minute while I wipe the tears from my face.....What a beautiful piton! Outstanding!!! We are not blaming you, we just want to see the history. THANKS TONS Todd!
Clint, The Access Fund called me up and said that they had a box of left over stuff from an auction that nobody wanted. Inside was half of the Pinnacles bolt hangers and a pair of shoes. Inside the shoes was a list of the bolt hangers where I discovered it was only half of the lot. That Neptune character in Colorado had beat me to the other half! That was the half with the handful of Salathe hangers. Once I realized what the shoes were I almost fainted! Dick Williams shoes shown on the nude climber on page 289 in the book climbing in North America,by Chris Jones. One of the original Vulgarians. I eventually contacted Gary Neptune and we did a big trade and I got the other half of the hangers.
What is a Salathe piton worth? At least $1000.00 if it has all of the document papers with it (that is clean store shelf value). If it was from Salathe as a gift and may have been used by him it could be more valuable. Once again, "one mans trash is another mans treasure." A Salathe piton has got to be the second most desired collectible piton from North America. Stoveleg piton is probably the most desired and I value that at $5000.00, and there are only 4 created. Who knows how many Salathe pitons are out there. If my piton is truly a Salathe, it is worth only $50 or so due to condition and no history documentation.
Below is a photo of Salathe gear out of the Book Climbing in North America pg 191.
Rock on! Marty
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WBraun
climber
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Stoveleg piton is probably the most desired and I value that at $5000.00,
Holy sh'it!!!!!!!!!
I'm going to dive into the dumpster .........
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SGropp
Mountain climber
Eastsound, Wa
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The hell with making stair railings, I going to retool to crank out genuine Salathe "artifakes"
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bhilden
Trad climber
Mountain View, CA
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Marty,
when we rebolted the historic routes on the Hand at Pinnacles National Monument in 1997, Kelly Rich removed two pitons that were driven into cracks on the belay knob at the top of pitch 1. Along with the bolts in your photo I also sent the pins to the Access Fund for future fundraising auctions. When I contacted the AF a few years back to see where all that stuff went, they couldn't tell me.
I am not sure that these two pins were originally Salathe's, but it would be nice to know where they ended up so we can attempt to verify their origin. As I remember, I believe they were ring angles. I am not sure if Salathe made any ring angles. Can you help out here?
Bruce
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karabin museum
Trad climber
phoenix, az
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Bruce, No clue where the pitons went. Maybe Gary Neptune (Neptune Mtneering in CO) obtained them from the auction as well. If the pitons were in with the hangers then Neptune is my best guess. I only knew of and got the hangers and shoes. Do you still have a list of everything that was auctioned overall? What I obtained is absolute gold! I can only imagine! Maybe the items were not displayed correctly to get the full value of the pieces, or people did not know what they were looking at.
The ring angle piton in the photo above is a Salathe. But the text says that it is rare.
Photo below is the auction hangers I got overall. Remember nobody bid even a penny on these. The Access Fund came to me to get them off of their hands. This is a fabulous set of historic hangers dating into the 40's. Unbelievable history here. Toss a rusty Salathe piton on the table and I bet it would be the same. Maybe one taker at 15 bucks. People just have no clue what they are looking at. I love this set of hangers!!! (Red borders)
Rock on!
Marty
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Quite a collection of funkies.
I still have a Dolt keyhole and a pile of new Leepers.
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Dick Erb
climber
June Lake, CA
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Chouinard must have a few Salathes. He repeated many of his routes looking for pitons. I remember him coming back form Little Yosemite proudly holding a John Salathe piton. When Chuck Wilts heard about this he said something like, "Gosh we thought the fifty five cents he was asking for them was a little high".
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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My bud Toby from the UK visited Yosemite about two years ago. Plucked a Salathe from some highway. Apparently he had gotten off route.
It was kinda small, I wish I had taken a picture. It makes a great bottle opener on his key chain.
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Eric Reynolds
climber
CO
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I've got three Salathé pitons given to me by on old family friend who climbed with John Salathé.
My friend grew up in the Bay Area and as a teen was in a Sierra Club rock climbing group that had Salathé, Steck, and Bedayn as instructors/mentors for kids like him. This was pre-1950 years. I am 100% positive of the provenance of these pitons as being made by John Salathé himself. The stories told to me were quite great.
About ten years ago I was given a few pieces of off his old rack that had been hanging on a nail in the garage for decades. Here are some photos.
I want to sell them to finance my move the Rwanda to start up a social sector enterprise there. Open to advice and inquiries.
Eric Reynolds
ereynolds-boulder@comcast.net
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BooDawg
Social climber
Paradise Island
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I don’t remember where I acquired the piton shown below. It’s certainly a pre-GPIW horizontal forged from chrome-moly. It looks most like a Chouinard hand forged one, but its markings say that it’s not. Most obviously, are the “S” and “H” hand stamped, probably after the paint was applied. If the pin is inverted, it could actually mean “H. S.” which might be Herb Swedlund. Did he ever use turquoise paint to mark his pegs and place them similar to this one? Roper’s “Green Guide” shows that Steve Herrero made the FAs of “Try Again Ledge” & “Bacchigaloupe Wall” in the Yosemite Falls area; he may have owned the pin as well. At any rate, directly underneath the “H” is a circular mark that was probably a part of the original manufacturing process. Any guesses about who made this or similar pitons? In Chouinard’s article “Modern Yosemite Climbing” in the 1963 AAJ, he mentions that Jerry Gallwas forged some chome-moly pins for the FA of HD’s NW face? How did he mark his pins, if at all? Comments welcome.
Recently, this thread has been running parallel to another here on Taco, so check this one out:
Help with vintage pitons???
http://www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/1104287/Help_with_vintage_pitons
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guido
Trad climber
Santa Cruz/New Zealand/South Pacific
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The only place Herb ever used turquoise paint was on his girlfriend's toes.
Dam, starting to sound like Donini.
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BooDawg
Social climber
Paradise Island
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That's the point: The paint was applied BEFORE H.S. or S. H. acquired it...
I wonder if turquoise nail polish would attract as much fetishtic attention as that on the Bible thread...
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Patrick Oliver
Boulder climber
Fruita, Colorado
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I have some European pitons that seem to be about exactly
like that Salathe piton (one of the first picture posts on
this thread). They were relatively common in Europe, and
I wonder if he didn't have some, in addition to any he might
have forged himself.
Right now I have all sorts of classics, one hand-forged by Jerry
Gallwas that went up the NW Face of Half Dome on the first ascent,
with Royal and Sherrick, then got stuck in Bat Crack at Tahquitz,
and Rearick removed it...
Pat
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Chicken Skinner
Trad climber
Yosemite
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Here are a few photos of some Salathe gear. One of the more distinctive features of many of Salathe's Arrows are grooves running lengthwise down the blade.
A selection of his pins.
Bedayn carabiner on the right and an oversize aluminum carabiner on the left with a piton below.
Drill handle and bit.
Bolts and hangers.
The grooves can be seen a little bit in this photo.
His rope.
His hammer.
Ken
P.S. I wonder how many of these were sent out and whether any others survive.
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Watusi
Social climber
Newport, OR
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Quite the interesting thread to be sure!!
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Roots
Mountain climber
Tustin, CA
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Sep 10, 2015 - 08:42am PT
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Recently bought through eBay:
Both pitons pulled from routes at Mt. Diablo.
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mucci
Trad climber
The pitch of Bagalaar above you
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Sep 10, 2015 - 10:20am PT
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Damn Roots,
Did you pay the $800 asking price?
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Roots
Mountain climber
Tustin, CA
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Sep 10, 2015 - 01:19pm PT
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I can honestly answer: NO
it was more!...urgh...
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