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hooblie

climber
from where the anecdotes roam
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 2, 2010 - 02:16pm PT
second verse same as the first. has anything changed? are trip wires and armed aliens a matter for the national guard... yet?

this makes me as livid as ever, and i've otherwise got pretty good tolerance for bs, IMO


http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_DRUG_WAR_POT_FARMS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
The user formerly known as stzzo

climber
Sneaking up behind you
Mar 2, 2010 - 02:32pm PT
Step 1: Boycott it or only buy from known non-invasive sources. Don't be part of the problem.

Step 2: Spread the word to all your friends who use it that, unless they are certain that their supply comes from a non-invasive farm, until it's legal they're f*#king up the forest and bringing invaders to the country.

Step 3: Legalize it. Vastly increase competition and take away the profit margin and the need to defend the farms.

Step 4: Then go in and clean up the few remaining farms in the forest.
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Mar 2, 2010 - 02:56pm PT
Free trade, all natural, no preservatives and hormones free range pot?

"...Millions of marijuana plants" I'm calling bullsh#t on that story. Is that the best they can do? All those alledged millions of pot plants and they get a picture which shows a small container of Green Light Many purpose dust, which is produced for peoples gardens. That must have been an exceedingly small pot farm to have such a small container. What is that? 5 plants? The picture could have been in the reporters backyard. As far as the story "illegal fertilizers", WTF is that? Anything NOT made by Monsanto? Total bullsh#t.


" * New formulation is odorless, works indoors and outdoors, long-lasting.
* Kills insects for up to 8 months. Contains Deltamethrin.
* Controls ants (including fire ants and carpenter ants), centipedes, cockroaches, crickets, fleas, millipedes, scorpions, spiders, sowbugs (pillbugs) and many other insect pests.
* For use on shrubs, ornamentals and flowers - including roses, petunias and other related flowers.
* Available in 1 lb. shaker cans.
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A 1lb shaker can is doing millions of pot acres? WTF? Thats like Jesus and doing the Bread thing to feed the multitudes. Can we then assume that Jesus is the Mexican responsible here that he can stretch a 1 lb can of garden dust to stretch over a million plants? W00T!

....anyway, once we get all the Pot users rounded up and locked in jail, all this will disappear anyway. Make sure that there's some climbing walls so everyone feels right at home though.

This story was probably planted by one of the police agencys -like the Forest Service police, to increase their budget and expand their powers.
myterious

Trad climber
Joshua Tree
Mar 2, 2010 - 03:52pm PT

If we'd actually enforce our imigration laws, we would not have these problems. We knowingly and willingly allow an eromous black labor market to exists, and then fret when those in the the in black labor market turn to criminal and destrucive activities. Both political parties have been criminally negligent in not enforcing immigration laws, and now our public land and citizen pay the price.


MM
hooblie

climber
from where the anecdotes roam
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 2, 2010 - 04:15pm PT
these little tit for tat skirmishes don't please me. the status quo is well served by agencies, user groups, and growers who enjoy inflated prices by current policies. the conundrum feeds into the hands of medical dispenseries and their customers...i don't care to debate such things from the viewpoint of tired old constituencies.

we, i mean WE the users and owners, are impacted by the militarization of the public lands where lame bureaucratic responses at the token level (meaning rangers with side arms) fail to solve problems which demand the attention at the full alert patriot level, and WE are caught hiding behind the vested interests of neutered government minions. edit: unfair, they're outgunned, the higher ups decide.

bolting wars were hardly preparation for real turf wars involving what kind of assumptions will prevail regarding the public lands.

am i off the mark here, or should we make room for foriegn cartels in the land of many uses?
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Mar 3, 2010 - 01:14am PT
What are you saying Hooblie? I'm sorry, I don't understand your point.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Why'djya leave the ketchup on the table?
Mar 3, 2010 - 07:34am PT
If we'd actually enforce our imigration laws, we would not have these problems.

There are plenty of born Americans perfectly happy to trash public lands for their personal profit.

DMT
enjoimx

Big Wall climber
SLO Cal
Mar 3, 2010 - 07:41am PT
If we'd actually enforce our imigration laws, we would not have these problems. We knowingly and willingly allow an eromous black labor market to exists, and then fret when those in the the in black labor market turn to criminal and destrucive activities. Both political parties have been criminally negligent in not enforcing immigration laws, and now our public land and citizen pay the price.


MM

Well yeah, but...the problem is more in that there is a huge demand for an illegal good.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Why'djya leave the ketchup on the table?
Mar 3, 2010 - 07:42am PT
Prohibitioners never ever GET THAT.

Ever.

DMT
Anastasia

Mountain climber
hanging from a crimp and crying for my mama.
Mar 3, 2010 - 08:22am PT
Really legalize smoking, make it much easier for people to legally grow it on their land, create an easier distribution process, plus tax and regulate the process. It will create much needed revenue for the state, create jobs, and... It will no longer be profitable to grow it on hidden illegal farms run by shady characters.

I know a few folks that would love to make it one of their cash crops. Yet because the state has not clearly legalize growing, they can't risk it.

AFS
enjoimx

Big Wall climber
SLO Cal
Mar 3, 2010 - 10:03am PT
Legalization would also relinquish some of the stigma surrounding weed, stigma that ironically makes it attractive to some people. I think, for all the people worried about possible negative social effects of legalized pot, its very possible that legalization would decrease the attractiveness of the drug, much like what is going on now with cigarettes and alcohol, both being demonized for their negative health effects.
hooblie

climber
from where the anecdotes roam
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 3, 2010 - 10:34am PT
dingus, nothing but net! i hear it can get a little testy in truffle country, what is it ginko in the east?
that uranium frenzy post war sure impacted the colorado plateau.

you spoze post legalization it will be sooo cheap that the encroachment will be strictly by the docile, and pushback by the budget strapped agencies will be able to tidy up just fine or should a CULTURAL message of zero tolerance be sent in the present tense?

no worries couch, it's a rant. if you're not already prone to incitement, i can be a little abstract.
maybe just look for rimes, double entendre, cagey conjugations... brazen alliteration.
there's something for everyone! you tease ok i hope :)

notice the dropped period on final paragraphs? brilliant. ahead of it's time
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Why'djya leave the ketchup on the table?
Mar 3, 2010 - 10:44am PT
I'll state it again - prohibition doesn't work. A cultural message of zero tolerance DOESN'T EXIST.

Now wax on brother.

DMT
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Mar 3, 2010 - 10:47am PT
No Hooblie, I just learned last night that the Forest service police have put cameras on all the national forest development roads around here. Last year they took a trackhoe and dug deep pits on all the logging spur roads off the main gravel road of a road I've been using extensively. At the time, I figured that they just wanted the roads to disappear and the forest to naturally regenerate. 2 weeks ago I was up hiking into my climbing area and when I came out, bumped into an armed forest service patrol....something I find new, strange, unneeded and unwelcome. Yet I did know one of the guys and we did the hail fellow well met thing.....

..now I'm thinking that they were blocking off the little side roads so that they can monitor and supervise us subjects better as we parade about the Kings forest.

When I see stories like that linked above, it reminds me that my lil brother, who works for the federal government, often send stories into the papers. One time, they sent in this huge press release, and the newspaper printed it word for word with the exception of the added first paragraph suggesting that they had been doing investigative journalism, and the byline. IT WAS THE HEADLINE FRONT PAGE STORY! and took up most of the front page and was continued on the back pages.

That bullshit story is most likely a press release to get you fired up so that when they lock down the forests and it's worse than anything Orwell could dream up in 1984, you are compliant.
hooblie

climber
from where the anecdotes roam
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 3, 2010 - 10:52am PT
^^^ exactly the price i'm unwilling to pay. we must rid ourselves of these rats.

glad to see your temperature rising

~~~~~

"A cultural message of zero tolerance DOESN'T EXIST."

to stop the abuse of the forest?... polluting the streams?... setting booby traps?... burning 75 sq. miles at a time? ... threatening hikers?

quit casting it as a stoner thing, i'm not talking about our right to party
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Mar 3, 2010 - 11:04am PT
OK, so you're saying that the government, and their thug like armed intrusions, are more dangerous than the pot growers this artificial is decrying?
hooblie

climber
from where the anecdotes roam
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 3, 2010 - 11:07am PT
part and parcel of the degradation. i'm reacting to the whole militarization that's afoot in the hobbit.

the mexican army has it's hands full. their late response was predated by a tolerant environment. the little people naively
nurtured the establishment of the gangs by neglecting to call bs at the grass roots level. we should take a lesson.

waiting for politicians to come around to seeing it cheech's way, proposing that the problem will dry up and blow away
when cartel accountants call for layoffs in the forest cause "pot's so cheap it doesn't pencil out"
is NON-RESPONSIVE at best
noshoesnoshirt

climber
Arkansas, I suppose
Mar 3, 2010 - 11:16am PT
Hooble said:

"you spoze post legalization it will be sooo cheap that the encroachment will be strictly by the docile..."

Yah, that'll never work. I mean, just look at all the illicit tobacco crops blighting our forests.

Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Dec 28, 2012 - 06:15pm PT
Enjomix, good point

Legalization would also relinquish some of the stigma surrounding weed, stigma that ironically makes it attractive to some people. I think, for all the people worried about possible negative social effects of legalized pot, its very possible that legalization would decrease the attractiveness of the drug, much like what is going on now with cigarettes and alcohol, both being demonized for their negative health effects.
Cloudraker

Sport climber
San Diego, CA
Dec 28, 2012 - 08:50pm PT
You will never manage to find all the major water sources and growing spots in a state the size of Cali, its flat impossible, there aren't enough helicopters, patrol officers and other resources in the WORLD to cover Cali alone. A man can actually cover only a few acres a day at most. How many people would it take to cover 100,000 square miles, at what, 640 acres per square mile, assuming visits twice a year in the growth season, a ten hour day and a budget of lets say 10 trillion dollars?

High res satellite imagery with near-infrared band(s) covering the exttent of California forests would do the trick for advanced detection of outdoor grow ops. Collect early summer imagery, look for landcover veg features in the forest that are anomalous, send in armed airborne drones to have a closer look, followed by narco agents for the pre-harvest crop tear down and bust.

Problem solved!
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