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LEB

climber
Glen Gardner
Aug 28, 2005 - 10:56pm PT
Congrads Aunt Rainbow - you are going to make a great auntie!

Lois
Michael Moron

Social climber
Davison, MI
Aug 28, 2005 - 11:07pm PT
I think ouch and matt start more non-climbing bullshit posts than the rest of the ST users combined.

Ouch!

climber
Aug 28, 2005 - 11:11pm PT
I agree, if both sides are not enjoying it, it's time to call in the dogs, pee on the fire, blow out the lantern and head for the house.
JuanDeFuca

Big Wall climber
Chatsworth
Aug 28, 2005 - 11:16pm PT
Sorry,

I will go back on my meds.

Juan
Ouch!

climber
Aug 28, 2005 - 11:22pm PT
Lois, you asked about what being trolled meant. Well, the Moron just tried to troll me with a weak lame. A lame is when some genius tries to set water on fire with a paper match.
LEB

climber
Glen Gardner
Aug 28, 2005 - 11:35pm PT
Ouch,

I actually feel safer now that Michael is here. Honest to God, Ouch, the venom Dirtineye was spewing forth earlier in this thread at T*R and me was scaring the s___ out of me. We are not guys and have no defense if some out of control man were to track us down and come after us because we pushed his buttons. I was literally just defending T*R because I like her and because other people (like Michael, for example) have defended me. Suddenly, this man goes off the deep end spewing out hateful remarks like nothing I have ever witnessed here before in this forum or anywhere else on line. All because I asked him (nicely, mind you) not to pick on a sweet young woman who is probably half his age. I was just trying to protect her.

The truth be told, I was glad when MM showed up. I was thinking of emailing him and asking him to drop in on the thread. I feel much better now that he is here. Ouch, you are very funny and when you and MM go at it, it is quite amusing. What this man did was not funny, it was scarey.

Lois
dirtineye

Trad climber
the south
Aug 28, 2005 - 11:36pm PT
Lois, take a pill.

You don't really believe all that nonsense you spew do you?

BTW, have you considered working for homeland security, the TSA, or some other para-military covert government agency, where your venom, vitriol, and general paranoia could be put to better use?

You need some serious time in the time out chair, Lois.



Ass for the rest of you PC wankers, you act like you've never been around any climbers at all.

Oh and Lois, T1 on your latest effort. Nice try though! And if you are serious, I only travel great distances to see people I actually know and like and have things in common with. That makes you quite safe.
Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Aug 29, 2005 - 12:02am PT
For MikeL

My guess is that the forum is more than a luxury item extra for a publisher's website. It also brings in beta and history that's valuable in the writing of those books, and the activity in the forum rises the Supertopo profile on search engines.

Ironically, it was just earlier this year, late last year, that the supertopo forum was all the buzz, the place to be. In fact, it's never been better. We have Werner Braun, Duecey, Fish, Eric Kohl, Breedlove and a host of other old schoolers from back in the day sharing their thoughts here. How cool is that? Many of the folks here wouldn't feel comfortable approaching these guys in the camp 4 parking lot but here, in this venue, we're more equal, and we're being in community.

When the forum first started, it was infinitely nastier and unhelpful than it is now. Some folks like it that way, but I think it got better when you had to register.

I think Chris would be right not to fiddle too hard with a good thing. A little medicine is all it takes.

My guess is that we got a tad overheated here and there at the wrong time, and that Hardman and others pulled Chris's chain about it. (Sorry Dave if I'm speculating about you)

Rumors of problems in the forum are greatly exaggerated. We have a thread on adjustable daisies with the Lord Gods of Aid weighing in with technical details and slander too. My guess is that too restrictive a forum will kill the content that brings their perverse minds in for a visit, and then get sucked into helping with info.

Life is good. Sometimes folks have bad days. See above.

Peace

karl
MikeL

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Aug 29, 2005 - 08:59am PT
Hiya, Karl:

I should have sent my comments directly to Chris. I can see that now. My bad.

Actually, Iím not mad at anyone. In fact, I donít have enough time to cruise this site like most of you, so I canít really get that passionately involved in most of the conversations here. (Please donít take that wrong, either.) The title of this thread caught my eye though.

I was providing another viewpoint to Chris that, as a CEO (as he is) of a company, he should be thinking about. Management and leadership are demanding challenges, and sometimes hard decisions need to be made so that an organization serves others best.

I donít doubt that people get value out of the Forum (hey, look at all the posts). Thatís not the point. The point is that all resources are scarce, and every organization should think long and hard about where they spend them, especially little companies.

Brand name / equity may be the most valuable asset that Supertopo has (other than market access to network contacts); hence brand must constantly be built and nurtured with those scarce resources. To undertake any activity that does not build or nurture brand spends it. Do that too long (squander resources), and a company wonít have enough to further the organization, its mission, or properly serve customers. Itís one of the biggest reasons why past successful companies die off every year: they donít focus, they prematurely diversify, and they get distracted. You may not know it, but the membership of the Fortune 500 changes by 50% every 25 years. There is a reason for that: they get full of themselves, they think they can do anything and everything, and they lose focus on a target customer group and its needs.

My comments were business comments. Perhaps they are inappropriate here on Supertopo. Iíll keep that in mind next time.

Peace out, Karl.

ml
Mick K

climber
Northern Sierra
Aug 29, 2005 - 09:33am PT
Real names for all posters would cause eveyone to think twice.

Own what you say.

Fattrad have you ever given your real name or are you afraid?
fattrad

Mountain climber
bay area
Aug 29, 2005 - 09:40am PT
No I haven't, but here it is. Jeffrey Elfont. have fun on the search engines



Jody's evil twin...AKA: Dr. Strangelove.
maculated

Trad climber
San Luis Obispo, CA
Aug 29, 2005 - 09:51am PT
Caaaaaaaaaaaaaan you feel the loooooooooooooooooove tonight?
Mick K

climber
Northern Sierra
Aug 29, 2005 - 09:55am PT
Fattrad-I always though you were actually Jody. Never saw you two in the same place.
fattrad

Mountain climber
bay area
Aug 29, 2005 - 10:05am PT
I've told everyone for months that.....I'M JODY'S EVIL TWIN!!!!!.



Jody's evil twin....AKA: Dr. Strangelove.
Matt

Trad climber
places you shouldn't talk about in polite company
Aug 29, 2005 - 10:06am PT
...or his evil overweight unwelcome uncle that always looks at the neighbor kids in a way that creeps everyone out.
fattrad

Mountain climber
bay area
Aug 29, 2005 - 10:12am PT
Not sure if this is appropriate here or not but here goes.............STFU Mutt.

Please read the arrested thread for you may soon be enjoying the ammenities of the John Muir Hotel.


Jody's evil twin....AKA: Dr. Strangelove.
Largo

Sport climber
Venice, Ca
Aug 29, 2005 - 10:15am PT
Dirtineye wrote:

Viagra Lardo wrote:

"RC.com seems to bring out the worst in me, so I'm better off over here by far.

JL"

From what I can see, Crimpergirl brings out the worst in you, in either forum, and from what she tells me, she gets a real laugh out of doing so."

Good to know I'm keeping the mood light. The fact that you've swerved the thread into this rut is another reason to have two channels for this forum--one for climbing related stuff, another for us to clown around.

JL
Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Aug 29, 2005 - 10:35am PT
For MikeL

I have done bad too. I understood your comments were business comments and the first lines of my reply addressed to you were business comments too. Then, without noting it, I started babbling about the forum in general. It's my opinion that an active and even controversial forum is highly beneficial to the Supertopo brand, and that the less it's moderated, the less time and resource it cost's Chris.

For everybody else

This thread cracks me up. It's like when the bad kids are lined up in front of mom and dad to explain why they were fighting and they start pointing fingers and fighting all over again!

Jeff, kudos for coming out of the closet, I mean, boardroom. Can I call you Jeff in the forum now or do you want to stay "fatty?"

Peace

karl
fattrad

Mountain climber
bay area
Aug 29, 2005 - 10:38am PT
Karl,

Keep using Fatty, it reminds me to stay away from the Burger King across the street.


Jody's evil twin....AKA: Dr. Strangelove.
Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Aug 29, 2005 - 11:03am PT
You should Invade Burger King Fatty!

It's obviously an anti-democratic institution that need to be occupied!

And they have weapons of Ass Contruction! WACs

Peace

karl
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