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Patrick Sawyer

Originally California now Ireland
Jan 22, 2013 - 02:50pm PT
Elcapinyourazz, I disagree. A lot of the older Taco Standers have children/grandchildren and such that are learning to climb. So if you want Geritol go to the AARP website.

The Taco Stand, in my opinion, has longevity. Perhaps you and I do not. But don't diss those of us who contribute. Yeah, at 56, I can't climb what I could at 26. Big deal. IMO this is a forum for people who have a common understanding and joy of climbing in life.

We cannot turn back the years, but we can rejoice, and for the younger ones, perhaps some more understanding.

Why such negativity? You wouldn't happen to be partners with Ken M, would you (okay mean on my part, but...)

And goddamn it, why can't some of you people reveal your real names. What are you afraid of?

Social climber
Joshua Tree
Jan 22, 2013 - 03:00pm PT
don't diss those of us who contribute

And what, pray tell, have you contributed with actual climbing content? Just to be clear, mentioning that there is a quarry nearby your home does not constitute "climbing content".

Patrick Sawyer

Originally California now Ireland
Jan 22, 2013 - 03:08pm PT
People, I am trying my best to be a good carer for a lovely woman with a medical condition. I hope that I do not come across as an a**hole.

I was not a top climber in the Valley, more like second, probably third tier.

But I think this forum does not deserve some of the comments people have posted.

I find the Taco Stand refreshing, intriguing and sad at times.

Perhaps I am wrong, but one or two people have said (or have indicated by their remarks) the forum is on its dying legs. Because some of us are old farts, or whatever.

Well then people, go elsewhere. Go to whatever forum you wish to express on on. Obviously, several posters do not like this forum. Well, then leave and find one to your liking.

There are new generations of climbers, many brought up by Supertopians, that deserve the richness, history and variety of such a forum. Not negative BS.

So just leave if you don't like it.

ChrisMac may have this forum to help sell books, but he has also kept it open for all of us, with little moderation. Perhaps some of us could use some moderation in our posts.

If you don't like it, don't contribute and leave. Good riddance.

Thanks Chris Mac, I like this forum. An honest forum for the most part, with some BS on the side, perhaps even some of my own.


And one more tidbit...

I may be suffering from depression, certainly stress, being a full-time carer, so take with a grain of salt what I write.

Best wishes to all for 2013.



Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Jan 22, 2013 - 03:20pm PT
Don't change a thing. The line, and consquences, seem clear enough. All the craziness and randomness mixed with the climbing is what keeps the interest and energy level up.

There is junk and gems and everthing in between. Just like life. Roll with it!
Patrick Sawyer

Originally California now Ireland
Jan 22, 2013 - 03:34pm PT
And what, pray tell, have you contributed with actual climbing content? Just to be clear, mentioning that there is a quarry nearby your home does not constitute "climbing content".

Correct Elcapinyourazz, not much.

Just an affinity with fellow climbers.

I'd love to say I climbed the Cassin Ridge, or Walkers Spur on the Grand Jorasses, or Cho Oyu and Ama Dablam (my dreams).

I'd love to give trip reports on how I climbed in Patagonia. But I can't. Because I haven't. But I have been a climber for some 42 years. Not the best, not top notch, but it is my love.

Elcapinyourazz, if you cannot understand me, it is more your loss than mine. Just keep climbing to what your heart says and of course, good solids anchors. Seriously. I am not dissing you, but you seem to think not so much of me. Fine,that is your choice. I do not wish you ill. Be safe dude.

and there may be some climbs in the Quarry that you may...

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Jan 22, 2013 - 03:40pm PT
There is no future.
There is only now.

Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
Jan 22, 2013 - 03:44pm PT
i don't know, i posted a topic late last night and now it is on page 4,

my transformer post at the audio forum has been on page 1 for a week,

place moves quick=advertising $$$,

if it ain't broke, jus sayin....

is there a button you can click to see how many people are online?

Dave Kos

Social climber
Jan 22, 2013 - 03:50pm PT
WELD_IT was young.
Patrick Sawyer

Originally California now Ireland
Jan 22, 2013 - 03:53pm PT
Good for them Anders. That just may prove a certain person wrong about this forum 'dying'. Like I wrote earlier, there are a new generation of climbers, and let's hope this forum helps them learn and develop. And enjoy the banter without the negative BS some people write.

And be able to see through such BS.

Anders, I have not been to the Rockies, Himalayas or Andes lately, just a little old crag nearby, just a local quarry as one poster puts it, that is my input on climbing content so such a person says.

Well, I'll post up my next trip to Everest (North Face) to shut this person up.
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Jan 22, 2013 - 03:54pm PT
I think everybody should act differently.
Patrick Sawyer

Originally California now Ireland
Jan 22, 2013 - 03:58pm PT
+1 ^^^
Don Paul

Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
Jan 22, 2013 - 03:59pm PT
I never looked at this as a "climbing" forum but rather a forum were climbers (our clan) can discuss anything and everything.

Don't know how I became part of the clan or when I first I realized it. Climbing influenced me on a very deep level, and for some reason I consider climbers to be my peers and see things the way I do, even if they are expressing totally opposite views on some subject. (guns, boobs or whatever) I have no idea why but its something that stuck a long time ago.

There is definitely a campfire environment here and I wouldnt trade it for reading climbing magazine. I'm also more interested in stories about some gumbies learning how to rappel on El Cap, than about some famous name dude and the incredible things he can do. Epics, heroic failures, near death experiences, total screw-ups, gripping scary stories, that kind of thing is more interesting.

Also, whatever the forum is supposed to be about, what it's really about is YOSEMITE rock climbing.

Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
Jan 22, 2013 - 04:01pm PT
well look at a typical outing,

one guy climbing, one cig smokin beer drinkin guy belaying,

and 5 others sittin round jus a jawin to pass the time till they rope up,


Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Jan 22, 2013 - 04:02pm PT
For me, at least, the "off topic" stuff is easy to filter out if I don't find it interesting. And the fact that a particular thread is "non-climbing" on a climbing forum makes it "on topic" for me for one simple reason:

I have a lot more prima facie respect for people here, even the ones with which I strongly disagree, than the "main street" blow-hards. We're blow-hards here too. But it's largely a collection of blow-hards that do (or have done) things that make their opinions matter to me more than those of non-climbers.

Climbers have a certain core perspective that is quite different from the fundamentally risk-averse thinking that drives most people. For me, that core perspective makes even "off topic" threads very much on topic. I would really miss hearing climbers' perspectives of a whole range of subjects.

The fact that it's a climbers' forum makes threads "climbers' politics," "climbers' science," "climbers' religion," etc. That matters to me, and the eclectic mix of topics is appealing. Again, easy to filter out that which doesn't interest me.

Regarding abusive posting, etc., I'm all for banning real offenders on a case by case basis. Of course, the lines are hard to draw. Some very respected climbers would be banned for, for example, defamation, etc. Having spent my share of time on the receiving end, I would still say to most complainers: "Grow a thicker skin, and buck up." We're climbers, after all. We can't take it?

All due respect, Chris, and I mean that... There's little to fix here, imho. Please don't let a few squeaky wheels ruin a unique online environment. It's (mostly) all good.

Jan 22, 2013 - 04:03pm PT
Well spoken, Madbolter.

I do wonder though if setting up a separate tab for OT posts will allow easier access to those people who just want to keep their focus on the climbing, while also allowing for the climber discussions of politics, religions, and current events to remain lively.

Boulder climber
Somewhere on 395
Jan 22, 2013 - 04:05pm PT
Oh and as to purpose of this web site? ITS TO SELL GUIDEBOOKS YOU F*#KING MORONS.

you can call names if you like Craig, but your answer is only partially correct.
If Chris just wanted to sell climbing books, he would just be another Chesslers.

But, Chris has also written trip reports, and is now doing gear reviews.

ask yourself why Ammon, E, or T2 don't contribute much. I know that E spends all is free time climbing, but when he does post, he laments the lack of climbing threads.
Patrick Sawyer

Originally California now Ireland
Jan 22, 2013 - 04:15pm PT
Yes, I am guilty as anybody in not contributing climbing threads.

Jeez, I wish I could do a TR about Ben Nevis ice, or Chamonix (both places I have been but little climbing). It is for the climbing camaraderie that I like.

But some people have tried to shoot me down, and I do not need that. So I am only climbing at HVS/5.9 level nowadays, when the weather permits.

But I have tried to keep my flames at the lowest possible heating point.

I guess I should just shut my mouth and lurk from now on. It's safer, considering how some posters can be mean.

I have enough on my plate than to be judged by some chancers.

Trad climber
SeKi, California
Jan 22, 2013 - 05:09pm PT
All my cyber climbing buddies are here and mostly its easier to read the World's latest headlines here because they are generally more update, specially localy. There is also some sage climbing advice and history to be had from a talent pool of climbing legends bar none! I like it all but maybe there should be a ratio of like 4 climbing to 1 OT?? And, I love reading all the Trip Reports, its lurker dues!
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
-A race of corn eaters
Jan 22, 2013 - 05:18pm PT


Mountain climber
Olympia, WA
Jan 22, 2013 - 05:28pm PT
The First Amendment rules at any campfire, which this is. With that said, one cannot yell "fire" in a crowded hall either. CM has done a great job keeping moderation to a minimum so as to keep this place relevant, free and curious. I ignore threads that do not interest me, as others should. Just like wandering around the campground - leave those fires where the talk or music is not your style, and chime in at those that are. There are social limits to acceptability of posts, which reach toward yelling "fire" in a crowded hall, but they are rare and blatant. Racism, I think, is one of them. Let CM make the call.
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