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JuanDeFuca
Big Wall climber
Stoney Point
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Topic Author's Original Post - Aug 11, 2009 - 02:31pm PT
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Do I have to go to the back of the line again?
Juan
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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Aug 11, 2009 - 02:34pm PT
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For you - weekly colonoscopy.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Aug 11, 2009 - 02:58pm PT
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Obamacare requires that gays have to have abortions.
But most importantly, Fattrad has enough money.
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Nefarius
Big Wall climber
Fresno
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Aug 11, 2009 - 03:28pm PT
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White males are always at the back of the line, Juan. Why would you think that's changed?
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Aug 11, 2009 - 03:42pm PT
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fattrad wrote:
It won't affect me, plenty of docs will just take cash to get to the front of the line. Same way it works in England.
I'm reminded of this classic 30 second clip:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3JdcnFZIJw
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jstan
climber
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Aug 11, 2009 - 04:08pm PT
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JDF:
If you can schedule it between your weekly colonoscopies you might copy this thread to ST's political thread and then nuke this one.
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Bill
climber
San Francisco
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Aug 11, 2009 - 04:44pm PT
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Juan, with any luck psychiatric care will be covered, and you and other AWMs will be ushered to the front of the line, in restraints if necessary.
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tolman_paul
Trad climber
Anchorage, AK
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Aug 11, 2009 - 04:54pm PT
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I'm thinking they'll still be angry, and white.
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Ed Bannister
Mountain climber
Riverside, CA
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Aug 11, 2009 - 05:39pm PT
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it will look something like this:
ref applican 44- 436579a
Your application for immediate care of left arm tendonitis has been
rejected.
Immediate care is reserved for injuries or conditions with HRS score
44 or higher.
Your condition has been referred to the local evaluation office, for
evaluation by a HRS Evaluator GS 9.
You may make an appointment at your local evaluation office on
Tuesdays from 8-12 and from 2-4pm.
Evaluation appoinments are normally scheduled for Wednesdays and
Thursdays from 10 am to noon, and from 2pm to 4 pm in your zone of
residence only.
Evaluation appointments do not provide treatment or medicine, but
prioritize or confirm your actual need to see a doctor.
Your evaluation is very important and your total point score is not
affected by age, ethnicity or religion, but may be influenced by your
medical history and your geographic location.
You may also be referred to receive further testing or diagnostic
imaging before seeing a Physician or Physician's assistant. Blood,
sputum, stool,
urine, hair or other tissue samples may be required as standard
testing and screening for your area. If you do not supply all samples,
an HRS will not
be issued.
Refer to Federal publication My Health Rank 88274E1 (English) or
88274S3(Spanish) should you have further questions about your Health
Rank
Score or HRS.
HRS determines your priority or eligibility for an appointment, your
HRS does not determine your eligibility for treatment.
Treatment priority scores are scaled according to the availability and
cost of that treatment, and provider availability, for your zone,
district, and
region.
Scales of immediacy, procedure outcome percentages, smoking status,
glycemic index, cholesterol level, weight, and age also apply to
determine your
Sliding ScaleTreatment Score.
Learn more about SSTS from publication Treatment Eligibility 8946E2,
or 8946S3(Spanish)
If you wish to appeal your scored HRS, or SSTS, appeals may be made
online only, through the Office of Federal Healthcare Evaluation and
Review, apply
only to your regional office. Confirmation of receipt of your
application should be made within six weeks of initial review of your
request for review
of your case, actual review of your case will be made on a later date.
the following factors remain:
Healthcare in the USA is the best obtainable in the world.
The best surgeons and procedures are in the USA.
The most effective drugs in the world are developed and produced in the USA.
While flawed, healthcare in the USA is still the best system.
If Obamacare is instituted, and you imagine to yourself
that the level of care will remain the same
because you think that there will be as many caregivers,
you do know that a layer of governmental regulation and payment will be added to the system.
The net change if care were to remain the same, would be increased cost.
or what would more predictably happen, the population of health care givers will decrease,
supply for services will decrease, access for the average family of us citizens will decrease.
While access will go down, not up as we are being led to believe,
excellence will fade as a Post Office, DMV, IRS,
Bureau of Land Management, kind of mentality pervades it's way through
the system that once awarded excellence,
at least as far as it could fight it's way through the already choking federal regulations.
edit for Ricky, no it aint perfect, it is flawed, but go anywhere else, it's worse.
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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Aug 11, 2009 - 05:53pm PT
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How Ed, would that system be worse than our present one where after paying over $128,000 in joint premiums (self + employer) into the the healthcare system over a 30 year period - when my wife finally had to use the system to address a breast cancer issue - we were immediately canceled and instead offered a "guarantee coverage" plan with a price tag 5 times our previous monthly premium?
I for one would gladly stand in line just to know that I could actually benefit from my contributions rather than merely line the pockets of yet another underregulated and corrupt corporation.
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the kid
Trad climber
fayetteville, wv
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Aug 11, 2009 - 06:21pm PT
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obamacare will give you drugs to turn you into un-angry white male.
grow up juan...
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Porkchop_express
Trad climber
the base of the Shawangunk Ridge
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Aug 11, 2009 - 06:24pm PT
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I will weigh in on this since I have been weighing the current state healthcare out here versus private options.
I am also diabetic so I depend on medication (insulin) to live.
I am low income (less than 30k/year, assuming I work all year round)
I buy my own insurance privately at 280 a month, which does take a big bite out of my income. Recently, having lost a job that made most of my money I became eligible for medicaid.
I still have some coverage remaining on my previous healthcare and trying to coordinate the changeover has given me a unique opportunity to compare the respective services.
My private insurance- competent, friendly, helpful people who looked at various problems I present them with, and go out of their way to help and listen.
State run medicaid- basically a bunch of as#@&%es who want a paycheck and for you to go f*#k yourself and leave them the hell alone.
Others may have had different experiences. All of mine have universally confirmed the views I am expressing here. When you have some jerk on the other end of the line who wants to take a coffee break and you are freaking out because because you need a little help getting a drug that shouldnt be restricted in the first place, it becomes more than a political debate.
You get what you pay for.
Healthcare reform is needed because private options should be made more affordable. Government takeover will not facilitate that end AT ALL.
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