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drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Original Post - Aug 3, 2009 - 12:07pm PT
Copperheads, Jerry Garcia.

We are in the middle of 9 days of Jerry. He was born August 1st and died August 9th. I pay extra respect during this time and remember many good times. I know there are plenty of Heads on here, so post up.

Also, this week there are probably big wall guys and gals dealing with small pieces of mashed up metal in granite. Discuss...

"Sometimes we live no particular way but our own..."





survival

Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
Aug 3, 2009 - 12:28pm PT
"We can have us, a HIGH TIME, livin' the good life!"

Dark Star Orchestra, out west for lots of dates this fall.
Look for a date near you in CO, OR, WA, CA, MT, ID, NV, UT!!!
http://www.darkstarorchestra.net/NEWSITE/HTML/dso.php?sec=tour&PHPSESSID=947f1ccd02ea718011444662fc101cb0

I saw them back east, and it is DEFINITELY worth the trip. Here's a link to a thread I put up recently.
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.html?topic_id=915514&msg=915594#msg915594
survival

Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
Aug 3, 2009 - 12:40pm PT
Slipknot!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZnqymw2Q3w

I'm with you Jefe.
survival

Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
Aug 3, 2009 - 12:43pm PT
West High, Anchorage Alaska is where both of my older kids graduated HS, and the same stage that they both performed on many times.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJHnCEFAj5A
Gobee

Trad climber
Los Angeles
Aug 3, 2009 - 12:56pm PT

"Deal"
Words by Robert Hunter; music by Jerry Garcia
Copyright Ice Nine Publishing;

Since it cost a lot to win
and even more to lose
You and me bound to spend some time
wondring what to choose

Goes to show you don't ever know
Watch each card you play
and play it slow
Wait until your deal come round
Don't you let that deal go down

I been gambling here abouts
for ten good solid years
If I told you all that went down
it would burn off both your ears

It goes to show you don't ever know
Watch each card you play
and play it slow
Wait until your deal come round
Don't you let that deal go down

Since you poured the wine for me
and tightend up my shoes
I hate to leave you sittin there
composin lonesome blues

It goes to show you don't ever know
Watch each card you play
and play it slow
Wait until your deal come round
Don't you let that deal go down
Don't you let that deal go down, no
Don't you let your deal go down

drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 3, 2009 - 01:06pm PT
The Dead and climbing used to go hand in hand for me...

donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Aug 3, 2009 - 01:08pm PT
Does the term "deadhead" have anything to do with the lack of brain function?
Mick K

climber
Northern Sierra
Aug 3, 2009 - 01:11pm PT
In fact it is just the opposite.

Deadhead = extraordinary brain function
goatboy smellz

climber
लघिमा, co
Aug 3, 2009 - 01:14pm PT
Quixotes is have a 3 day dancing in the streets block party this weekend.

DSO, Steve Kimock, & Papa Mali are the main highlights.

http://www.quixotes.com/Dancin.html

You should drive on up for this survival.
drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 3, 2009 - 01:15pm PT
How bout the old bumper sticker-

THE ONLY GOOD HEAD IS A DEAD HEAD
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Aug 3, 2009 - 01:17pm PT
I thought that "good head" referred to something else.
Mick K

climber
Northern Sierra
Aug 3, 2009 - 01:20pm PT
Doesn't get any better than this

http://www.archive.org/details/gd75-08-13.fm.vernon.23661.sbeok.shnf
survival

Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
Aug 3, 2009 - 01:45pm PT
Here's another great place to listen to whole shows.
WOLFGANG'S VAULT!!
http://www.wolfgangsvault.com/sa/grateful-dead/7413.html

PMB, just got back from a bball tourney in CO Sprgs.
This weekend it's all the way to OK, for a national bball tourney.

"Gotta go to Tulsa, first train we can ride. Gotta settle one old score, one small point of pride."
Peter Haan

Trad climber
San Francisco, CA
Aug 3, 2009 - 02:56pm PT

proof that Ed Hartouni was in on it all along and that Rokjok always knows best.
Doug Robinson

Trad climber
Santa Cruz
Aug 3, 2009 - 03:38pm PT
SEE That!

Peter's post proves that as far as the Atomic Broom goes, "DR did not act alone."

Like I keep tellin' ya, Jerry is behind me all the way. Anyone eavesdropping on my boom box below Temple Crag would have little doubt.

Like, HELLO... Dark Star. Get it?
bhilden

Trad climber
Mountain View, CA
Aug 3, 2009 - 03:42pm PT
The headline in the SF Chronicle announcing Jerry Garcia's death was a classic:

Head Dead Head Dead


Bruce
Pate

Trad climber
The High And Lonely
Aug 3, 2009 - 03:58pm PT
If anyone would like, hit this link up, it is my depository of insanely out of this world jerry garcia band shows that i post for download to the peeps. every single one is a winner. one click downloading, they are compressed files and should fly in for anyone with any type of high speed. i switch it up monthly, so feel free to keep coming back. enjoy. (gunna have to recommend the '76 shows, they each have rare performances of the stones tune Moonlight Mile- " with a head full of snow....)

-peace and release.


http://idisk.mac.com/marc_p_peter-Public?view=web
Pate

Trad climber
The High And Lonely
Aug 3, 2009 - 04:02pm PT
almost forgot- if anyone wants some release from supertaco spray, try out this one:

http://deadvids.com/dv

24 hour grateful dead shows streamed out to the masses. also jgb. hop into the chat sometime and join in, like always, i'm pate there too..... and jefe is jefe. imagine that.
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Aug 3, 2009 - 04:07pm PT
The Bus came by and I got on ,
that's when it all began,
There was Dr Ed,
as the Head,
of the Bus to never never land, (Vedauwoo)


any word on those Shirts, Dr El jef?

Got the Deacal, the other day Btw, Muchos Garcias!

I sported a '94 Chinese New year shirt (year of the Dawg) to the last wide Wednesday. My family took mom (then 70) to that concert. She loved it, bought a shirt, framed it and had Chasbro get her a concert tape...
Chim-Chim

climber
Aug 3, 2009 - 06:20pm PT
Did more for me than my daddy ever did. R.I.P. = Realized Infinite Potential " I'll get up and fly away"

Chim-Chim
Norwegian

Trad climber
Placerville, California
Aug 4, 2009 - 12:30am PT
thank you for politely interrupting the silence gerry.



my girls are fans. i've sung them ripple, and friend of the devil since they were wee lassies


spiral light of venus shining first and shining best. from the northwest corner of a brand new crescent moon...

Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Aug 4, 2009 - 01:38am PT
may the four winds
blow you safely home
locker

Social climber
Joshua Tree Ca
Aug 4, 2009 - 01:42am PT
I consider myself very LUCKY to have seen them play live...

MANY times...

I am NOT a "DEAD HEAD", per sey...

But I WAS (and remain), a FAN of their Music...
nita

climber
chica from chico, I don't claim to be a daisy
Aug 4, 2009 - 01:43am PT
Some very sweet memories ... smiling..dancing..bliss.

Love the sound of Jerry's guitar............;-)

Birdsong
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYA16z2-xFg&feature=related
Doug Robinson

Trad climber
Santa Cruz
Aug 4, 2009 - 01:45am PT
No fair, Norwegian.

You've got yourself two Sugar Magnolias there.

Sweet, sweet.
TMJesse

Mountain climber
Olympia, WA
Aug 4, 2009 - 01:46am PT

A high school pen and ink effort, circa 1975


Greek, September 13, 1981, 04:59 Ė Jack Straw
http://www.archive.org/details/gd1981-09-13.sbd-set1.unknown.32132.sbeok.flac16

Peggy O - 6-26-94, Las Vegas
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AX9Vhv4akxc

Lately, Iíll find that while driving Iíll end up crankin up the sound for a Jerry song, and my two daughters (6 and 10) love it and want me to repeat it once it plays.
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Aug 4, 2009 - 02:03am PT
"there is nothing like a ......."

RIP!
BBWolf

climber
Aug 4, 2009 - 10:55am PT
Pate
Thanks for the links. Particularly interested in your JGB shows but when i hit the link

[http://idisk.mac.com/marc_p_peter-Public?view=web]

I see idisk but no music.

Thanks for sharing

Hold on a minute....It is working. Sweet.
Doug Robinson

Trad climber
Santa Cruz
Aug 4, 2009 - 11:05am PT
It's contagious.

My 16-year-old son posted "Friend of the Devil" for his please-enjoy-the-music song on his cell phone.

We're going climbing today...
Steve Grossman

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Aug 4, 2009 - 11:34am PT
When Quinn the eskimo gets here, everybody's gonna dose!

nita

climber
chica from chico, I don't claim to be a daisy
Aug 4, 2009 - 01:44pm PT
Let there be songs to fill the air....

Ripple
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVdTQ3OPtGY

ripple in still water.
Pate

Trad climber
The High And Lonely
Aug 4, 2009 - 08:47pm PT
norwegian- sweet bibs!!!!

bbwolf, you should be able to see that stuff listed on the right hand side. maybe check your antivirus, some pc users with things like macaffee need to adjust their security. i promise you- no virus's here! i always wrap it up.....

let me know if that works for you.
nutjob

climber
Berkeley, CA
Aug 4, 2009 - 08:54pm PT
My kids and I have a set of cruisin' songs when we're on the road... Pink Panther theme song and Friend of the Devil are at the top of the list.
drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 6, 2009 - 08:43pm PT


It's frikkin hot in Tucson.
Ice cream sounds good.


pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Aug 6, 2009 - 10:23pm PT
love the Garcia!

have it on my ipod 100% of the time!
Tami

Social climber
Vancouver, Canada
Aug 6, 2009 - 10:36pm PT
Okay tell me that the most excellent Dr. Ed Hartouni & Jerry Garcia WErENT separated at birth :-D



Sorry if that's already been mentioned.
If so I'll go sit in the car.



Not a Deadhead but sure appreciate the community they have
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Aug 7, 2009 - 03:33am PT
thanks Tami, I always feel honored that I am in some way associated with him, what a musician!
EP

Social climber
Way Out There
Aug 7, 2009 - 11:46am PT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWfYew3s_Nw&feature=related

Jerry Garcia and Ruben Blades" Muevete"

Jerry solos at 5:45 and kills it, beaming from ear to ear. One of the best solos I have ever heard, totally in the pocket. Talk about a rhythm section and back up band!
nita

climber
chica from chico, I don't claim to be a daisy
Aug 7, 2009 - 12:16pm PT
Thanks EP! I've never seen that video before,most excellent! I used to own a couple of Rubens cassettes BITD..Brenda Lugo turned me on to his music .

Jerry looks like he is having a great time.
Melissa

Gym climber
berkeley, ca
Aug 7, 2009 - 01:20pm PT
The Dead have never been my thing. I got to a post-Jerry reunion concert of sorts once with the VIP passes and all b/c a friend did some work for some of the guys in the band. It was interesting for me in a sociology kinda way, but seeing how out of place I was, I felt guilty taking up a space there. My pass was actually good for the whole weekend, so I was glad to run into a stoner guy from my old lab who lived for that sort of thing and pass it on.

There is a Dead inspired symphony in Santa Cruz this weekend at the Cabrillo music festival. Don't know if it's sold out.
Radish

Trad climber
Seki, California
Aug 7, 2009 - 01:26pm PT
What did one Deadhead say to another Deadhead at a concert when they ran out of weed...........Hey man, dude, this music sucks.....................................just a joke for your friday my friends......
drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 7, 2009 - 02:21pm PT
Hey Rad- that joke sucks! More played out than my favorite bootleg tapes from back in the day.

How many Deadheads does it take to screw in a lightbulb?

One to screw it in, and 10,000 to follow it around and around until it burns out!
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Aug 9, 2009 - 02:20pm PT
I was going to tell the one Drljefe just posted. Grateful day, today all.

"The Wheel keeps turning...
Rhodo-Router

Gym climber
crimping through the start of the Generator
Aug 9, 2009 - 03:29pm PT
I got the most random email from my stepmom (age:70-something) this morning. An excerpt:


"This evening the sunset was really beautiful and B. and I had dinner on the deck -- then I went inside and started making granola, mostly because I hadn't given a birthday gift to a friend (hi, Jill, I'm copying you). I put on a CD -- Workingman's Dead -- and I just want to tell all of you to pass on to your children that the Deadheads did not ever represent the Dead. They were just a bunch of stoners who followed the tours and didn't listen to the music. This is very important to tell your children! The Grateful Dead's music was sweet, almost gentle. In fact, at the time I was kind of dismissive because I liked things a little (as Tina would say) more rough.... but now that I'm um slowing down I realize I was being too dismissive. So listen to that album. "


Way to characterize about 200,000 people...who were apparently onto something about 30 years before you were!
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Aug 9, 2009 - 04:26pm PT
...honestly, I don't see the resemblance



except in quantity of hair...

but I'm happy if people think so
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Aug 9, 2009 - 04:30pm PT
It is possible that it is even more in the creative nature, than just in the photo image.
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Aug 9, 2009 - 06:07pm PT
Jaybro, that would be very high praise indeed. Garcia was unbelievably active in music, he seemed to be everywhere, all the time, working on nearly every genre of popular music, even making some music genres popular. A brilliant and accomplished muscian.

I thought when he died that it was more from his hyperactivity then the drug abuse. He just "emptied the tank" and coasted to a stop, too exhausted to find a filling station.

Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Aug 9, 2009 - 06:33pm PT
Yeah, we always wondered just how deep the tank was. Kept wanting him to cover just a little more ground.

Others promote physics, wyde climbing, turbo diesel retro-fits and, not unlike Jerry, harmony.

Each in their own way....
Indianclimber

Trad climber
Lost Wages
Aug 9, 2009 - 09:22pm PT
rmuir

Social climber
the Time Before the Rocks Cooled.
Aug 9, 2009 - 09:37pm PT
I was up in the Mono Recesses when JG died; I didn't learn of his death until we got back to Shaver Lake. ...hit me hard, that one did. He really personified the Dead for me. Bob Weir and Garcia played some amazing sets off of each other.

In addition to his bouts of drug abuse/dependence, it's widely-reported that he suffered from sleep apnea. Do some research. That is one heinous killer! For me, that explains the "heart attack of natural causes."
east side underground

Trad climber
Hilton crk,ca
Aug 9, 2009 - 10:13pm PT
this week Jerry,next week copperheads
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Aug 9, 2009 - 10:15pm PT
I was driving the 14 miles to work, when I heard the radio play non stop dead music, ( they were never a band that got a lot of radio time) I knew what had to be up before I got the news. I still feel it today 14 years later.

I used to have that same poster on my college room wall, Indianclimber. 30 years ago it was retro, and today it's still a classic. Wonder what happened to it.....
Pate

Trad climber
The High And Lonely
Aug 9, 2009 - 10:25pm PT
bump
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Aug 9, 2009 - 10:31pm PT
any new climbs put up today called 'Capitan Trips'?
EP

Social climber
Way Out There
Aug 9, 2009 - 11:56pm PT
It was the Dead all day.

1980, I am cross country skiing at Crane Flat, I think it was, and camped out in the Valley, maybe Upper Pines. The people across from me were listening to the Dead on the boom box.

Flashback to 1968: summertime at Curry Village. I hear the clank of metal on metal. I see a short, stout climber covered with pitons and bongs walk up and through the pavilion. First time I ever saw a real climber.

Grant Meisenholder

Trad climber
CA
Aug 10, 2009 - 12:44am PT
Friends- Jerry isn't dead. Really. It was just a big put-on to allow him to go back to a peaceful existence. Think about it: Back in '94 the concerts were out of control. People crashing the gates, starting riots, getting busted, couldn't hear the music for all of the people singing. What was the point of putting on a concert if no one was really there to listen? and they were getting banned from multiple sites. The whole drug aspect of the scene was front page news whenever a concert hit town, and the authorities didn't want that going on during their watch.

Jerry was in & out of rehab, but he had just turned a corner and was getting healthy.

My take is that the "powers that be" offered him a way out - Fake his death, go underground, & live happily ever after. I think he's living in the south of France somewhere near R Crumb & just laying low with a new identity. Think about it...
Pate

Trad climber
The High And Lonely
Aug 29, 2009 - 04:25pm PT
http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=f0896409183dc5c40a4661144148b7c13f099d5d2e9c3cfd

i was just given this link- deadhead shangri-la.
allapah

climber
Aug 30, 2009 - 10:18pm PT
anybody ever find the cassettes i dropped off 4th pitch of Mescalito in 1984?

early eighties girlfriend's father was a Dead-Med, never missed a show, would actually peer-pressure us to go to shows- once there, i resisted the collective consciousness at shows, would not submit to IT, though the jamming was miraculous, all these apparent zombies swaying in unison, resist, resist....

but then, at our first hanging bivouac on Mescalito, we heard a clattering in the night- 11 carefully-chosen cassettes slithering down the wall- gone were Hendrix, Yes, the Doors- we were left with only one cassette for the ensuing 7 days on the wall, the tape that was in the Walkman and so didn't get dropped- Workingman's Dead-

over and over in a continuous loop, bivvies and belays- it didn't get boring- it just kept getting better- Workingman's intermingled with El Cap in my brain- when we got to the top, i knew something had changed- i had joined the body- i was a Deadhead now ...
Bill Mc Kirgan

Trad climber
Cedar Rapids, Iowa
Aug 31, 2009 - 12:29am PT
"If you please, don't back up the track this train's got to run today"

Love that speedway boogie, but Cumberland Blues is the first Dead song that hooked me. So many different styles all wrapped up in one band.
d-know

Trad climber
electric lady land
Aug 31, 2009 - 08:39am PT
i had some "legion of mary" bootleg on
cassette tape that was some of
the best j.g. collaboration i've ever
heard!

jerry garcia-guitar
merle saunders-keys
john kahn-bass
martin fierro-sax
paul humphrey-drums

gotta find that on disc.
survival

Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
Aug 31, 2009 - 08:43am PT
Yeah Jerry and Merle!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvVHXUzbMJw
drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 31, 2009 - 12:39pm PT
HEY NOW!
Pate

Trad climber
The High And Lonely
Aug 31, 2009 - 01:30pm PT
who is this thread and why does it keep following me?
BillO

Boulder climber
Whittier, CA
Aug 31, 2009 - 03:30pm PT
Norwegian

Trad climber
Placerville, California
Nov 19, 2009 - 08:18am PT
so what speaker shared this warrior thought...
who was the original author of the words...
and whom was this tribute about:

'jezzus he was a handsome man.
he used to ride around on white horses,
shooting clay pigeons one two threefourfive justlikethat!
what i wanna know now mr. death,
how do you like your blue-eyed boy NOW?'

it all happened in a show.
Pate

Trad climber
The Lost Highway
Nov 19, 2009 - 09:14am PT
That would be ol Kesey reading Bill Graham and his sons eulogy during Dark Star at the Halloween show. That's the end of the eulogy, the EE Cummings poem.


Norwegian

Trad climber
Placerville, California
Nov 19, 2009 - 09:16am PT
..buffalo bill.
Pate

Trad climber
The Lost Highway
Nov 19, 2009 - 09:20am PT
"Nobody else reaches across the distance and puts their hands on your shoulders about this shit"
Pate

Trad climber
The Lost Highway
Nov 19, 2009 - 09:26am PT
"And the other thought
the second thought
the warrior thought
the hard thought
the final thought
Is that we ain't many
in any given situation there's going to be
more dumb people than smart people-
we ain't many."
Norwegian

Trad climber
Placerville, California
Nov 19, 2009 - 09:30am PT
that is a great dark star, charged im sure by the fellas processing the loss of their friend bill graham.

and.. kesey's charisma during that reading. wow.
Norwegian

Trad climber
Placerville, California
Nov 19, 2009 - 09:34am PT
did kesey's son fall off a cliff? as i recall...
Pate

Trad climber
The Lost Highway
Nov 19, 2009 - 09:44am PT
Zane- He drove his car into a ravine near Veneta, OR. The boys had a big sign made and it is posted at the turn, it's points the way to places around the world so you will always know where you are when you stand on the spot.
BillO

Boulder climber
Whittier, CA
Nov 19, 2009 - 10:34am PT
Just to let you know Zane is alive a kicking in Eugene. That was his brother Jed that was killed coming back from a wrestling tournament, the van he was in crashed on an ice covered road.
Zanes site
http://www.key-z.com/
Zane Kesey  2007
Zane Kesey 2007
Credit: BillO

Norwegian

Trad climber
Placerville, California
Nov 19, 2009 - 10:37am PT
pate,
10 point deduction for eulogizing wrong brother.

Pate

Trad climber
The Lost Highway
Nov 19, 2009 - 10:49am PT
My sincere apologies to Zane.

I'm uploading the show to my download spot right now- I'll post the link in a few minutes, y'all can grab it if you don't already have it...... And grab all the other stuff too. It's full of J/ JGb from 70-94 right now.



Edit. I was just informed by my friend Kari that Zane was kicking it in our chat/forum this past week. I'll post that link too- a slightly kinder community than others I know of.
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Nov 19, 2009 - 10:51am PT
Anyone have the Lyrics (or a full audio/video link) to 'Mama was a Deadhead', by the Rev Billy C Wirz, google search has been problematic....
Pate

Trad climber
The Lost Highway
Nov 19, 2009 - 11:10am PT
Did anyone notice I got post # 77?


Suh-weeeeet.



Next hot # is 85.



edit: IMHO, but it's pretty subjective.
Pate

Trad climber
The Lost Highway
Nov 19, 2009 - 12:05pm PT
a few links:

http://deadvids.com/blab4ent/info.php?hmmwhy=link
streaming video of Dead shows to your iPhone, just open Safari and hit it up.

http://idisk.mac.com/marc_p_peter-Public
some nectar and rare old jerry


http://deadvids.com/dv1
24 houur Dead show video and super kind chat/forum

http://tela.sugarmegs.org/
6,872 Bands, 32,996 shows. Awesome download site for just about everything.



rockermike

Trad climber
Berkeley
Nov 19, 2009 - 12:18pm PT
my first regular climbing partner was a dead head; and he owned a car. Every f*#king weekend - year round - we'd do a long road trip to somewhere in the Pac NW, and the whole way he'd be smoking pot and listening to Dead music on his 8 track. I don't smoke pot, and I never really got the Dead stuff. oh well. got lots of climbing done. ha

and all my friends these days are ex- dead heads.
Fletcher

Trad climber
Pasadena, CA
Nov 19, 2009 - 12:23pm PT
I just saw the title of this thread and thought it read the "Dead Horse Thread." But that would be about 1/3 of threads recently. LOL!

I've never been much of a Dead fan, but I do appreciate them. Had one back in the day who was (or at least claimed to be) in close with the band. What a crowd that was. You could always find their floor and room at trade shows by the huge billows of hippie lettuce smoke oozing out of it!

Eric
Senor Pinche Wey

Big Wall climber
OB
Nov 19, 2009 - 01:17pm PT
http://www.gdtstoo.com/GDTSTOONewYearsEve0910.html

this is going to be fun...
survival

Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
Nov 19, 2009 - 02:33pm PT
rocker, "and all my friends these days are ex- dead heads."

ex-deadheads???
Pate

Trad climber
The Lost Highway
Nov 19, 2009 - 02:33pm PT
I'm claiming the 85 post!


edit- no such thing as an x deadhead!
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Nov 19, 2009 - 03:22pm PT
An ex dead head is better than a dead X head.




Man am I glad my brother never cut off my ring finger!
drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 19, 2009 - 04:27pm PT
Norweege-
classic that you bumped this thread with that Kesey reading,
as Pate and I were JUST talking about that two days ago.
Now THATS some headly sh#t right there.

This is post #87, fitting.
I started seeing the Dead in 87 and climbing too.

The day Jerry died I was sitting in my van in Prescott when
a breeze could be heard whispering through
the pines.
When the zephyr neared
the windchimes on the porch started playing along with
the music in my van,
synchronized perfectly with Eyes of the World.
Pate

Trad climber
The Lost Highway
Nov 19, 2009 - 04:30pm PT
The day Jerry died I went out and got hammered.

'88 baby!
Maysho

climber
Soda Springs, CA
Nov 19, 2009 - 04:58pm PT
First concert (of any type) I attended was the last Winterland Show New Years 78/79. I was 16. My friend David and I drove down from our weekend/holiday job at Royal Gorge straight to the concert. It went all night, beginning with the Blues Brothers, and New Riders of the Purple Sage. In the morning they served breakfast, then bid us all farewell. Then the pleasant buzz turned sour as we started seeing a lot of broken glass on the streets, and sure enough, young and dumb we didn't foresee the obvious feast for thieves, came back to my car emptied of all our gear, skis, even my climbing pack and camera. Big bummer. Great show though!

Peter
Pate

Trad climber
The Lost Highway
Nov 19, 2009 - 05:00pm PT
Great show is an understatement Peter. Legendary show. The Blue Rose New Years.
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Nov 19, 2009 - 10:51pm PT
They stole my box of 70 eight track tapes while at a Crosby, Stills, & Nash concert in Denver (the same guys??)
Probably did me a favor (still have my cassettes FWIW)
Pate

Trad climber
The Lost Highway
Nov 19, 2009 - 10:52pm PT
whoa! score on post 92 also- what a year! one of the last good ones.
yosguns

climber
Durham, NC
Nov 19, 2009 - 11:06pm PT


I started seeing the Dead in 87, too. I was the baby in this pre-show family photo. Dylan and the Dead somewhere, some time in 87. Last show for me was MSG, September 1994.

The day Jerry died was the first time I saw my dad cry.

I caught the Dead this summer in Mountain View. It was...interesting to say the least. It reminded me of childhood a bit.

EDIT: Said hello to Zane there, too. Just to say, he is alive and well. Here's a weird one, from Kesey's friend, Ken Babbs: http://www.skypilotclub.com/

Steve Grossman

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Nov 20, 2009 - 12:04am PT
A shot from the early days.

'Pass the Pitons' Pete

Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
Nov 20, 2009 - 12:10am PT
Those of us who aren't "in the know" - perhaps 98% of the readership - might be interested in knowing who is in the photo above....

Oh my gosh, this is frickin' hilarious:



Hasn't our own Dave Diegelman seen this??? I don't see a Double D post here! Someone tell him!
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Nov 20, 2009 - 03:53am PT
DD was perhaps skinnier in those days....
EP

Social climber
Way Out There
Nov 20, 2009 - 09:02am PT
Jerry, Pipgpen, Lesh, Weir, Kreutzmann from left to right in the picture.
Saw Pigpen's last show as my first at the Hollywood Bowl in 1972.
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Nov 20, 2009 - 11:22am PT
I always think Kruetzman looks like Bill Murray in that photo.
Pate

Trad climber
The Lost Highway
Nov 20, 2009 - 11:54am PT
Cal Expo, 89








I've got @ 350 more.........

notice that all the tickets have some stuff you can't bring in-except New Year's, where ANYTHING GOES!
drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 20, 2009 - 01:41pm PT
Hey Maysho-
Are you aware that the Winterland show you saw
is available on DVD? Classic stuff.

...the weather down here, so fine.

Nomad_Andrew

Trad climber
West Coast (usually)
Nov 20, 2009 - 01:48pm PT
Remember www.speedingarrow.net ? Is there a mirror site somewhere? I miss access to all those great soundboards.
Pate

Trad climber
The Lost Highway
Nov 20, 2009 - 01:52pm PT
http://tela.sugarmegs.org/

Go nuts dude.
Nomad_Andrew

Trad climber
West Coast (usually)
Nov 20, 2009 - 01:59pm PT
OK wow thanks. There goes the weekend!
d-know

Trad climber
electric lady land
Nov 20, 2009 - 02:14pm PT
miss the whole scene. preshow parking lot
gatherings were unique. reconnecting with
heads. saw some bizzare things.

at a show in seattle i never felt the ground
after i left the parkinglot.

at one show
some guy (i think) was skippin' around handing
out handfuls of fungus for free from
a backpack..

tho not a confirmed head, 15 or so shows,
was well on my way 'till jerry left
us for some other biz.

the only times i felt like i
was truly part of a tribe.

good times.
Nomad_Andrew

Trad climber
West Coast (usually)
Nov 20, 2009 - 02:16pm PT
I can only stream, can't download. Has it been this way for a while?
Pate

Trad climber
The Lost Highway
Nov 20, 2009 - 02:18pm PT
sent you an email on how to download, right click on te word download and then select download linked file.
Nomad_Andrew

Trad climber
West Coast (usually)
Nov 20, 2009 - 02:20pm PT
Righteous! I really appreciate it.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Nov 20, 2009 - 03:32pm PT
What's the point in callin' shots
this cue ain't straight in line.
Cue ball's made of styrofoam
and no one's got the time ...


What's your favorite lyric?
yosguns

climber
Durham, NC
Nov 20, 2009 - 03:41pm PT
Lyrics for all sorts of days... I've liked this one recently:

Flight of the sea birds,
scattered like lost words;
wield to the storm and fly.



Sleep
in the stars
Don't you cry
Dry your eyes
on the wind



And, of course:

While the firelight's aglow
strange shadows in the flames will grow
till things we've never seen
will seem familiar

Pate

Trad climber
The Lost Highway
Nov 20, 2009 - 04:00pm PT
I know
when all we ever wanted
was to learn and love and grow
Once we grew into our shoes
we told them where to go
Walked halfway around the world
on promise of the glow
Stood upon a mountain top
Walked barefoot in the snow
Gave the best we had to give
How much we'll never know we'll never know

-Days Between



they always did give props to the climbers.
yosguns

climber
Durham, NC
Nov 20, 2009 - 04:25pm PT
I'm gonna go all hippie on you, sorry. Are there any older children of Dead Heads out there?

I was struck at the Dead show this past May when I saw all these young 20-something-year-olds, and felt like I had been reunited with a certain part of my family that had disappeared from my life. I'd imagine that some of those 20-something-year-olds were kids at shows in the 80's/90's and I felt like there was a real possibility that I had run around with some of them as a little kid.

Running around on a lawn in the dusk of a show seems like it would be idyllic for little kids (if you forget all the inappropriate things that go on at shows, which I know a lot of people who don't get the scene can't do, and that's ok).

I know for me, as a little kid at music festivals (not just Dead shows), it was so fun to jump around to music and find other little kids. My parents were pretty responsible once they had kids. I'm sure at least a few people here would question bringing a toddler to a Dead show, but I don't think it was inappropriate. For better or for worse, it controlled a really large part of my development in that the folklore perpetuated in many Grateful Dead songs (biblical allusions, rose and goddess imagery) became the foundation of a great part of my spirituality. (I almost feel like an experiment, actually.) I'd guess it would be hard not to incorporate those things into adult life if the music was the background of a lot of childhood.

I think somehow it's connected to having started climbing, too...since I see some similarities in the communities.
Rudyj2

Trad climber
UT
Nov 20, 2009 - 04:32pm PT


Some come to laugh their past away
Some come to make it just one more day
Whichever way your pleasure tends
If you plant ice, you're gonna harvest wind




BillO

Boulder climber
Whittier, CA
Nov 20, 2009 - 05:19pm PT
Delilah Jones was the mother of twins,
Two times over and the rest were sins.
Raised eight boys, only I turned bad,
Didn't get the lickin's that the other ones had.

Brown-eyed women and red grenadine,
The bottle was dusty but the liquor was clean.
Sound of the thunder with the rain pourin' down,
And it looks like the old man's gettin' on.

one more

When I awoke, the Dire Wolf, six hundred pounds of sin,
Was grinning at my window, all I said was "Come on in".
Don't murder me, I beg of you, don't murder me. Please, don't murder me.
Pate

Trad climber
The Lost Highway
Nov 20, 2009 - 05:30pm PT
right on yosguns- I wonder if I know you're folks? Lots of my friends had their kids around, especially the Family shows on the West Coast.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Nov 20, 2009 - 05:32pm PT
I can show you
a High Time!




Garcia aiding some bad-boy (from the old J-Tree guide)
yosguns

climber
Durham, NC
Nov 20, 2009 - 05:41pm PT
Pate--

Mostly Northeast shows, and by the time I was around they had "real" jobs, so weren't touring. Parents are from upstate New York and I grew up in CT. I know I had never been to a show on the West Coast before this past May. But, if you were at shows on the East Coast '80-'85, your paths probably crossed. :)

Cheers,
Allyson
BillO

Boulder climber
Whittier, CA
Nov 20, 2009 - 06:14pm PT
My kids backstage at there first Dead show Shoreline.
My kids backstage at there first Dead show Shoreline.
Credit: BillO
My son Dylan same show with Caleb Kesey to his right.
My son Dylan same show with Caleb Kesey to his right.
Credit: BillO
My daughter Kelsey same show with her butterfly.
My daughter Kelsey same show with her butterfly.
Credit: BillO
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Nov 20, 2009 - 07:58pm PT
7 Dead shows including Watkins Glen, 600,000 people (including the skydiver that biffed).
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Nov 20, 2009 - 08:35pm PT
I used to go on long backpacking trips and schedule things so we'd come out on the day of a Dead show.

Talk about weird culture shock!

Miss those guys...
Pate

Trad climber
The Lost Highway
Nov 21, 2009 - 01:44pm PT
One of the best days in my life was during a run at Telluride. It was mid-summer in 87 and I took the lift up to the top with a close friend. We descended the back side of Gold Hill and climbed the steep North ridge of Palmyra Peak (13,000+) and dropped acid on the summit. The incredibly beautiful Sneffels range was spread out in all it's glory before us. We descended from the sharp summit about 35 feet, donned our skis and ripped it up down perfect corn through a long, classic 2000 foot couloir, schussing our way down the Bear Creek drainage, laughing the whole way, to the Aspen forest. We took off our skis and descended the switch backs, as we drew nearer and nearer town the band started playing down below, and Jerry's guitar was drifting up through the woods to us. We "missed" the first couple of songs of the first set, but enjoying them floating upwards as we were coming down the trail, the green glowing forest around us, sunburned, happy and high was even better than being inside. We dumped our packs at the gate and went in and danced the evening away. Awesome day.
Steve Grossman

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Nov 21, 2009 - 06:09pm PT
Even the comparatively mediocre Dead albums like Wake of the Flood have some really fantastic Hunter/ Garcia songs like Eyes of the World.

Right outside this lazy summer home
you ain't got time to call your soul a critic no.
Right outside the lazy gate of winter's summer home,
wond'rin' where the nuthatch winters,
wings a mile long just carried the bird away.

Wake up to find out that you are the eyes of the world,
the heart has it's beaches, it's homeland and thoughts of it's own.
Wake now, discover that you are the song that the mornin' brings,
But the heart has it's seasons, it's evenin's and songs of it's own.

There comes a redeemer, and he slowly too fades away,
And there follows his wagon behind him that's loaded with clay.
And the seeds that were silent all burst into bloom, and decay,
and night comes so quiet, it's close on the heels of the day.

Wake up to find out that you are the eyes of the world,
the heart has it's beaches, it's homeland and thoughts of it's own.
Wake now, discover that you are the song that the mornin' brings,
But the heart has it's seasons, it's evenin's and songs of it's own.

Sometimes we live no particular way but our own,
And sometimes we visit your country and live in your home,
sometimes we ride on your horses, sometimes we walk alone,
sometimes the songs that we hear are just songs of our own.

Wake up to find out that you are the eyes of the world,
the heart has it's beaches, it's homeland and thoughts of it's own.
Wake now, discover that you are the song that the mornin' brings,
But the heart has it's seasons, it's evenin's and songs of it's own.

Pate

Trad climber
The Lost Highway
Nov 21, 2009 - 06:11pm PT
> Weather Report Suite

Winter rain, now tell me why, Summers fade, and roses die.
The answer came; the wind and rain.
Golden hills, now veiled in gray, Summer leaves have blown away
Now what remains? The wind and rain.

And like a desert spring, my lover comes and spreads her wings, Knowing,
Like a song that's born to soar the sky, Flowing,
Flowing 'til the waters all are dry, Growing, the loving in her eyes.

Circle songs and sands of time, and seasons will end in tumbled rhyme,
and little change, the wind and rain.

And like a desert spring, my lover comes and spreads her wings,
Knowing, Like a song that's born to soar the sky,
Flowing, Flowing 'til the rivers all are dry, Growing, the loving in her eyes.

Winter gray and falling rain, we'll see summer come again,
Darkness falls and seasons change (gonna happen every time).
Same old friends the wind and rain, Summers fade and roses die,
You'll see summer come again, Like a song that's born to soar the sky.

Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Nov 21, 2009 - 06:16pm PT
I think that's the point. there's something to be taken from each and every one, of those.

From time to time I hear clips in my head from some of those songs that I used to think I didn't even like.

Sort of inevitable that 'Touch of Gray' keeps growing on me...
Steve Grossman

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Nov 21, 2009 - 07:42pm PT
Kinda' suits you, anyway.....
socalbolter

Sport climber
Silverado, CA
Nov 21, 2009 - 11:30pm PT
As someone who appreciates the Dead's music and has several friends who followed the band whenever possible, I'm curious as to how you all feel about PHISH?

Are they continuing what the Dead started, or doing their own thing?

Do you consider yourselves fans of them also, or are the fan bases of the two bands more segregated?

Just curious...

Pate

Trad climber
The Lost Highway
Nov 21, 2009 - 11:39pm PT
Doin' there own thing and always have- and they are sounding better than ever right now!

http://www.oceansofosyrus.com/ for an archive to stream from.

Gary

climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Nov 22, 2009 - 12:01am PT
Saw them in '74 at the old Kiel Auditorium in St. Louis. It was a great show, part of the Wake of the Flood Tour. They did a great job on Tennessee Jed that night.

They lost a lot when Pigpen died, though. They were never the same.
Pate

Trad climber
The Lost Highway
Nov 22, 2009 - 12:19am PT


Now he's represented as he should be.
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Nov 22, 2009 - 03:13am PT
He made the cover of the Laramie Boomerang, tragically.......
d-know

Trad climber
electric lady land
Nov 22, 2009 - 11:40am PT
yes pigpen!!!

not the dead, but mother mccree's:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4MZG8Hr6_Q

pigpen singin' and on harmonica.
Pate

Trad climber
The Lost Highway
Nov 22, 2009 - 01:03pm PT
What are the chances in 2009 of a major US city opening their downtown park to a bunch of hard partying hippies for 3 nights of free camping? Non existent.

Hartford Civic Center 3/88


How about paying for gas/food/camping/motels from RI to NC to OH to CA on the proceeds from hippy bracelet sales? Non existent.

Somewhere......Spring Tour '88
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Nov 22, 2009 - 01:55pm PT
I used to deny this, since I only went to maybe 30 shows, even though I pretty much know which lyric follows nother, or what song is coming up, from the intro.....


My name is Jay, I AM a Deadhead.....
Pate

Trad climber
The Lost Highway
Nov 22, 2009 - 01:56pm PT
Hi Jay!

(I think that's what they say at meetings isn't it?)
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Nov 22, 2009 - 01:59pm PT
Or Maybe, "Hey now"....
Rhodo-Router

Gym climber
obsessively minitracking all winter at Knob Hill
Nov 22, 2009 - 03:28pm PT
Hartford, 1988. It was cold. I remember a tank..
Steve Grossman

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Nov 22, 2009 - 05:42pm PT
A couple of items on my bathroom wall...

Pate

Trad climber
The Lost Highway
Nov 22, 2009 - 09:12pm PT
Ain't No Place I'd Rather Be
Pate

Trad climber
The Lost Highway
Nov 23, 2009 - 01:34pm PT
Performers list Bill Graham Wake, Polo Fields, GG Park, SF




The handwriting begins slowly
M
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Pate

Trad climber
The Lost Highway
Nov 23, 2009 - 01:38pm PT


Pie

Trad climber
So-Cal
Nov 23, 2009 - 02:18pm PT
seen 6 phish shows this year, they are rippin right now.
Heard cincy raged..
Pate

Trad climber
The Lost Highway
Nov 23, 2009 - 02:32pm PT
Couldn't have happened w/o this guy.

Pate

Trad climber
The Lost Highway
Nov 24, 2009 - 03:23pm PT
cintune

climber
the Moon and Antarctica
Nov 24, 2009 - 04:33pm PT
"Out on the mountain, it'll drive you insane, Listening to the winds howl."
Argon

climber
North Bay, CA
Nov 24, 2009 - 06:16pm PT
Mark Karan gave a great performance at a small club in Sausalito Friday. He has recovered from throat cancer and has a new CD out - and is playing wonderfully. Like the Dead of old, Mark and his band played till 1:30AM. Bob Weir showed up at midnight and played a few songs. He even brought his dad with him.
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Nov 24, 2009 - 06:42pm PT
Got a link?
Tobia

Social climber
GA
Nov 24, 2009 - 07:30pm PT
Credit: Tobia
Credit: Tobia

The pictures above were taken before I saw the Dead in both New Orleans and Atlanta a few years after they quit using the infamous "Wall of Sound". If interested, there are some pretty cool articles floating around the net about the technology curve and expense the Dead went through to put on a good show. Something like 800 individual McKintosh amplifiers, JBL speakers and Phil Lesh's bass having a quadrophonic setup with separate channels for each string. Another interesting reason for using a system like this is that it was essentially distortion free and they heard the same sound the audience did (no monitors).
I think they quit using this system in 1974 about 4 years before I ever saw them perform. None the less this looks like a thread where someone might appreciate the pics.
BillO

Boulder climber
Whittier, CA
Nov 24, 2009 - 10:15pm PT
Shoreline in the 90's
Shoreline in the 90's
Credit: BillO
Memories, all good.
Memories, all good.
Credit: BillO
Credit: BillO
Credit: BillO
Credit: BillO
Credit: BillO
Pate

Trad climber
The Lost Highway
Nov 25, 2009 - 10:13am PT
Jerry w/ the Wolf. After The Tiger he rocked a black Strat for a few months that had a midi in it along with The Wolf for the classic sound, while Doug Irwin worked on Rosebud- which featured the best of all those instruments rolled into one.

GDP was a bunch of jerks and tried to keep all the guitars that poor old Doug had built, which he had built and loaned to Jerry. It went to court, and he ended up with half of 'em.

Nice Wall O' shots- and BillO, nice collection.
Norwegian

Trad climber
Placerville, California
Nov 25, 2009 - 10:23pm PT
real time dance party.

my girls and i just smiled while wiggling to a darkstar from another halloween show: 10/31/71 in Colombus, ohio.

here we is, aint they sweeet.




jerry continues to give and give.

thank you ol fella!
Steve Grossman

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Nov 25, 2009 - 11:14pm PT
Papa Dancing Bear!
Pate

Trad climber
The Lost Highway
Nov 26, 2009 - 09:21pm PT
cintune

climber
the Moon and Antarctica
Nov 28, 2009 - 04:09pm PT
Bound to cover just a little more ground.
Double D

climber
Dec 1, 2009 - 09:51pm PT
Dig the T-shirt...someone once gave me one. I'd probably still have it (as well as all my T-shirts from high school) but my wife kindly updates and discards on a regular basis.

Credit: Double D
Pate

Trad climber
The Lost Highway
Dec 2, 2009 - 05:14pm PT
The Alex Gray that hung in a house I was caretaker of. 8 foot canvass, didn't fit in the frame.

drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 3, 2009 - 11:40am PT
No time to hate.

Pate

Trad climber
The Lost Highway
Dec 3, 2009 - 02:31pm PT
There really isn't much time to wait either.
Rudyj2

Trad climber
UT
Dec 3, 2009 - 04:00pm PT


Shadow boxing the apocalypse
Norwegian

Trad climber
Placerville, California
Dec 3, 2009 - 04:38pm PT
"was it for this my life i sought?
maybe so or maybe not."

umm, or was that...

"let your life proceed by its own design"

Pate

Trad climber
The Lost Highway
Dec 3, 2009 - 04:40pm PT
whatever you do, take care of your shoes?
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Dec 3, 2009 - 10:13pm PT
" Blues for ajjah,
In'shallah"

"one man gathers
what another man spills."
Pate

Trad climber
The Lost Highway
Dec 4, 2009 - 03:25pm PT






Norwegian

Trad climber
Placerville, California
Dec 6, 2009 - 02:15pm PT
when the first chords of the ripple hit your ears...

you just gotta smile. you just gotta because sometimes there is nothing sweeter that the boys playin in their band.

then jerry's vocals follow....

that path is for.... your ears alone.
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Dec 6, 2009 - 02:21pm PT
though sometimes I saw it through my crazy fingers.
survival

Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
Dec 6, 2009 - 03:32pm PT


Stranger ones have come by here, before they flew away.....
cintune

climber
the Moon and Antarctica
Dec 6, 2009 - 03:36pm PT
http://addictedtovinyl.com/blog/2009/11/29/the-12-boots-of-christmas-how-about-sandals/
Pate

Trad climber
The Lost Highway
Dec 6, 2009 - 09:56pm PT
Just listened to an 79 Sailor>Saint

"From the top of the mountain you can see far and wide- but you still can't see that other mountains' other side"





maybe going on a dream........
survival

Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
Dec 6, 2009 - 10:14pm PT
Driven by the wind...

Like the dust that blows around....

Rain fallin' down, rain fallin' down....



HOLES IN WHAT'S LEFT OF MY REASON!
HOLES IN THE KNEES OF MY BLUES!
ODDS AGAINST ME BEEN INCREASIN', BUT I'LL PULL THROUGH!
drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 7, 2009 - 01:24am PT
At what other rock concert would you ever see fans actually cleaning up the parking lot???
Once,in the midwest, I was doing my part cleaning up the trash in my immediate vicinty, when up putts Bill Graham on his bapper and hands me a ticket to the next show. Pretty cool.

In my later years seeing the Dead, I saw a dude get struck by lightning. That's Vegas for ya.
"If the thunder don't get you then the lightning will."
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Dec 7, 2009 - 01:40am PT
That's the vibe, drljefe!

In the next incarnation of the armbar ranch, I'm plunking down a vintage wooden wagon wheel, and having american beauty roses twine through it. Wherever I, go, the people All, complain...
drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 7, 2009 - 01:55am PT
I once walked from Shoreline to El Camino Real.
How far is that anyway?

Passin' me by
the buses and semis
plungin' like stones
from a slingshot on mars.
Tobia

Social climber
GA
Dec 7, 2009 - 08:48pm PT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vIlRY7277E&feature=related
It Hurts Me Too...
Pate

Trad climber
The Lost Highway
Dec 7, 2009 - 08:54pm PT
When things go wrong with you..................
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Dec 7, 2009 - 09:26pm PT
"Shadow boxing the apocalypse"

Now there's a tune that just kinda disappeared! Not even on any of the box sets, My Bro.

After High School, I moved up to the Santa Rosa area for some schoolin'. A bunch of really great luthiers lived up there, including Doug Irwin. We used to go over to his studio to check out his stuff, totally incredible. That man could do inlays like a Japanese ninja. He showed us Pete Sears' bass, complete with a dragon snaking up the neck and red LEDs for the eyes. He said he was trying to figure out a way to make smoke come out of the dragon's nostrils, which was at the headstock.

I asked him how much it would cost to build me a guitar. He looked around and picked up a gutted out ax from his "in" rack and said "one like this would cost you about $1500." The thing had no strings or electronics, and I held it there for a second and looked down at the amazing inlay of The Wolf. Holy fcuk. I ran my hand up and down the neck, kinda wowed. Doug chuckled. He'd taken off the sticker ("it was pealing off") and inlaid a replica, it was absolute and beautiful. He said Jerry was gonna sh#t when he saw the work. I'm like .... a broke college student who couldn't find the scratch to have Doug build me one. Shucks. Alembic studios was up there too, as well as some other very talented builders.

drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 8, 2009 - 12:57am PT
Thanks K Man.

Doug Irwin"s personal story is really cool, as was his relationship with Jerry. After the Wolf Jerry wanted another guitar and told Irwin "don't hold back". The result was Tiger. Those were a couple of amazing guitars.

I named my dog Rosebud....
Rudyj2

Trad climber
UT
Dec 8, 2009 - 09:17am PT
Yeah, My Brother Esau definitely fell out of favor sometime in the late 80's. Great song, love the lyrics. IMO one of the best of the first set Weir songs.

My brother Esau killed a hunter
Back in 1969
And before the killing was done,
His inheritance was mine.
But his birthright was a wand to wave
Before a weary band.
Esau gave me sleeplessness
And a piece of moral land.

My father favored Esau,
Who was eager to obey
All the bloody wild commandments
The Old Man shot his way.
But all this favor ended
When my brother failed at war.
He staggered home
And found me in the door.

[Chorus:]
Esau skates on mirrors anymore...
He meets his pale reflection at the door.
Yet sometimes at night I dream
He's still that hairy man,
Shadowboxing the Apocalypse
And wandering the land.
Shadowboxing the Apocalypse
And wandering the land.

Esau holds a blessing;
Brother Esau bears a curse.
I would say that the blame is mine
But I suspect it's something worse.
The more my brother looks like me,
The less I understand
The silent war that bloodied both our hands.
Sometimes at night, I think I understand.

It's brother to brother and it's man to man
And it's face to face and it's hand to hand...
We shadowdance the silent war within.
The shadowdance, it never ends...
Never ends, never ends.
Shadowboxing the Apocalypse, yet again...
Yet again.
Shadowboxing the Apocalypse,
And wandering the land.
Pate

Trad climber
The Lost Highway
Dec 8, 2009 - 09:29am PT
Esau was one of those tunes that was worked really hard early/mid 80's, like REALLY hard. They dropped it for a while, like they did so many songs. Then Brent died, and it was a favorite of his, the key jams were off the hook. They never resurrected it, they just didn't have the strength on the ivories ever again.

It is on plenty of Dicks Picks and other live releases.

k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Dec 8, 2009 - 11:23am PT
My Brother Esau is also the B-side of the Touch of Grey single. The Studio version, of course. That's where I know it from.

Silly me, I didn't even realize they did it live much. I'll have to check my DPs for some satisfaction!
Norwegian

Trad climber
Placerville, California
Dec 13, 2009 - 01:56pm PT
"well, I say... my dog has got no nose!"


"oh, yea, well how does he smell?"








...

"bloomin awwwful."
drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 16, 2009 - 04:20pm PT
Nice, Norweege.

"From now on we're gonna call ourselves "The Just Exactly Perfect Brothers Band"



Hey, let's not forget Brent.
Man, I loved that guys songs, voice, and the energy he brought.
It always seemed Jer felt the same.




Pate

Trad climber
Dec 16, 2009 - 04:44pm PT
Spider Savage

Mountain climber
SoCal
Dec 17, 2009 - 01:34am PT
... And a Grateful New Year!
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Dec 17, 2009 - 01:43am PT
I have a red T-shirt with the Image that Pate posted that says "be good for goodness sake!"
Norwegian

Trad climber
Placerville, California
Dec 17, 2009 - 09:27am PT
those yungin's teaching me once again HOW to live,

they understand dance from the get go. they understand what jerry softly lays down under their feet:
Credit: Norwegian

Credit: Norwegian

Credit: Norwegian
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Dec 17, 2009 - 01:58pm PT
The front hood medallion on my 20 yr old Saab is hopelessly faded. I would like to cover it with a tasteful, understated, Lightning bolt Skull It is just over1.75' across, I just measured it it. any phots of where to get a decal that size, and how coat it to survive the weather (report)? suite!

I think I asked this before, and Drljefe did send me a really cool tour decal that I'm hanging on to. but this is a fairly narrow, specialized, search. RI've been to Rasputin's and Annapurna, on telegraph without finding exactly what I need.
drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 17, 2009 - 02:21pm PT
Jaybro- Official Stealies come in a few sizes.
http://store.dead.net/stickers/syf-circle-sticker

There used to be those metal ones that were bomber, but may not conform to a convex hood ornament.


Just in time for XMas- howz about a Stagger Lee.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJP7BKzu32M

This murder ballad has a long and rich folklore history.
And it just plain kicks ass.
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Dec 17, 2009 - 02:37pm PT
There is even a Clash (or is it Black 47?) Stagger Lee song.

Hmm, the 1.6" would probably be perfect, thanks for the link! and the thread.
cintune

climber
the Moon and Antarctica
Dec 17, 2009 - 02:40pm PT
It's an old blues standard, but Hunter gave it new life for sure; the version on Jack of Roses beats all.
drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 17, 2009 - 03:08pm PT
Wiki spray-
Lee Shelton (March 16, 1865 - March 11, 1912) was an African American cab driver and pimp[1] convicted of murdering William "Billy" Lyons on Christmas Eve, 1895 in St. Louis, Missouri. The crime was immortalized in a popular song that has been recorded by numerous artists.

William Lyons, 25, a levee hand, was shot in the abdomen yesterday evening at 10 o'clock in the saloon of Bill Curtis, at Eleventh and Morgan Streets, by Lee Sheldon, a carriage driver. Lyons and Sheldon were friends and were talking together. Both parties, it seems, had been drinking and were feeling in exuberant spirits. The discussion drifted to politics, and an argument was started, the conclusion of which was that Lyons snatched Sheldon's hat from his head. The latter indignantly demanded its return. Lyons refused, and Sheldon withdrew his revolver and shot Lyons in the abdomen. When his victim fell to the floor Sheldon took his hat from the hand of the wounded man and coolly walked away. He was subsequently arrested and locked up at the Chestnut Street Station. Lyons was taken to the Dispensary, where his wounds were pronounced serious. Lee Sheldon is also known as 'Stag' Lee.[3]

Hunters take-
1940 Xmas evening with a full moon over town
Staggerlee met Billy DeLyon
and he blew that poor boy down
Do you know what he shot him for?
What do you make of that?
'Cause Billy DeLyon threw lucky dice,
won Staggelee's Stetson hat

Baio, Baio, tell me how can this be?
You arrest the girls for turning tricks
but you're scared of Staggerlee
Staggerlee is a madman and he shot my Billy dead
Baio you go get him or give the job to me


Delia DeLyon, dear sweet Delia-D
How the hell can I arrest him when he's twice as big as me?
Don't ask me to go downtown - I wouldn't come back alive
Not only is that mother big but he packs a .45


Baio Delia said just give me a gun
He shot my Billy dead now I'm gonna see him hung
She waded to DeLyon's Club through Billy DeLyon's blood
Stepped up to Staggerlee at the bar
Said Buy me a gin fizz, love


As Staggerlee lit a cigarette she shot him in the balls
Blew the smoke off her revolver, had him dragged to city hall
Baio, Baio, see you hang him high
He shot my Billy dead and now he's got to die


Delia went a walking down on Singapore Street
A three-piece band on the corner played "Nearer, My God, to Thee"
but Delia whistled a different tune...what tune could it be?


The song that woman sung was Look out Staggerlee
The song that Delia sung was Look out Staggerlee
The song that woman sung was Look out Staggerlee
The song that Delia sung was Look out Staggerlee




Pate

Trad climber
Dec 17, 2009 - 03:56pm PT
best stagger lee ever was saratoga, summer of '85, the "my dog has no nose" joke set.

IMHO which is usually right.

jaybro- just pm'd you on the stealee.
Jeremy

Social climber
Albuquerque, NM
Dec 17, 2009 - 03:58pm PT
Guys,

I don't have any idea why you like this shite.

Possibly the most overrated band EVER.

Really...WTF?

Please explain...

Jeremy
Pate

Trad climber
Dec 17, 2009 - 03:59pm PT
Jeremy, as a great bearded man once said:

"Not everyone likes black licorice, but the people who do like black licorice REALLY LIKE black licorice."

edit: and if you are going to make the claim of overrated, you should peruse Dead Base first and see that they played more shows than any other band, more tours than any other band, traveled more miles than any other band, have a bigger library of songs than any other band, invented the modern sound system, invented video screens at shows, had a dozen side bands, most sell out concerts in a row of ANY BAND IN HISTORY, invented independant ticket sales and cutting out Ticketmaster, set the standard for recording off of their own labels, and grossed more than any other band for more than a decade in everything from ticket sales to memorabilia, among many other things.

So stuff that in your pipe and smoke it. Although you probably don't puff.
cintune

climber
the Moon and Antarctica
Dec 17, 2009 - 04:04pm PT
Good answer. Posted this before, but a girl I know/knew claims to have seen Jerry passed out under the boardwalk at Atlantic City... with a bottle of Anisette in his hand... and a bodyguard-type dude just hanging out next to him, looking nonchalant. And gotta say that Sara-to-go show is pretty great;
http://www.archive.org/details/gd85-06-27.sbd.clugston.6104.sbeok.shnf
Norwegian

Trad climber
Placerville, California
Dec 17, 2009 - 04:15pm PT
jerry-me,

you probably just don't comprehend noise well.

maybe silence such as discord between two rocks sounds to you like the sun turning on itself, or

maybe darkness lights your path, or extinguishes your vital flame.

probably, i'll just piss my pants and keep on trucking.. right home to my sweeeet girls.

do ya get it now?


see,
it is not clear,
tho opacity is enlightening.
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Dec 17, 2009 - 04:49pm PT
That Was, a good answer Pate.

Jeremy you don't have to be so defensive, nobody is trying to make you be on the bus. Many otherwise reasonable people arent.If the music doesn't work for you, that's that. i'm sure there is some music in your own life that you'get' better than most of your friends, same deal.
You question is like asking what does a banana taste like.
Let it go.

Watching for that PM, Pate
Jay bro five one three at mac dot calm
Jeremy

Social climber
Albuquerque, NM
Dec 17, 2009 - 05:16pm PT
Guys,

Maybe I didn't axe my question in the right way...don't get yur tie-died panties all in a wad. :-)

Tell me this...why do people like The Dead??? What is it?

I am being totally serious as I have a bunch of friends (past and present) who love them and think I'm a tard for not.

I have never understood.

Please enlighten me.

Seriously...not being a dick.

BTW I feel the same way about poetry and modern dance...but that can be a separate thread! ;-) HA!


Jeremy
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Dec 17, 2009 - 05:23pm PT
It's not that we don't want to explain, it's just I don't think it can be done. If it works for you you don't have to task.

The rhythms, the songs, the guitar solos, the Lyrics, the drums, the second set experimentations, the jazz-like improvesational nature?
-does that help ? it's like trying to write a musical score in words...

"Sometimes we live no particular way but our own" says it as well as anything...

On to St Stephen
Steve Grossman

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Dec 17, 2009 - 05:23pm PT
Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds do a great version of Stagger Lee especially on video!

There is nothing to suddenly "get" about the Dead any more than there is about a Motherwell painting...You like...you don't like...do what you like, that's what you're like!?! Capice?

Variety is good, even if you only end up with one Smurfette!
Jeremy

Social climber
Albuquerque, NM
Dec 17, 2009 - 05:47pm PT
Thanks guys.

I'm back where I started...which is where I thought I would end up!

Whoa...that could be a Dead lyric...I'm freaking out.

And Grossman...I do like Motherwell!

DAmn...I need a beer...

And away I go...

WOO HOO!!!

Jeremy

k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Dec 17, 2009 - 08:16pm PT
Phil sez:

A funny thing happened to me on the way to the show...
I got picked up.


Tha-dump.


PS. Jeremy, what kinda of music do you like?
With the Dead, there's a certain attention that you have to give to appreciate it...At least that's what I've found.

My brother used to play them incessantly. I couldn't stand it, but I went to a show with him anyway (turned out to be Pig's last show...). I couldn't think straight for a week--and no, I was like 13 and totally straight for the show.

I have an idea. Check out this web page, and listed to the Hard to Handle...

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1971-08-06.aud.kaslow.smith.94261.flac16

Or, maybe not...
Peggy-o

Social climber
Kingsburg ca
Dec 18, 2009 - 01:09pm PT
So glad to see a Dead thread! When I hung out with my Bro and the some of the stonemaster's they ribbed me for liking the dead. As I recall, someone threw an 8 track of Dead out my car window as we sped down HWY 10 towards josh. Richard??? LOL!
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Dec 18, 2009 - 01:15pm PT
One time in Camp 4 I was trying to interest Yabo in a spare pair of EB's I had, ( I needed gas money)
We sat down in my car to check 'em out, I had some live tape going.
"Here let me turn it down..."
"No, just turn it off..."
he didn't buy the shoes, either.
Peggy-o

Social climber
Kingsburg ca
Dec 18, 2009 - 02:36pm PT
LOL! I remember getting a letter from camp 4 ('74) and the author went on and on about the routes etc and closed with...well keep on riding those horses and listening to that %#@% music! Good times...
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Dec 18, 2009 - 02:48pm PT
Too, Funny!
Peggy-o

Social climber
Kingsburg ca
Dec 18, 2009 - 03:06pm PT
I just showed this to my HS science kids who finished their final...they got a kick out of it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6y3CafoJ2mo

They howled "old school hippies!"

That's right..."hippie chicks rule"
Peggy-o

Social climber
Kingsburg ca
Dec 18, 2009 - 03:23pm PT
The reason I'm hearing impaired. I first saw/heard it at CSUSB in '74....
The reason I'm hearing impaired. I first saw/heard it at CSUSB in '74. My ears rang for days and the smile never left my face!
Credit: Peggy-o



drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 18, 2009 - 03:24pm PT
Thanks Peggy O!
Just one of many classic moments from "The Grateful Dead Movie.
Funny, when I was a grommet I dosed on the way to the video store to rent The Movie for the first time.
It took everything My friend and I took to get out of that store WITH the video. Funky night.
The Dead Movie set the standard for documenting a rock show, much less, the culture of heads. The way the sound is synched with the different cameras is still cool today.
And the animation! EVERYBODY remembers the animation!

Just a little reply to Jeremy who posted upthread about "not getting it".
Jeremy- you climb MUD, right?
THAT I just don't get. That's what makes climbing, music, art...the WORLD go 'round.

Same with OWs- which makes jaybro espescially demented...a widefetish deadhead. DUDE, issues!!!
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Dec 18, 2009 - 03:31pm PT
Peggy, if I played that for my special ed kids over the years, I'd get the whole spectrum. Bunches of them would bob in their chairs, psyched for the input. Others would question my contemporaenity. Most of them would get a charge out of the fact that whatever it was, it moved me. it's rewarding to interact with others at this level.

Har! Deljefe!
and Joyeux (sp) Noel, all!

Peggy-o

Social climber
Kingsburg ca
Dec 18, 2009 - 03:44pm PT
Sp ED and the dead...LOL! Like me and my gangsters..yo!
drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 18, 2009 - 03:50pm PT

Here's the animation.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zR7prgyEqZM
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Dec 18, 2009 - 04:27pm PT
Thanks, Drlj, that was the miracle I, needed, today.

Show of hanz those that strolled past the Hotel Mars, BITD! I never went inside, ( Was Terry Gilliam involved in that animation?)

Youal realize we are alienating ourselves Further from Jeremy and others? Hopefully they can catch the next bus.....
Rudyj2

Trad climber
UT
Dec 18, 2009 - 04:34pm PT

What a long strange trip it's been........and still is.

http://www.furthur.net/
drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 18, 2009 - 04:47pm PT
Sometimes we live no particular way but our own.
WBraun

climber
Dec 18, 2009 - 04:50pm PT
Dead Head

Means he has no brain left in his head?

Dead brain?
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Dec 18, 2009 - 05:38pm PT
Werner, werner, werner....
BillO

Boulder climber
Whittier, CA
Dec 20, 2009 - 09:28pm PT
Slight OT note on Ken Kesey
On top of Mt. Pisgah is a monument made for Ken's son Jed Kesey and Lorenzo West who lost their lives in an Oregon Wrestling van accident. The bronze monument has two long vertical openings one of which the sun shines through on the Summer Solstice the other during the Winter Solstice. It took a team of professors from Oregon weeks to get the alignment just right....It is quite a thing to behold.
Rhodo-Router

Gym climber
obsessively minitracking all winter at Knob Hill
Dec 21, 2009 - 12:03am PT
Jesus, he was a handsome man!



http://www.archive.org/details/gd1991-10-31.mtx.haugh.gems.102251.flac24
Pate

Trad climber
Dec 21, 2009 - 12:12am PT
And I thought to myself- THIS IS THE DEAD, TELLING ME ABOUT MY LIFE!
drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 21, 2009 - 02:26pm PT
Bound to cover just a little more ground.
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Dec 21, 2009 - 03:41pm PT
and it can't stop now
drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 23, 2009 - 01:45pm PT
BIODTL
GDTRFB
FOTD
NFA
Norwegian

Trad climber
Placerville, California
Dec 23, 2009 - 02:17pm PT
i know a deadhead when i see one.

Pate

Trad climber
Dec 24, 2009 - 12:30am PT
I was at the Museum Of Fine Arts today, perusing an amazing exhibit of 1600-1800's instruments. I was in awe of this one- a name every Dead Head knows but if others are like me, had no idea what it actually was.

Can you name this stringed instrument? I'll be impressed if you can.

Credit: Pate

Hint- ...........................Just a little nervous from the fall........................................
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Dec 24, 2009 - 09:15am PT
It doesn't look, like a china doll....
Pate

Trad climber
Dec 24, 2009 - 09:49am PT
It rhymes with "before they slipped away"
cintune

climber
the Moon and Antarctica
Dec 24, 2009 - 10:16am PT
That's a hurdy-gurdy?
I always thought it was the thing the organ-grinders with the monkeys had.
Pate

Trad climber
Dec 24, 2009 - 10:20am PT
That is a HurdyGurdy. Nice job. Pretty cool isn't it?

I stared at it for a while and couldn't really figure it out. It does have a crank on the base, so there is some cranking going on, but there are also strings and frets. There was a headphone you could put on and hear it playing, a really old fashioned twanging.



Let the Hurdy Gurdy play.
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Dec 24, 2009 - 10:22am PT
I hadda cheat,but would not have known, otherwise
aka a Wheel fiddle...
Pate

Trad climber
Dec 24, 2009 - 10:33am PT
I bet Jerry could have ripped it up on the Hurdy Gurdy. I was at the Warfield when he picked up a banjo in public for the first time in 20 years, as well as the many times he played pedal steel with Dylan. The guy could pick anything.

Ever read the biography An American Life? In his early 20's he had a blue 12 string surgically attached- the original Stella Blue.
Pate

Trad climber
Dec 31, 2009 - 09:01pm PT
Happy New Year Deadheads!
Happy New Year Deadheads!
Credit: Pate
Gobee

Trad climber
Los Angeles
Dec 31, 2009 - 10:05pm PT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dtvf2erbL-U&feature=related
Grateful Dead New Years Eve 12-31-85
Pate

Trad climber
Jan 2, 2010 - 02:44pm PT
Credit: Pate

Bill Mc Kirgan

Trad climber
Cedar Rapids, Iowa
Jan 2, 2010 - 04:54pm PT
the compass always points to terrapin...

drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 7, 2010 - 10:10am PT
Check my pulse, it don't change,
stays 72, come shine or rain!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPBLfzTPCDc
Norwegian

Trad climber
Placerville, California
Jan 16, 2010 - 01:06pm PT
high green chilly winds and windy vines
In loops around the twisted shafts of lavender
They're crawiling to the sun.

underfoot the ground is patched
With arms of ivy wrapped around manzanita,
Stark and shiny in the breeze.

Credit: Norwegian

Wonder who will water all the children of the garden
When they sigh about the barren lack of rain and
Droop so hungry neath the sky.

William Tell has stretched his bow till it won't stretch
No furthermore and/or it may require a change that hasn't come before.

Credit: Norwegian

No more time to tell how, this is the season of what,
Now is the time of returning with our thought
Jewels polished and gleaming.
Now is the time past believing the child has relinquished the rein,
Now is the test of the boomerang tossed in the night of redeeming.

Credit: Norwegian

Seven faced marble eyed transitory dream doll,
Six proud walkers on the jingle bell rainbow,
Five men writing with fingers of gold,
Four men tracking down the great white sperm whale,
Three girls waiting in a foregign dominion
Riding the whalebelly, fade away in moonlight,
Sink beneath the waters to coral sands below.
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Jan 16, 2010 - 01:16pm PT
What a great photo! -the first one-I don't remember ever seeing that one.
drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 16, 2010 - 01:18pm PT
!!!11eleven11!!!
Bill Mc Kirgan

Trad climber
Cedar Rapids, Iowa
Jan 16, 2010 - 01:23pm PT
Dizzy ain't the word for the way that you're makin' me feel now
drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 16, 2010 - 01:24pm PT
Anyone done Supplication?
Pate

Trad climber
Jan 16, 2010 - 06:48pm PT
It's an obsession but it's pleasin'.
Bill Mc Kirgan

Trad climber
Cedar Rapids, Iowa
Jan 16, 2010 - 07:24pm PT
Tell me a lie and I will swear,



I'll swear it's true.
Pate

Trad climber
Jan 16, 2010 - 08:43pm PT
Plunging like stones from a slingshot on Mars.
Norwegian

Trad climber
Placerville, California
Jan 16, 2010 - 10:02pm PT
i harness and explore absurd venues. physical and mental. in a domestic culture, only the absurd is worthy of our potential.

understimulated, our creative thrust is left dry-humping commonality.

you gotta go WAY out there to thrive.

that was jerry's golden attribute. he stretched expecation. his and ours.

walls in winter? sneider is there. and his soul thrives.

commuting from your lazy boy to your suv to your office chair.. you embody surrender. you are not thriving.

bring on the absurdity.

dark star - other one - st. stephen - eleven - uncle john's tease - ...does it really ever end? i mean the flow of forgiveness.

into your venue, introduce absurdity.

im there all ways. my pulse quickens and my journey to beyond hastens. but im there. trying to report..
Bill Mc Kirgan

Trad climber
Cedar Rapids, Iowa
Jan 16, 2010 - 10:40pm PT
I'm gonna sing you a hundred verses in ragtime
I know this song it ain't never gonna end
I'm gonna march you up and down the local county line
Take you to the leader of the band

I miss the chill up my spine
sharing the experience with the heads
spinning, realing, oneness....

The kind veggie stirfry
the occasional blair of the freight train horn

They made us family and I still get it listening to the bootlegs
...which they always encouraged





Rhodo-Router

Gym climber
obsessively minitracking all winter at Knob Hill
Jan 16, 2010 - 11:28pm PT
I Supplicated just this afternoon, as a matter of fact.
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Jan 17, 2010 - 01:14am PT
I ran into Shipoop today, heard him call out my name then he come over and give me a hug. He is definitely grateful for, and moved by, the taco love of late.

"Inspiration!"
Pate

Trad climber
Jan 17, 2010 - 05:51pm PT
Bound to cover just a little more ground.....

Credit: Pate

Credit: Pate

On tour in '87.
Watusi

Social climber
Newport, OR
Jan 18, 2010 - 01:50am PT
Jerry Forever!!

Bill Mc Kirgan

Trad climber
Cedar Rapids, Iowa
Jan 18, 2010 - 09:41am PT
Luv that hippie kitten on the bus

ready to go furthur




Hey...check this out....

http://www.furthur.net/

They're playin TheEleven
survival

Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
Jan 18, 2010 - 10:20am PT
Credit: survival

It's only fractured.


Just a little nervous from the fall.................
Pate

Trad climber
Jan 18, 2010 - 02:22pm PT
Bill- we found her wandering the lot at Alpine Valley as cars were clearing out, mewing in the dust and dodging tires.

I brought her to Boulder where she lived out a long, peaceful and happy life of over 15 years as the only permanent resident of a constantly changing hippy house. Lots and lots of DeadHeads new her well.

Her name was Alpina.
D Shotwell

Social climber
Wanaka, New Zealand
Jan 18, 2010 - 02:58pm PT
Thanks Jerry,
Jefe, and all who've posted here.
.... continuing the journey..
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Jan 18, 2010 - 03:12pm PT
what a cool Bass, even for a 'deadbase'
Rudyj2

Trad climber
UT
Jan 18, 2010 - 03:19pm PT
Went to see the captain
strangest I could find
Layed my proposition down
Layed it on the line;
I won't slave for beggar's pay
likewise gold and jewels
but I would slave to learn the way
to sink your ship of fools....
Bill Mc Kirgan

Trad climber
Cedar Rapids, Iowa
Jan 21, 2010 - 03:17pm PT
Pate,

Just read your story about Alpina and it made me smile and broke my heart all at the same time: ..."mewing in the dust and dodging tires".

She looks great in that picture, and it sounds like she had a wonderful life.



Pate

Trad climber
Jan 21, 2010 - 04:58pm PT
Alpina's origins:

Credit: Pate

notice the $1.50 5 night camping fee.
Pate

Trad climber
Jan 21, 2010 - 09:00pm PT
Credit: Pate
Rudyj2

Trad climber
UT
Jan 21, 2010 - 09:07pm PT
Saw your first ship sink and drown
from rocking of the boat
and all that could not sink or swim
was just left there to float
I won't leave you drifting down
but woah it makes me wild
with thirty years upon my head
to have you call me child
Pate

Trad climber
Jan 21, 2010 - 09:18pm PT
Credit: Pate
Norwegian

Trad climber
Placerville, California
Jan 23, 2010 - 09:56am PT
...with every bag comes a mystery pill.

oh. thanks.

gobble boggle.

dancing on the flanks of mt. shasta i'm.

then billy says over the mic, "i wanted to warn everyone out there of some brown acid that's said to be floating around." i stop in my tracks. then the boys begin a series of feedback sounds and i begin to worry a little, then a lot.

my girlfriend sees my grin being murdered and puts two and two together.

she tells me its a joke... the whole brown acid song. then im happy again on mt shasta.
Pate

Trad climber
Jan 30, 2010 - 12:40pm PT
Credit: Pate
Bubba Ho-Tep

climber
Evergreen, CO
Jan 30, 2010 - 01:05pm PT
For those of you who also like the poster art that went along with these shows:

https://www.fillmoreposter.com/search.php?pageNum_products=0&search=grateful dead

Some of the best art of the 60's and 70's was produced for Dead shows.



Disclaimer: I happen to own the website so if this is considered to be too commercial of a post, I will remove it.....
Pate

Trad climber
Jan 30, 2010 - 01:30pm PT
sweet post bro! thanks. I've got a lot of sweet old originals from when my aunt was in Berkeley in the late 60's early 70's, including a really rare Country Joe album release poster.
drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 1, 2010 - 04:08pm PT
HE'S GONE




































...I wish
Pate

Trad climber
Feb 1, 2010 - 04:18pm PT
what are you on jefe? must be strong.
drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 1, 2010 - 04:19pm PT
Do not use my real name here.

Refer to me now as Ice Cream Kid.
Credit: drljefe
Pate

Trad climber
Feb 1, 2010 - 04:26pm PT
real name? do I know you?
Pate

Trad climber
Feb 6, 2010 - 02:58pm PT
My favorite current band:

http://iclips.net/watch/rre-jam-cruise-8

http://railroadearth.com/retrospective/
drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 10, 2010 - 04:30pm PT
Happy Chinese New Year!

No one's noticed but the band's all packed and gone,
were they ever here at all???
survival

Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
Feb 10, 2010 - 04:56pm PT
Oh yeah, they were definitely here.

I've got the psychedelic scars to prove it!!

Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Feb 10, 2010 - 05:47pm PT
Ready for tooling!

survival

Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
Feb 10, 2010 - 06:10pm PT
Yeah Jay, that's definitely a please tool me sticker!

I trained a lot of L.E. guys back in the day and it was maddening that Dead stickers was actually part of their training and a "for sure bust."
Ricardo Cabeza

climber
All Over.
Feb 19, 2010 - 03:04pm PT
I just saw Further last night in Manchester NH.

It was a pretty cool show. Phil and Bobby are playing really well!
I forget the guys name, but the one who plays Jerry in Dark Star Orchestra was on fire as well!

Great show, good vibe, no hassle from security if you were smoking.
The scene on shakedown after the show was pretty funny, many tanks of nitrous on the street, next to the cops and the cops didn't seem to care! I don't do that hippie crack, but it was amusing to see.

The one thing I thought was odd was standing in the aisle, looking for our friends, we got yelled at by a couple of old guys to keep moving.
Sheesh, the nerve!

Seeing them again makes me want to head back out on tour.
EdBannister

Mountain climber
CA
Feb 19, 2010 - 06:14pm PT
Randy Hankins then in charge of US import and distribution for LaSportiva had my favorite response when asked about the dead:
" I'll be grateful when they are all dead."

I like Jerry's ties though.
Pate

Trad climber
Feb 19, 2010 - 06:20pm PT
Jaybro, looking good bro!






And as far as that Randy dude goes, he's way f*#king homo, and you can tell him I said so.
To tell you the truth, The "Garcia Collection" ties are way homo too.
Peggy-o

Social climber
Kingsburg ca
Feb 19, 2010 - 06:23pm PT
Either you like the Dead or not...38 years later I still like them. Never cared if the "population" did.
Can't stand at a Dead show?? When did that change...It use to be you stood during the show and sat at intermission!
Even when they are all dead...the music will never stop.
Hankster

Trad climber
Left Hand, CO
Feb 19, 2010 - 06:30pm PT
Jerry's dead, take a bath and get a job! Bumper Sticker I swear!

Caylor
Peggy-o

Social climber
Kingsburg ca
Feb 19, 2010 - 06:51pm PT
LOL! I always worked and always bathed...I do remember becoming disenchanted with the "scene" when I heard some deadhead belittle a fellow concert goer for not wearing the standard dead wear...She had shoes with some heel and the guy bellowed when she stumbled "get some flats". Jerks in all walks of life.
72hw

Trad climber
Pasadena, CA
Feb 19, 2010 - 07:39pm PT
I quit jobs for shows but always had another lined up when I got back.

I got fed up with the scene at Deer Creek back in 93 when not once, but thrice in the same day, I was offered crack out on Shakedown. That and it just seemed like the party was the focus - one in ten thousand, huh?

Saw The Dead here in Los Angeles last year however, and it kinda kicked a whole lot of ass!

drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 19, 2010 - 07:39pm PT
Sportivas never fit me anyway.

During the "Mega Dead" era it became just as trendy to hate the Dead as it was to love them(or at least the scene)"

In the mid 80's I was the only Head in my entire high school of 3000 kids, but a few teachers knew what was up. I would ditch friday and power it all the way to the Bay area from Tucson, see three shows and power it home, in time to show up for a few monday afternoon classes. One teacher, knowing damn well why I was so frizzlefried and tiedyed made me sing Touch of Grey in front of the Whole class, just to make me pay.
I saw my first period PE teacher at a show on what was the second day of school. I told him I had seen him, he sure didn't remember(!!!), and gave him a wink. I never showed up for that class again and was never marked absent.
That school was a joke, learned way more on the road. Didn't miss a west coast show and graduated on time.
Then climbing took over.

Bubba Ho-Tep

climber
Evergreen, CO
Feb 19, 2010 - 07:44pm PT
Credit: Bubba Ho-Tep

Here's an old one from 1966!
Bubba Ho-Tep

climber
Evergreen, CO
Feb 19, 2010 - 07:44pm PT
Credit: Bubba Ho-Tep

How about 1967?
Bubba Ho-Tep

climber
Evergreen, CO
Feb 19, 2010 - 07:46pm PT
Credit: Bubba Ho-Tep

How about New York?
Bubba Ho-Tep

climber
Evergreen, CO
Feb 19, 2010 - 07:47pm PT
Credit: Bubba Ho-Tep

Or Egypt?

They played everywhere!
72hw

Trad climber
Pasadena, CA
Feb 19, 2010 - 07:56pm PT
Got this one in my collection - not signed, but still quite a kick due...
Got this one in my collection - not signed, but still quite a kick due to the spelling error!
Credit: 72hw
BillO

Boulder climber
Whittier, CA
Feb 19, 2010 - 11:03pm PT
See on Hwy 101 Yachats OR
Credit: BillO
Pate

Trad climber
Feb 26, 2010 - 01:59am PT
let's get this thread Back In The County With The Blues Again:







d-know

Trad climber
electric lady land
Feb 26, 2010 - 08:08am PT
feedurhed
feedurhed
Credit: d-know
drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 1, 2010 - 01:40pm PT
March winds gonna blow all my troubles away.
Pate

Trad climber
Mar 1, 2010 - 06:01pm PT
Let's hope so..........
Norwegian

Trad climber
Placerville, California
Mar 13, 2010 - 10:09am PT
..scattered like lost (birds). (put) your wheels to the (stone) and fly.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPxeISlpFC0&feature=PlayList&p=F4AEFC462B48023B&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=21
Pate

Trad climber
Mar 17, 2010 - 11:49pm PT
bump so bluering's LSD thread doesn't get too lonely
drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 17, 2010 - 11:53pm PT
I wish I was a headlight
on a northbound train.
Norwegian

Trad climber
Placerville, California
Mar 22, 2010 - 05:53pm PT
boys had STYLE
Credit: Norwegian
cintune

climber
the Moon and Antarctica
Mar 23, 2010 - 06:28pm PT
Furthur Live at Bill Graham Civic Auditorium March 12, 2010

http://www.archive.org/details/furthur2010-03-12.flac16

1 Ripple (BW) 04:35
2 Lazy River Road (JK) 07:20
3 Peggy-O (CR) 08:04
4 Two Souls in Communion (CR) 07:57
5 Brokedown Palace (JG) 06:25
6 A Hard Rain's A-Gonna Fall (BW) 09:23
7 They Love Each Other (CR) 06:44
8 Mountains of the Moon (PL) 08:56
9 Attics of My Life (All) 06:57
10 Scarlet Begonias (JG) 11:13
11 Minglewood Blues (BW) 09:58
12 Easy Wind (CR) > 04:30
13 New Speedway Boogie (JG) 11:03
14 Viola Lee Blues V1 (All) > 05:54
15 High Time (CR) 05:52
16 Caution Jam > Viola Lee Blues V2 (All) > 07:37
17 Hard To Handle (CR) > Viola Lee Blues V3 (All) > 10:58
18 Like A Rolling Stone (CR) > 09:59
19 Sugaree (CR) 13:21
20 Not Fade Away Jam (w/Parade of floats) > 04:41
21 Happy Birthday, Dear Phil! (w/Balloon drop) > Not Fade Away Jam 06:13
22 Playing in the Band (BW) > Jam > 10:26
23 St. Stephen (All) > 12:51
24 The Other One (BW) > 10:43
25 Elevator (SM lead jam) > 07:41
26 Unbroken Chain (PL) 16:35
27 Comes a Time (CR) > 08:30
28 Cream Puff War (CR) (w/two Go-Go dancers on stage) > 02:39
29 Franklin's Tower (PL, JG) 09:11
30 Donor Rap & Phil thanks the audience and band 02:05
31 Johnny B. Goode (BW) 04:16
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Mar 24, 2010 - 01:27am PT
"One teacher, knowing damn well why I was so frizzlefried and tiedyed made me sing Touch of Grey in front of the Whole class, just to make me pay."

-Now that's Funny! Is it it more ironic now? Now that maybe you do have a 'Touch of Gray'?
drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 29, 2010 - 05:32pm PT
I'm still walkin' ...
so I'm sure tht I can dance.
...

Jaybro~ oh, the irony!
Pate

Trad climber
Mar 29, 2010 - 05:39pm PT
Let that Witch Wind whine.
Mick K

climber
Northern Sierra
Mar 29, 2010 - 05:42pm PT
"If you plant Ice
you will harvest wind"
Pate

Trad climber
Mar 29, 2010 - 06:03pm PT
299 baby. Rolling like 900,000 tons of steel!
Spider Savage

Mountain climber
SoCal
Apr 1, 2010 - 12:28pm PT
Ship of Fools
BillO

Boulder climber
Whittier, CA
Apr 1, 2010 - 12:43pm PT
Everybody's dancin' down the local armory
With a basement full of dynamite and live artillery.
The temperature keeps risin', everybody gittin' high;
Come the rockin' stroke of midnite, the whole place gonna fly.
go-B

climber
This side of Heaven
Apr 1, 2010 - 01:18pm PT
http://www.dead.net/listeningparty-philly?CMPID=DN033110
For a limited time, we invite you to enjoy stellar audio and video selections from Crimson, White & Indigo: Philadelphia 07/07/89.
Pate

Trad climber
Apr 1, 2010 - 01:40pm PT
The best guidebook ever- for the most fun I ever had on tour:

Credit: Pate
Pate

Trad climber
Apr 1, 2010 - 01:56pm PT
Some of the best performances I ever saw. You had to stay sitting in your seats, Bill Graham was running around yelling at people.

Credit: Pate
Credit: Pate
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Apr 1, 2010 - 02:03pm PT
hey anyone on the bus here have the software to open those FLACC(?) flacid? files of that philbirthdayfurther show posted up a big back that I downloaded, onto a G-4 Mac. My Bro in Wyo said to do that format and he has the software to do this that he is going to send me any minute, for the last couple of weeks. But I am hitting the road this evening and looking for more immediate gratificiaon.

I need a miracle....
Pate

Trad climber
Apr 1, 2010 - 02:06pm PT
http://tomato-torrent.en.softonic.com/mac/download

here you go Jaybro- an application called Tomato Torrent is the best. It's free.
drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 1, 2010 - 02:07pm PT
sorry jaybro- I'm still rockin cassettes!
I'm a digidumdum.

My friend's masters from 83 still sound crystal.

BIODTL jay
Pate

Trad climber
Apr 1, 2010 - 02:08pm PT
http://download.cnet.com/3001-2140_4-10703967.html?spi=54f6e38090041a04c1deb25ced535d05


you may want this also. just drag the FLAC file into the list window, choose "MP3" from the pull down list at the bottom and click go. it will spit out an MP3 of the FLAC in about 3-5 minutes. Then you can put it on a CD or iPod.
Pate

Trad climber
Apr 1, 2010 - 02:11pm PT
or Jay-

go to this link:

http://tela.sugarmegs.org/


search Grateful Dead and have your mind blown.

select a show by clicking the download button. if you want to download it for keeps, right click the download button and select "download Linked File"

this will MEGA-STOKE you!
Mick K

climber
Northern Sierra
Apr 1, 2010 - 02:16pm PT



Try this for all the shows at your fingertips!


http://www.archive.org/details/GratefulDead


and this if you want to go FURTHUR.

http://www.archive.org/details/Furthur



Pate

Trad climber
Apr 1, 2010 - 02:20pm PT
My friend's masters from 83 still sound crystal.

do you know what q-tips are?


try one of these:

http://tela.sugarmegs.org/_asxtela/gd1973-03-16NassauColiseumUniondaleNY_pt2.asx

GRATEFUL DEAD
March 16, 1973
Nassau Coliseum, Uniondale, NY

Source:
Set 1: Betty MSR > PCM > DAT > CDR > EAC > SHN
Set 2: MSR > Reel > DAT > CD > EAC > SHN

Extraction and shortening by G.S. Hamilton
I am indebted to James Warner for this excellent show


Disc 1
Set 1
1. China Cat Sunflower >
2. I Know You Rider
3. Jack Straw
4. Wave That Flag
5. Looks Like Rain
6. Ramble On Rose
7. Box Of Rain
8. Beat It On Down The Line
9. They Love Each Other
10. El Paso

Disc 2
Set 1, cont.
1. Row Jimmy
2. Mexicali Blues
3. Bird Song
4. Playing In The Band
Set 2
5. The Promised Land
6. Bertha
7. Greatest Story Ever Told
8. Loser
9. Big River

Disc3
Set 2, cont.
1. Don't Ease Me In
2. Me And My Uncle
3. Dark Star >
4. Truckin'// >
5. Morning Dew >
6. Sugar Magnolia

Known flaws (many are due to the usual '73 sound system problems or
waterlogging of the set 1 reels):
D1t02 (Rider): brief bits of static/diginoise @ 2:37, 2:39, 4:34, 4:36
D1t03 (Jack Straw): some hum in right chanel at beginning (sound system problem); some
mix problems
D1t08 (BIODTL) some mix problems
D2t04 (Playin'): dropout @ 19:03
D2t05 (Promised Land): bit of staticky sound first minute
D2t09 (Big River): dropout/splice @ 1:21
D3t03 (Dark Star): brief minor bit of diginoise @ 5:00;
brief dropout @ 18:18.
D3t04 (Truckin'): reel splice @ 7:37
drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 1, 2010 - 02:32pm PT
Seriously, Red Bear"s master tapes from the early 80's have a quality and ambience that put's you right back at the Pauly Pavillion.
I love SBDs, but man, a perfect 30 yr old audience recording...
as Jer would say "crackling with energy".

And they said tapes wouldn't last.
Pate

Trad climber
Apr 1, 2010 - 02:34pm PT
they don't. working parts brother.

not that I'm unfamiliar with them. a few hold outs in the storage unit.


Credit: Pate
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Apr 1, 2010 - 02:44pm PT
Yow Pate, that took three minutes, about three stiches between stonemaster knickers and speedysticher. Thanks and have a gratefulday







1
Pate

Trad climber
Apr 12, 2010 - 05:15pm PT
Credit: Pate
Credit: Pate
cp0915

climber
LV NV
Apr 14, 2010 - 01:50pm PT
That first photo is classic, Pate. Thanks for posting!

Unfortunately, my personal experience with Dead shows is much less exciting. Since I was imprisoned in the geriatric swamps of southwest Florida most of my life, I only made the Orlando '94 show, but it was canceled just as I pulled in to the venue. Couldn't make the following (?) evening. Then they played Tampa about a year later but I couldn't make that one either. Then Jerry left us all.

At least we still had/have The Other Ones, The Dead (last year's Inglewood show was solid), Ratdog, and of course, the upcoming Memorial weekend Furthur Festival in Angels Camp!
yosguns

climber
Durham, NC
Apr 18, 2010 - 11:13am PT
http://www.archive.org/details/gd88-09-12.sbd-matrix.wiley.8477.sbefail.shnf

I liked the setlist, and apparently it's a good show!

09/12/88
The Spectrum - Philadelphia, PA

Set 1:
Jack Straw
Althea
Good Time Blues
Dire Wolf
Cassidy
Dupree's Diamond Blues
When I Paint My Masterpiece
When Push Comes To Shove
The Music Never Stopped

Set 2:
Box Of Rain
Cold Rain And Snow
Man Smart-Woman Smarter
Eyes Of The World
Drums
The Other One
Wharf Rat
Around And Around
Good Lovin'

Encore:
Knockin' On Heaven's Door
ncrockclimber

climber
NC
Apr 18, 2010 - 11:29am PT
I have subscribed to two great podcast: Through The Years and The Deadpod. I archive all the episodes. Great stuff!
Rudyj2

Trad climber
UT
Apr 18, 2010 - 12:54pm PT
Nine mile skiddin'
on a ten mile ride
Hot as a pistol
but cool inside
Cat on a tin roof
Dogs in a pile
Nothing left to do but
smile, smile, smile

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFKzk4C4jkI
Pate

Trad climber
Apr 18, 2010 - 02:49pm PT
That 9/12/88 show was great- a quality show from a quality tour. Lots of rain though!
tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Apr 18, 2010 - 04:02pm PT
The music is special, I play a fair bit of it. I like the counter culture economy. Shakedown street was like a band of gypsys. Kind of like as close as your gonna get to experience 3rd world liveing in the good ol USA.

The level of hypocracy on tour was absolutly stunning however. One look at the grounds the morning after and it was crystal clear how full of sh#t all the earth first hippy types are.... At the end of the day the experience was a lot more about getting f*#ked up, makeing money and listening to music than it was about peace, love and harmony with nature...
yosguns

climber
Durham, NC
Apr 18, 2010 - 05:53pm PT
tradman,

It is stunning to see the ground after thousands of people have gathered, isn't it? Crowds are very irresponsible. Having agreed with you on that, I'd also like to consider a couple other things.

First, in order to call Dead Heads hypocrites for the trash left after a Dead show, you would have to believe they were all "earth first hippy types," which I don't. Maybe you could call them hippies...maybe. But really, they were their own separate thing: Dead Heads, more likely linked by LSD (the original Acid Tests) and a search for collectivism and mind expansion than environmental activism. In fact, you were at Dead shows, but seem reluctant to label yourself an "earth first hippy type." Your reasons for being at shows were probably very similar to others', and I doubt you were there to pick up garbage. (But, for all I know, you were manning the Greenpeace tent; if that was the case, good for you!)

Second, we have no data to compare Dead Heads to any other crowd (say, Black Sabbath fans...of which I'm sure there was even some overlap), so who's to say they weren't more responsible? The ground after a Dead Show may have been comparatively cleaner than after a different rock concert. The data would have to take into account average number of concession purchases per attendee, venue management (number of trash receptacles and security [what was allowed in]), and historical trends in society's overall awareness of environmental issues over the course of the band's 30+ year history.

Cheers!
Pate

Trad climber
Apr 18, 2010 - 06:58pm PT
I saw close to 400 shows between '85 and '95. Gunna have to call BS on the trashed, garbage filled thing. There was a group of over 200 Deadheads who scoured every single lot and camping area and bagged all garbage and recylcled practically every can and bottle. That group was organized in '82. Those guys were the last ones to leave town. If all you ever saw was the lot a few hours after a show ad the cars were pulling out- you missed the massive organized cleanup that occurred the next day, and sometimes all might ling the night of the last show of a run.
drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 18, 2010 - 07:21pm PT
Pate's right, at least for the lot.
I think i recounted a story upthread about cleaning up my little zone in the lot and having Bill Graham himself cruise up on his moto and hand me a ticket.

In the late 80's early 90's there was a newsletter- Duprees Diamond News- which not only had recent setlists and upcoming tourdates, but also key things heads could do to ensure the Band would be invited back to town.
What other band did that???
I'll try and dig up an old copy.
yosguns

climber
Durham, NC
Apr 18, 2010 - 07:26pm PT
Well, well. Looks like there may be at least qualitative data that, for whatever motive, the Dead WERE more environmentally-minded than other bands. Imagine that! ;-)

tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Apr 18, 2010 - 07:44pm PT
If you ever talked to the guys who ran the venues and worked in the citys near the venues they will all tell you that the dead fans leave more trash than any other event hands down....

Amazeing how so many of the fans wear rose colored glasses.

Albany the last summer tour from hell. Cops pulled off of horses and stomped, tear gas, bad ju ju in the streets.. This one cute blond and brainless friend of mine, rings on her fingers, bells on her toes,bringing her baby to shows and getting wasted the whole time... She looks at me and proclaims.. Wow.. there was so much love in the streets last week..

I am like, Huh? I saw a ton of husteling, people selling fake tickets to rip off other dead heads,drugs and alchohol abuse on chronic levels, raw sex, violence, crazyness but no love... The dead closed the set on the 2nd night with I fought the law and that felt just about right....
drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 18, 2010 - 07:57pm PT
tradman- I'd send you a PM, but I tried that already a while ago when you were circlin' the drain so...
east coast...later years...different trip, man.
Did you ever come out west for a show? to climb?


OK people...
let's put our rose colored shades back on!

yosguns

climber
Durham, NC
Apr 18, 2010 - 08:09pm PT
Yep, all of that, too. With a set of shows spanning over 30+ years, everyone is bound to be right. But, tradman, you assumed all Dead Heads were environmentalists, which they weren't... I don't see any hypocrisy. People went to shows and got high. Some of those people were probably environmental activists...and a lot of them weren't. I WOULD bet, though, that a larger percentage of them than in other concert populations have done service work for the environment at some point in their lives. But again, NO DATA! Just opinion based on observation.

For every venue manager who says the Dead were bad, there's one who says they were better than everyone else. "I'd rather work nine Grateful Dead concerts than one Oregon football game," Police Det. Rick Raynor said. "They don't get belligerent like they do at the games." Brock, Ted (1990-06-26). "MORNING BRIEFING: IN OREGON, THEY'RE GRATEFUL FOR ALL EXTRA CASH THEY GET". Los Angeles Times: p. C2.

Weir's been active in recent years for environmental causes and I guess will be doing Earth Day in DC this year along with other invited celebrities. Not proof of anything regarding fans, but a positive thing to note, nonetheless. And an indication of band members' values.

Then there's the Rex Foundation, of course. http://rexfoundation.org/home/social-change/

There's also this interesting article:

(2007-12-09). "COUNTERCULTURE GREEN". The New York Times.

The Whole Earth Catalog, originally published in 1968, had one of the most arresting covers in 20th-century publishing: an image of the Earth as seen from space. The idea for the picture came to Stewart Brand, Whole Earth's publisher, in 1966, when, in the throes of an acid trip, he thought, ''Seeing an image of the earth from space would change a lot of things.'' Brand positioned himself on the campus of the University of California, Berkeley, wearing a sandwich board and selling lapel buttons that asked, ''Why haven't we seen a photograph of the whole Earth yet?'' He mailed the buttons to Congress, and legend has it his lobbying goaded NASA into releasing celestial pictures from an Apollo mission.

According to ''Counterculture Green: The Whole Earth Catalog and American Environmentalism,'' by Andrew G. Kirk, the mind-blowing photo of our planet was a catalyst for the ecology movement. The Whole Earth Catalog itself became the voice of a new kind of environmental advocacy that, rather than shunning science as nature's enemy, embraced it as the key that could unlock the door to personal freedom and create a post-scarcity social utopia. Advances like pictures from space, personal computers, geodesic domes and even nuclear power were all part of what became known as the ''appropriate technology movement,'' for which the Whole Earth Catalog was both a resource and a summary. No tree-hugging Luddite or apocalyptic doomsayer, Brand, Kirk writes, had an optimistic outlook shaped by ''a love of good tools, thoughtful technology, scientific inquiry and a Western libertarian skepticism of the government's ability to take the lead in these areas.'' Brand wrote of his own publication, ''This is a book of tools for saving the world at the only scale it can be done, one hand at a time.''

...

That's not to say Brand and his comrades weren't wild and crazy. Brand enthusiastically described the Alloy Gathering in New Mexico in the spring of 1969 as ''outlaws, dope fiends and fanatics.'' They were ''doers primarily, with a functional grimy grasp on the world. World thinkers, dropouts from specialization. Hope freaks.'' Kirk notes that ''from a distance'' the Alloy Gathering might have looked like just another extended hippie party, but inside its domes was ''a remarkable collection of productive appropriate-technology innovators mapping out a tech-friendly environmental ethic decades ahead of its time.'' Among Brand's fellows in the movement were Steve Baer, who had designed the alternative energy structures at the Drop City commune in Colorado; J. Baldwin, the New Age hippie who was a Whole Earth writer and editor and a '''thing-maker, tool-freak and prototyper' for an inventive generation''; John Perry Barlow, a Grateful Dead lyricist and counterculture libertarian who referred to cyberspace as the Electronic Frontier; and Buckminster Fuller, the iconoclastic designer whom Whole Earth introduced ''to a new generation -- promoting him to the status of cult hero.''

...




tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Apr 18, 2010 - 08:47pm PT
Like i said. The music is awsome, its cool to mingle with street people and eat 50 cent grilled cheese cooked on a camp stove in the dirt but don't kid yourself about the tour being nirvana. Its just a bunch of folks getting wasted..;)
tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Apr 18, 2010 - 10:28pm PT
400 shows.. thats about $12,000 in admissions. that's one hell of a climbing trip.......

The thing that disturbs me about tour is so many people putting so much time and energy into partying without much return on their investment in the way of bettering themselfs or society.. In 10 shows or less you can learn how to live on the street which is a good perspective to have but not something you want to make a real habbit of..
A climbing bum can also learn to be homeless while getting in superb physical condition and experienceing an amazeing ammout of natural beauty. Meanwhile the deadhead just gets fcked up and listens to the same 150 songs endlessly...

My advice to any young kid with the urge to go on tour is go to a few shows every now and then but save your money, buy an instrument and learn how to make music instead of just listening to it.... YMMV
yosguns

climber
Durham, NC
Apr 18, 2010 - 11:53pm PT
tradman, I appreciate this sentiment a lot more than passing Dead Heads off as hypocrites.

I've often felt this divide with my parents. They understand the appeal of a community of climbers because they relate it to their experience with the Dead. But, I always felt discomfort at accepting the two experiences as one in the same. As a climber, I always felt so much more productive even though the time commitment, bumming, and unemployment could be similar in both communities.

I think climbing gives me a lot more for my investment. Dead shows are an easy and quick fix comparatively. From there, I can't help but think young people would benefit more from climbing outdoors, choosing their routes...than spending all that time spinning around at Dead shows.

But...as you say, shows also also serve a purpose. :-) I'm not sure if the Dead Heads who didn't have the opportunity to climb are better or worse off for the time they spent at shows. I personally would much rather have more Dead Heads wandering around than not Dead Heads...and climber Dead Heads trump all.
drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 19, 2010 - 12:19am PT
tradman~ you make some valid points but many of your opinions seem to be those of a more casual observer.
Indeed, when climbing took over my life, travelling to shows seemed pointless. I had had enough of cities and crowds... but what a kid can learn about themselves, our country, self reliance, car repair(!)...is priceless. The memories and friends I have from traveling with the Dead will be cherished forever, just like my climbing experiences.

Tour was just a microdot, I mean, microcosm of society in general. Good and bad.
The sweeping generalizations you make about the scene and Heads are kinda lame, but common. Whatever...
At least you dig the music, which was and is what it's all about, for me at least.
Your comment about buying an instrument and playing is right on! My life became much richer when i learned how to play the guitar and comleted my first song, "Loser".
Last fair deal in the country!

Oh, and tickets didn't cost 30 bucks a pop.. not even New Years!!!
and you think Pate ACTULLY PAID for all those tickets???!!!!
Hahahahahahahahahahahaaha
tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Apr 19, 2010 - 08:43am PT
Early nintys tickets were 26- 28 but there was always tax and some other fee tacked on by the seller. I budgeted it at $30 when i was being honest with myself.. Unless Pate is a hot chick or a dealer there is no effin way he is getting miricaled.. that sh#t does not happen to guys unless they are the candy man... don't forget the quarters you wasted dialing 1-900 RUN DEAD to find out the date the tickets go on sale so you could do your mail in.. Or the days you wasted sitting on a sidewalk waiting in line to buy tickets..
Seriously unless you are a hot chick or a dealer, tour costs a shitload more money than you think...........

INMOP the tour is a neat semi usefull experience if you get out in time.. There are a lot of pitfalls allong the way that can seriously mess up your life in the long term....

These days I play a bunch of other stuff but my set list still includes..

Loser
Jack a roe
Dark Hollow
All arround this world
China Doll
Cassidy
I know you rider
Girl from the crossroad Bar
Bird song
Jack straw
Warf rat
Dire Wolf
Stella Blue
etc...

tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Apr 19, 2010 - 09:30am PT
It is 17 years since I took this photo.. I wonder what these chicks are doing now. In their mid 30's? Are they productive members of society? did they fall between the cracks? It would bee very neat to find out....
nkgphoto.com(C)1993
nkgphoto.com(C)1993
Credit: tradmanclimbs
tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Apr 19, 2010 - 09:39am PT
Both these guys are drinking the same beer. In one shot the drunk is pushing a cop car.. in the other he has just climbed a wicked cool boulder.. the photographer is buzzed in both photos..

The desert experience was hands down cooler and more of an influence on my life....
nkgphoto.com(C)1994
nkgphoto.com(C)1994
Credit: tradmanclimbs
nkgphoto.com(C)1996
nkgphoto.com(C)1996
Credit: tradmanclimbs
Pate

Trad climber
Apr 19, 2010 - 09:54am PT
tradman- you're the kind of unenlightened day-tripper moron we all wish had just stayed away.

you probably would have been better off at a Phish show.
Norwegian

Trad climber
Placerville, California
Apr 19, 2010 - 11:06am PT
someone say grilled cheese?
Credit: Norwegian
Rudyj2

Trad climber
UT
Apr 19, 2010 - 11:20am PT



I know a little something
you won't ever know


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMePHT3dBPM

Doug Robinson

Trad climber
Santa Cruz
Apr 19, 2010 - 11:46am PT
Tradman, everyone comes into the game at whatever level (s)he can find to play it, and runs it out as best (s)he can.

The dude pushing on the cop car suffers from testosterone poisoning, pretty common in young guys. Some of them also happen to be Deadheads. He may have been constrained by so urban a horizon that he never found boulders to climb and wild country to soothe his yearning.

Lucky, lucky second guy. No fault to the limitations of first guy. But certainly an opportunity for first guy if he ever stumbled into a climbing gym or The Gulch.

Met an older chick yesterday whose life was totally changed by a single acid trip in her 20s. Can't speak for the two women in your photo, but this one is in later life a massage therapist so respected and in demand she sometimes works 12 hours in a day.

I never went to that many shows, but the Dead are on my iPod every time I duck into the woods or the mountains. Changed my life as much as the drugs did, as much as the holy stone did.

I grieve the t-shirt I once left on the ground at a show when I ecstatically ripped it from my body in the sunshine. But they -- the combination of the Dead, the Alpine, and the Drugs -- also inspired me to put up the Dark Star.
Pate

Trad climber
Apr 19, 2010 - 12:07pm PT
awesome post Doug- Inspiration!
tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Apr 19, 2010 - 01:52pm PT
Pate, what part makes me the moron? the part where i stopped going to shows when jerry died? the part where I questioned the validity of feeling special just because you hang out with a bunch of really cool people and get wasted a bunch, the part where i worried about the future of some of the young folks caught up in it? The part where I figured out that climbing was way cooler than doing drugs at shows? Yes it was a super cool experience if you got off the buss at the right stop. The right stop is deferent for eveyone but I do know a few who missed that stop..

One of the guys I worked with this winter got busted Again for distribution at further in Feb.. dude is way old enough to know better but still riding the same buss......
tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Apr 19, 2010 - 01:59pm PT
BTW, Fish sucks! Way to busy..
Pate

Trad climber
Apr 19, 2010 - 02:24pm PT
You need some sleep.
Pate

Trad climber
Apr 19, 2010 - 02:29pm PT
Credit: Pate

drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 19, 2010 - 02:30pm PT
You know this space is getting hot.

or is it

you know it's gonna get stranger.

hey...

Let's get on with the show!
Pate

Trad climber
Apr 19, 2010 - 02:38pm PT
Credit: Pate
Credit: Pate
Credit: Pate
Credit: Pate
Credit: Pate
Credit: Pate
Credit: Pate
Credit: Pate


Mick K

climber
Northern Sierra
Apr 19, 2010 - 02:42pm PT
I dare you to try it....you just might like it...

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1968-10-20.sbd.miller.9071.shnf
Pate

Trad climber
Apr 19, 2010 - 02:43pm PT
Credit: Pate
Credit: Pate
Credit: Pate
Pate

Trad climber
Apr 19, 2010 - 02:45pm PT
Mick- that show is so sick- that's been a personal favorite of mine for a long time! PM me and I'll send you a link to an MP3 sbd download I have of it.
Pate

Trad climber
Apr 19, 2010 - 02:53pm PT
Credit: Pate

does anyone know where this sign is?
Norwegian

Trad climber
Placerville, California
Apr 19, 2010 - 03:00pm PT
Credit: henrietta
tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Apr 19, 2010 - 05:51pm PT
nkgphoto.com(C)1994
nkgphoto.com(C)1994
Credit: tradmanclimbs
Ricardo Cabeza

climber
All Over.
Apr 19, 2010 - 06:03pm PT
OK, I have an addiction to electronic music, and it's due to the Dead and Phish.

I'll admit it, I like to fry my brains out and roll my head off ( the latter may not be your guys styles, but whatever.)

The source of my addiction was the Dead in the late 70's, when estimated came out and Donna screamed like the she-banshee that she was. That was growing up. Once I hit adulthood, the Dead were done and I looked for the next-best-thing.

I found it in Phish. In the late 90's, they were HOT! Deep jams, great lights.
I loved it when I was frying and the blue lights came up...magic!!!!

I continued my love of the Dead and Phish for years, until I hit my first rave.
It was DJ Lorin (bassnectar) of Burning Man fame.
I was sober at the show, and it changed my life.
The bass, the...everything.

I'm sure i'm not the first hippie turned raver out there.

It's not about drugs, but at certain times, they are worthy.

I could write for days about this, but I won't.
tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Apr 19, 2010 - 06:25pm PT
Fish is just too nervous for me. It does not have the steady groove that the Dead has...
tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Apr 19, 2010 - 06:51pm PT
Yes Doug, that was a stellar post.. We all are just trying to get by the best we can......
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Apr 19, 2010 - 07:03pm PT
Fish productsô is too busy.
Phish, sucks.

so to speak. YMMV
Ricardo Cabeza

climber
All Over.
Apr 19, 2010 - 07:15pm PT
Ashes, Ashes all fall down.

Blazin strong right now, brothers.
Rudyj2

Trad climber
UT
Apr 23, 2010 - 11:07pm PT
I started out on burgundy
But soon hit the harder stuff
Everybody said they'd stand behind me
When the game got rough
But the joke was on me
There was nobody even there to bluff
I'm going back to New York City
I do believe I've had enough.

New Furthur shows just announced in NYC.

http://www.furthur.net/
Norwegian

Trad climber
Placerville, California
Apr 23, 2010 - 11:22pm PT
water bright as the sky from which it came.
we can count the angels, dancin on a pin.
Pate

Trad climber
Apr 23, 2010 - 11:26pm PT
Listen to the thunder shout
yosguns

climber
Durham, NC
Apr 24, 2010 - 01:55am PT
I am. I am...

(...studying, if anyone asks.)
yosguns

climber
Durham, NC
May 4, 2010 - 11:14pm PT
Omaha Civic Auditorium on 1973-10-21

Anyone know where I can procure a good recording of this one?
Pate

Trad climber
May 7, 2010 - 05:06pm PT
yosguns. www.archive.org
justthemaid

climber
Jim Henson's Basement
May 7, 2010 - 10:15pm PT
For a while I dated a guy that worked the shows. I pretty much attended every California show between 1989 and 1991. Fun times.
drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - May 8, 2010 - 05:45pm PT
http://www.archive.org/details/gd83-10-14.horvath-atm.dodd.16907.sbeok.shnf

This was my very first bootleg. The second set.
Wore it out.
Love it to this day.

This is one of my favorite Scarlet>Fires..
Spanish Jam is just unreal.

A little known fact- this was
Trey Anastasio's first Dead show.

yosguns

climber
Durham, NC
May 8, 2010 - 08:02pm PT
Got it on the archive, was wondering if there was a higher quality copy somewhere. Also, is there a way to rip archive sets onto CD?
Steve Grossman

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
May 9, 2010 - 01:05pm PT
As I was hiking through the mountains of stuff in my father's house, I came across this sweet graphic from 67.



Jefe- How the hell did I not meet you at Birdfest?!? I did get your e-mail about Maurice and it made me laugh heartily. My dear old dad was certainly "one funky dude!" as you put it. None Funkier in my experience! LOL

His response to the mention of the Grateful Dead was always "what about the Ungrateful Living?!?"
Pate

Trad climber
May 9, 2010 - 02:55pm PT
Steve, that's for sure a rarity. If you don't frame it or something maybe consider donating it to the new museum in Santa Cruz! I'm sure they would love to have it, and that skull and roses would feel " at home" there. Then again it would look spiffy framed on the wall next to that skull and roses plate you have in your bathroom!
Steve Grossman

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
May 9, 2010 - 03:56pm PT
That "plate" is a Frisbee art disc, actually! Perfect for the bathroom because it is a little too nice to embellish with scuffs and dog bites! LOL
Pate

Trad climber
May 12, 2010 - 12:01pm PT
Credit: Pate
Jeremy

Social climber
Albuquerque, NM
May 12, 2010 - 12:03pm PT
This f*#king thread is still around!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ah....what the f*#k...BUMP for all my hippy friends!!!

WOO HOO!!!!!!!!!!!


J
Steve Grossman

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
May 12, 2010 - 12:08pm PT
One man gathers what another man spills...
Norwegian

Trad climber
Placerville, California
May 12, 2010 - 12:23pm PT
when there were no strings to play, you played to me.
when i had no wings to fly, you flew to me.
when there was no dream of mine, you dreamed of me.

-r.h. at his best.
Pate

Trad climber
May 12, 2010 - 12:44pm PT
Credit: Pate
Trouble Ahead- Jerry In Red
Credit: Pate
Credit: Pate
Credit: Pate
Credit: Pate
Credit: Pate
To all you dissers and nay-sayers:
Credit: Pate
Pate

Trad climber
May 12, 2010 - 12:53pm PT
Jerry Garcia Band.
Credit: Pate
That's a lot of hair.
Norwegian

Trad climber
Placerville, California
May 12, 2010 - 12:54pm PT
me an my uncle, went ridin' down... south colorado. west texas bound.
we stopped over, in sante fe. that being the point, just 'bout half way,
and you know it was the hottest part of the day.

Credit: Norwegian

.....

ashes, ashes. we all fall down.


Credit: Norwegian

old beas, i hope you travel far and free upon the mountain winds of the shasta.

edit,
btw, the overalls that dick is wearing in that first picture, i now don proudly:
Credit: Norwegian
Norwegian

Trad climber
Placerville, California
May 12, 2010 - 08:22pm PT
how about that Spinach Jam stuffed between some drums and the Other One.
hartford!

10/14/83 dick's picks six.

donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
May 12, 2010 - 08:24pm PT
Not a lot of talent, but fans too stoned to discern.
Norwegian

Trad climber
Placerville, California
May 12, 2010 - 08:36pm PT
donini, please keep your uneducated and silly opinions silenced.
all due respect for you, indeed.

but i hear the dead sober often and they get inside my head and make me smile from the inside. eh?

the boys, they possessed talent that was not easily discernable by the...
well, by some.

Pate

Trad climber
May 12, 2010 - 08:58pm PT
Credit: Pate
Credit: Pate
Pate

Trad climber
May 12, 2010 - 10:08pm PT
Anywhere that this happens is a good place.
Credit: Pate
Steve Grossman

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
May 13, 2010 - 10:39am PT
Jim- Are you calling the Great Fred Beckey "too stoned to discern?!?"
drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - May 13, 2010 - 10:56am PT
...Let the world go by
all lost and dreamin'....

as for donini~
I'm sorry that you feel that way,
only thing there is to say,
every silver linings got a
touch of gray.


HEY NOW!
Norwegian

Trad climber
Placerville, California
May 13, 2010 - 11:40am PT
copenhagen, 1973
Credit: Norwegian

dancer.
Credit: Norwegian

1969.
Credit: Norwegian

mr. lesh.
Credit: Norwegian
Pate

Trad climber
May 13, 2010 - 11:42am PT
jefe nails the most perfect use of a Touch Of Gray line ever.

the old gang- there's climbers swirling around in there. and girls. lots of girls.
Credit: Pate
drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - May 13, 2010 - 11:57am PT
Grossman~ Fred wasn't stoned, he was DEAF!
Phil,"Everybody take a step BACK"
Becky,"WHAT?.

And the only reason he would like the Dead was the girls!
Pate

Trad climber
May 17, 2010 - 09:59pm PT
Did i take a wrong turn - in on lifeís winding road?
Wonít somebody help me find the right way to go?
My life need some correction, alteration and direction.
Wont somebody stand by me - yes, iím lost, yes, iím lost, yes, iím lost.

-Two Souls In Communion
Norwegian

Trad climber
Placerville, California
May 26, 2010 - 04:05pm PT
reflect your inner flair.
steal your face right off your head.

Credit: Norwegian
Pate

Trad climber
May 26, 2010 - 04:12pm PT
What I said.
cp0915

Mountain climber
LV NV
May 26, 2010 - 04:14pm PT
Pretty stoked to be heading to Furthur Fest this weekend. Forecast looks good, the music should be great, and I'm all smiles.
drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - May 26, 2010 - 09:00pm PT
it's been hot for seven weeks now,
too hot to even speak now,
did you hear what I just heard?

hey now~
check 5.7.77 first set.
(((smokin!)))
one of my faves.
TMJesse

Mountain climber
Olympia, WA
May 26, 2010 - 09:50pm PT
Wheel from the top of the Greek
Wheel from the top of the Greek
Credit: TMJesse
Kalimon

Trad climber
Ridgway, CO
May 27, 2010 - 01:20am PT
If all you've got to live for is what you left behind . . . get yourself a powder charge and seal that silver mine

Lost my boots in transit babe . . . a pile of smoking leather . . . I nailed a retread to my feet and prayed for better weather!
Norwegian

Trad climber
Placerville, California
May 31, 2010 - 09:42am PT
i got no quarter, but i got some time to hear your story.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgHSk91RhL8&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20dic8S3cWI
survival

Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
May 31, 2010 - 09:46am PT
Not a lot of talent, but fans too stoned to discern.


First time I've seen the man be that wrong.
survival

Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
May 31, 2010 - 10:40am PT
Jim's still mad because when we went to a Winterland show together in 75 he tried to pick up Donna Jean and it didn't pan out.

I ended up with Sugar Magnolia and he ended up with a toothless crone.
Norwegian

Trad climber
Placerville, California
May 31, 2010 - 11:22am PT
"..so long as it's wet and wiggles.."

-pigpen
drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 4, 2010 - 11:22am PT
A box of rain will ease the pain
and love will see you through.


Bound to cover just a little more ground.


Healing vibes sent out to Survival and his mom Mildred.


drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 5, 2010 - 07:15pm PT
Red Bear
Red Bear
Credit: drljefe
Pate

Trad climber
Jun 5, 2010 - 07:52pm PT
Get back Truckin' On!!!!!!!!!!!!!


post #400
drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 8, 2010 - 03:16am PT
Went back for a little reread...
This stood out-

Thanks Ed Hartouni

I thought when he died that it was more from his hyperactivity then the drug abuse. He just "emptied the tank" and coasted to a stop, too exhausted to find a filling station."

Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Jun 8, 2010 - 03:55am PT
"knock, knock, knockin' on heaven's door..."
tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Jun 8, 2010 - 09:14am PT
Jerry died from drug abuse, poor diet and lack of exersize. Trying to sugarcoat it is pathetic.
Norwegian

Trad climber
Placerville, California
Jun 8, 2010 - 09:24am PT
jerry's soul was exhausted thru several mediums.
poor health was only one of those venues.

in respect for jerry's passage thru our space, and then away from our space, it is not pathetic to recognize the other, more romantic mediums thru which he escaped.

one of those being that he poured out his inspiration for so many years, and so intensely, that he simply spent his chi.

much like other artists who passed thru this life with the gas pedal pegged: hendrix, morrison, cobain, kerouac, bachar, porter, fowler, and many, many others.

to negatively summarize a respectful eulogy for someone's passing is pretty pathetic, tradman.
tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Jun 8, 2010 - 09:38am PT
There is nothing romantic about a rock and roll heart attack. I have lost 2 of my friends this way and it sucks. One of the issues is that fans, in this case dead heads try to justify their own drug habits through their idols. The thing I heard the most when Jerry died was that he shouldn't have gone to rehab. Dude, rehab killed him. He should have kept partying man...

If a few of those people had caught the reality bug and and said to themselfs, Self, you need to clean up and take better care of yourself then Jerry's passing would have done some real good in this world.
tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Jun 8, 2010 - 10:09am PT
Pate you are so full of sh#t again. WTF??
I NEVER said that jerry died of a drug overdose. You are one lying sack of shit!

I said "Jerry died from drug abuse, poor diet and lack of exersize."

Nothing in that statement indicates that it was an overdose.

A lifetime of poor diet and drug and alchohol abuse is what put him in the poor health situation that overcame him. The diabetes was a direct result of poor diet and exersise habbits and compounded by the drug use. That is simple fact.

Annother simple fact is that many dead heads blamed rehab for his death rather than confront the reality of the life decisions that lead to his poor health.
tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Jun 8, 2010 - 10:14am PT
Pate, you must be a fckin republican. You quote me as saying that jerry died of a drug overdose. That is a flat out lie! I never said that. You are a liar and a bully. Despicable.
drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 8, 2010 - 10:15am PT
Here's Hartouni's full post that I took that from.

Aug 9, 2009 - 03:07pm PT
Jaybro, that would be very high praise indeed. Garcia was unbelievably active in music, he seemed to be everywhere, all the time, working on nearly every genre of popular music, even making some music genres popular. A brilliant and accomplished muscian.

I thought when he died that it was more from his hyperactivity then the drug abuse. He just "emptied the tank" and coasted to a stop, too exhausted to find a filling station.


Can't believe it started a minishitstorm. Oh yeah I can.


Tradman-retreat! retreat! please?
tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Jun 8, 2010 - 10:26am PT
That is a beautiful post and I have no problem with it as such. It's a nice thing to say about a wonderfull artist.

Pate is still a liar and a bully.
Pate

Trad climber
Jun 8, 2010 - 10:27am PT
2 cheap shots edited out. Not fair to shoot fish in a barrel.

It would burn off both your ears.




But still, you're posts on an obviously positive thread devoted to deadication are weaksauce Tradman. goo back and read the first post. No one cares about your anger at the Grateful Dead and it's followers and fans.
drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 8, 2010 - 10:27am PT
At least pate isn't sugarcoating. That would be pathetic.
drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 8, 2010 - 10:30am PT
"That is a beautiful post and I have no problem with it as such. It's a nice thing to say about a wonderfull artist."
Tradman, why didn't you just say that in the first place?

I didn't really have to release the hounds, you know.
tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Jun 8, 2010 - 10:47am PT
At first glance it flashed me back to when jerry died and all the heads were in the pool room at Uncle Sams Roadhouse and they were all crying about how he should never have gone to rehab and should have just kept doing the drugs. the same theam was repeted over and over again at the candle light vigils and concert that we held. A few years later the 32yr old bass player from that concert had his own rock and roll heart attack due to kidney failure brought on by alchohol and drug abuse..

Jerry brought a wonderfull light into this world and it was extinguished early due to a chronic lifestyle of drugs, booze and chili dogs.

It gets a bit sad when kids worship the vices of their heros. The music is special but the lifestyle ain't what it's cracked up to be.

Pate is still a liar and a bully.
tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Jun 8, 2010 - 11:11am PT
And you are a liar and a bully.
drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 8, 2010 - 11:15am PT
Pate

Trad climber
Jun 8, 2010 - 11:19am PT
classic.
drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 8, 2010 - 11:21am PT
drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 8, 2010 - 11:25am PT


420
BrianH

Trad climber
santa fe
Jun 8, 2010 - 03:44pm PT
The Dead Head Thread (OT and Not) drljefe Jun 8, 2010 08:25am 420

Ha, this is where I saw this thread.

My first show was Madison Square Garden, fall of '79. What were my parents thinking, letting me go like that? I traveled the east coast seeing their shows, the last was in Wash. DC in the mid-90s, one of their last.

All sorts of beautiful memories come tumbling out right now.

I was in Boulder when I hear of his death. One of my colleagues mocked my grief and I did tell him to STFU. I went and banged drums that night and very much enjoyed the energy there. It's the one and only time I've been part of a drum circle.

k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Jun 8, 2010 - 05:32pm PT
Sat.
American Beauty -> Working Man's Dead -> Anthem of the Sun

Sun.
Blues for Allah -> Aoxomoxoa -> Terrapin Station

Bravo.
Norwegian

Trad climber
Placerville, California
Jun 9, 2010 - 12:42am PT
woof. woof.

jerry always had that jenius just beyond his finger tips. he grabbed it, yes and held on tight but the pursuit of which devoured the achievement.

that glorius moment which beckons us onward is still. we ramble on and diesel down and dance around the sun in admirable efforts to be, in that glorious moment. but it is still.

so in our hasty pursuit, we fly right by it, and if we're lucky we sneek a glimpse of that which we pursue and behold it's potential though then we coast on by to beyond the moment because no emotional brakes are strong enough to interrupt the momentum of our glee and, then, we're gone. and we cant find it anymore, because it is still. and we are not.

beyond the moment is grandoise in it's confusion and wonder. we are lost, and all of our screaming dreams are reduced to one, feeble wish, but it whispers and is caught up in the aimless breezes and taken to all places simultaneously but noone hears it except wall street and the boss cannot explain the sudden thousand percent jump in the dow.
cowpoke

climber
Jun 9, 2010 - 10:14am PT
Can't talk to you
without talking to me,
we're guilty of the same
old thing

Talking a lot about less and less
and forgetting
the love we bring.

cp0915

Mountain climber
LV NV
Jun 9, 2010 - 11:08am PT
Sat.
American Beauty -> Working Man's Dead -> Anthem of the Sun

Sun.
Blues for Allah -> Aoxomoxoa -> Terrapin Station

Bravo.

Indeed. And Friday night was better than either.
dr. juicer kaniglio

Trad climber
san diego, ca
Jun 9, 2010 - 12:15pm PT
I saw the Further crew (bobbi, and phil), in Angels Camp a week ago. Amazing venue, and close to the valley. It was my first Dead show and I was completely blown away. The scene was down and dirty, and there were some roughneck people about. I saw the sunrise all three days. One of the best three day shows iv ever seen. Those people definitely know how to party...
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Jun 9, 2010 - 12:17pm PT
I'm not now nor was I a Dead Head back in the day. I remember debating Workingman's Dead back in high school when it was released, whether or not that represented a step forward or a step backward... since I was a big psychedelic rock fan I missed the interesting direction the Dead were going in... many steps forward.

But when you look at the whole SF rock scene its hard to separate the players into bands... I remember a couple of years later, when a student at UCB, going by the Keystone on University Ave and seeing on the marquee: "Jerry Garcia and Friends" it seemed like it always was happening, so I never saw a performance there, assuming we'd always be able to...

...it was more fun, for me, to travel out to Golden Gate Park and attend a free concert at Speedway Meadow... and I liked the Airplane better, anyway, even though the bands mixed members for these sorts of impromptu performances... maybe it was Grace...

...but I listen to the Dead now, and marvel at their musicality, and especially at the quality of their recordings from back when some truly bad stuff was recorded... and the apparent ease of it all, and the fun.

Hard to be judgmental about the drugs, seems we all had fun with that back then, and paid the bill later in one way or the other. Part of the "thrill of living" when we had these great bodies and minds and anything seemed possible. Unfortunately we turned a deaf ear to the wisdom of our elders, "you don't need to experience everything, especially if you know what's likely to happen."

Who can regret the indiscretions of youth?

drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 10, 2010 - 01:18pm PT
A rare and different tune...


Ed, cool. You must be familiar with the PERRO recordings and Wally Heider Studios and that whole scene. The "cross polination" that has always seemed to exist in the Bay Area music scene is really cool.

I'm not able to provide a link right now, but a great, widely circulated bootleg of Garcia, Grisman, And Tony Rice was eventually released officially as the "Pizza Tapes".
Legend has it that a delivery guy lifted one of the masters of the guys pickin an grinnin on a boat in Sausilito. Great stuff with some funny interludes. Check it out!
Norwegian

Trad climber
Placerville, California
Jun 10, 2010 - 01:39pm PT
i done f*#ked up already!
drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 10, 2010 - 03:03pm PT
classic^^^^^
here's another
Appetizer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylx7akIbDiw&feature=related

Rosa Lee McFall!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8S9YkhDjWM&feature=related
drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 10, 2010 - 03:06pm PT
here's some p.e.r.r.o stuff
http://www.aquariumdrunkard.com/2009/01/05/david-crosby-1970-outtakes-aka-perro-tapes/
Ricardo Cabeza

climber
All Over.
Jun 10, 2010 - 03:23pm PT
Nice! I dig Perro tapes.

An aside, I just saw Govt Mule last weekend and Warren is still crushing it! His Sat night set was almost all covers, done VERY well! I got to go backstage and hang out in the sound trailer at the end of the show, it was really cool to see how those guys make it happen behind the scenes, even if I was a little, um, nevermind.

Also saw Allison Krauss, Spearhead, Levon Helms, Derek Trucks,Les Claypool,Sam Bush, Steve Earle, many others. Such a worthwhile roadtrip.

Any east coasters should check out Mountain Jam next year.

Now I've got to get ready for Nateva Festival (sick!), Gathering of the Vibes, and Black Rock City. It's going to be a long, strange summer.

Fare thee well now, let your life proceed by it's own design...
drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 15, 2010 - 12:28pm PT
just got a copy of this
http://www.dead.net/features/road-trips-volume-3-number-1

79 was an exciting time for the Dead-
Debut of "Tiger" for Jerry
Bobby playing his "Cowboy" Ibanez solid body
Phil on "Big Brown"
New house PA
"The Beast"- New drum set up developed for Apocalypse Now
Brent finishing up his first year

The sound is cracklin' on this one boys!
survival

Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
Jun 15, 2010 - 12:46pm PT
Send me a bootleg copy....heh..heh....
Mick K

climber
Northern Sierra
Jun 15, 2010 - 12:49pm PT
Phil and Bobby are taking it Furthur at Red Rocks this Fall. Tickets are on sale now! http://furthur.net/

Anyone know if there is bouldering in or around Red Rocks?

Furthur 5/30/10 http://www.archive.org/details/furthur2010-05-30.nak300.gilmore.108032.flac16
cowpoke

climber
Jun 15, 2010 - 07:25pm PT
Brent finishing up his first year
this summer, it will be 20 years since his last.

whew. i miss him.

I had a lot of dreams once, but some of them came true...
Kalimon

Trad climber
Ridgway, CO
Jun 16, 2010 - 09:54pm PT
If my words did glow with the gold of sunshine and my tunes were played on the harp unstrung,

would you hear my voice come through the music, would you hold it near as it were your own?
Pate

Trad climber
Jun 16, 2010 - 11:34pm PT
Credit: Bob Minkin

If I had the world to give, I'd give it to you
Long as you live, would you let it fall, or hold it all in your arms?

If I had a song to sing, I'd sing it to you
as long as you live, lullaby or maybe a plain serenade
wouldn't you laugh, dance, and cry or be afraid at the change you made

I may not have the world to give to you
But maybe I have a tune or two
Only if you let me be your world
Could I ever give this world to you

But I will give what love I have to give,
I will give what love I have to give,
I will give what love I have to give, long as I live.

If I had a star to give, I'd give it to you
long as you live, would you have the time
to watch it shine, watch it shine
or ask for the moon and heaven too? I'd give it to you.

Well maybe I've got no star to spare, or anything fine or even rare,
only if you let me be your world, could I ever give this world to you.
could I ever give this world to you
Pate

Trad climber
Jun 17, 2010 - 11:43am PT
20 years ago I know what I was doing.

Credit: Pate
Kalimon

Trad climber
Ridgway, CO
Jun 18, 2010 - 01:25am PT
It's a hand me down . . . the thoughts are broken, perhaps they're better left unsung . . . I don't know, don't really care . . . let there be songs to fill the air . . .
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Jun 18, 2010 - 01:44am PT
Ripple in, still water...
drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 18, 2010 - 06:15pm PT
On this day in Dead history...

I was in the Bay Area for the Summer Solstice run at Shoreline,'89.
http://www.archive.org/details/gd89-06-18.sbd.wiley.9053.sbeok.shnf

Kind of a sloppy show, but no ordinary sloppy show!
Things got a little heavy for me during the second set, but the boys brought me back like only they could. Jaybro will dig.
I ended up walking from Shoreline back to my hotel on El Camino Real in Palo Alto.
How far is that, really? Anyone?

And here's a legendary one from Freedom Hall
http://www.archive.org/details/gd1974-06-18.sbd.miller.89690.sbeok.flac16

Anyone else wear this tape out?
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Jun 18, 2010 - 07:17pm PT
Get 'em while they're HOT!

http://www.ticketmaster.com/event/0B0044D1D8625A87?artistid=735200&majorcatid=10001&minorcatid=1
Kalimon

Trad climber
Ridgway, CO
Jun 18, 2010 - 09:19pm PT
That's quite a hike there Jefe . . . you should map it out.

I remember the same feeling of being pulled back in from the edge by the magic of the musical moment . . . sometimes you have to go all to pieces in order to put it all back together again.
Kalimon

Trad climber
Ridgway, CO
Jun 18, 2010 - 09:46pm PT
Mick K,

Yes there is bouldering in Morrison south of Red Rocks. Take State Route 26
past R.R. Amphitheater into the town of Morrison. At the stop light take a left and park on the right near the end of town next to the creek. Morrison Wall is above the road opposite the parking. The Black Hole, Wisdom Simulator, Lobby Area (Warm-up Wall), Hairy Scary Wall, Sailor's Delight, Cockpit, 5.8 Boulder, Tree Slab, Magnum Wall, Spike Rock, Bowling Ball Wall and Nautilus Wall are all found in this area.

Morrison South Side is 0.2 miles out of town then right on Soda Lakes Road and tends to be less crowded. Many problems will be found in this area.

Check out Philip Benningfield's "Colorado Bouldering" for complete details.
Kind of dated compared to some more recent publications.
Norwegian

Trad climber
Placerville, California
Jun 18, 2010 - 10:04pm PT
i'm sittin' with abraham and isaac,
waitin for a left hand monkey wrench to find me.

we finished my bottle and we're breakin' into yours...
Kalimon

Trad climber
Ridgway, CO
Jun 19, 2010 - 12:38am PT
Half a cup of rock and Rye . . . Farewell to you old southern skies, I'm on my way!
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Jun 19, 2010 - 01:45am PT
on my way,

If all you got to live for is what you left behind,

Get yourself a powder charge and seal that silver mine.
drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ