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drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Original Post - Aug 3, 2009 - 12:07pm PT
Copperheads, Jerry Garcia.

We are in the middle of 9 days of Jerry. He was born August 1st and died August 9th. I pay extra respect during this time and remember many good times. I know there are plenty of Heads on here, so post up.

Also, this week there are probably big wall guys and gals dealing with small pieces of mashed up metal in granite. Discuss...

"Sometimes we live no particular way but our own..."




survival

Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
Aug 3, 2009 - 12:28pm PT
"We can have us, a HIGH TIME, livin' the good life!"

Dark Star Orchestra, out west for lots of dates this fall.
Look for a date near you in CO, OR, WA, CA, MT, ID, NV, UT!!!
http://www.darkstarorchestra.net/NEWSITE/HTML/dso.php?sec=tour&PHPSESSID=947f1ccd02ea718011444662fc101cb0

I saw them back east, and it is DEFINITELY worth the trip. Here's a link to a thread I put up recently.
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.html?topic_id=915514&msg=915594#msg915594
survival

Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
Aug 3, 2009 - 12:40pm PT
Slipknot!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZnqymw2Q3w

I'm with you Jefe.
survival

Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
Aug 3, 2009 - 12:43pm PT
West High, Anchorage Alaska is where both of my older kids graduated HS, and the same stage that they both performed on many times.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJHnCEFAj5A
Gobee

Trad climber
Los Angeles
Aug 3, 2009 - 12:56pm PT
"Deal"
Words by Robert Hunter; music by Jerry Garcia
Copyright Ice Nine Publishing;

Since it cost a lot to win
and even more to lose
You and me bound to spend some time
wondring what to choose

Goes to show you don't ever know
Watch each card you play
and play it slow
Wait until your deal come round
Don't you let that deal go down

I been gambling here abouts
for ten good solid years
If I told you all that went down
it would burn off both your ears

It goes to show you don't ever know
Watch each card you play
and play it slow
Wait until your deal come round
Don't you let that deal go down

Since you poured the wine for me
and tightend up my shoes
I hate to leave you sittin there
composin lonesome blues

It goes to show you don't ever know
Watch each card you play
and play it slow
Wait until your deal come round
Don't you let that deal go down
Don't you let that deal go down, no
Don't you let your deal go down

drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 3, 2009 - 01:06pm PT
The Dead and climbing used to go hand in hand for me...

donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Aug 3, 2009 - 01:08pm PT
Does the term "deadhead" have anything to do with the lack of brain function?
Mick K

climber
Northern Sierra
Aug 3, 2009 - 01:11pm PT
In fact it is just the opposite.

Deadhead = extraordinary brain function
goatboy smellz

climber
लघिमा, co
Aug 3, 2009 - 01:14pm PT
Quixotes is have a 3 day dancing in the streets block party this weekend.

DSO, Steve Kimock, & Papa Mali are the main highlights.

http://www.quixotes.com/Dancin.html

You should drive on up for this survival.
drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 3, 2009 - 01:15pm PT
How bout the old bumper sticker-

THE ONLY GOOD HEAD IS A DEAD HEAD
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Aug 3, 2009 - 01:17pm PT
I thought that "good head" referred to something else.
Mick K

climber
Northern Sierra
Aug 3, 2009 - 01:20pm PT
Doesn't get any better than this

http://www.archive.org/details/gd75-08-13.fm.vernon.23661.sbeok.shnf
survival

Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
Aug 3, 2009 - 01:45pm PT
Here's another great place to listen to whole shows.
WOLFGANG'S VAULT!!
http://www.wolfgangsvault.com/sa/grateful-dead/7413.html

PMB, just got back from a bball tourney in CO Sprgs.
This weekend it's all the way to OK, for a national bball tourney.

"Gotta go to Tulsa, first train we can ride. Gotta settle one old score, one small point of pride."
Peter Haan

Trad climber
San Francisco, CA
Aug 3, 2009 - 02:56pm PT
proof that Ed Hartouni was in on it all along and that Rokjok always knows best.
Doug Robinson

Trad climber
Santa Cruz
Aug 3, 2009 - 03:38pm PT
SEE That!

Peter's post proves that as far as the Atomic Broom goes, "DR did not act alone."

Like I keep tellin' ya, Jerry is behind me all the way. Anyone eavesdropping on my boom box below Temple Crag would have little doubt.

Like, HELLO... Dark Star. Get it?
bhilden

Trad climber
Mountain View, CA
Aug 3, 2009 - 03:42pm PT
The headline in the SF Chronicle announcing Jerry Garcia's death was a classic:

Head Dead Head Dead


Bruce
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Aug 3, 2009 - 04:07pm PT
The Bus came by and I got on ,
that's when it all began,
There was Dr Ed,
as the Head,
of the Bus to never never land, (Vedauwoo)


any word on those Shirts, Dr El jef?

Got the Deacal, the other day Btw, Muchos Garcias!

I sported a '94 Chinese New year shirt (year of the Dawg) to the last wide Wednesday. My family took mom (then 70) to that concert. She loved it, bought a shirt, framed it and had Chasbro get her a concert tape...
Norwegian

Trad climber
Placerville, California
Aug 4, 2009 - 12:30am PT
thank you for politely interrupting the silence gerry.


my girls are fans. i've sung them ripple, and friend of the devil since they were wee lassies

spiral light of venus shining first and shining best. from the northwest corner of a brand new crescent moon...

Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Aug 4, 2009 - 01:38am PT
may the four winds
blow you safely home
nita

climber
chica from chico, I don't claim to be a daisy
Aug 4, 2009 - 01:43am PT
Some very sweet memories ... smiling..dancing..bliss.

Love the sound of Jerry's guitar............;-)

Birdsong
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYA16z2-xFg&feature=related
Doug Robinson

Trad climber
Santa Cruz
Aug 4, 2009 - 01:45am PT
No fair, Norwegian.

You've got yourself two Sugar Magnolias there.

Sweet, sweet.
Risk

Mountain climber
Olympia, WA
Aug 4, 2009 - 01:46am PT
A high school pen and ink effort, circa 1975

Greek, September 13, 1981, 04:59 – Jack Straw
http://www.archive.org/details/gd1981-09-13.sbd-set1.unknown.32132.sbeok.flac16

Peggy O - 6-26-94, Las Vegas
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AX9Vhv4akxc

Lately, I’ll find that while driving I’ll end up crankin up the sound for a Jerry song, and my two daughters (6 and 10) love it and want me to repeat it once it plays.
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Aug 4, 2009 - 02:03am PT
"there is nothing like a ......."

RIP!
BBWolf

climber
Aug 4, 2009 - 10:55am PT
Pate
Thanks for the links. Particularly interested in your JGB shows but when i hit the link

[http://idisk.mac.com/marc_p_peter-Public?view=web]

I see idisk but no music.

Thanks for sharing

Hold on a minute....It is working. Sweet.
Doug Robinson

Trad climber
Santa Cruz
Aug 4, 2009 - 11:05am PT
It's contagious.

My 16-year-old son posted "Friend of the Devil" for his please-enjoy-the-music song on his cell phone.

We're going climbing today...
Steve Grossman

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Aug 4, 2009 - 11:34am PT
When Quinn the eskimo gets here, everybody's gonna dose!

nita

climber
chica from chico, I don't claim to be a daisy
Aug 4, 2009 - 01:44pm PT
Let there be songs to fill the air....

Ripple
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVdTQ3OPtGY

ripple in still water.
nutjob

climber
Berkeley, CA
Aug 4, 2009 - 08:54pm PT
My kids and I have a set of cruisin' songs when we're on the road... Pink Panther theme song and Friend of the Devil are at the top of the list.
drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 6, 2009 - 08:43pm PT

It's frikkin hot in Tucson.
Ice cream sounds good.

pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Aug 6, 2009 - 10:23pm PT
love the Garcia!

have it on my ipod 100% of the time!
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Aug 7, 2009 - 03:33am PT
thanks Tami, I always feel honored that I am in some way associated with him, what a musician!
EP

Social climber
Way Out There
Aug 7, 2009 - 11:46am PT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWfYew3s_Nw&feature=related

Jerry Garcia and Ruben Blades" Muevete"

Jerry solos at 5:45 and kills it, beaming from ear to ear. One of the best solos I have ever heard, totally in the pocket. Talk about a rhythm section and back up band!
nita

climber
chica from chico, I don't claim to be a daisy
Aug 7, 2009 - 12:16pm PT
Thanks EP! I've never seen that video before,most excellent! I used to own a couple of Rubens cassettes BITD..Brenda Lugo turned me on to his music .

Jerry looks like he is having a great time.
Melissa

Gym climber
berkeley, ca
Aug 7, 2009 - 01:20pm PT
The Dead have never been my thing. I got to a post-Jerry reunion concert of sorts once with the VIP passes and all b/c a friend did some work for some of the guys in the band. It was interesting for me in a sociology kinda way, but seeing how out of place I was, I felt guilty taking up a space there. My pass was actually good for the whole weekend, so I was glad to run into a stoner guy from my old lab who lived for that sort of thing and pass it on.

There is a Dead inspired symphony in Santa Cruz this weekend at the Cabrillo music festival. Don't know if it's sold out.
Radish

Trad climber
Seki, California
Aug 7, 2009 - 01:26pm PT
What did one Deadhead say to another Deadhead at a concert when they ran out of weed...........Hey man, dude, this music sucks.....................................just a joke for your friday my friends......
drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 7, 2009 - 02:21pm PT
Hey Rad- that joke sucks! More played out than my favorite bootleg tapes from back in the day.

How many Deadheads does it take to screw in a lightbulb?

One to screw it in, and 10,000 to follow it around and around until it burns out!
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Aug 9, 2009 - 02:20pm PT
I was going to tell the one Drljefe just posted. Grateful day, today all.

"The Wheel keeps turning...
Rhodo-Router

Gym climber
crimping through the start of the Generator
Aug 9, 2009 - 03:29pm PT
I got the most random email from my stepmom (age:70-something) this morning. An excerpt:


"This evening the sunset was really beautiful and B. and I had dinner on the deck -- then I went inside and started making granola, mostly because I hadn't given a birthday gift to a friend (hi, Jill, I'm copying you). I put on a CD -- Workingman's Dead -- and I just want to tell all of you to pass on to your children that the Deadheads did not ever represent the Dead. They were just a bunch of stoners who followed the tours and didn't listen to the music. This is very important to tell your children! The Grateful Dead's music was sweet, almost gentle. In fact, at the time I was kind of dismissive because I liked things a little (as Tina would say) more rough.... but now that I'm um slowing down I realize I was being too dismissive. So listen to that album. "


Way to characterize about 200,000 people...who were apparently onto something about 30 years before you were!
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Aug 9, 2009 - 04:26pm PT
...honestly, I don't see the resemblance


except in quantity of hair...

but I'm happy if people think so
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Aug 9, 2009 - 04:30pm PT
It is possible that it is even more in the creative nature, than just in the photo image.
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Aug 9, 2009 - 06:07pm PT
Jaybro, that would be very high praise indeed. Garcia was unbelievably active in music, he seemed to be everywhere, all the time, working on nearly every genre of popular music, even making some music genres popular. A brilliant and accomplished muscian.

I thought when he died that it was more from his hyperactivity then the drug abuse. He just "emptied the tank" and coasted to a stop, too exhausted to find a filling station.

Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Aug 9, 2009 - 06:33pm PT
Yeah, we always wondered just how deep the tank was. Kept wanting him to cover just a little more ground.

Others promote physics, wyde climbing, turbo diesel retro-fits and, not unlike Jerry, harmony.

Each in their own way....
Indianclimber

Trad climber
Lost Wages
Aug 9, 2009 - 09:22pm PT
rmuir

Social climber
the Time Before the Rocks Cooled.
Aug 9, 2009 - 09:37pm PT
I was up in the Mono Recesses when JG died; I didn't learn of his death until we got back to Shaver Lake. ...hit me hard, that one did. He really personified the Dead for me. Bob Weir and Garcia played some amazing sets off of each other.

In addition to his bouts of drug abuse/dependence, it's widely-reported that he suffered from sleep apnea. Do some research. That is one heinous killer! For me, that explains the "heart attack of natural causes."
east side underground

Trad climber
Hilton crk,ca
Aug 9, 2009 - 10:13pm PT
this week Jerry,next week copperheads
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Aug 9, 2009 - 10:15pm PT
I was driving the 14 miles to work, when I heard the radio play non stop dead music, ( they were never a band that got a lot of radio time) I knew what had to be up before I got the news. I still feel it today 14 years later.

I used to have that same poster on my college room wall, Indianclimber. 30 years ago it was retro, and today it's still a classic. Wonder what happened to it.....
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Aug 9, 2009 - 10:31pm PT
any new climbs put up today called 'Capitan Trips'?
EP

Social climber
Way Out There
Aug 9, 2009 - 11:56pm PT
It was the Dead all day.

1980, I am cross country skiing at Crane Flat, I think it was, and camped out in the Valley, maybe Upper Pines. The people across from me were listening to the Dead on the boom box.

Flashback to 1968: summertime at Curry Village. I hear the clank of metal on metal. I see a short, stout climber covered with pitons and bongs walk up and through the pavilion. First time I ever saw a real climber.

Grant Meisenholder

Trad climber
CA
Aug 10, 2009 - 12:44am PT
Friends- Jerry isn't dead. Really. It was just a big put-on to allow him to go back to a peaceful existence. Think about it: Back in '94 the concerts were out of control. People crashing the gates, starting riots, getting busted, couldn't hear the music for all of the people singing. What was the point of putting on a concert if no one was really there to listen? and they were getting banned from multiple sites. The whole drug aspect of the scene was front page news whenever a concert hit town, and the authorities didn't want that going on during their watch.

Jerry was in & out of rehab, but he had just turned a corner and was getting healthy.

My take is that the "powers that be" offered him a way out - Fake his death, go underground, & live happily ever after. I think he's living in the south of France somewhere near R Crumb & just laying low with a new identity. Think about it...
allapah

climber
Aug 30, 2009 - 10:18pm PT
anybody ever find the cassettes i dropped off 4th pitch of Mescalito in 1984?

early eighties girlfriend's father was a Dead-Med, never missed a show, would actually peer-pressure us to go to shows- once there, i resisted the collective consciousness at shows, would not submit to IT, though the jamming was miraculous, all these apparent zombies swaying in unison, resist, resist....

but then, at our first hanging bivouac on Mescalito, we heard a clattering in the night- 11 carefully-chosen cassettes slithering down the wall- gone were Hendrix, Yes, the Doors- we were left with only one cassette for the ensuing 7 days on the wall, the tape that was in the Walkman and so didn't get dropped- Workingman's Dead-

over and over in a continuous loop, bivvies and belays- it didn't get boring- it just kept getting better- Workingman's intermingled with El Cap in my brain- when we got to the top, i knew something had changed- i had joined the body- i was a Deadhead now ...
Bill Mc Kirgan

Trad climber
Cedar Rapids, Iowa
Aug 31, 2009 - 12:29am PT
"If you please, don't back up the track this train's got to run today"

Love that speedway boogie, but Cumberland Blues is the first Dead song that hooked me. So many different styles all wrapped up in one band.
d-know

Trad climber
electric lady land
Aug 31, 2009 - 08:39am PT
i had some "legion of mary" bootleg on
cassette tape that was some of
the best j.g. collaboration i've ever
heard!

jerry garcia-guitar
merle saunders-keys
john kahn-bass
martin fierro-sax
paul humphrey-drums

gotta find that on disc.
survival

Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
Aug 31, 2009 - 08:43am PT
Yeah Jerry and Merle!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvVHXUzbMJw
drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 31, 2009 - 12:39pm PT
HEY NOW!
BillO

Boulder climber
Whittier, CA
Aug 31, 2009 - 03:30pm PT
Norwegian

Trad climber
Placerville, California
Nov 19, 2009 - 08:18am PT
so what speaker shared this warrior thought...
who was the original author of the words...
and whom was this tribute about:

'jezzus he was a handsome man.
he used to ride around on white horses,
shooting clay pigeons one two threefourfive justlikethat!
what i wanna know now mr. death,
how do you like your blue-eyed boy NOW?'

it all happened in a show.
Norwegian

Trad climber
Placerville, California
Nov 19, 2009 - 09:16am PT
..buffalo bill.
Norwegian

Trad climber
Placerville, California
Nov 19, 2009 - 09:30am PT
that is a great dark star, charged im sure by the fellas processing the loss of their friend bill graham.

and.. kesey's charisma during that reading. wow.
Norwegian

Trad climber
Placerville, California
Nov 19, 2009 - 09:34am PT
did kesey's son fall off a cliff? as i recall...
BillO

Boulder climber
Whittier, CA
Nov 19, 2009 - 10:34am PT
Just to let you know Zane is alive a kicking in Eugene. That was his brother Jed that was killed coming back from a wrestling tournament, the van he was in crashed on an ice covered road.
Zanes site
http://www.key-z.com/

Norwegian

Trad climber
Placerville, California
Nov 19, 2009 - 10:37am PT
pate,
10 point deduction for eulogizing wrong brother.

Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Nov 19, 2009 - 10:51am PT
Anyone have the Lyrics (or a full audio/video link) to 'Mama was a Deadhead', by the Rev Billy C Wirz, google search has been problematic....
rockermike

Trad climber
Berkeley
Nov 19, 2009 - 12:18pm PT
my first regular climbing partner was a dead head; and he owned a car. Every f*#king weekend - year round - we'd do a long road trip to somewhere in the Pac NW, and the whole way he'd be smoking pot and listening to Dead music on his 8 track. I don't smoke pot, and I never really got the Dead stuff. oh well. got lots of climbing done. ha

and all my friends these days are ex- dead heads.
Fletcher

Trad climber
Pasadena, CA
Nov 19, 2009 - 12:23pm PT
I just saw the title of this thread and thought it read the "Dead Horse Thread." But that would be about 1/3 of threads recently. LOL!

I've never been much of a Dead fan, but I do appreciate them. Had one back in the day who was (or at least claimed to be) in close with the band. What a crowd that was. You could always find their floor and room at trade shows by the huge billows of hippie lettuce smoke oozing out of it!

Eric
Senor Pinche Wey

Big Wall climber
OB
Nov 19, 2009 - 01:17pm PT
http://www.gdtstoo.com/GDTSTOONewYearsEve0910.html

this is going to be fun...
survival

Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
Nov 19, 2009 - 02:33pm PT
rocker, "and all my friends these days are ex- dead heads."

ex-deadheads???
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Nov 19, 2009 - 03:22pm PT
An ex dead head is better than a dead X head.




Man am I glad my brother never cut off my ring finger!
drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 19, 2009 - 04:27pm PT
Norweege-
classic that you bumped this thread with that Kesey reading,
as Pate and I were JUST talking about that two days ago.
Now THATS some headly sh#t right there.

This is post #87, fitting.
I started seeing the Dead in 87 and climbing too.

The day Jerry died I was sitting in my van in Prescott when
a breeze could be heard whispering through
the pines.
When the zephyr neared
the windchimes on the porch started playing along with
the music in my van,
synchronized perfectly with Eyes of the World.
Maysho

climber
Soda Springs, CA
Nov 19, 2009 - 04:58pm PT
First concert (of any type) I attended was the last Winterland Show New Years 78/79. I was 16. My friend David and I drove down from our weekend/holiday job at Royal Gorge straight to the concert. It went all night, beginning with the Blues Brothers, and New Riders of the Purple Sage. In the morning they served breakfast, then bid us all farewell. Then the pleasant buzz turned sour as we started seeing a lot of broken glass on the streets, and sure enough, young and dumb we didn't foresee the obvious feast for thieves, came back to my car emptied of all our gear, skis, even my climbing pack and camera. Big bummer. Great show though!

Peter
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Nov 19, 2009 - 10:51pm PT
They stole my box of 70 eight track tapes while at a Crosby, Stills, & Nash concert in Denver (the same guys??)
Probably did me a favor (still have my cassettes FWIW)
yosguns

climber
Durham, NC
Nov 19, 2009 - 11:06pm PT

I started seeing the Dead in 87, too. I was the baby in this pre-show family photo. Dylan and the Dead somewhere, some time in 87. Last show for me was MSG, September 1994.

The day Jerry died was the first time I saw my dad cry.

I caught the Dead this summer in Mountain View. It was...interesting to say the least. It reminded me of childhood a bit.

EDIT: Said hello to Zane there, too. Just to say, he is alive and well. Here's a weird one, from Kesey's friend, Ken Babbs: http://www.skypilotclub.com/

Steve Grossman

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Nov 20, 2009 - 12:04am PT
A shot from the early days.

'Pass the Pitons' Pete

Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
Nov 20, 2009 - 12:10am PT
Those of us who aren't "in the know" - perhaps 98% of the readership - might be interested in knowing who is in the photo above....

Oh my gosh, this is frickin' hilarious:


Hasn't our own Dave Diegelman seen this??? I don't see a Double D post here! Someone tell him!
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Nov 20, 2009 - 03:53am PT
DD was perhaps skinnier in those days....
EP

Social climber
Way Out There
Nov 20, 2009 - 09:02am PT
Jerry, Pipgpen, Lesh, Weir, Kreutzmann from left to right in the picture.
Saw Pigpen's last show as my first at the Hollywood Bowl in 1972.
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Nov 20, 2009 - 11:22am PT
I always think Kruetzman looks like Bill Murray in that photo.
drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 20, 2009 - 01:41pm PT
Hey Maysho-
Are you aware that the Winterland show you saw
is available on DVD? Classic stuff.

...the weather down here, so fine.

Nomad_Andrew

Trad climber
West Coast (usually)
Nov 20, 2009 - 01:48pm PT
Remember www.speedingarrow.net ? Is there a mirror site somewhere? I miss access to all those great soundboards.
Nomad_Andrew

Trad climber
West Coast (usually)
Nov 20, 2009 - 01:59pm PT
OK wow thanks. There goes the weekend!
d-know

Trad climber
electric lady land
Nov 20, 2009 - 02:14pm PT
miss the whole scene. preshow parking lot
gatherings were unique. reconnecting with
heads. saw some bizzare things.

at a show in seattle i never felt the ground
after i left the parkinglot.

at one show
some guy (i think) was skippin' around handing
out handfuls of fungus for free from
a backpack..

tho not a confirmed head, 15 or so shows,
was well on my way 'till jerry left
us for some other biz.

the only times i felt like i
was truly part of a tribe.

good times.
Nomad_Andrew

Trad climber
West Coast (usually)
Nov 20, 2009 - 02:16pm PT
I can only stream, can't download. Has it been this way for a while?
Nomad_Andrew

Trad climber
West Coast (usually)
Nov 20, 2009 - 02:20pm PT
Righteous! I really appreciate it.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Nov 20, 2009 - 03:32pm PT
What's the point in callin' shots
this cue ain't straight in line.
Cue ball's made of styrofoam
and no one's got the time ...


What's your favorite lyric?
yosguns

climber
Durham, NC
Nov 20, 2009 - 03:41pm PT
Lyrics for all sorts of days... I've liked this one recently:

Flight of the sea birds,
scattered like lost words;
wield to the storm and fly.



Sleep
in the stars
Don't you cry
Dry your eyes
on the wind



And, of course:

While the firelight's aglow
strange shadows in the flames will grow
till things we've never seen
will seem familiar

yosguns

climber
Durham, NC
Nov 20, 2009 - 04:25pm PT
I'm gonna go all hippie on you, sorry. Are there any older children of Dead Heads out there?

I was struck at the Dead show this past May when I saw all these young 20-something-year-olds, and felt like I had been reunited with a certain part of my family that had disappeared from my life. I'd imagine that some of those 20-something-year-olds were kids at shows in the 80's/90's and I felt like there was a real possibility that I had run around with some of them as a little kid.

Running around on a lawn in the dusk of a show seems like it would be idyllic for little kids (if you forget all the inappropriate things that go on at shows, which I know a lot of people who don't get the scene can't do, and that's ok).

I know for me, as a little kid at music festivals (not just Dead shows), it was so fun to jump around to music and find other little kids. My parents were pretty responsible once they had kids. I'm sure at least a few people here would question bringing a toddler to a Dead show, but I don't think it was inappropriate. For better or for worse, it controlled a really large part of my development in that the folklore perpetuated in many Grateful Dead songs (biblical allusions, rose and goddess imagery) became the foundation of a great part of my spirituality. (I almost feel like an experiment, actually.) I'd guess it would be hard not to incorporate those things into adult life if the music was the background of a lot of childhood.

I think somehow it's connected to having started climbing, too...since I see some similarities in the communities.
Rudyj2

Trad climber
UT
Nov 20, 2009 - 04:32pm PT


Some come to laugh their past away
Some come to make it just one more day
Whichever way your pleasure tends
If you plant ice, you're gonna harvest wind




BillO

Boulder climber
Whittier, CA
Nov 20, 2009 - 05:19pm PT
Delilah Jones was the mother of twins,
Two times over and the rest were sins.
Raised eight boys, only I turned bad,
Didn't get the lickin's that the other ones had.

Brown-eyed women and red grenadine,
The bottle was dusty but the liquor was clean.
Sound of the thunder with the rain pourin' down,
And it looks like the old man's gettin' on.

one more

When I awoke, the Dire Wolf, six hundred pounds of sin,
Was grinning at my window, all I said was "Come on in".
Don't murder me, I beg of you, don't murder me. Please, don't murder me.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Nov 20, 2009 - 05:32pm PT
I can show you
a High Time!



Garcia aiding some bad-boy (from the old J-Tree guide)
yosguns

climber
Durham, NC
Nov 20, 2009 - 05:41pm PT
Pate--

Mostly Northeast shows, and by the time I was around they had "real" jobs, so weren't touring. Parents are from upstate New York and I grew up in CT. I know I had never been to a show on the West Coast before this past May. But, if you were at shows on the East Coast '80-'85, your paths probably crossed. :)

Cheers,
Allyson
BillO

Boulder climber
Whittier, CA
Nov 20, 2009 - 06:14pm PT
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Nov 20, 2009 - 07:58pm PT
7 Dead shows including Watkins Glen, 600,000 people (including the skydiver that biffed).
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Nov 20, 2009 - 08:35pm PT
I used to go on long backpacking trips and schedule things so we'd come out on the day of a Dead show.

Talk about weird culture shock!

Miss those guys...
Steve Grossman

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Nov 21, 2009 - 06:09pm PT
Even the comparatively mediocre Dead albums like Wake of the Flood have some really fantastic Hunter/ Garcia songs like Eyes of the World.

Right outside this lazy summer home
you ain't got time to call your soul a critic no.
Right outside the lazy gate of winter's summer home,
wond'rin' where the nuthatch winters,
wings a mile long just carried the bird away.

Wake up to find out that you are the eyes of the world,
the heart has it's beaches, it's homeland and thoughts of it's own.
Wake now, discover that you are the song that the mornin' brings,
But the heart has it's seasons, it's evenin's and songs of it's own.

There comes a redeemer, and he slowly too fades away,
And there follows his wagon behind him that's loaded with clay.
And the seeds that were silent all burst into bloom, and decay,
and night comes so quiet, it's close on the heels of the day.

Wake up to find out that you are the eyes of the world,
the heart has it's beaches, it's homeland and thoughts of it's own.
Wake now, discover that you are the song that the mornin' brings,
But the heart has it's seasons, it's evenin's and songs of it's own.

Sometimes we live no particular way but our own,
And sometimes we visit your country and live in your home,
sometimes we ride on your horses, sometimes we walk alone,
sometimes the songs that we hear are just songs of our own.

Wake up to find out that you are the eyes of the world,
the heart has it's beaches, it's homeland and thoughts of it's own.
Wake now, discover that you are the song that the mornin' brings,
But the heart has it's seasons, it's evenin's and songs of it's own.

Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Nov 21, 2009 - 06:16pm PT
I think that's the point. there's something to be taken from each and every one, of those.

From time to time I hear clips in my head from some of those songs that I used to think I didn't even like.

Sort of inevitable that 'Touch of Gray' keeps growing on me...
Steve Grossman

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Nov 21, 2009 - 07:42pm PT
Kinda' suits you, anyway.....
socalbolter

Sport climber
Silverado, CA
Nov 21, 2009 - 11:30pm PT
As someone who appreciates the Dead's music and has several friends who followed the band whenever possible, I'm curious as to how you all feel about PHISH?

Are they continuing what the Dead started, or doing their own thing?

Do you consider yourselves fans of them also, or are the fan bases of the two bands more segregated?

Just curious...

Gary

climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Nov 22, 2009 - 12:01am PT
Saw them in '74 at the old Kiel Auditorium in St. Louis. It was a great show, part of the Wake of the Flood Tour. They did a great job on Tennessee Jed that night.

They lost a lot when Pigpen died, though. They were never the same.
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Nov 22, 2009 - 03:13am PT
He made the cover of the Laramie Boomerang, tragically.......
d-know

Trad climber
electric lady land
Nov 22, 2009 - 11:40am PT
yes pigpen!!!

not the dead, but mother mccree's:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4MZG8Hr6_Q

pigpen singin' and on harmonica.
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Nov 22, 2009 - 01:55pm PT
I used to deny this, since I only went to maybe 30 shows, even though I pretty much know which lyric follows nother, or what song is coming up, from the intro.....


My name is Jay, I AM a Deadhead.....
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Nov 22, 2009 - 01:59pm PT
Or Maybe, "Hey now"....
Rhodo-Router

Gym climber
obsessively minitracking all winter at Knob Hill
Nov 22, 2009 - 03:28pm PT
Hartford, 1988. It was cold. I remember a tank..
Steve Grossman

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Nov 22, 2009 - 05:42pm PT
A couple of items on my bathroom wall...

Pie

Trad climber
So-Cal
Nov 23, 2009 - 02:18pm PT
seen 6 phish shows this year, they are rippin right now.
Heard cincy raged..
cintune

climber
the Moon and Antarctica
Nov 24, 2009 - 04:33pm PT
"Out on the mountain, it'll drive you insane, Listening to the winds howl."
Argon

climber
North Bay, CA
Nov 24, 2009 - 06:16pm PT
Mark Karan gave a great performance at a small club in Sausalito Friday. He has recovered from throat cancer and has a new CD out - and is playing wonderfully. Like the Dead of old, Mark and his band played till 1:30AM. Bob Weir showed up at midnight and played a few songs. He even brought his dad with him.
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Nov 24, 2009 - 06:42pm PT
Got a link?
Tobia

Social climber
GA
Nov 24, 2009 - 07:30pm PT

The pictures above were taken before I saw the Dead in both New Orleans and Atlanta a few years after they quit using the infamous "Wall of Sound". If interested, there are some pretty cool articles floating around the net about the technology curve and expense the Dead went through to put on a good show. Something like 800 individual McKintosh amplifiers, JBL speakers and Phil Lesh's bass having a quadrophonic setup with separate channels for each string. Another interesting reason for using a system like this is that it was essentially distortion free and they heard the same sound the audience did (no monitors).
I think they quit using this system in 1974 about 4 years before I ever saw them perform. None the less this looks like a thread where someone might appreciate the pics.
BillO

Boulder climber
Whittier, CA
Nov 24, 2009 - 10:15pm PT
Norwegian

Trad climber
Placerville, California
Nov 25, 2009 - 10:23pm PT
real time dance party.

my girls and i just smiled while wiggling to a darkstar from another halloween show: 10/31/71 in Colombus, ohio.

here we is, aint they sweeet.


jerry continues to give and give.

thank you ol fella!
Steve Grossman

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Nov 25, 2009 - 11:14pm PT
Papa Dancing Bear!
cintune

climber
the Moon and Antarctica
Nov 28, 2009 - 04:09pm PT
Bound to cover just a little more ground.
Double D

climber
Dec 1, 2009 - 09:51pm PT
Dig the T-shirt...someone once gave me one. I'd probably still have it (as well as all my T-shirts from high school) but my wife kindly updates and discards on a regular basis.

drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 3, 2009 - 11:40am PT
No time to hate.

Rudyj2

Trad climber
UT
Dec 3, 2009 - 04:00pm PT


Shadow boxing the apocalypse
Norwegian

Trad climber
Placerville, California
Dec 3, 2009 - 04:38pm PT
"was it for this my life i sought?
maybe so or maybe not."

umm, or was that...

"let your life proceed by its own design"

Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Dec 3, 2009 - 10:13pm PT
" Blues for ajjah,
In'shallah"

"one man gathers
what another man spills."
Norwegian

Trad climber
Placerville, California
Dec 6, 2009 - 02:15pm PT
when the first chords of the ripple hit your ears...

you just gotta smile. you just gotta because sometimes there is nothing sweeter that the boys playin in their band.

then jerry's vocals follow....

that path is for.... your ears alone.
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Dec 6, 2009 - 02:21pm PT
though sometimes I saw it through my crazy fingers.
survival

Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
Dec 6, 2009 - 03:32pm PT


Stranger ones have come by here, before they flew away.....
cintune

climber
the Moon and Antarctica
Dec 6, 2009 - 03:36pm PT
http://addictedtovinyl.com/blog/2009/11/29/the-12-boots-of-christmas-how-about-sandals/
survival

Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
Dec 6, 2009 - 10:14pm PT
Driven by the wind...

Like the dust that blows around....

Rain fallin' down, rain fallin' down....



HOLES IN WHAT'S LEFT OF MY REASON!
HOLES IN THE KNEES OF MY BLUES!
ODDS AGAINST ME BEEN INCREASIN', BUT I'LL PULL THROUGH!
drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 7, 2009 - 01:24am PT
At what other rock concert would you ever see fans actually cleaning up the parking lot???
Once,in the midwest, I was doing my part cleaning up the trash in my immediate vicinty, when up putts Bill Graham on his bapper and hands me a ticket to the next show. Pretty cool.

In my later years seeing the Dead, I saw a dude get struck by lightning. That's Vegas for ya.
"If the thunder don't get you then the lightning will."
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Dec 7, 2009 - 01:40am PT
That's the vibe, drljefe!

In the next incarnation of the armbar ranch, I'm plunking down a vintage wooden wagon wheel, and having american beauty roses twine through it. Wherever I, go, the people All, complain...
drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 7, 2009 - 01:55am PT
I once walked from Shoreline to El Camino Real.
How far is that anyway?

Passin' me by
the buses and semis
plungin' like stones
from a slingshot on mars.
Tobia

Social climber
GA
Dec 7, 2009 - 08:48pm PT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vIlRY7277E&feature=related
It Hurts Me Too...
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Dec 7, 2009 - 09:26pm PT
"Shadow boxing the apocalypse"

Now there's a tune that just kinda disappeared! Not even on any of the box sets, My Bro.

After High School, I moved up to the Santa Rosa area for some schoolin'. A bunch of really great luthiers lived up there, including Doug Irwin. We used to go over to his studio to check out his stuff, totally incredible. That man could do inlays like a Japanese ninja. He showed us Pete Sears' bass, complete with a dragon snaking up the neck and red LEDs for the eyes. He said he was trying to figure out a way to make smoke come out of the dragon's nostrils, which was at the headstock.

I asked him how much it would cost to build me a guitar. He looked around and picked up a gutted out ax from his "in" rack and said "one like this would cost you about $1500." The thing had no strings or electronics, and I held it there for a second and looked down at the amazing inlay of The Wolf. Holy fcuk. I ran my hand up and down the neck, kinda wowed. Doug chuckled. He'd taken off the sticker ("it was pealing off") and inlaid a replica, it was absolute and beautiful. He said Jerry was gonna sh#t when he saw the work. I'm like .... a broke college student who couldn't find the scratch to have Doug build me one. Shucks. Alembic studios was up there too, as well as some other very talented builders.

drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 8, 2009 - 12:57am PT
Thanks K Man.

Doug Irwin"s personal story is really cool, as was his relationship with Jerry. After the Wolf Jerry wanted another guitar and told Irwin "don't hold back". The result was Tiger. Those were a couple of amazing guitars.

I named my dog Rosebud....
Rudyj2

Trad climber
UT
Dec 8, 2009 - 09:17am PT
Yeah, My Brother Esau definitely fell out of favor sometime in the late 80's. Great song, love the lyrics. IMO one of the best of the first set Weir songs.

My brother Esau killed a hunter
Back in 1969
And before the killing was done,
His inheritance was mine.
But his birthright was a wand to wave
Before a weary band.
Esau gave me sleeplessness
And a piece of moral land.

My father favored Esau,
Who was eager to obey
All the bloody wild commandments
The Old Man shot his way.
But all this favor ended
When my brother failed at war.
He staggered home
And found me in the door.

[Chorus:]
Esau skates on mirrors anymore...
He meets his pale reflection at the door.
Yet sometimes at night I dream
He's still that hairy man,
Shadowboxing the Apocalypse
And wandering the land.
Shadowboxing the Apocalypse
And wandering the land.

Esau holds a blessing;
Brother Esau bears a curse.
I would say that the blame is mine
But I suspect it's something worse.
The more my brother looks like me,
The less I understand
The silent war that bloodied both our hands.
Sometimes at night, I think I understand.

It's brother to brother and it's man to man
And it's face to face and it's hand to hand...
We shadowdance the silent war within.
The shadowdance, it never ends...
Never ends, never ends.
Shadowboxing the Apocalypse, yet again...
Yet again.
Shadowboxing the Apocalypse,
And wandering the land.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Dec 8, 2009 - 11:23am PT
My Brother Esau is also the B-side of the Touch of Grey single. The Studio version, of course. That's where I know it from.

Silly me, I didn't even realize they did it live much. I'll have to check my DPs for some satisfaction!
Norwegian

Trad climber
Placerville, California
Dec 13, 2009 - 01:56pm PT
"well, I say... my dog has got no nose!"


"oh, yea, well how does he smell?"








...

"bloomin awwwful."
drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 16, 2009 - 04:20pm PT
Nice, Norweege.

"From now on we're gonna call ourselves "The Just Exactly Perfect Brothers Band"



Hey, let's not forget Brent.
Man, I loved that guys songs, voice, and the energy he brought.
It always seemed Jer felt the same.



Spider Savage

Mountain climber
SoCal
Dec 17, 2009 - 01:34am PT
... And a Grateful New Year!
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Dec 17, 2009 - 01:43am PT
I have a red T-shirt with the Image that Pate posted that says "be good for goodness sake!"
Norwegian

Trad climber
Placerville, California
Dec 17, 2009 - 09:27am PT
those yungin's teaching me once again HOW to live,

they understand dance from the get go. they understand what jerry softly lays down under their feet:


Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Dec 17, 2009 - 01:58pm PT
The front hood medallion on my 20 yr old Saab is hopelessly faded. I would like to cover it with a tasteful, understated, Lightning bolt Skull It is just over1.75' across, I just measured it it. any phots of where to get a decal that size, and how coat it to survive the weather (report)? suite!

I think I asked this before, and Drljefe did send me a really cool tour decal that I'm hanging on to. but this is a fairly narrow, specialized, search. RI've been to Rasputin's and Annapurna, on telegraph without finding exactly what I need.
drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 17, 2009 - 02:21pm PT
Jaybro- Official Stealies come in a few sizes.
http://store.dead.net/stickers/syf-circle-sticker

There used to be those metal ones that were bomber, but may not conform to a convex hood ornament.


Just in time for XMas- howz about a Stagger Lee.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJP7BKzu32M

This murder ballad has a long and rich folklore history.
And it just plain kicks ass.
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Dec 17, 2009 - 02:37pm PT
There is even a Clash (or is it Black 47?) Stagger Lee song.

Hmm, the 1.6" would probably be perfect, thanks for the link! and the thread.
cintune

climber
the Moon and Antarctica
Dec 17, 2009 - 02:40pm PT
It's an old blues standard, but Hunter gave it new life for sure; the version on Jack of Roses beats all.
drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 17, 2009 - 03:08pm PT
Wiki spray-
Lee Shelton (March 16, 1865 - March 11, 1912) was an African American cab driver and pimp[1] convicted of murdering William "Billy" Lyons on Christmas Eve, 1895 in St. Louis, Missouri. The crime was immortalized in a popular song that has been recorded by numerous artists.

William Lyons, 25, a levee hand, was shot in the abdomen yesterday evening at 10 o'clock in the saloon of Bill Curtis, at Eleventh and Morgan Streets, by Lee Sheldon, a carriage driver. Lyons and Sheldon were friends and were talking together. Both parties, it seems, had been drinking and were feeling in exuberant spirits. The discussion drifted to politics, and an argument was started, the conclusion of which was that Lyons snatched Sheldon's hat from his head. The latter indignantly demanded its return. Lyons refused, and Sheldon withdrew his revolver and shot Lyons in the abdomen. When his victim fell to the floor Sheldon took his hat from the hand of the wounded man and coolly walked away. He was subsequently arrested and locked up at the Chestnut Street Station. Lyons was taken to the Dispensary, where his wounds were pronounced serious. Lee Sheldon is also known as 'Stag' Lee.[3]

Hunters take-
1940 Xmas evening with a full moon over town
Staggerlee met Billy DeLyon
and he blew that poor boy down
Do you know what he shot him for?
What do you make of that?
'Cause Billy DeLyon threw lucky dice,
won Staggelee's Stetson hat

Baio, Baio, tell me how can this be?
You arrest the girls for turning tricks
but you're scared of Staggerlee
Staggerlee is a madman and he shot my Billy dead
Baio you go get him or give the job to me


Delia DeLyon, dear sweet Delia-D
How the hell can I arrest him when he's twice as big as me?
Don't ask me to go downtown - I wouldn't come back alive
Not only is that mother big but he packs a .45


Baio Delia said just give me a gun
He shot my Billy dead now I'm gonna see him hung
She waded to DeLyon's Club through Billy DeLyon's blood
Stepped up to Staggerlee at the bar
Said Buy me a gin fizz, love


As Staggerlee lit a cigarette she shot him in the balls
Blew the smoke off her revolver, had him dragged to city hall
Baio, Baio, see you hang him high
He shot my Billy dead and now he's got to die


Delia went a walking down on Singapore Street
A three-piece band on the corner played "Nearer, My God, to Thee"
but Delia whistled a different tune...what tune could it be?


The song that woman sung was Look out Staggerlee
The song that Delia sung was Look out Staggerlee
The song that woman sung was Look out Staggerlee
The song that Delia sung was Look out Staggerlee




cintune

climber
the Moon and Antarctica
Dec 17, 2009 - 04:04pm PT
Good answer. Posted this before, but a girl I know/knew claims to have seen Jerry passed out under the boardwalk at Atlantic City... with a bottle of Anisette in his hand... and a bodyguard-type dude just hanging out next to him, looking nonchalant. And gotta say that Sara-to-go show is pretty great;
http://www.archive.org/details/gd85-06-27.sbd.clugston.6104.sbeok.shnf
Norwegian

Trad climber
Placerville, California
Dec 17, 2009 - 04:15pm PT
jerry-me,

you probably just don't comprehend noise well.

maybe silence such as discord between two rocks sounds to you like the sun turning on itself, or

maybe darkness lights your path, or extinguishes your vital flame.

probably, i'll just piss my pants and keep on trucking.. right home to my sweeeet girls.

do ya get it now?


see,
it is not clear,
tho opacity is enlightening.
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Dec 17, 2009 - 04:49pm PT
That Was, a good answer Pate.

Jeremy you don't have to be so defensive, nobody is trying to make you be on the bus. Many otherwise reasonable people arent.If the music doesn't work for you, that's that. i'm sure there is some music in your own life that you'get' better than most of your friends, same deal.
You question is like asking what does a banana taste like.
Let it go.

Watching for that PM, Pate
Jay bro five one three at mac dot calm
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Dec 17, 2009 - 05:23pm PT
It's not that we don't want to explain, it's just I don't think it can be done. If it works for you you don't have to task.

The rhythms, the songs, the guitar solos, the Lyrics, the drums, the second set experimentations, the jazz-like improvesational nature?
-does that help ? it's like trying to write a musical score in words...

"Sometimes we live no particular way but our own" says it as well as anything...

On to St Stephen
Steve Grossman

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Dec 17, 2009 - 05:23pm PT
Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds do a great version of Stagger Lee especially on video!

There is nothing to suddenly "get" about the Dead any more than there is about a Motherwell painting...You like...you don't like...do what you like, that's what you're like!?! Capice?

Variety is good, even if you only end up with one Smurfette!
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Dec 17, 2009 - 08:16pm PT
Phil sez:

A funny thing happened to me on the way to the show...
I got picked up.


Tha-dump.


PS. Jeremy, what kinda of music do you like?
With the Dead, there's a certain attention that you have to give to appreciate it...At least that's what I've found.

My brother used to play them incessantly. I couldn't stand it, but I went to a show with him anyway (turned out to be Pig's last show...). I couldn't think straight for a week--and no, I was like 13 and totally straight for the show.

I have an idea. Check out this web page, and listed to the Hard to Handle...

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1971-08-06.aud.kaslow.smith.94261.flac16

Or, maybe not...
Peggy-o

Social climber
Kingsburg ca
Dec 18, 2009 - 01:09pm PT
So glad to see a Dead thread! When I hung out with my Bro and the some of the stonemaster's they ribbed me for liking the dead. As I recall, someone threw an 8 track of Dead out my car window as we sped down HWY 10 towards josh. Richard??? LOL!
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Dec 18, 2009 - 01:15pm PT
One time in Camp 4 I was trying to interest Yabo in a spare pair of EB's I had, ( I needed gas money)
We sat down in my car to check 'em out, I had some live tape going.
"Here let me turn it down..."
"No, just turn it off..."
he didn't buy the shoes, either.
Peggy-o

Social climber
Kingsburg ca
Dec 18, 2009 - 02:36pm PT
LOL! I remember getting a letter from camp 4 ('74) and the author went on and on about the routes etc and closed with...well keep on riding those horses and listening to that %#@% music! Good times...
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Dec 18, 2009 - 02:48pm PT
Too, Funny!
Peggy-o

Social climber
Kingsburg ca
Dec 18, 2009 - 03:06pm PT
I just showed this to my HS science kids who finished their final...they got a kick out of it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6y3CafoJ2mo

They howled "old school hippies!"

That's right..."hippie chicks rule"
Peggy-o

Social climber
Kingsburg ca
Dec 18, 2009 - 03:23pm PT



drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 18, 2009 - 03:24pm PT
Thanks Peggy O!
Just one of many classic moments from "The Grateful Dead Movie.
Funny, when I was a grommet I dosed on the way to the video store to rent The Movie for the first time.
It took everything My friend and I took to get out of that store WITH the video. Funky night.
The Dead Movie set the standard for documenting a rock show, much less, the culture of heads. The way the sound is synched with the different cameras is still cool today.
And the animation! EVERYBODY remembers the animation!

Just a little reply to Jeremy who posted upthread about "not getting it".
Jeremy- you climb MUD, right?
THAT I just don't get. That's what makes climbing, music, art...the WORLD go 'round.

Same with OWs- which makes jaybro espescially demented...a widefetish deadhead. DUDE, issues!!!
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Dec 18, 2009 - 03:31pm PT
Peggy, if I played that for my special ed kids over the years, I'd get the whole spectrum. Bunches of them would bob in their chairs, psyched for the input. Others would question my contemporaenity. Most of them would get a charge out of the fact that whatever it was, it moved me. it's rewarding to interact with others at this level.

Har! Deljefe!
and Joyeux (sp) Noel, all!

Peggy-o

Social climber
Kingsburg ca
Dec 18, 2009 - 03:44pm PT
Sp ED and the dead...LOL! Like me and my gangsters..yo!
drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 18, 2009 - 03:50pm PT

Here's the animation.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zR7prgyEqZM
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Dec 18, 2009 - 04:27pm PT
Thanks, Drlj, that was the miracle I, needed, today.

Show of hanz those that strolled past the Hotel Mars, BITD! I never went inside, ( Was Terry Gilliam involved in that animation?)

Youal realize we are alienating ourselves Further from Jeremy and others? Hopefully they can catch the next bus.....
Rudyj2

Trad climber
UT
Dec 18, 2009 - 04:34pm PT

What a long strange trip it's been........and still is.

http://www.furthur.net/
drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 18, 2009 - 04:47pm PT
Sometimes we live no particular way but our own.
WBraun

climber
Dec 18, 2009 - 04:50pm PT
Dead Head

Means he has no brain left in his head?

Dead brain?
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Dec 18, 2009 - 05:38pm PT
Werner, werner, werner....
BillO

Boulder climber
Whittier, CA
Dec 20, 2009 - 09:28pm PT
Slight OT note on Ken Kesey
On top of Mt. Pisgah is a monument made for Ken's son Jed Kesey and Lorenzo West who lost their lives in an Oregon Wrestling van accident. The bronze monument has two long vertical openings one of which the sun shines through on the Summer Solstice the other during the Winter Solstice. It took a team of professors from Oregon weeks to get the alignment just right....It is quite a thing to behold.
Rhodo-Router

Gym climber
obsessively minitracking all winter at Knob Hill
Dec 21, 2009 - 12:03am PT
Jesus, he was a handsome man!



http://www.archive.org/details/gd1991-10-31.mtx.haugh.gems.102251.flac24
drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 21, 2009 - 02:26pm PT
Bound to cover just a little more ground.
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Dec 21, 2009 - 03:41pm PT
and it can't stop now
drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 23, 2009 - 01:45pm PT
BIODTL
GDTRFB
FOTD
NFA
Norwegian

Trad climber
Placerville, California
Dec 23, 2009 - 02:17pm PT
i know a deadhead when i see one.

Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Dec 24, 2009 - 09:15am PT
It doesn't look, like a china doll....
cintune

climber
the Moon and Antarctica
Dec 24, 2009 - 10:16am PT
That's a hurdy-gurdy?
I always thought it was the thing the organ-grinders with the monkeys had.
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Dec 24, 2009 - 10:22am PT
I hadda cheat,but would not have known, otherwise
aka a Wheel fiddle...
Gobee

Trad climber
Los Angeles
Dec 31, 2009 - 10:05pm PT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dtvf2erbL-U&feature=related
Grateful Dead New Years Eve 12-31-85
Bill Mc Kirgan

Trad climber
Cedar Rapids, Iowa
Jan 2, 2010 - 04:54pm PT
the compass always points to terrapin...

drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 7, 2010 - 10:10am PT
Check my pulse, it don't change,
stays 72, come shine or rain!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPBLfzTPCDc
Norwegian

Trad climber
Placerville, California
Jan 16, 2010 - 01:06pm PT
high green chilly winds and windy vines
In loops around the twisted shafts of lavender
They're crawiling to the sun.

underfoot the ground is patched
With arms of ivy wrapped around manzanita,
Stark and shiny in the breeze.


Wonder who will water all the children of the garden
When they sigh about the barren lack of rain and
Droop so hungry neath the sky.

William Tell has stretched his bow till it won't stretch
No furthermore and/or it may require a change that hasn't come before.


No more time to tell how, this is the season of what,
Now is the time of returning with our thought
Jewels polished and gleaming.
Now is the time past believing the child has relinquished the rein,
Now is the test of the boomerang tossed in the night of redeeming.


Seven faced marble eyed transitory dream doll,
Six proud walkers on the jingle bell rainbow,
Five men writing with fingers of gold,
Four men tracking down the great white sperm whale,
Three girls waiting in a foregign dominion
Riding the whalebelly, fade away in moonlight,
Sink beneath the waters to coral sands below.
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Jan 16, 2010 - 01:16pm PT
What a great photo! -the first one-I don't remember ever seeing that one.
drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 16, 2010 - 01:18pm PT
!!!11eleven11!!!
Bill Mc Kirgan

Trad climber
Cedar Rapids, Iowa
Jan 16, 2010 - 01:23pm PT
Dizzy ain't the word for the way that you're makin' me feel now
drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 16, 2010 - 01:24pm PT
Anyone done Supplication?
Bill Mc Kirgan

Trad climber
Cedar Rapids, Iowa
Jan 16, 2010 - 07:24pm PT
Tell me a lie and I will swear,


I'll swear it's true.
Norwegian

Trad climber
Placerville, California
Jan 16, 2010 - 10:02pm PT
i harness and explore absurd venues. physical and mental. in a domestic culture, only the absurd is worthy of our potential.

understimulated, our creative thrust is left dry-humping commonality.

you gotta go WAY out there to thrive.

that was jerry's golden attribute. he stretched expecation. his and ours.

walls in winter? sneider is there. and his soul thrives.

commuting from your lazy boy to your suv to your office chair.. you embody surrender. you are not thriving.

bring on the absurdity.

dark star - other one - st. stephen - eleven - uncle john's tease - ...does it really ever end? i mean the flow of forgiveness.

into your venue, introduce absurdity.

im there all ways. my pulse quickens and my journey to beyond hastens. but im there. trying to report..
Bill Mc Kirgan

Trad climber
Cedar Rapids, Iowa
Jan 16, 2010 - 10:40pm PT
I'm gonna sing you a hundred verses in ragtime
I know this song it ain't never gonna end
I'm gonna march you up and down the local county line
Take you to the leader of the band

I miss the chill up my spine
sharing the experience with the heads
spinning, realing, oneness....

The kind veggie stirfry
the occasional blair of the freight train horn

They made us family and I still get it listening to the bootlegs
...which they always encouraged





Rhodo-Router

Gym climber
obsessively minitracking all winter at Knob Hill
Jan 16, 2010 - 11:28pm PT
I Supplicated just this afternoon, as a matter of fact.
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Jan 17, 2010 - 01:14am PT
I ran into Shipoop today, heard him call out my name then he come over and give me a hug. He is definitely grateful for, and moved by, the taco love of late.

"Inspiration!"
Watusi

Social climber
Newport, OR
Jan 18, 2010 - 01:50am PT
Jerry Forever!!
Bill Mc Kirgan

Trad climber
Cedar Rapids, Iowa
Jan 18, 2010 - 09:41am PT
Luv that hippie kitten on the bus

ready to go furthur




Hey...check this out....

http://www.furthur.net/

They're playin TheEleven
survival

Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
Jan 18, 2010 - 10:20am PT

It's only fractured.


Just a little nervous from the fall.................
D Shotwell

Social climber
Wanaka, New Zealand
Jan 18, 2010 - 02:58pm PT
Thanks Jerry,
Jefe, and all who've posted here.
.... continuing the journey..
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Jan 18, 2010 - 03:12pm PT
what a cool Bass, even for a 'deadbase'
Rudyj2

Trad climber
UT
Jan 18, 2010 - 03:19pm PT
Went to see the captain
strangest I could find
Layed my proposition down
Layed it on the line;
I won't slave for beggar's pay
likewise gold and jewels
but I would slave to learn the way
to sink your ship of fools....
Bill Mc Kirgan

Trad climber
Cedar Rapids, Iowa
Jan 21, 2010 - 03:17pm PT
Pate,

Just read your story about Alpina and it made me smile and broke my heart all at the same time: ..."mewing in the dust and dodging tires".

She looks great in that picture, and it sounds like she had a wonderful life.



Rudyj2

Trad climber
UT
Jan 21, 2010 - 09:07pm PT
Saw your first ship sink and drown
from rocking of the boat
and all that could not sink or swim
was just left there to float
I won't leave you drifting down
but woah it makes me wild
with thirty years upon my head
to have you call me child
Norwegian

Trad climber
Placerville, California
Jan 23, 2010 - 09:56am PT
...with every bag comes a mystery pill.

oh. thanks.

gobble boggle.

dancing on the flanks of mt. shasta i'm.

then billy says over the mic, "i wanted to warn everyone out there of some brown acid that's said to be floating around." i stop in my tracks. then the boys begin a series of feedback sounds and i begin to worry a little, then a lot.

my girlfriend sees my grin being murdered and puts two and two together.

she tells me its a joke... the whole brown acid song. then im happy again on mt shasta.
Bubba Ho-Tep

climber
Evergreen, CO
Jan 30, 2010 - 01:05pm PT
For those of you who also like the poster art that went along with these shows:

https://www.fillmoreposter.com/search.php?pageNum_products=0&search=grateful dead

Some of the best art of the 60's and 70's was produced for Dead shows.



Disclaimer: I happen to own the website so if this is considered to be too commercial of a post, I will remove it.....
drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 1, 2010 - 04:08pm PT
HE'S GONE




































...I wish
drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 1, 2010 - 04:19pm PT
Do not use my real name here.

Refer to me now as Ice Cream Kid.
drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 10, 2010 - 04:30pm PT
Happy Chinese New Year!

No one's noticed but the band's all packed and gone,
were they ever here at all???
survival

Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
Feb 10, 2010 - 04:56pm PT
Oh yeah, they were definitely here.

I've got the psychedelic scars to prove it!!

Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Feb 10, 2010 - 05:47pm PT
Ready for tooling!

survival

Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
Feb 10, 2010 - 06:10pm PT
Yeah Jay, that's definitely a please tool me sticker!

I trained a lot of L.E. guys back in the day and it was maddening that Dead stickers was actually part of their training and a "for sure bust."
Ricardo Cabeza

climber
All Over.
Feb 19, 2010 - 03:04pm PT
I just saw Further last night in Manchester NH.

It was a pretty cool show. Phil and Bobby are playing really well!
I forget the guys name, but the one who plays Jerry in Dark Star Orchestra was on fire as well!

Great show, good vibe, no hassle from security if you were smoking.
The scene on shakedown after the show was pretty funny, many tanks of nitrous on the street, next to the cops and the cops didn't seem to care! I don't do that hippie crack, but it was amusing to see.

The one thing I thought was odd was standing in the aisle, looking for our friends, we got yelled at by a couple of old guys to keep moving.
Sheesh, the nerve!

Seeing them again makes me want to head back out on tour.
EdBannister

Mountain climber
CA
Feb 19, 2010 - 06:14pm PT
Randy Hankins then in charge of US import and distribution for LaSportiva had my favorite response when asked about the dead:
" I'll be grateful when they are all dead."

I like Jerry's ties though.
Peggy-o

Social climber
Kingsburg ca
Feb 19, 2010 - 06:23pm PT
Either you like the Dead or not...38 years later I still like them. Never cared if the "population" did.
Can't stand at a Dead show?? When did that change...It use to be you stood during the show and sat at intermission!
Even when they are all dead...the music will never stop.
Peggy-o

Social climber
Kingsburg ca
Feb 19, 2010 - 06:51pm PT
LOL! I always worked and always bathed...I do remember becoming disenchanted with the "scene" when I heard some deadhead belittle a fellow concert goer for not wearing the standard dead wear...She had shoes with some heel and the guy bellowed when she stumbled "get some flats". Jerks in all walks of life.
72hw

Trad climber
Pasadena, CA
Feb 19, 2010 - 07:39pm PT
I quit jobs for shows but always had another lined up when I got back.

I got fed up with the scene at Deer Creek back in 93 when not once, but thrice in the same day, I was offered crack out on Shakedown. That and it just seemed like the party was the focus - one in ten thousand, huh?

Saw The Dead here in Los Angeles last year however, and it kinda kicked a whole lot of ass!

drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 19, 2010 - 07:39pm PT
Sportivas never fit me anyway.

During the "Mega Dead" era it became just as trendy to hate the Dead as it was to love them(or at least the scene)"

In the mid 80's I was the only Head in my entire high school of 3000 kids, but a few teachers knew what was up. I would ditch friday and power it all the way to the Bay area from Tucson, see three shows and power it home, in time to show up for a few monday afternoon classes. One teacher, knowing damn well why I was so frizzlefried and tiedyed made me sing Touch of Grey in front of the Whole class, just to make me pay.
I saw my first period PE teacher at a show on what was the second day of school. I told him I had seen him, he sure didn't remember(!!!), and gave him a wink. I never showed up for that class again and was never marked absent.
That school was a joke, learned way more on the road. Didn't miss a west coast show and graduated on time.
Then climbing took over.

Bubba Ho-Tep

climber
Evergreen, CO
Feb 19, 2010 - 07:44pm PT

Here's an old one from 1966!
Bubba Ho-Tep

climber
Evergreen, CO
Feb 19, 2010 - 07:44pm PT

How about 1967?
Bubba Ho-Tep

climber
Evergreen, CO
Feb 19, 2010 - 07:46pm PT

How about New York?
Bubba Ho-Tep

climber
Evergreen, CO
Feb 19, 2010 - 07:47pm PT

Or Egypt?

They played everywhere!
72hw

Trad climber
Pasadena, CA
Feb 19, 2010 - 07:56pm PT
BillO

Boulder climber
Whittier, CA
Feb 19, 2010 - 11:03pm PT
See on Hwy 101 Yachats OR
d-know

Trad climber
electric lady land
Feb 26, 2010 - 08:08am PT
drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 1, 2010 - 01:40pm PT
March winds gonna blow all my troubles away.
Norwegian

Trad climber
Placerville, California
Mar 13, 2010 - 10:09am PT
..scattered like lost (birds). (put) your wheels to the (stone) and fly.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPxeISlpFC0&feature=PlayList&p=F4AEFC462B48023B&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=21
drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 17, 2010 - 11:53pm PT
I wish I was a headlight
on a northbound train.
Norwegian

Trad climber
Placerville, California
Mar 22, 2010 - 05:53pm PT
boys had STYLE
cintune

climber
the Moon and Antarctica
Mar 23, 2010 - 06:28pm PT
Furthur Live at Bill Graham Civic Auditorium March 12, 2010

http://www.archive.org/details/furthur2010-03-12.flac16

1 Ripple (BW) 04:35
2 Lazy River Road (JK) 07:20
3 Peggy-O (CR) 08:04
4 Two Souls in Communion (CR) 07:57
5 Brokedown Palace (JG) 06:25
6 A Hard Rain's A-Gonna Fall (BW) 09:23
7 They Love Each Other (CR) 06:44
8 Mountains of the Moon (PL) 08:56
9 Attics of My Life (All) 06:57
10 Scarlet Begonias (JG) 11:13
11 Minglewood Blues (BW) 09:58
12 Easy Wind (CR) > 04:30
13 New Speedway Boogie (JG) 11:03
14 Viola Lee Blues V1 (All) > 05:54
15 High Time (CR) 05:52
16 Caution Jam > Viola Lee Blues V2 (All) > 07:37
17 Hard To Handle (CR) > Viola Lee Blues V3 (All) > 10:58
18 Like A Rolling Stone (CR) > 09:59
19 Sugaree (CR) 13:21
20 Not Fade Away Jam (w/Parade of floats) > 04:41
21 Happy Birthday, Dear Phil! (w/Balloon drop) > Not Fade Away Jam 06:13
22 Playing in the Band (BW) > Jam > 10:26
23 St. Stephen (All) > 12:51
24 The Other One (BW) > 10:43
25 Elevator (SM lead jam) > 07:41
26 Unbroken Chain (PL) 16:35
27 Comes a Time (CR) > 08:30
28 Cream Puff War (CR) (w/two Go-Go dancers on stage) > 02:39
29 Franklin's Tower (PL, JG) 09:11
30 Donor Rap & Phil thanks the audience and band 02:05
31 Johnny B. Goode (BW) 04:16
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Mar 24, 2010 - 01:27am PT
"One teacher, knowing damn well why I was so frizzlefried and tiedyed made me sing Touch of Grey in front of the Whole class, just to make me pay."

-Now that's Funny! Is it it more ironic now? Now that maybe you do have a 'Touch of Gray'?
drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 29, 2010 - 05:32pm PT
I'm still walkin' ...
so I'm sure tht I can dance.
...

Jaybro~ oh, the irony!
Mick K

climber
Northern Sierra
Mar 29, 2010 - 05:42pm PT
"If you plant Ice
you will harvest wind"
Spider Savage

Mountain climber
SoCal
Apr 1, 2010 - 12:28pm PT
Ship of Fools
BillO

Boulder climber
Whittier, CA
Apr 1, 2010 - 12:43pm PT
Everybody's dancin' down the local armory
With a basement full of dynamite and live artillery.
The temperature keeps risin', everybody gittin' high;
Come the rockin' stroke of midnite, the whole place gonna fly.
go-B

climber
This side of Heaven
Apr 1, 2010 - 01:18pm PT
http://www.dead.net/listeningparty-philly?CMPID=DN033110
For a limited time, we invite you to enjoy stellar audio and video selections from Crimson, White & Indigo: Philadelphia 07/07/89.
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Apr 1, 2010 - 02:03pm PT
hey anyone on the bus here have the software to open those FLACC(?) flacid? files of that philbirthdayfurther show posted up a big back that I downloaded, onto a G-4 Mac. My Bro in Wyo said to do that format and he has the software to do this that he is going to send me any minute, for the last couple of weeks. But I am hitting the road this evening and looking for more immediate gratificiaon.

I need a miracle....
drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 1, 2010 - 02:07pm PT
sorry jaybro- I'm still rockin cassettes!
I'm a digidumdum.

My friend's masters from 83 still sound crystal.

BIODTL jay
Mick K

climber
Northern Sierra
Apr 1, 2010 - 02:16pm PT



Try this for all the shows at your fingertips!


http://www.archive.org/details/GratefulDead


and this if you want to go FURTHUR.

http://www.archive.org/details/Furthur



drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 1, 2010 - 02:32pm PT
Seriously, Red Bear"s master tapes from the early 80's have a quality and ambience that put's you right back at the Pauly Pavillion.
I love SBDs, but man, a perfect 30 yr old audience recording...
as Jer would say "crackling with energy".

And they said tapes wouldn't last.
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Apr 1, 2010 - 02:44pm PT
Yow Pate, that took three minutes, about three stiches between stonemaster knickers and speedysticher. Thanks and have a gratefulday







1
cp0915

climber
LV NV
Apr 14, 2010 - 01:50pm PT
That first photo is classic, Pate. Thanks for posting!

Unfortunately, my personal experience with Dead shows is much less exciting. Since I was imprisoned in the geriatric swamps of southwest Florida most of my life, I only made the Orlando '94 show, but it was canceled just as I pulled in to the venue. Couldn't make the following (?) evening. Then they played Tampa about a year later but I couldn't make that one either. Then Jerry left us all.

At least we still had/have The Other Ones, The Dead (last year's Inglewood show was solid), Ratdog, and of course, the upcoming Memorial weekend Furthur Festival in Angels Camp!
yosguns

climber
Durham, NC
Apr 18, 2010 - 11:13am PT
http://www.archive.org/details/gd88-09-12.sbd-matrix.wiley.8477.sbefail.shnf

I liked the setlist, and apparently it's a good show!

09/12/88
The Spectrum - Philadelphia, PA

Set 1:
Jack Straw
Althea
Good Time Blues
Dire Wolf
Cassidy
Dupree's Diamond Blues
When I Paint My Masterpiece
When Push Comes To Shove
The Music Never Stopped

Set 2:
Box Of Rain
Cold Rain And Snow
Man Smart-Woman Smarter
Eyes Of The World
Drums
The Other One
Wharf Rat
Around And Around
Good Lovin'

Encore:
Knockin' On Heaven's Door
ncrockclimber

climber
NC
Apr 18, 2010 - 11:29am PT
I have subscribed to two great podcast: Through The Years and The Deadpod. I archive all the episodes. Great stuff!
Rudyj2

Trad climber
UT
Apr 18, 2010 - 12:54pm PT
Nine mile skiddin'
on a ten mile ride
Hot as a pistol
but cool inside
Cat on a tin roof
Dogs in a pile
Nothing left to do but
smile, smile, smile

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFKzk4C4jkI
tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Apr 18, 2010 - 04:02pm PT
The music is special, I play a fair bit of it. I like the counter culture economy. Shakedown street was like a band of gypsys. Kind of like as close as your gonna get to experience 3rd world liveing in the good ol USA.

The level of hypocracy on tour was absolutly stunning however. One look at the grounds the morning after and it was crystal clear how full of sh#t all the earth first hippy types are.... At the end of the day the experience was a lot more about getting f*#ked up, makeing money and listening to music than it was about peace, love and harmony with nature...
yosguns

climber
Durham, NC
Apr 18, 2010 - 05:53pm PT
tradman,

It is stunning to see the ground after thousands of people have gathered, isn't it? Crowds are very irresponsible. Having agreed with you on that, I'd also like to consider a couple other things.

First, in order to call Dead Heads hypocrites for the trash left after a Dead show, you would have to believe they were all "earth first hippy types," which I don't. Maybe you could call them hippies...maybe. But really, they were their own separate thing: Dead Heads, more likely linked by LSD (the original Acid Tests) and a search for collectivism and mind expansion than environmental activism. In fact, you were at Dead shows, but seem reluctant to label yourself an "earth first hippy type." Your reasons for being at shows were probably very similar to others', and I doubt you were there to pick up garbage. (But, for all I know, you were manning the Greenpeace tent; if that was the case, good for you!)

Second, we have no data to compare Dead Heads to any other crowd (say, Black Sabbath fans...of which I'm sure there was even some overlap), so who's to say they weren't more responsible? The ground after a Dead Show may have been comparatively cleaner than after a different rock concert. The data would have to take into account average number of concession purchases per attendee, venue management (number of trash receptacles and security [what was allowed in]), and historical trends in society's overall awareness of environmental issues over the course of the band's 30+ year history.

Cheers!
drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 18, 2010 - 07:21pm PT
Pate's right, at least for the lot.
I think i recounted a story upthread about cleaning up my little zone in the lot and having Bill Graham himself cruise up on his moto and hand me a ticket.

In the late 80's early 90's there was a newsletter- Duprees Diamond News- which not only had recent setlists and upcoming tourdates, but also key things heads could do to ensure the Band would be invited back to town.
What other band did that???
I'll try and dig up an old copy.
yosguns

climber
Durham, NC
Apr 18, 2010 - 07:26pm PT
Well, well. Looks like there may be at least qualitative data that, for whatever motive, the Dead WERE more environmentally-minded than other bands. Imagine that! ;-)

tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Apr 18, 2010 - 07:44pm PT
If you ever talked to the guys who ran the venues and worked in the citys near the venues they will all tell you that the dead fans leave more trash than any other event hands down....

Amazeing how so many of the fans wear rose colored glasses.

Albany the last summer tour from hell. Cops pulled off of horses and stomped, tear gas, bad ju ju in the streets.. This one cute blond and brainless friend of mine, rings on her fingers, bells on her toes,bringing her baby to shows and getting wasted the whole time... She looks at me and proclaims.. Wow.. there was so much love in the streets last week..

I am like, Huh? I saw a ton of husteling, people selling fake tickets to rip off other dead heads,drugs and alchohol abuse on chronic levels, raw sex, violence, crazyness but no love... The dead closed the set on the 2nd night with I fought the law and that felt just about right....
drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 18, 2010 - 07:57pm PT
tradman- I'd send you a PM, but I tried that already a while ago when you were circlin' the drain so...
east coast...later years...different trip, man.
Did you ever come out west for a show? to climb?


OK people...
let's put our rose colored shades back on!

yosguns

climber
Durham, NC
Apr 18, 2010 - 08:09pm PT
Yep, all of that, too. With a set of shows spanning over 30+ years, everyone is bound to be right. But, tradman, you assumed all Dead Heads were environmentalists, which they weren't... I don't see any hypocrisy. People went to shows and got high. Some of those people were probably environmental activists...and a lot of them weren't. I WOULD bet, though, that a larger percentage of them than in other concert populations have done service work for the environment at some point in their lives. But again, NO DATA! Just opinion based on observation.

For every venue manager who says the Dead were bad, there's one who says they were better than everyone else. "I'd rather work nine Grateful Dead concerts than one Oregon football game," Police Det. Rick Raynor said. "They don't get belligerent like they do at the games." Brock, Ted (1990-06-26). "MORNING BRIEFING: IN OREGON, THEY'RE GRATEFUL FOR ALL EXTRA CASH THEY GET". Los Angeles Times: p. C2.

Weir's been active in recent years for environmental causes and I guess will be doing Earth Day in DC this year along with other invited celebrities. Not proof of anything regarding fans, but a positive thing to note, nonetheless. And an indication of band members' values.

Then there's the Rex Foundation, of course. http://rexfoundation.org/home/social-change/

There's also this interesting article:

(2007-12-09). "COUNTERCULTURE GREEN". The New York Times.

The Whole Earth Catalog, originally published in 1968, had one of the most arresting covers in 20th-century publishing: an image of the Earth as seen from space. The idea for the picture came to Stewart Brand, Whole Earth's publisher, in 1966, when, in the throes of an acid trip, he thought, ''Seeing an image of the earth from space would change a lot of things.'' Brand positioned himself on the campus of the University of California, Berkeley, wearing a sandwich board and selling lapel buttons that asked, ''Why haven't we seen a photograph of the whole Earth yet?'' He mailed the buttons to Congress, and legend has it his lobbying goaded NASA into releasing celestial pictures from an Apollo mission.

According to ''Counterculture Green: The Whole Earth Catalog and American Environmentalism,'' by Andrew G. Kirk, the mind-blowing photo of our planet was a catalyst for the ecology movement. The Whole Earth Catalog itself became the voice of a new kind of environmental advocacy that, rather than shunning science as nature's enemy, embraced it as the key that could unlock the door to personal freedom and create a post-scarcity social utopia. Advances like pictures from space, personal computers, geodesic domes and even nuclear power were all part of what became known as the ''appropriate technology movement,'' for which the Whole Earth Catalog was both a resource and a summary. No tree-hugging Luddite or apocalyptic doomsayer, Brand, Kirk writes, had an optimistic outlook shaped by ''a love of good tools, thoughtful technology, scientific inquiry and a Western libertarian skepticism of the government's ability to take the lead in these areas.'' Brand wrote of his own publication, ''This is a book of tools for saving the world at the only scale it can be done, one hand at a time.''

...

That's not to say Brand and his comrades weren't wild and crazy. Brand enthusiastically described the Alloy Gathering in New Mexico in the spring of 1969 as ''outlaws, dope fiends and fanatics.'' They were ''doers primarily, with a functional grimy grasp on the world. World thinkers, dropouts from specialization. Hope freaks.'' Kirk notes that ''from a distance'' the Alloy Gathering might have looked like just another extended hippie party, but inside its domes was ''a remarkable collection of productive appropriate-technology innovators mapping out a tech-friendly environmental ethic decades ahead of its time.'' Among Brand's fellows in the movement were Steve Baer, who had designed the alternative energy structures at the Drop City commune in Colorado; J. Baldwin, the New Age hippie who was a Whole Earth writer and editor and a '''thing-maker, tool-freak and prototyper' for an inventive generation''; John Perry Barlow, a Grateful Dead lyricist and counterculture libertarian who referred to cyberspace as the Electronic Frontier; and Buckminster Fuller, the iconoclastic designer whom Whole Earth introduced ''to a new generation -- promoting him to the status of cult hero.''

...




tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Apr 18, 2010 - 08:47pm PT
Like i said. The music is awsome, its cool to mingle with street people and eat 50 cent grilled cheese cooked on a camp stove in the dirt but don't kid yourself about the tour being nirvana. Its just a bunch of folks getting wasted..;)
tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Apr 18, 2010 - 10:28pm PT
400 shows.. thats about $12,000 in admissions. that's one hell of a climbing trip.......

The thing that disturbs me about tour is so many people putting so much time and energy into partying without much return on their investment in the way of bettering themselfs or society.. In 10 shows or less you can learn how to live on the street which is a good perspective to have but not something you want to make a real habbit of..
A climbing bum can also learn to be homeless while getting in superb physical condition and experienceing an amazeing ammout of natural beauty. Meanwhile the deadhead just gets fcked up and listens to the same 150 songs endlessly...

My advice to any young kid with the urge to go on tour is go to a few shows every now and then but save your money, buy an instrument and learn how to make music instead of just listening to it.... YMMV
yosguns

climber
Durham, NC
Apr 18, 2010 - 11:53pm PT
tradman, I appreciate this sentiment a lot more than passing Dead Heads off as hypocrites.

I've often felt this divide with my parents. They understand the appeal of a community of climbers because they relate it to their experience with the Dead. But, I always felt discomfort at accepting the two experiences as one in the same. As a climber, I always felt so much more productive even though the time commitment, bumming, and unemployment could be similar in both communities.

I think climbing gives me a lot more for my investment. Dead shows are an easy and quick fix comparatively. From there, I can't help but think young people would benefit more from climbing outdoors, choosing their routes...than spending all that time spinning around at Dead shows.

But...as you say, shows also also serve a purpose. :-) I'm not sure if the Dead Heads who didn't have the opportunity to climb are better or worse off for the time they spent at shows. I personally would much rather have more Dead Heads wandering around than not Dead Heads...and climber Dead Heads trump all.
drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 19, 2010 - 12:19am PT
tradman~ you make some valid points but many of your opinions seem to be those of a more casual observer.
Indeed, when climbing took over my life, travelling to shows seemed pointless. I had had enough of cities and crowds... but what a kid can learn about themselves, our country, self reliance, car repair(!)...is priceless. The memories and friends I have from traveling with the Dead will be cherished forever, just like my climbing experiences.

Tour was just a microdot, I mean, microcosm of society in general. Good and bad.
The sweeping generalizations you make about the scene and Heads are kinda lame, but common. Whatever...
At least you dig the music, which was and is what it's all about, for me at least.
Your comment about buying an instrument and playing is right on! My life became much richer when i learned how to play the guitar and comleted my first song, "Loser".
Last fair deal in the country!

Oh, and tickets didn't cost 30 bucks a pop.. not even New Years!!!
and you think Pate ACTULLY PAID for all those tickets???!!!!
Hahahahahahahahahahahaaha
tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Apr 19, 2010 - 08:43am PT
Early nintys tickets were 26- 28 but there was always tax and some other fee tacked on by the seller. I budgeted it at $30 when i was being honest with myself.. Unless Pate is a hot chick or a dealer there is no effin way he is getting miricaled.. that sh#t does not happen to guys unless they are the candy man... don't forget the quarters you wasted dialing 1-900 RUN DEAD to find out the date the tickets go on sale so you could do your mail in.. Or the days you wasted sitting on a sidewalk waiting in line to buy tickets..
Seriously unless you are a hot chick or a dealer, tour costs a shitload more money than you think...........

INMOP the tour is a neat semi usefull experience if you get out in time.. There are a lot of pitfalls allong the way that can seriously mess up your life in the long term....

These days I play a bunch of other stuff but my set list still includes..

Loser
Jack a roe
Dark Hollow
All arround this world
China Doll
Cassidy
I know you rider
Girl from the crossroad Bar
Bird song
Jack straw
Warf rat
Dire Wolf
Stella Blue
etc...

tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Apr 19, 2010 - 09:30am PT
It is 17 years since I took this photo.. I wonder what these chicks are doing now. In their mid 30's? Are they productive members of society? did they fall between the cracks? It would bee very neat to find out....
tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Apr 19, 2010 - 09:39am PT
Both these guys are drinking the same beer. In one shot the drunk is pushing a cop car.. in the other he has just climbed a wicked cool boulder.. the photographer is buzzed in both photos..

The desert experience was hands down cooler and more of an influence on my life....
Norwegian

Trad climber
Placerville, California
Apr 19, 2010 - 11:06am PT
someone say grilled cheese?
Rudyj2

Trad climber
UT
Apr 19, 2010 - 11:20am PT



I know a little something
you won't ever know


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMePHT3dBPM

Doug Robinson

Trad climber
Santa Cruz
Apr 19, 2010 - 11:46am PT
Tradman, everyone comes into the game at whatever level (s)he can find to play it, and runs it out as best (s)he can.

The dude pushing on the cop car suffers from testosterone poisoning, pretty common in young guys. Some of them also happen to be Deadheads. He may have been constrained by so urban a horizon that he never found boulders to climb and wild country to soothe his yearning.

Lucky, lucky second guy. No fault to the limitations of first guy. But certainly an opportunity for first guy if he ever stumbled into a climbing gym or The Gulch.

Met an older chick yesterday whose life was totally changed by a single acid trip in her 20s. Can't speak for the two women in your photo, but this one is in later life a massage therapist so respected and in demand she sometimes works 12 hours in a day.

I never went to that many shows, but the Dead are on my iPod every time I duck into the woods or the mountains. Changed my life as much as the drugs did, as much as the holy stone did.

I grieve the t-shirt I once left on the ground at a show when I ecstatically ripped it from my body in the sunshine. But they -- the combination of the Dead, the Alpine, and the Drugs -- also inspired me to put up the Dark Star.
tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Apr 19, 2010 - 01:52pm PT
Pate, what part makes me the moron? the part where i stopped going to shows when jerry died? the part where I questioned the validity of feeling special just because you hang out with a bunch of really cool people and get wasted a bunch, the part where i worried about the future of some of the young folks caught up in it? The part where I figured out that climbing was way cooler than doing drugs at shows? Yes it was a super cool experience if you got off the buss at the right stop. The right stop is deferent for eveyone but I do know a few who missed that stop..

One of the guys I worked with this winter got busted Again for distribution at further in Feb.. dude is way old enough to know better but still riding the same buss......
tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Apr 19, 2010 - 01:59pm PT
BTW, Fish sucks! Way to busy..
drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 19, 2010 - 02:30pm PT
You know this space is getting hot.

or is it

you know it's gonna get stranger.

hey...

Let's get on with the show!
Mick K

climber
Northern Sierra
Apr 19, 2010 - 02:42pm PT
I dare you to try it....you just might like it...

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1968-10-20.sbd.miller.9071.shnf
Norwegian

Trad climber
Placerville, California
Apr 19, 2010 - 03:00pm PT
tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Apr 19, 2010 - 05:51pm PT
Ricardo Cabeza

climber
All Over.
Apr 19, 2010 - 06:03pm PT
OK, I have an addiction to electronic music, and it's due to the Dead and Phish.

I'll admit it, I like to fry my brains out and roll my head off ( the latter may not be your guys styles, but whatever.)

The source of my addiction was the Dead in the late 70's, when estimated came out and Donna screamed like the she-banshee that she was. That was growing up. Once I hit adulthood, the Dead were done and I looked for the next-best-thing.

I found it in Phish. In the late 90's, they were HOT! Deep jams, great lights.
I loved it when I was frying and the blue lights came up...magic!!!!

I continued my love of the Dead and Phish for years, until I hit my first rave.
It was DJ Lorin (bassnectar) of Burning Man fame.
I was sober at the show, and it changed my life.
The bass, the...everything.

I'm sure i'm not the first hippie turned raver out there.

It's not about drugs, but at certain times, they are worthy.

I could write for days about this, but I won't.
tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Apr 19, 2010 - 06:25pm PT
Fish is just too nervous for me. It does not have the steady groove that the Dead has...
tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Apr 19, 2010 - 06:51pm PT
Yes Doug, that was a stellar post.. We all are just trying to get by the best we can......
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Apr 19, 2010 - 07:03pm PT
Fish products™ is too busy.
Phish, sucks.

so to speak. YMMV
Ricardo Cabeza

climber
All Over.
Apr 19, 2010 - 07:15pm PT
Ashes, Ashes all fall down.

Blazin strong right now, brothers.
Rudyj2

Trad climber
UT
Apr 23, 2010 - 11:07pm PT
I started out on burgundy
But soon hit the harder stuff
Everybody said they'd stand behind me
When the game got rough
But the joke was on me
There was nobody even there to bluff
I'm going back to New York City
I do believe I've had enough.

New Furthur shows just announced in NYC.

http://www.furthur.net/
Norwegian

Trad climber
Placerville, California
Apr 23, 2010 - 11:22pm PT
water bright as the sky from which it came.
we can count the angels, dancin on a pin.
yosguns

climber
Durham, NC
Apr 24, 2010 - 01:55am PT
I am. I am...

(...studying, if anyone asks.)
yosguns

climber
Durham, NC
May 4, 2010 - 11:14pm PT
Omaha Civic Auditorium on 1973-10-21

Anyone know where I can procure a good recording of this one?
justthemaid

climber
Jim Henson's Basement
May 7, 2010 - 10:15pm PT
For a while I dated a guy that worked the shows. I pretty much attended every California show between 1989 and 1991. Fun times.
drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - May 8, 2010 - 05:45pm PT
http://www.archive.org/details/gd83-10-14.horvath-atm.dodd.16907.sbeok.shnf

This was my very first bootleg. The second set.
Wore it out.
Love it to this day.

This is one of my favorite Scarlet>Fires..
Spanish Jam is just unreal.

A little known fact- this was
Trey Anastasio's first Dead show.

yosguns

climber
Durham, NC
May 8, 2010 - 08:02pm PT
Got it on the archive, was wondering if there was a higher quality copy somewhere. Also, is there a way to rip archive sets onto CD?
Steve Grossman

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
May 9, 2010 - 01:05pm PT
As I was hiking through the mountains of stuff in my father's house, I came across this sweet graphic from 67.


Jefe- How the hell did I not meet you at Birdfest?!? I did get your e-mail about Maurice and it made me laugh heartily. My dear old dad was certainly "one funky dude!" as you put it. None Funkier in my experience! LOL

His response to the mention of the Grateful Dead was always "what about the Ungrateful Living?!?"
Steve Grossman

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
May 9, 2010 - 03:56pm PT
That "plate" is a Frisbee art disc, actually! Perfect for the bathroom because it is a little too nice to embellish with scuffs and dog bites! LOL
Steve Grossman

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
May 12, 2010 - 12:08pm PT
One man gathers what another man spills...
Norwegian

Trad climber
Placerville, California
May 12, 2010 - 12:23pm PT
when there were no strings to play, you played to me.
when i had no wings to fly, you flew to me.
when there was no dream of mine, you dreamed of me.

-r.h. at his best.
Norwegian

Trad climber
Placerville, California
May 12, 2010 - 12:54pm PT
me an my uncle, went ridin' down... south colorado. west texas bound.
we stopped over, in sante fe. that being the point, just 'bout half way,
and you know it was the hottest part of the day.


.....

ashes, ashes. we all fall down.



old beas, i hope you travel far and free upon the mountain winds of the shasta.

edit,
btw, the overalls that dick is wearing in that first picture, i now don proudly:
Norwegian

Trad climber
Placerville, California
May 12, 2010 - 08:22pm PT
how about that Spinach Jam stuffed between some drums and the Other One.
hartford!

10/14/83 dick's picks six.

donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
May 12, 2010 - 08:24pm PT
Not a lot of talent, but fans too stoned to discern.
Norwegian

Trad climber
Placerville, California
May 12, 2010 - 08:36pm PT
donini, please keep your uneducated and silly opinions silenced.
all due respect for you, indeed.

but i hear the dead sober often and they get inside my head and make me smile from the inside. eh?

the boys, they possessed talent that was not easily discernable by the...
well, by some.

Steve Grossman

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
May 13, 2010 - 10:39am PT
Jim- Are you calling the Great Fred Beckey "too stoned to discern?!?"
drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - May 13, 2010 - 10:56am PT
...Let the world go by
all lost and dreamin'....

as for donini~
I'm sorry that you feel that way,
only thing there is to say,
every silver linings got a
touch of gray.


HEY NOW!
Norwegian

Trad climber
Placerville, California
May 13, 2010 - 11:40am PT
copenhagen, 1973

dancer.

1969.

mr. lesh.
drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - May 13, 2010 - 11:57am PT
Grossman~ Fred wasn't stoned, he was DEAF!
Phil,"Everybody take a step BACK"
Becky,"WHAT?.

And the only reason he would like the Dead was the girls!
Norwegian

Trad climber
Placerville, California
May 26, 2010 - 04:05pm PT
reflect your inner flair.
steal your face right off your head.

cp0915

Mountain climber
LV NV
May 26, 2010 - 04:14pm PT
Pretty stoked to be heading to Furthur Fest this weekend. Forecast looks good, the music should be great, and I'm all smiles.
drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - May 26, 2010 - 09:00pm PT
it's been hot for seven weeks now,
too hot to even speak now,
did you hear what I just heard?

hey now~
check 5.7.77 first set.
(((smokin!)))
one of my faves.
Risk

Mountain climber
Olympia, WA
May 26, 2010 - 09:50pm PT
Kalimon

Trad climber
Ridgway, CO
May 27, 2010 - 01:20am PT
If all you've got to live for is what you left behind . . . get yourself a powder charge and seal that silver mine

Lost my boots in transit babe . . . a pile of smoking leather . . . I nailed a retread to my feet and prayed for better weather!
Norwegian

Trad climber
Placerville, California
May 31, 2010 - 09:42am PT
i got no quarter, but i got some time to hear your story.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgHSk91RhL8&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20dic8S3cWI
survival

Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
May 31, 2010 - 09:46am PT
Not a lot of talent, but fans too stoned to discern.


First time I've seen the man be that wrong.
survival

Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
May 31, 2010 - 10:40am PT
Jim's still mad because when we went to a Winterland show together in 75 he tried to pick up Donna Jean and it didn't pan out.

I ended up with Sugar Magnolia and he ended up with a toothless crone.
Norwegian

Trad climber
Placerville, California
May 31, 2010 - 11:22am PT
"..so long as it's wet and wiggles.."

-pigpen
drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 4, 2010 - 11:22am PT
A box of rain will ease the pain
and love will see you through.


Bound to cover just a little more ground.


Healing vibes sent out to Survival and his mom Mildred.


drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 5, 2010 - 07:15pm PT
drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 8, 2010 - 03:16am PT
Went back for a little reread...
This stood out-

Thanks Ed Hartouni

I thought when he died that it was more from his hyperactivity then the drug abuse. He just "emptied the tank" and coasted to a stop, too exhausted to find a filling station."

Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Jun 8, 2010 - 03:55am PT
"knock, knock, knockin' on heaven's door..."
tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Jun 8, 2010 - 09:14am PT
Jerry died from drug abuse, poor diet and lack of exersize. Trying to sugarcoat it is pathetic.
Norwegian

Trad climber
Placerville, California
Jun 8, 2010 - 09:24am PT
jerry's soul was exhausted thru several mediums.
poor health was only one of those venues.

in respect for jerry's passage thru our space, and then away from our space, it is not pathetic to recognize the other, more romantic mediums thru which he escaped.

one of those being that he poured out his inspiration for so many years, and so intensely, that he simply spent his chi.

much like other artists who passed thru this life with the gas pedal pegged: hendrix, morrison, cobain, kerouac, bachar, porter, fowler, and many, many others.

to negatively summarize a respectful eulogy for someone's passing is pretty pathetic, tradman.
tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Jun 8, 2010 - 09:38am PT
There is nothing romantic about a rock and roll heart attack. I have lost 2 of my friends this way and it sucks. One of the issues is that fans, in this case dead heads try to justify their own drug habits through their idols. The thing I heard the most when Jerry died was that he shouldn't have gone to rehab. Dude, rehab killed him. He should have kept partying man...

If a few of those people had caught the reality bug and and said to themselfs, Self, you need to clean up and take better care of yourself then Jerry's passing would have done some real good in this world.
tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Jun 8, 2010 - 10:09am PT
Pate you are so full of sh#t again. WTF??
I NEVER said that jerry died of a drug overdose. You are one lying sack of shit!

I said "Jerry died from drug abuse, poor diet and lack of exersize."

Nothing in that statement indicates that it was an overdose.

A lifetime of poor diet and drug and alchohol abuse is what put him in the poor health situation that overcame him. The diabetes was a direct result of poor diet and exersise habbits and compounded by the drug use. That is simple fact.

Annother simple fact is that many dead heads blamed rehab for his death rather than confront the reality of the life decisions that lead to his poor health.
tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Jun 8, 2010 - 10:14am PT
Pate, you must be a fckin republican. You quote me as saying that jerry died of a drug overdose. That is a flat out lie! I never said that. You are a liar and a bully. Despicable.
drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 8, 2010 - 10:15am PT
Here's Hartouni's full post that I took that from.

Aug 9, 2009 - 03:07pm PT
Jaybro, that would be very high praise indeed. Garcia was unbelievably active in music, he seemed to be everywhere, all the time, working on nearly every genre of popular music, even making some music genres popular. A brilliant and accomplished muscian.

I thought when he died that it was more from his hyperactivity then the drug abuse. He just "emptied the tank" and coasted to a stop, too exhausted to find a filling station.


Can't believe it started a minishitstorm. Oh yeah I can.


Tradman-retreat! retreat! please?
tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Jun 8, 2010 - 10:26am PT
That is a beautiful post and I have no problem with it as such. It's a nice thing to say about a wonderfull artist.

Pate is still a liar and a bully.
drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 8, 2010 - 10:27am PT
At least pate isn't sugarcoating. That would be pathetic.
drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 8, 2010 - 10:30am PT
"That is a beautiful post and I have no problem with it as such. It's a nice thing to say about a wonderfull artist."
Tradman, why didn't you just say that in the first place?

I didn't really have to release the hounds, you know.
tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Jun 8, 2010 - 10:47am PT
At first glance it flashed me back to when jerry died and all the heads were in the pool room at Uncle Sams Roadhouse and they were all crying about how he should never have gone to rehab and should have just kept doing the drugs. the same theam was repeted over and over again at the candle light vigils and concert that we held. A few years later the 32yr old bass player from that concert had his own rock and roll heart attack due to kidney failure brought on by alchohol and drug abuse..

Jerry brought a wonderfull light into this world and it was extinguished early due to a chronic lifestyle of drugs, booze and chili dogs.

It gets a bit sad when kids worship the vices of their heros. The music is special but the lifestyle ain't what it's cracked up to be.

Pate is still a liar and a bully.
tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Jun 8, 2010 - 11:11am PT
And you are a liar and a bully.
drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 8, 2010 - 11:15am PT
drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 8, 2010 - 11:21am PT
drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 8, 2010 - 11:25am PT

420
BrianH

Trad climber
santa fe
Jun 8, 2010 - 03:44pm PT
The Dead Head Thread (OT and Not) drljefe Jun 8, 2010 08:25am 420

Ha, this is where I saw this thread.

My first show was Madison Square Garden, fall of '79. What were my parents thinking, letting me go like that? I traveled the east coast seeing their shows, the last was in Wash. DC in the mid-90s, one of their last.

All sorts of beautiful memories come tumbling out right now.

I was in Boulder when I hear of his death. One of my colleagues mocked my grief and I did tell him to STFU. I went and banged drums that night and very much enjoyed the energy there. It's the one and only time I've been part of a drum circle.

k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Jun 8, 2010 - 05:32pm PT
Sat.
American Beauty -> Working Man's Dead -> Anthem of the Sun

Sun.
Blues for Allah -> Aoxomoxoa -> Terrapin Station

Bravo.
Norwegian

Trad climber
Placerville, California
Jun 9, 2010 - 12:42am PT
woof. woof.

jerry always had that jenius just beyond his finger tips. he grabbed it, yes and held on tight but the pursuit of which devoured the achievement.

that glorius moment which beckons us onward is still. we ramble on and diesel down and dance around the sun in admirable efforts to be, in that glorious moment. but it is still.

so in our hasty pursuit, we fly right by it, and if we're lucky we sneek a glimpse of that which we pursue and behold it's potential though then we coast on by to beyond the moment because no emotional brakes are strong enough to interrupt the momentum of our glee and, then, we're gone. and we cant find it anymore, because it is still. and we are not.

beyond the moment is grandoise in it's confusion and wonder. we are lost, and all of our screaming dreams are reduced to one, feeble wish, but it whispers and is caught up in the aimless breezes and taken to all places simultaneously but noone hears it except wall street and the boss cannot explain the sudden thousand percent jump in the dow.
cowpoke

climber
Jun 9, 2010 - 10:14am PT
Can't talk to you
without talking to me,
we're guilty of the same
old thing

Talking a lot about less and less
and forgetting
the love we bring.

cp0915

Mountain climber
LV NV
Jun 9, 2010 - 11:08am PT
Sat.
American Beauty -> Working Man's Dead -> Anthem of the Sun

Sun.
Blues for Allah -> Aoxomoxoa -> Terrapin Station

Bravo.

Indeed. And Friday night was better than either.
dr. juicer kaniglio

Trad climber
san diego, ca
Jun 9, 2010 - 12:15pm PT
I saw the Further crew (bobbi, and phil), in Angels Camp a week ago. Amazing venue, and close to the valley. It was my first Dead show and I was completely blown away. The scene was down and dirty, and there were some roughneck people about. I saw the sunrise all three days. One of the best three day shows iv ever seen. Those people definitely know how to party...
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Jun 9, 2010 - 12:17pm PT
I'm not now nor was I a Dead Head back in the day. I remember debating Workingman's Dead back in high school when it was released, whether or not that represented a step forward or a step backward... since I was a big psychedelic rock fan I missed the interesting direction the Dead were going in... many steps forward.

But when you look at the whole SF rock scene its hard to separate the players into bands... I remember a couple of years later, when a student at UCB, going by the Keystone on University Ave and seeing on the marquee: "Jerry Garcia and Friends" it seemed like it always was happening, so I never saw a performance there, assuming we'd always be able to...

...it was more fun, for me, to travel out to Golden Gate Park and attend a free concert at Speedway Meadow... and I liked the Airplane better, anyway, even though the bands mixed members for these sorts of impromptu performances... maybe it was Grace...

...but I listen to the Dead now, and marvel at their musicality, and especially at the quality of their recordings from back when some truly bad stuff was recorded... and the apparent ease of it all, and the fun.

Hard to be judgmental about the drugs, seems we all had fun with that back then, and paid the bill later in one way or the other. Part of the "thrill of living" when we had these great bodies and minds and anything seemed possible. Unfortunately we turned a deaf ear to the wisdom of our elders, "you don't need to experience everything, especially if you know what's likely to happen."

Who can regret the indiscretions of youth?

drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 10, 2010 - 01:18pm PT
A rare and different tune...


Ed, cool. You must be familiar with the PERRO recordings and Wally Heider Studios and that whole scene. The "cross polination" that has always seemed to exist in the Bay Area music scene is really cool.

I'm not able to provide a link right now, but a great, widely circulated bootleg of Garcia, Grisman, And Tony Rice was eventually released officially as the "Pizza Tapes".
Legend has it that a delivery guy lifted one of the masters of the guys pickin an grinnin on a boat in Sausilito. Great stuff with some funny interludes. Check it out!
Norwegian

Trad climber
Placerville, California
Jun 10, 2010 - 01:39pm PT
i done f*#ked up already!
drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 10, 2010 - 03:03pm PT
classic^^^^^
here's another
Appetizer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylx7akIbDiw&feature=related

Rosa Lee McFall!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8S9YkhDjWM&feature=related
drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 10, 2010 - 03:06pm PT
here's some p.e.r.r.o stuff
http://www.aquariumdrunkard.com/2009/01/05/david-crosby-1970-outtakes-aka-perro-tapes/
Ricardo Cabeza

climber
All Over.
Jun 10, 2010 - 03:23pm PT
Nice! I dig Perro tapes.

An aside, I just saw Govt Mule last weekend and Warren is still crushing it! His Sat night set was almost all covers, done VERY well! I got to go backstage and hang out in the sound trailer at the end of the show, it was really cool to see how those guys make it happen behind the scenes, even if I was a little, um, nevermind.

Also saw Allison Krauss, Spearhead, Levon Helms, Derek Trucks,Les Claypool,Sam Bush, Steve Earle, many others. Such a worthwhile roadtrip.

Any east coasters should check out Mountain Jam next year.

Now I've got to get ready for Nateva Festival (sick!), Gathering of the Vibes, and Black Rock City. It's going to be a long, strange summer.

Fare thee well now, let your life proceed by it's own design...
drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 15, 2010 - 12:28pm PT
just got a copy of this
http://www.dead.net/features/road-trips-volume-3-number-1

79 was an exciting time for the Dead-
Debut of "Tiger" for Jerry
Bobby playing his "Cowboy" Ibanez solid body
Phil on "Big Brown"
New house PA
"The Beast"- New drum set up developed for Apocalypse Now
Brent finishing up his first year

The sound is cracklin' on this one boys!
survival

Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
Jun 15, 2010 - 12:46pm PT
Send me a bootleg copy....heh..heh....
Mick K

climber
Northern Sierra
Jun 15, 2010 - 12:49pm PT
Phil and Bobby are taking it Furthur at Red Rocks this Fall. Tickets are on sale now! http://furthur.net/

Anyone know if there is bouldering in or around Red Rocks?

Furthur 5/30/10 http://www.archive.org/details/furthur2010-05-30.nak300.gilmore.108032.flac16
cowpoke

climber
Jun 15, 2010 - 07:25pm PT
Brent finishing up his first year
this summer, it will be 20 years since his last.

whew. i miss him.

I had a lot of dreams once, but some of them came true...
Kalimon

Trad climber
Ridgway, CO
Jun 16, 2010 - 09:54pm PT
If my words did glow with the gold of sunshine and my tunes were played on the harp unstrung,

would you hear my voice come through the music, would you hold it near as it were your own?
Kalimon

Trad climber
Ridgway, CO
Jun 18, 2010 - 01:25am PT
It's a hand me down . . . the thoughts are broken, perhaps they're better left unsung . . . I don't know, don't really care . . . let there be songs to fill the air . . .
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Jun 18, 2010 - 01:44am PT
Ripple in, still water...
drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 18, 2010 - 06:15pm PT
On this day in Dead history...

I was in the Bay Area for the Summer Solstice run at Shoreline,'89.
http://www.archive.org/details/gd89-06-18.sbd.wiley.9053.sbeok.shnf

Kind of a sloppy show, but no ordinary sloppy show!
Things got a little heavy for me during the second set, but the boys brought me back like only they could. Jaybro will dig.
I ended up walking from Shoreline back to my hotel on El Camino Real in Palo Alto.
How far is that, really? Anyone?

And here's a legendary one from Freedom Hall
http://www.archive.org/details/gd1974-06-18.sbd.miller.89690.sbeok.flac16

Anyone else wear this tape out?
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Jun 18, 2010 - 07:17pm PT
Get 'em while they're HOT!

http://www.ticketmaster.com/event/0B0044D1D8625A87?artistid=735200&majorcatid=10001&minorcatid=1
Kalimon

Trad climber
Ridgway, CO
Jun 18, 2010 - 09:19pm PT
That's quite a hike there Jefe . . . you should map it out.

I remember the same feeling of being pulled back in from the edge by the magic of the musical moment . . . sometimes you have to go all to pieces in order to put it all back together again.
Kalimon

Trad climber
Ridgway, CO
Jun 18, 2010 - 09:46pm PT
Mick K,

Yes there is bouldering in Morrison south of Red Rocks. Take State Route 26
past R.R. Amphitheater into the town of Morrison. At the stop light take a left and park on the right near the end of town next to the creek. Morrison Wall is above the road opposite the parking. The Black Hole, Wisdom Simulator, Lobby Area (Warm-up Wall), Hairy Scary Wall, Sailor's Delight, Cockpit, 5.8 Boulder, Tree Slab, Magnum Wall, Spike Rock, Bowling Ball Wall and Nautilus Wall are all found in this area.

Morrison South Side is 0.2 miles out of town then right on Soda Lakes Road and tends to be less crowded. Many problems will be found in this area.

Check out Philip Benningfield's "Colorado Bouldering" for complete details.
Kind of dated compared to some more recent publications.
Norwegian

Trad climber
Placerville, California
Jun 18, 2010 - 10:04pm PT
i'm sittin' with abraham and isaac,
waitin for a left hand monkey wrench to find me.

we finished my bottle and we're breakin' into yours...
Kalimon

Trad climber
Ridgway, CO
Jun 19, 2010 - 12:38am PT
Half a cup of rock and Rye . . . Farewell to you old southern skies, I'm on my way!
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Jun 19, 2010 - 01:45am PT
on my way,

If all you got to live for is what you left behind,

Get yourself a powder charge and seal that silver mine.
drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 19, 2010 - 02:47am PT
So grateful...
thanks brothers, for keeping this train rollin down the tracks.

Hot a pistol
but cool inside.
Kalimon

Trad climber
Ridgway, CO
Jun 20, 2010 - 12:04am PT
I have spent my life
Seeking all that's still unsung
Bent my ear to hear the tune
And closed my eyes to see
When there were no strings to play
You played to me . . . Peace brother Jefe!
survival

Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
Jun 20, 2010 - 09:09am PT
I see the Gulf Of Mexico, as tiny as a tear, the coast of California must be somewhere over here...over here.


Kalimon

Trad climber
Ridgway, CO
Jun 20, 2010 - 10:16am PT
When all the cards are down
there's nothing left to see
There's just the pavement left
and broken dreams
In the end there's still that song
comes crying like the wind
down every lonely street
that's ever been . . . Stella Blue

Thanks to Pate and Survival for all the images posted to this thread. They really stimulate the memories.
Ricardo Cabeza

climber
All Over.
Jun 20, 2010 - 10:44am PT
Ashes ashes all fall down.

I get to see Bobby in Manchester in a couple of weeks!!!
survival

Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
Jun 20, 2010 - 11:07am PT
Good stuff!


drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 26, 2010 - 05:48am PT
Terrapin stands alone
drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 27, 2010 - 04:55pm PT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9t7HVgeW2Kk&feature=related
I'd rather be with you.

I got a little emotional at the end there.
EP

Social climber
Way Out There
Jun 27, 2010 - 06:05pm PT
http://www.archive.org/details/gd1977-05-08.shure57.stevenson.29303.flac16
Kalimon

Trad climber
Ridgway, CO
Jun 27, 2010 - 07:04pm PT
Nice intimate views of all the boys . . . We miss you Brent and Jerry!

I'd rather be with you . . .
Norwegian

Trad climber
Placerville, California
Jun 28, 2010 - 09:46am PT
cowboy neal, stuckk, with mismatched shoes somewhere in never-ever land.
Ricardo Cabeza

climber
All Over.
Jun 28, 2010 - 01:22pm PT
Furthur in Lowell, MA this week.

Phish last week.

Life doesn't suck this summer!
Norwegian

Trad climber
Placerville, California
Jun 29, 2010 - 11:54am PT
jesus wholly gesture, pigpen!

and dean,

thank you boys for obliterating my thoughtless stare into this world.
i wear a grin often, in your name.
Norwegian

Trad climber
Placerville, California
Jul 8, 2010 - 11:58pm PT
lay down my dear brothers,
lay down and take your rest.
oh won't you lay your head,
upon your savior's breast.

i love you,
oh but jesus loves you the best.

and i bid you good night,
good night,
good night.
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Jul 9, 2010 - 12:16am PT
Never were two words (dead and head) put together with more meaning.
pocoloco1

Mountain climber
The Chihuahua Desert
Jul 9, 2010 - 12:20am PT
Potato soup and nitrous balloons for sale, anyone remember this persons name?
Kalimon

Trad climber
Ridgway, CO
Jul 9, 2010 - 12:32am PT
Why don't you go listen to your Tiny Tim collection Donini . . . there is an obvious generational gap in your appreciation of psychedelic music.
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Jul 9, 2010 - 12:36am PT
I was probably doing psychedelics when you were getting your first diapers dirty, that doesn't mean I have to appreciate what I feel is bad music. To each his own, tastes differ.
sempervirens

Trad climber
Trinity County
Jul 9, 2010 - 12:44am PT
maybe some haven't heard this one...:

what did one dead head say to the other when they ran out of drugs?

"This music sucks!"
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Jul 9, 2010 - 12:47am PT
Touche.
Norwegian

Trad climber
Placerville, California
Jul 9, 2010 - 01:06am PT
it's no bother if you miss the message jim.
it wasn't meant for your heart.

your ears and see'ers recoginze a different flavor of life than me.

for when i hear the boys properly express, there are few sweeter moments.
they have been my head passenger through and thru as i crossed the tracks despite their caution, as i woke the sleepy aligator.. as the mirror shattered and poured itself into ashes...as the space trembled and exploded i grabbed onto their wake and rode their tattered coattails to beyond.

and i never came back. for what the f*#k is back anyway besides a conquered exhausted horizon all wrung out of its charm.

go jim and flourish in your zeal. t-bone steak and 5.9 handcracks i muse.

one day i forgot my belt and i finally understood well, gravity.
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Jul 9, 2010 - 01:10am PT
Nicely said, I'm going to bed.
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Jul 9, 2010 - 11:03am PT
What's to love Pate? Sounds like a little ecstasy would help you to. Is a preference in music so hard to understand?
Kalimon

Trad climber
Ridgway, CO
Jul 9, 2010 - 11:29am PT
A preference to music is completely understandable . . . it is the unnecessary derision spewed into this celebration of the Grateful Dead Experience that is objectionable. There are surely more appropriate places to vent negativity.

Norwegian has expressed the essence with clarity, elegance and grace.

One pane of glass in the window, no one is complaining though, come in and shut the door . . .
survival

Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
Jul 9, 2010 - 11:35am PT
Is a preference in music so hard to understand?


So Jim, what's your music, so we can slam on that a little?


Midnight on a carousel ride, reaching for the gold ring down inside.
Never could reach, it just slipped away. But I tried....
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Jul 9, 2010 - 11:48am PT
Your anger is palpable Kalimon, sit down and take a pill. Lo be it for me to say anything negative about a group or person who has achieved ST iconic status. It seems to me that threads invite discussion pro or con about a subject. What you want is selective censorship. Speaking of derision- the posts objecting to what I said were ad hominem in nature.
Lambone

Ice climber
Ashland, Or
Jul 9, 2010 - 11:48am PT
Never been much of a Deadhead, although I enjoy them. I caught the last show when I was a senior in High School.

Phish has allways been my shtick and I couldn't be happier they are back on their game. So happy Trey didn't follow Jerry's self destructive path, it was close there for a bit.

Oh and nice post Noweigan!
drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 9, 2010 - 04:08pm PT
Norweege, that was great..kinda reminded me of that "101 Grateful Dead Songs" poster.
Anyone remember that one?

Oh, Jim... pull that blue cam out of your bunghole, have some melba toast, and put on your favorite Liberace vinyl.
;~)
And dude, don't play with poopie diapers when you're tripping! Did I read that right?

Comes a time
when the blind man
takes your hand
says "don't you see?"
Kalimon

Trad climber
Ridgway, CO
Jul 9, 2010 - 11:04pm PT
I am sorry if I have let my anger bleed into the purity of this ST thread . . . Donini is right, I am pissed off about a lot of what I see in this crazy world in which we live, I cannot help it.

I do not condone censorship either and was being hypocritical by not accepting your opinion for what it is.

Some come to laugh their past away, some come to make it just one more day . . . Whichever way your pleasure tends, if you plant ice, you're gonna harvest wind . . .

Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Jul 9, 2010 - 11:07pm PT
The wheel keeps turning....
Norwegian

Trad climber
Placerville, California
Jul 9, 2010 - 11:18pm PT

if the thunder don't get you then the lightening will
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Jul 9, 2010 - 11:35pm PT
The wheel in the sky keeps on turning...




[no,wait...]
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Jul 9, 2010 - 11:54pm PT
A little bit farther than you been before.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Jul 10, 2010 - 12:06am PT
Ain't no doubt about it, that Hunter sure can hunt the lyrics. And when Garcia put 'em to music, look at what happened. So many melodies, so many awesome visuals through the combos.

I head some dude say once "Yeah, that's all we need, another tune about women in the summer..." As if the only image the Dead ever sung about was Sugar Mag. Still, that's not a bad image (women, in the summer), but just a simple lyric...


Crimson white and indigo ...

sung by Jerry, and it feels like a barn door opening and closing at the same time.

KaBAMM!!

Not that I feel sorry for the folks who haven't been able to "hear" the depth of that trip, but...






Soul, baby. Soul.


!~!~!~!

Sometimes we walk alone...
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Jul 10, 2010 - 12:09am PT
P.S. Nor, fuggin great post up yonder...
drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 10, 2010 - 01:16am PT
Gone are the days we stopped to decide
where we should go
we just ride
gone are the broken eyes
we saw through in dreams
gone both dream and lie.
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Jul 18, 2010 - 09:46pm PT
St. Jerry's! (the unfinished)
Kalimon

Trad climber
Ridgway, CO
Jul 18, 2010 - 09:50pm PT
"Steal your face right off your thread" . . .
drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 22, 2010 - 10:16pm PT
K Man is right...
The working relationship between Hunter and Garcia is truly unique, amazing and beautiful.

I'm on a Crazyfingers kick right now...probably because it's finally raining here in Tucson.

And if anyone is curious about all the allusions, references and imagery in Hunter's lyrics(and Barlow's for that matter), check out The Annotated Grateful Dead Lyrics site~ a UC Santa Cruz.edu page I think. Cool stuff.

Reaching for the gold ring, down inside.
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Jul 22, 2010 - 10:20pm PT
and it's summer time, too!

(not really OT)
Steve Grossman

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Jul 22, 2010 - 10:40pm PT
Swing into Wake of the Flood if the rain keeps coming...
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Jul 22, 2010 - 10:43pm PT
"Wake up to find out,
that you,
are the eyes,
of the world"




 now how cool is that?
drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 22, 2010 - 10:43pm PT
Never could reach it
just slips away
but I try.
drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 22, 2010 - 11:02pm PT
500th post!

Well Grossman~ I'd rather be singing Row Jimmy than Here Comes Sunshine, that's fo sho!

Can't win for tryin'
Norwegian

Trad climber
Placerville, California
Jul 22, 2010 - 11:09pm PT
..when it seems like night will last forever
And there's nothing left to do but count the years
When the strings of my heart start to sever,
and stones fall from my eyes instead of tears.

i will walk alone. By the black muddy river.
and dream me a dream of myown.
survival

Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
Jul 23, 2010 - 12:30am PT
I heard the most amazing version of The Other One on the sattelite radio the other day.

And I thought I'd heard them all..........NOT!
EP

Trad climber
Way Out There
Aug 1, 2010 - 09:32pm PT
Happy Birthday Jerry!


Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Aug 1, 2010 - 09:54pm PT
The Occasion of this day reminds me of where i was fifteen years ago today; climbing the harding route on Keeler needle. We made some Jerry birthday jokes, and a little over a week later, he was gone.

The week following his death I saw both Lyle Lovett and B.B. King in Reno, Lyle started out with friend of the devil, B.B. worked a tribute into stormy Monday, ~" and then came Wednesday(?)"the day that made us all so sad..."

Somewhere in there a blue grass band played at that big park with the arboreutum as part of the ORCA show and played 'Friend' as a tribue.
sensi

climber
vegas
Aug 2, 2010 - 12:40am PT
HAPPI BIRTHDAY JERRY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qr_zYS2ZzF4
Mtnmun

Trad climber
Top of the Mountain Mun
Aug 2, 2010 - 12:49am PT
It's been a great couple of days of Dead radio around these parts. Happy Birthday Jerry.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Aug 2, 2010 - 12:51am PT
If you go down to the woods today
You're sure of a big surprise
If you go down to the woods today
You better go in disguise
For every bear that ever there was
Will gather there for certain because
Today's the day the teddy bears have their picnic

Lyrics by JG.

Happy Birthday, Brother.
Kalimon

Trad climber
Ridgway, CO
Aug 2, 2010 - 12:52am PT
Went to see the captain, strangest I could find . . . laid my proposition down, laid it on the line.
I won't slave for beggars pay, likewise gold and jewels . . .
But I would slave to learn the way to sink your ship of fools.

Saw your first ship sink and drown from rocking of the boat . . .
All that could not sink or swim was just left there to float.
I won't leave you drifting down but oh it makes me wild, with thirty years upon my head, to have you call me child.

The bottles stand as empty, as they were filled before.
Time there was and plenty, but from that cup no more.
Though I could not caution all, I still might warn a few . . .
Don't lend your hand to raise no flag atop no ship of fools.
drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 2, 2010 - 01:33am PT
Fare you well my honey
Fare you well my only true one
All the birds that were singing
Have flown except you alone

Goin to leave this Broke-down Palace
On my hands and my knees I will roll roll roll
Make myself a bed by the waterside
In my time - in my time - I will roll roll roll


In a bed, in a bed
by the waterside I will lay my head
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
to rock my soul


River gonna take me
Sing me sweet and sleepy
Sing me sweet and sleepy
all the way back back home
It's a far gone lullaby
sung many years ago
Mama, Mama, many worlds I've come
since I first left home


Goin home, goin home
by the waterside I will rest my bones
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
to rock my soul


Goin to plant a weeping willow
On the banks green edge it will grow grow grow
Sing a lullaby beside the water
Lovers come and go - the river roll roll roll


Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
to rock my soul


Norwegian

Trad climber
Placerville, California
Aug 2, 2010 - 01:53am PT
my body is a machine.
with few purposes:
to deliver my open mind up and down and across the absurd landscapes of our plain,

to harbor and process the adventurous toxins,

and to coach itself back to strong, enduring the challenges posed of said toxins.

my body is merely a medium of transport for my mind.
as such, i will exploit it unto the exhaustions.

 robert hunter??
Wayno

Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
Aug 2, 2010 - 03:15am PT
The woman that introduced me to my wife was on old hippie type from San Fran bitd. She lived across the street from Jerry Garcia and he would come over and hang out in her large closet when it got too weird at his place. Swear to Buddha.
Kalimon

Trad climber
Ridgway, CO
Aug 6, 2010 - 02:37am PT
Life may be sweeter for this, I don't know,
See how it feels in the end.

May Lady Lullaby sing plainly for you . . . soft, strong, sweet and true.

Cloud hands reaching from a rainbow, tapping at the window, touch your hair . . . So swift and bright strange figures of light float in air.

Gone are the days we stopped to decide where we should go, we just ride.
Gone are the broken eyes we saw through in dreams . . . gone, both dream and lie.

Life may be sweeter for this, I don't know . . . feels like it might be all right . . .

While Lady Lullaby sings plainly through you, Love still rings true . . .

Midnight on a carousel ride, reaching for the gold ring, down inside . . .
Never could reach it, just slips away but I try.
drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 7, 2010 - 02:42pm PT
Hey heads, and appreciators of fine improvisational jamming~

Check out the tryptic of Lovelight>GDTRFB>Not Fade Away
from disc 2 of Steppin Out~ London '72.
Out of Lovelight an epic battle ensues, with Jerry finally prevailing. The musical conversation and struggle is plain to hear, and the results are nothing short of HOT! One for the ages.

Goin where the climate suits my clothes...
drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 8, 2010 - 10:49am PT
The heart has it's beaches, it's evenings, and songs of it's own.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Aug 8, 2010 - 11:45am PT
One time when they were making things "perfect," Lesh decided to tell a joke.

"A funny thing happened to me on the way to the gig this evening ...

...

...


I got picked up."


DaDump.


For the closing of Winterland, my buddy Matt & I decided to walk to the show the night before and get in line early so we could get good seats (Winterland was a smallish joint with a ring of seats above the dance floor below).

We got to Post & Steiner at about 10pm on Dec 30. Little did we know, the line started 3 days earlier and was already wrapped around the building. I went across the street and slept on a small patch of grass, then foolishly spent the day in line. Early in the morning, Bill pulls up in his Harley with the side car to greet all the heads. Although known as a arse, Bill was a great guy. On the side of the building, Bill had painted the famous phrase: "They not the best at what they do, they're the only ones that do what they do."

In the end it didn't make a dime's worth of difference what time I arrived at the show--At midnight, I was sprawled out on the seats in the back of the auditorium, trying to catch some shut eye before the band came on. An angle (my old GF) spotted me and gave me a magic potion that gave me the energy to dance the night away. Ho boy, that third set...and then breakfast at dawn.


Anything funny happen to you on the way the show?
Rudyj2

Trad climber
UT
Aug 8, 2010 - 06:19pm PT
That is a hell of a good story Pate. One of many I'm sure.


Laguna Seca.....good times. One of the last great venues to allow camping.


Kalimon

Trad climber
Ridgway, CO
Aug 9, 2010 - 01:19am PT
Pate,

How about that Sugar Magnolia-Sugaree opener on the first night at Laguna Seca in 1987? I got my money's worth right then and there! What an awesome venue. Ry Cooder's "Chain Gang" was something else.

Nice mile high club story . . . was it right in the seats?
Kalimon

Trad climber
Ridgway, CO
Aug 9, 2010 - 01:35am PT
Nice leather jacket there Jerome!

You stud.
drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 9, 2010 - 01:47am PT
I was there too, 88.
I had driven from Az to Minnesota helping a family member move. Payment was a one way ticket to the Bay.
My oldest friend, who wasn't a Head, picked me up and whisked me off to the lovely confines of his granny's Pebble Beach Estate. I'm talkin' old ass money. I woke up in the morning to a servant telling me breakfast was served. Then it was off to the dusty ,barefoot dancin, sun soaked scene.
How was El Rayo X...Classic!

Two words~ Goony Bird.

Going back to the mansion was a trip for sure.
I remember not being able to figure out the shower. Classic, right, the dirty hippie who can't work a shower! Well the hot and cold knobs were these ornate wings(for real, not Goony Bird wings). I scalded, I froze. In the end I got clean and repeated the process for the next two days.
That set with the China Crazyfingers Rider was a hot one. The Playin' is unreal~ oldschool style.

Good times pate, thanks for spurring on some fun funny memories!
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Aug 9, 2010 - 01:51am PT
That pic with the SG is amazing....

I have copies of a set of slides a friend of mine had from '68 or so. Garcia has this Anthem tee shirt on, also playing an SG. The only thing, the band's out of focus in all the shots...at first I chalked it up to bad lighting, but then I noticed that the lettering on all the amps are in perfect focus...too funny, I bet the band 'looked' in focus through the eye of the photographer for those shots. Also too bad, they would be priceless if they were in focus. (I wish I knew how to scan slides.)
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Aug 9, 2010 - 02:06am PT
Pate, great flight story, I wish my ride to L.Seca was as insane. Instead, I went with my pal Tom, who told me his car had a tendency to overheat. When it started, he had to turn on the heater to cool the engine. There we were, baking in 100-degree heat with the heater going full force.

Damn if I could remember a song list though....


Although, one of my most memorable shows was at the Swing in '77 when the band broke out Lady with a Fan. Opened the show with it, in fact. Yikes, that was awkward for a moment, the whole building kinda swirled around Phil's bass line, and these benos next to me were high as kites on reds, shouting in slow motion "Hey Garcia, play one for my sister..." Ah, what a year.
Kalimon

Trad climber
Ridgway, CO
Aug 9, 2010 - 02:14am PT
Album Covers! I had all but forgotten about those . . . classic stuff.
drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 9, 2010 - 10:08am PT
F*#kin K Man gets the first Terrapin AND the first Estimated. Good ol San Berdoo...

Umm, I got the first
Death Don't Have No Mercy (since, like, 69)at Shoreline 89..
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Aug 9, 2010 - 12:09pm PT
In '77 Jerry was really excited about his new tune, and when he played Terrapin, he's actually do Pete Townsend-style windmills with is arm. I think he even jumped once.

One of my favorite Jerry photos:

k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Aug 9, 2010 - 12:10pm PT


We miss you Bro.
Kalimon

Trad climber
Ridgway, CO
Aug 9, 2010 - 12:35pm PT
"I must turn down your offer,
but I'd like to ask a break . . .
You know I'm ready to give everything for anything I take . . .

Some folks would be happy just to have one dream come true,
but everything you gather is just more that you can lose" . . .

Thank you for everything Jerry G. and Robert H.!
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Aug 9, 2010 - 03:22pm PT
Jeremy, sorry you are threatened by folks who have positive things to say and music to love. A wise man said we should smile at those with frowns, they are in need of a smile the most.

So here's a smile for you Bro!
Have a fruitful and productive day.
drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 9, 2010 - 03:46pm PT
That Jeremy's a classic!
Thanks for the bump, now go climb some mud will ya!

Just thinkin' about the road, finding fun in the uncertainty, knowing that when you reached the next city there'd be familiarity.

Things we've never seen will seem familiar...

Most of all, thinking about Garcia and the sound of his voice and guitar.
Those sounds have soothed my soul since I was knee high to a snake dick.

I miss Jerry. Just knowing that whatever the season I could drop everything and go...

Shine on, keep on shining!
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Aug 9, 2010 - 04:52pm PT
72hw

Trad climber
Pasadena, CA
Aug 9, 2010 - 09:16pm PT
That story about the usher is classic - I recall being at shows where if you lit a cigarette they would be all over you like flies on sh#t, but they would merely give the finger wag and motion for you to hide it when you lit up the bubbler!

15 years... such a long long time to be gone...

Norwegian

Trad climber
Placerville, California
Aug 9, 2010 - 09:41pm PT
the silence,

as humbly requested by the soul
is infinitely louder than the noise demands, as generated by a culture.
Kalimon

Trad climber
Ridgway, CO
Aug 9, 2010 - 10:32pm PT
Phish in Telluride tonight and tomorrow night . . . no I don't have tix, but it will be interesting to see if they play anything to commemorate Jerry.

"Ten years ago I walked this street, my dreams were ridin' tall . . .
Tonight I would be happy Lord for any dream at all . . .

All the things I planned to do, I only did half way . . .
Tomorrow will be Sunday, born of rainy Saturday . . .

There's some satisfaction in the San Francisco rain . . .
No matter what comes down the Mission always looks the same" . . .
Kalimon

Trad climber
Ridgway, CO
Aug 9, 2010 - 11:16pm PT
Thanks for sharing that Pate, I'm glad the Bay Area is giving Jerome his due . . . kind of a strange coincidence though!

"Come Again"!

F*#k yeah Bobby and Phil!
Norwegian

Trad climber
Placerville, California
Aug 10, 2010 - 01:08am PT
tonight i will dream with jerry.
i will sit upon a picnic table along side jerry while he noodles some new chords out on his guitar.

as i hear the tune i will coax from jerry the lyrics to st. stephen.

meand jerry go a ways back, at least a few lifetimes.

sir, your stay here made better mine.
drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 10, 2010 - 02:05am PT
See here how everything
lead up to this day
and it's just like any other day
thats ever been.
Sun comin' up and then
the sun it's goin' down.
Shine through my window
and my friends they come around,
come around.


I guess it doesn't matter
anyway.

FireIntheCity

Mountain climber
from t'Hate-haunted canyon of human despair
Aug 10, 2010 - 10:36am PT

Pate

Trad climber
Aug 11, 2010 - 01:26pm PT
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Aug 14, 2010 - 09:55pm PT
Spent that dY on sph with an iPod took communion with lynnie and Yerian that night. Sent my own fire on the mtn Tuesday on Conness;
"Long distance runner what you standing there for?"
Kalimon

Trad climber
Ridgway, CO
Aug 14, 2010 - 11:34pm PT
The more that you give, the more it will take . . .
To the thin line beyond which you really can't fake . . .
kbstuffnpuff

Sport climber
State of Confusion
Aug 31, 2010 - 05:59pm PT
What The Grateful Dead go best with:

yosguns

climber
Durham, NC
Sep 5, 2010 - 10:21pm PT
drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 5, 2010 - 11:38pm PT
Breakfast with the Dead...

US Festival 28 years ago today.
Dr.Sprock

Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
Sep 6, 2010 - 12:38am PT
Owsley, 44 years today,

Liner notes for Rare Cuts and Oddities.


1966.

Year of the Fire Horse, a year said by the Chinese to be very unique, full of interesting, even disruptive events.

For me it was very much a unique and strange year. I met Grateful Dead that year and became their soundman. Of all the interesting and wonderful things that I have had an opportunity to do in my life so far, it ranks at the very top of the list. The Dead were young and raw, full of a special kind of energy. They had been a band for only about 6 months and most of their repertoire was covers- but what an eclectic and odd bunch of covers they were. I don't think there has ever been anything quite like them, before or since.

At the time I volunteered to be soundman there was no such thing as a dedicated music PA. Musicians either plugged their mic into their guitar amp, or used whatever was at the venue, usually nothing, but sometimes a church or stadium or small theatre might furnish the venue, and there was something. Most bands did not have soundmen anyway. I decided that we had to build a real system to furnish good sound. I asked a friend, Tim Scully who was heavy into electronics to come aboard and help us, He designed a central preamp and distribution system for all the instruments as well as the vocal channel, and we used McIntosh HiFi amps to power Voice of the Theatre speakers. At first the actual vocal system was my home Hi Fi, which happened to be Voice of the Theatre. At the time there were only really three kinds fo PA systems all primarily used for voice rather than music- there were small systems in churches, and in movie theatres, lastly in large baseball and basketball stadiums. Needless to say, they did no have either the power handling capability or the frequency range needed. The PA became a long term project which would lead over the years to such innovations as the Wall of Sound, and the founding of Meyer Sound Laboratories. The instrument struggles would lead to the creation of Alembic Guitars.

At the time, however the band were playing their instruments through this weird unitized system which was very horn heavy- each speaker setup had a bass cabinet and a small HF horn. The sound was thick and 'horny', which was (and is) like nothing else. Garcia at that time preferred a hollow body Gibson electric and coupled with the speakers it has a sound I have never heard any other guitars make. All this is very apparent on the tracks on this CD. For a while we had a bass augmentation speaker, called a 'Superbass', which we hooked up to Phil. it had an 18" dual voice coil Electrovoice speaker on the bottom pointing down and had passive moving sides made of stiffened styrofoam. We all felt this gadget made a huge effect putting out ultralow frequencies, but it may just have been our imagination- no one saved the box for us to measure later on when we got to the stage we were doing that sort of thing. We may have literally used it up, wore it out, it was intended for the living room Hi Fi..... In the beginning we were hanging on to what seemed like a rocket sled, everything needed work and no-one knew much about what to do. But we were determined to bring R&R music technology into the modern age.

From the very beginning I felt I needed to keep a record of what I was doing as I mixed the PA. I used a stereo reel to reel recorder with the (mono) PA signal in the left channel, principally vocals and drums and a few instruments, with the instruments which were not in the PA- that is, most of them- in the right. The PA was flat out just managing he drums and vocals in those early days. This resembled the Beatles first 'stereo' record, and had a lot of 'space' or 3d effect. I later had to put the vocals into both channels because, as the band started to listen more and more to my tapes, they wanted it to sound more 'conventional'. But panning the vocals destroys most of the space, unfortunately. Floor or ear monitors were still in the future, so the band had trouble keeping the vocals tight and together, and like most young bands, had a distinct habit of rushing the beat, both of which are evident on the tracks. But in my opinion the sound they made in those early days was very special and I am glad my oldest sonic journals have survived this long, so people who have come along recently can hear the sound which captivated my heart and soul close to forty years ago.


Track list for Rare Cuts


1. Walking The Dog - 5:38 (unknown location, early 1966)
2. You See A Broken Heart - 2:50 (unknown location, early 1966)
3. Promised Land - 2:31 (unknown location, early 1966)
4. Good Lovin' - 2:41 (unknown location, early 1966)
5. Standing On The Corner - 2:55 (unknown location, early 1966)
6. Cream Puff War - 3:37 (unknown location, early 1966)
7. Betty and Dupree - 5:35 (unknown location, 3/2/66)
8. Stealin' - 2:53 (unknown location, 3/2/66)
9. Silver Threads and Golden Needles - 3:00 (unknown location, late 1966)
10. Not Fade Away - 3:51 (unknown location, early 1966)
11. Big Railroad Blues - 3:10 (unknown location, Feb/Mar, 1966)
12. Sick and Tired - 3:19 (unknown location, Feb/Mar, 1966)
13. Empty Heart - 6:18 (unknown location, Feb/Mar, 1966)
14. Gangster of Love - 4:35 (Fillmore Auditorium, San Francisco, 7/3/66)
15. Don't Mess Up A Good Thing - 2:56 (Fillmore Auditorium, San Francisco, 7/3/66)
16. Hey Little One - 5:02 (Danish Center, Los Angeles, 3/12/66)
17. I'm A King Bee > - 6:01 (Danish Center, Los Angeles, 3/12/66)
18. Caution - 9:18 (Danish Center, Los Angeles, 3/12/66)


cool artwork from owsley>


Dr.Sprock

Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
Sep 6, 2010 - 12:52am PT
On Psychedelics


There has been a trip taken by many people over a number of years, starting in the 1960's. It is a trip to renew our connection with the planet we live on and its lifeforms. It seemed as though this journey was a natural and important one for our survival and the survival of the world as our home. We thought of ourselves as exploring new ways of looking at the universe, but as it turns out, the adventure is almost as old as man himself.

One of the ideas that developed throughout this period was that the psychedelics (I still feel most comfortable with this old term coined by Humphrey Osmund) were some sort important hormone -like substance which was necessary to the human race, like the various hormones which the body produces within its structure. Unlike these hormones, there are others, perhaps you could call them "planetary hormones" which the plant world produces for the use of animals, and are part of the Gaia or conciousness of the biomass of the whole planet. Healing plants are part of this category. The ones which alter our state and perception of the universe around us are no less important to our development as enlightened entities than those which heal our bodies. Research into the ethnobotanical practices of indigenous peoples around the world show that only the "modern" or western (ie. ours) cultures place any opprobrium on the use of these plants. In fact only the "west" is in the business of trampling on the environment with out regard for the conciousness of the whole or of its importance to us as a part of it. Indigenees almost universally hold that the planet is something alive and that their role is as the protectors of that life. The concept of "owning" the land is nearly impossible for these people to grasp.

I thought that we might just survive and the planet with us if we could manage to get enough people to experience the view which the psychedelics sacraments give. I know that some of you who will read this will object to the term sacrament, but the word is completely appropriate. With the advent of Christianity sacrament has come to be divested of the old meaning and to assume a more ephemeral definition. The magical plants used by folks for tens of thousands of years have been for the most part forgotten. People need to alter their perception of the world around them, in fact it seems to be something done by all animals. In the west there is only two permitted options Alcohol and tobacco. I'm not going to belabor the point, but this "choice" is not something which leads in any way to higher ground.

Shamanism and the use of plants to alter conciousness has a long and respected history in the development of human society. Today it is still found in parts of the world, coexisting with the modern forms of accepted religious activity. In fact, in places like the remote areas of Mexico some of the old ways are openly part of the worship rituals of the Catholic church. Not usually the plants, but the Native American Church in the US has certainly achieved a synthesis of sacred plant use and a form of Christianity. Perhaps this (the inclusion of aspects of Christianity) was necessary to be accepted as a real religion, although that seems odd, the scientologists have succeeded in having their organization accepted as a "church", and it has nothing even remotely suggestive of a spiritual nature about it. Or perhaps it's to do with the fact that the people are the dispossessed Indigenees of a land of colonial immigrants. Or with the fact that they are using the plants.

Today the followers of the Grateful Dead have been preyed upon by law enforcement at many of the venues the Dead visited. They could not peacefully practice what is to them a true religious practice without persecution. I guess it'd be the modern version of feeding Christians to the lions practiced by the government of Rome a couple of thousand years ago. So much for the rhetoric of "freedom of religion", so oft repeated nowadays. So what if the psychedelic of choice is LSD rather than peyote? Is it OK to eat peyote if you are a native American indigenee but not if you are a white or black or other native of America? Since when is there any difference? Why should there be some sort of barrier to joining any religious group? There is only one answer: you are not allowed to be different, to think original thoughts, to act as if you were really free. You are not supposed to experience the world in any way differently to the way those in power wish you to.

It is a fairly modern turn which has led us to this point in time. Plants have only in recent times been unlawful. Although there have been reactions to the introduction of various kinds of psychically active plants into social use...coffee caused a bit of a stir when it was first introduced, as was chocolate. Still, the prohibition movement is a phenomenon of this century. First the war against alcohol, which failed to successfully introduce laws through Congress outlawing booze (the Supreme Court declared that Congress didn't have the authority to do that), succeeded in pushing through an amendment to the Constitution. This was a terrible mistake, and the country still has a powerful Mafia as a direct result of the huge "money for nothing" fees people paid to have access to the drinks they wanted. Even the Volstead amendment didn't criminalize use or possession.

With the repeal, those used to the easy money, having acquired money and therefore power, set about to have introduced new laws which would recreate the money tree. This time they were able, by claiming that the drugs represented a "health and safety" problem, to get passed and approved by the court laws outlawing a variety of plant derived drugs from cannabis to coca and opiates. The inclusion of cannabis may have been the desire of certain industrialists to limit the competition hemp fibers presented to the emerging synthetic fiber industry. Funny thing the court actually said that a tax stamp created with the express intent of never being issued, therefore a defacto prohibition was constitutional! Harmless and joyful cannabis, the wonderful plant which has adapted itself so completely to the service of man, was depicted as a Killer of Youth, Creater of Madness, with all the power of a popular press in the full vigor of its prime. Whether Hearst was paid off to do this, or just thought that anything sensational enough to sell newspapers was ok, will probably never be known.

Today we are seeing a more moderate approach to the hemp matter. People are rediscovering all the uses to which this plant can be put, from making paint to paper. Still there is a weird aversion to the medicinal and recreational values so celebrated throughout history until recent times. "Drug free" strains are touted for the production of fiber and oilseed. What a load of nonsense, as if the conventional recreational drugs were safe and desirable? Even the opiates wouldn't be much of a problem if they weren't illegal, forcing a myriad of eager dealers into the streets for the money for nothing of the black market created by the laws.

Society should never intentionally create a black market. All black markets are a danger to the community due to the lack of controls and the high delivery fees that they force on the delivery system. Likewise there is a huge loss in revenue to the normal flow of commerce through the community. The amounts of money available leads to the inevitable corruption of all who attempt to interfere in the flow of goods in this black market. Black markets made fortunes to the entrepreneurs of the world wars. Tires, fuel and meat made fortunes for those who could divert supplies to their clients. Anything can be a black market. The only thing required is scarcity, or illegality, and a demand for the items.

The use of psychedelics as a part of the religious experience has forced literally hundreds of thousands of otherwise law abiding people into the black market for their supplies. Due to the dangers and costs many have had to turn to dealing to gain access. Within a community which is devoted to the ingestion of these sacred substances there are many who feel that it is a noble calling to be the source for their friends and fellow worshippers. Hold on, some may say, what about those who are merely thrill seekers? Well, maybe the first time a person uses LSD or the other entheogens, they may be motivated by such a motive. The nature of the experience is that of a profound union with the universal mind. This takes place over time, at first things happen one way, then they change with further trips.

The term, "War on Drugs" is a non sequitur. There cannot be a war on anything except people. The question is, why does the government want to wage a war against its own people%
Dr.Sprock

Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
Sep 6, 2010 - 12:57am PT
On Psychedelics


There has been a trip taken by many people over a number of years, starting in the 1960's. It is a trip to renew our connection with the planet we live on and its lifeforms. It seemed as though this journey was a natural and important one for our survival and the survival of the world as our home. We thought of ourselves as exploring new ways of looking at the universe, but as it turns out, the adventure is almost as old as man himself.

One of the ideas that developed throughout this period was that the psychedelics (I still feel most comfortable with this old term coined by Humphrey Osmund) were some sort important hormone -like substance which was necessary to the human race, like the various hormones which the body produces within its structure. Unlike these hormones, there are others, perhaps you could call them "planetary hormones" which the plant world produces for the use of animals, and are part of the Gaia or conciousness of the biomass of the whole planet. Healing plants are part of this category. The ones which alter our state and perception of the universe around us are no less important to our development as enlightened entities than those which heal our bodies. Research into the ethnobotanical practices of indigenous peoples around the world show that only the "modern" or western (ie. ours) cultures place any opprobrium on the use of these plants. In fact only the "west" is in the business of trampling on the environment with out regard for the conciousness of the whole or of its importance to us as a part of it. Indigenees almost universally hold that the planet is something alive and that their role is as the protectors of that life. The concept of "owning" the land is nearly impossible for these people to grasp.

I thought that we might just survive and the planet with us if we could manage to get enough people to experience the view which the psychedelics sacraments give. I know that some of you who will read this will object to the term sacrament, but the word is completely appropriate. With the advent of Christianity sacrament has come to be divested of the old meaning and to assume a more ephemeral definition. The magical plants used by folks for tens of thousands of years have been for the most part forgotten. People need to alter their perception of the world around them, in fact it seems to be something done by all animals. In the west there is only two permitted options Alcohol and tobacco. I'm not going to belabor the point, but this "choice" is not something which leads in any way to higher ground.

Shamanism and the use of plants to alter conciousness has a long and respected history in the development of human society. Today it is still found in parts of the world, coexisting with the modern forms of accepted religious activity. In fact, in places like the remote areas of Mexico some of the old ways are openly part of the worship rituals of the Catholic church. Not usually the plants, but the Native American Church in the US has certainly achieved a synthesis of sacred plant use and a form of Christianity. Perhaps this (the inclusion of aspects of Christianity) was necessary to be accepted as a real religion, although that seems odd, the scientologists have succeeded in having their organization accepted as a "church", and it has nothing even remotely suggestive of a spiritual nature about it. Or perhaps it's to do with the fact that the people are the dispossessed Indigenees of a land of colonial immigrants. Or with the fact that they are using the plants.

Today the followers of the Grateful Dead have been preyed upon by law enforcement at many of the venues the Dead visited. They could not peacefully practice what is to them a true religious practice without persecution. I guess it'd be the modern version of feeding Christians to the lions practiced by the government of Rome a couple of thousand years ago. So much for the rhetoric of "freedom of religion", so oft repeated nowadays. So what if the psychedelic of choice is LSD rather than peyote? Is it OK to eat peyote if you are a native American indigenee but not if you are a white or black or other native of America? Since when is there any difference? Why should there be some sort of barrier to joining any religious group? There is only one answer: you are not allowed to be different, to think original thoughts, to act as if you were really free. You are not supposed to experience the world in any way differently to the way those in power wish you to.

It is a fairly modern turn which has led us to this point in time. Plants have only in recent times been unlawful. Although there have been reactions to the introduction of various kinds of psychically active plants into social use...coffee caused a bit of a stir when it was first introduced, as was chocolate. Still, the prohibition movement is a phenomenon of this century. First the war against alcohol, which failed to successfully introduce laws through Congress outlawing booze (the Supreme Court declared that Congress didn't have the authority to do that), succeeded in pushing through an amendment to the Constitution. This was a terrible mistake, and the country still has a powerful Mafia as a direct result of the huge "money for nothing" fees people paid to have access to the drinks they wanted. Even the Volstead amendment didn't criminalize use or possession.

With the repeal, those used to the easy money, having acquired money and therefore power, set about to have introduced new laws which would recreate the money tree. This time they were able, by claiming that the drugs represented a "health and safety" problem, to get passed and approved by the court laws outlawing a variety of plant derived drugs from cannabis to coca and opiates. The inclusion of cannabis may have been the desire of certain industrialists to limit the competition hemp fibers presented to the emerging synthetic fiber industry. Funny thing the court actually said that a tax stamp created with the express intent of never being issued, therefore a defacto prohibition was constitutional! Harmless and joyful cannabis, the wonderful plant which has adapted itself so completely to the service of man, was depicted as a Killer of Youth, Creater of Madness, with all the power of a popular press in the full vigor of its prime. Whether Hearst was paid off to do this, or just thought that anything sensational enough to sell newspapers was ok, will probably never be known.

Today we are seeing a more moderate approach to the hemp matter. People are rediscovering all the uses to which this plant can be put, from making paint to paper. Still there is a weird aversion to the medicinal and recreational values so celebrated throughout history until recent times. "Drug free" strains are touted for the production of fiber and oilseed. What a load of nonsense, as if the conventional recreational drugs were safe and desirable? Even the opiates wouldn't be much of a problem if they weren't illegal, forcing a myriad of eager dealers into the streets for the money for nothing of the black market created by the laws.

Society should never intentionally create a black market. All black markets are a danger to the community due to the lack of controls and the high delivery fees that they force on the delivery system. Likewise there is a huge loss in revenue to the normal flow of commerce through the community. The amounts of money available leads to the inevitable corruption of all who attempt to interfere in the flow of goods in this black market. Black markets made fortunes to the entrepreneurs of the world wars. Tires, fuel and meat made fortunes for those who could divert supplies to their clients. Anything can be a black market. The only thing required is scarcity, or illegality, and a demand for the items.

The use of psychedelics as a part of the religious experience has forced literally hundreds of thousands of otherwise law abiding people into the black market for their supplies. Due to the dangers and costs many have had to turn to dealing to gain access. Within a community which is devoted to the ingestion of these sacred substances there are many who feel that it is a noble calling to be the source for their friends and fellow worshippers. Hold on, some may say, what about those who are merely thrill seekers? Well, maybe the first time a person uses LSD or the other entheogens, they may be motivated by such a motive. The nature of the experience is that of a profound union with the universal mind. This takes place over time, at first things happen one way, then they change with further trips.

The term, "War on Drugs" is a non sequitur. There cannot be a war on anything except people. The question is, why does the government want to wage a war against its own people? The simple principle of harm reduction dictates that all drugs should cease to be illegal. Very few people would become junkies without someone on the street corner offering it to them, with the added attraction to the young of defying authority. Likewise the widespread belief that advertising is a form of speech which should be protected, and therefore unregulated, is wrong. Advertising is a form of coercive behavior, directed at producing a response without regard to the real merits involved, as long as there is a profitable result for the advertiser. This has nothing to do with the value to the individual or to the community. Tobacco is an excellent example. Joe Camel has been implicated in the early commencement of tobacco use by children. Why advertise tobacco? Any one would not have any trouble knowing about the stuff as long as it was available. No coercion can be intelligently defended.

As well, what about the ads "You can win a million" promulgated by the usually government run lottos? Anyone with any knowledge of gambling knows that the odds against winning are around 50 million to one. You are far more likely to be struck by lightning, or even a meteorite than to pick the winner in a lotto. But the ads imply that it's easy...not one word about the odds. Somebody has to win, I hear it said, but the roll over to super jackpots should put paid to that one. Even so, it's the people least likely to afford it that wind up pouring their money into it in the vain hope of being the lucky one. I don't think such things should be outlawed, people want to gamble, take drugs, smoke tobacco and/or pot, and they should not have these activities criminalized. But neither should they be the subject of advertising.

The US Constitution directs the government to "provide for the general welfare" illegality of drugs creates a health and welfare crisis of immense dimensions. Unknown dosages, unknown composition, contamination both chemical and biological. Death and disease are the direct result of the laws, not the use of various drugs. So far as I know the Supreme Court has never ruled as to whether the laws on drugs violate the powers given to congress. Judging on the basis of the Volstead Act, it would appear that they should throw the lot out. But there is no mechanism whereby a case may be forced to the attention of the court. Perhaps in the current climate of illogic, where a kid who introduces a couple of people he knew, one who grew, and one who sold marijuana, can be given life in prison, although he didn't see the weed nor share in any monies, the electorate might pass an amendment to the constitution to continue the insanity.
Steve Grossman

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Sep 11, 2010 - 05:04pm PT
I was rooting through some stuff and came across this sweet old sticker.

survival

Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
Sep 11, 2010 - 05:13pm PT
Warren wants to join the thread, because he played That's What Love Will Make You Do, and The Other One a few nights ago for me!




Still miss Jerry every day.

Take up your China Doll. It's only fractured, just a little nervous from the fall.
Kalimon

Trad climber
Ridgway, CO
Sep 11, 2010 - 08:15pm PT
Now I don't know but I been told
it's hard to run with the weight of gold
Other hand I heard it said
it's just as hard with the weight of lead

Who can deny? Who can deny?
it's not just a change in style
One step done and another begun
in I wonder how many miles?
Kalimon

Trad climber
Ridgway, CO
Sep 11, 2010 - 09:26pm PT
Cool link rrider . . . that guy is the real deal.


Now I don't know but I been told
in the heat of the sun a man died of cold
Do we keep on coming or stand and wait
with the sun so dark and the hour so late?

You can't overlook the lack Jack
of any other highway to ride
It's got no signs or dividing lines
and very few rules to guide


I always liked the symbolism in New Speedway Boogie; as with most Grateful Dead lyrics there are numerous angles, nuances and facets that lend themselves to many applications and interpretations. The life drama is constantly being played out aurally, physically, suggestively and visually. This is part of the strong allure and mysticism of the music.

Coincidence . ? . I think not!
Kalimon

Trad climber
Ridgway, CO
Sep 11, 2010 - 09:29pm PT
Now I don't know but I been told
in the heat of the sun a man died of cold
Do we keep on coming or stand and wait
with the sun so dark and the hour so late?

You can't overlook the lack Jack
of any other highway to ride
It's got no signs or dividing lines
and very few rules to guide

One way or another
this darkness got to give . . .
survival

Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
Sep 11, 2010 - 09:50pm PT
Ignore his singing maybe.

Nahhh, all the real heads grew to love that frail rail Jerry rode.
And he rode it as well as anyone.

Elvis Costello said something like "People put him down for his singing, but he had the perfect voice for those songs and those stories."

Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Sep 11, 2010 - 09:58pm PT
Very well put, Survival!


Was it thunder? Lightning? Or, other? That got
him?
survival

Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
Sep 11, 2010 - 10:14pm PT
Example:
To Lay Me Down
Not the most popular Dead tune, but he put his soul in it.
I wish I could find a link to the original studio version, because if you listen close, the notes that he hit in the last few measures were really beautiful.

But this version will do, it's a good one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcvng9u7REE
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Sep 11, 2010 - 10:29pm PT
Quintessential Dead, survival.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Sep 24, 2010 - 04:32pm PT
The best 34 seconds of Garcia on YouTube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrYhRQZFWZQ








[It's too bad, there used to be the follow-up clip where Jerry did tell a joke, but I can't seem to find it just now.]
cowpoke

climber
Sep 24, 2010 - 05:28pm PT
Pate, is that clip from the festival express footage?

there is a fabulous scene in that film where jerry and janice et al. are together on the train jammin' and jerry says something beautiful and kind to janice

...or that's my memory...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Festival_Express

edit: here is the clip I was remembering...the jerry line of beauty to janice is at about 4:06 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_dkavLVcN0
drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 28, 2010 - 03:48pm PT
Check my pulse
it don't change!

Like a song that's born
to soar the sky.

The omnipotent Grateful Dead.
Mick K

climber
Northern Sierra
Sep 28, 2010 - 04:54pm PT
Anyone else at Red Rocks CO this weekend? The boys were goin' off! Don't miss the Ryder, Terrapin, Dark Star, Unbroken Chain and Other one in the second set.

http://www.archive.org/details/Furthur2010-09-25.C-463

tuning
Help On the Way >
Slipknot >
Franklin's Tower
Alabama Getaway
Sittin' On Top Of the World >
High On A Mountain >
Viola Lee Blues >
Bertha >
Viola Lee Blues >
Cumberland Blues >
Viola Lee Blues

tuning
Mountain Song >
I Know You Rider >
Terrapin Suite >
The Eleven >
Unbroken Chain >
Dark Star >
Stella Blue >
The Other One

donor rap
One More Saturday Night
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Sep 28, 2010 - 05:18pm PT
Very cool buckle Pate ...
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Sep 28, 2010 - 05:21pm PT
Comin' up on
"six hundred pounds of sin"....
TwistedCrank

climber
Ideeho-dee-do-dah-day boom-chicka-boom-chicka-boom
Sep 28, 2010 - 05:23pm PT
I thought Brett was pretty lame. Very lame actually.

You don't know sh!t about the Dead until you've heard Keith lead Jerry into the deep and dark where Jerry could really do his thing.

Having Vince show up was a welcome relief, especially after he went through the intership with Bruce.

But Brett? NF way. Tinkle tinkle tinkle went the plastic piano. Whah whah whah went the Hammond organism. 12 years of the Dead -- pfft. Toast. A sonic wasteland struggling to uphold a vague tradition.

All my boards end in February 1979. The Vince RTs have some of the goods but Vince AUDs are pretty lame, what with all the faux tripping going on.
drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 28, 2010 - 05:50pm PT
To each his own...
Didn't much care for Vince myself.
And Keith, well he brought along Donna.
Each player in the "hotseat" had his ups and downs.

Too bad Vince went all fatal attraction on the band after Jerry died, and then the way he chose to leave the planet...truly horrific.

One of my favorite 'mini eras' was in 73 when Donna was out prego and Mickey was gone.
Pretty much a stripped down, well tuned 5 piece.
Check the Garden shows.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Sep 28, 2010 - 05:56pm PT
I believe there was a brief period of time when the dead actually played as a quartet.

And dude, sorry to hear your distaste for Brent. I personally loved his playing. Too bad you have the need to dis. And yes, I was there for all of the Keith years ...
TwistedCrank

climber
Ideeho-dee-do-dah-day boom-chicka-boom-chicka-boom
Sep 28, 2010 - 06:06pm PT
Yeah, the Vince exit was pretty sorry.

Brett could get to some high places but it came at the expense of some weak first set material and overwrought 2nd set closers. Bobby's choice of new material during that time was pretty questionable as well. When I cycle through Brett-years DPs, RTs and vault releases I'm always feeling the "this is good but not great", and when they were great, they were beyond.

For my money (and many others) they were firing on all cylinders as a big lineup in May 1977. All 7 of them. Even Donna fit in so nicely on numerous outings during that month.

The turn-on-a-dime lineup in 73 and 74 was pretty impressive, especially considering how consistanly huge they went and how clean the sound was.

There was never a deadicated lineup of 4, but there was some pretty incredible material that came out when it was only the core of four on stage. 71 and maybe 73 come to mind.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Sep 28, 2010 - 07:30pm PT
I personally love the years when Garcia played with a clean sound. That ol' Travis Bean--love it! Later, he started to put a lot of effects into the loop, perhaps he could be "messier" that way.

And yeah, one month in '77...or a couple of runs here, or there. Shucks, we all have our favorites.

I'll have to dig through some stuff, but I believe there were a few shows where Pig wasn't feeling so well and Mickey was absent ... Still, when they were the quintet, they Blasted! Certainly some of my favorite stuff.

I put in the latest Road Trips today (from '80). So far it's been a rough listen. & the DP with Vince? woah.
drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 28, 2010 - 09:42pm PT
Check out Duke University with the Bean~ whoa!

Gems in every era. Some of the mid 80's trainwrecks are awesome. Jer's voice toasted from chaisin' the dragon, Bobby skreechin cuz of the painful mammaltoe, crazy setlists...
example: Richmond 85 second set~ it's a DP. Unreal.



it's breNt dammit. BRENT.
N.
...and I dug Brent. Jerry liked him too, you could see it. He added energy, a killer voice, songwriting. Loved that guy. Saw his last show in fact.
I was skateboarding down the street in Milwaukee in full deadhed regalia, after the last show of the tour. Someone shouted from a passing car that a member of the Dead had died. Bummer day.
Luckily I made it home with more money than I left with! Left a few braincells along the way though! Woohoo! Good times.

K man rocks!!!
Kalimon

Trad climber
Ridgway, CO
Sep 28, 2010 - 09:59pm PT
Brent brought a whole 'nother dynamic to the band, playing and singing with all his heart and soul . . . "Hey there little red rooster, well you ain't sh#t to me . . . while you're away, I'll take care of your hen house . . . I'm just bein' neighborly"!
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Oct 1, 2010 - 06:21pm PT
a treasure.
drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 3, 2010 - 01:43pm PT
Put this in your pipe and smoke it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBUF3UoOvoI
TwistedCrank

climber
Ideeho-dee-do-dah-day boom-chicka-boom-chicka-boom
Oct 3, 2010 - 02:06pm PT
Um. Distill it down to its purest essence and suddenly it's so much easier.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHRRjt2lU_4&feature=related
drljefe

climber
Old Pueblo, AZ
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 3, 2010 - 02:54pm PT
Tiger wins!!!!
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Oct 7, 2010 - 02:01pm PT
About the GD archives:

http://tinyurl.com/24lje6f
cintune

climber
the Moon and Antarctica
Oct 12, 2010 - 11:36am PT
http://io9.com/5661561/exploding-dark-stars-could-be-the-answer-to-the-universes-accounting-problem

Dark stars are something of a misnomer - unlike dark matter particles, they would be visible and actually quite bright because they would still mostly be made of regular matter. In fact, the dark stars would have been the brightest bodies in the young universe, as the constant annihilation of dark matter particles would release massive amounts of energy. The star would burn through its dark matter nucleus very quickly, and then a new nucleus of normal matter would form, starting up the more familiar nuclear fusion process inside the star. It's possible these former dark matter stars are still around in the modern universe.
yosguns

climber
Durham, NC
Nov 11, 2010 - 12:31am PT
We used to play for silver, now we play for life.
pocoloco1

Social climber
The Chihuahua Desert
Nov 18, 2010 - 12:01am PT
http://www.nodepression.com/video/the-grateful-dead-scarlet
drljefe

climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 18, 2010 - 08:45am PT
Everybodies braggin and
drinkin that wine
I can tell the queen of diamonds
by the way she shines.
Come to daddy
on the inside straight
and I got no chance
of losing
this time.
Mick K

climber
Northern Sierra
Nov 18, 2010 - 12:29pm PT

Try a little of this. First hit is free....

http://www.archive.org/details/furthur2010-11-14.AKGmix.toaste.flac16
yosguns

climber
Durham, NC
Dec 12, 2010 - 01:09am PT
Good to know you got shoes to wear when you find the floor...why hold out for more?

http://soundcloud.com/raymondkurzeka/here-comes-sunshine
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Dec 17, 2010 - 06:45pm PT
And now for a little treat.

Lost for ages, stuck between the pages of an old songbook, I found this old print out of Hunters explains Franklin's Tower.

From the top of the printout, you'll see that this is Hunter's response to an essay that claims GD lyrics are meaningless.

It's a thick read, but well worth a Dead Head's time.


Oh, when the Net was young:





drljefe

climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 27, 2010 - 05:44pm PT
nice find K-Man. Classic stuff.

Rockin' K
Mick K

climber
Northern Sierra
Dec 27, 2010 - 06:47pm PT
Don't shake the tree when the fruit ain't ripe
Norwegian

Trad climber
Placerville, California
Dec 27, 2010 - 09:06pm PT
three trees stood astride.
the winds they blew;
the gales were borne.

the three trees remained and swayed while the wind-song played.
and they interjected their's input into an understanding.

as i stood in the wee forest of my curiosities, rutted and de-paved my path thru became.
Kalimon

Trad climber
Ridgway, CO
Dec 27, 2010 - 10:14pm PT
"Doin' That Rag"
Words by Robert Hunter; music by Jerry Garcia
Copyright Ice Nine Publishing; used by permission

Sitting in Mangrove Valley chasing lightbeams
Everything wanders from baby to Z
Baby, baby, pretty, young on Tuesday
Old like a rum drinking demon at tea

Baby, baby, tell me what's the matter
Why, why tell me, what's your why now?
Tell me why will you never come home?
Tell me what's your reason if you got a good one

Everywhere I go
The people all know
Everyone's doin' that rag

Take my line go fishing for a Tuesday
Maybe take my supper, eat it down by the sea
Gave my baby twenty, forty good reasons
Couldn't find any better ones in the morning at three

Rain gonna come but the rain gonna go, you know
Stepping off sharply from the rank and file
Awful cold and dark like a dungeon
Maybe get a little bit darker 'fore the day

Hipsters, tripsters,
real cool chicks, sir,
everyone's doin' that rag

You needn't gild the lily, offer jewels to the sunset
No one is watching or standing in your shoes
Wash your lonely feet in the river in the morning
Everything promised is delivered to you

Don't neglect to pick up what your share is
All the winter birds are winging home now
Hey Love, go and look around you
Nothing out there you haven't seen before now

But you can wade in the water
and never get wet
if you keep on doin' that rag

One eyed jacks and the deuces are wild
The aces are crawling up and down your sleeve
Come back here, Baby Louise,
and tell me the name
of the game that you play

Is it all fall down?
Is it all go under?
Is it all fall down, down, down
Is it all go under?

Everywhere I go
the people all know
everybody's doin' that rag
drljefe

climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 27, 2010 - 10:42pm PT
Fitting selection, kalimon.
Thanks bro, needed that.

Like a hjghway sign
leaving no doubt.
Kalimon

Trad climber
Ridgway, CO
Dec 27, 2010 - 11:00pm PT
Yeah Jefe! What a killer song . . . awesome lyrics and the goofy circus like, yet extremely complex sound the boys wove around them. Everything promised is delivered to you!

I really love Pate's pedal steel Garcia photos. Whew! Everyone's doin' that rag . . .
pocoloco1

Social climber
The Chihuahua Desert
Jan 2, 2011 - 12:11am PT
http://www.nodepression.com/video/grateful-dead-beat-on-down
pocoloco1

Social climber
The Chihuahua Desert
Jan 13, 2011 - 08:29pm PT
http://www.nodepression.com/video/grateful-dead
yosguns

climber
Durham, NC
Jan 13, 2011 - 09:28pm PT
k-man, thanks for the post. Good stuff.
Kalimon

Trad climber
Ridgway, CO
Jan 13, 2011 - 11:15pm PT
Thanks pocoloco 1, nice video link. What a treasure to see vintage footage with high quality sound . . . Neil Young at Massey Hall too!

Peace.
cintune

climber
the Moon and Antarctica
Feb 1, 2011 - 09:41pm PT
http://listen.grooveshark.com/#/search/song?q=jazz%20is%20dead
pocoloco1

Social climber
The Chihuahua Desert
Feb 1, 2011 - 10:35pm PT
http://www.nodepression.com/video/the-grateful-dead-chinatown
Kalimon

Trad climber
Ridgway, CO
Feb 5, 2011 - 04:57pm PT
PigPen BUMP!
pocoloco1

Social climber
The Chihuahua Desert
Feb 5, 2011 - 05:12pm PT
I agree Kalimon

http://www.nodepression.com/video/grateful-dead-it-hurts-me-too
Kalimon

Trad climber
Ridgway, CO
Feb 5, 2011 - 05:24pm PT
Classic pocololo 1 . . . the elemental Dead: Billy, Bobby, Jerry, Keith, Phil and Ron.

GUD stuff indeed!
drljefe

climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 14, 2011 - 03:10pm PT
The weather down here, so fine...
pocoloco1

Social climber
The Chihuahua Desert
Feb 20, 2011 - 10:20pm PT
http://www.nodepression.com/video/the-grateful-dead-ripple
drljefe

climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 20, 2011 - 11:03pm PT
KW-
Nice.
drljefe

climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 26, 2011 - 10:19am PT
Ooh hoo, where's the dog star?
Kalimon

Trad climber
Ridgway, CO
Feb 26, 2011 - 11:18am PT
Drifting and dreaming . . .
can't say

Social climber
Pasadena CA
Feb 26, 2011 - 12:09pm PT
I saw the Dead and the New Riders of the Purple Sage at Pauley Pavilion in 72. The girl I went with loved the Dead so much, she found a way to get back stage. Being the passionate, frisky girl she was, somehow an incident happened in the bathroom that got the band in some trouble with UCLA, I never knew until just recently that it became a rather infamous incident in the bands history.
drljefe

climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 26, 2011 - 01:11pm PT
Hey k-man
34 yrs ago tonight at the Swing Auditorium...
Care to share your memories on this show, famous for the debut of Terrapin Station and Estimated Prophet?
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Feb 26, 2011 - 03:18pm PT
@Can't Say, I heard about that Poly Pavilion escapade, funny. A good friend of mine was in the front center for that show. I'm not sure it was good for him. {wink}

I just listened to the first disc of Dick's Pix #26, 4/26/69. This is a couple of months after the wonderful (Live/Dead) Filmore West shows. Truly the Dead showing off their turn-on-a-dime charms, many cool song changes--check this out if you can. [The second set isn't quite so hot, seems the Electric Theater was juicing the band a bit.]


And...

Hooray!! for the Swing!! Whoa, that long ago, eh? Jeeze...

The place was pretty small. My cousin and a couple of his friends were visiting us from Chile and we all got tix. I think that was actually my first "enhanced" show, I remember feeling pretty good. And my cousin? What can I say, they were no innocents. But they were unprepared for what took place.

I'd followed the Dead pretty tight, and knew their song lists. So when they opened with Lady with a Fan, whoa, the hole place seemed to lift up off the ground a bit. Lesh's base line just sounded so unusual, unlike anything we'd heard before. And the inter-twining of the guitars, the magic was complete. Garcia was so excited about his new tune, and I'd never seen it before (or since), but he actually was doing Townsend-style windmills with his picking hand. Garcia: how I like to remember him, black hair, black beard.

There were these two chicanos right next to me. We were dead center, about 5 or 6 folks back from the stage. These chicanos, they were stoned to the gills, on reds was my guess. Anyway, the guy right next to me would shout in between the songs "Hey Garcia!" (imagine Cheech's accent, but toasted on reds), "Garcia, play one for my sister. Hey Garcia." He wouldn't stop. I had a hard time not laughing, but I found it pretty funny.

When they broke out Estimated Prophet, I literally thought the room was spinning, slowly. Now that is one F'ed up bass line!, and Wier's guitar.

My oh my, my poor cousin.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Feb 28, 2011 - 12:38pm PT
My buddy raves about a flick he once saw titled Sunshine Daydream, it documents a '72 show set in Oregon. Odd, there's just not that many films of earlier GD shows. For some reason this film was never officially released (copyrights?).

Anyway, he told me you could find segments of the film on YouTube. Here's the China Cat Sunflower.

Wow, what a time, what a place. I love the early days when Garcia played with a clean, Strat sound... Here, a Sunburst Stratocaster, never seen that one before.

Ah... Jack Straw

And the Beautiful Dark Star
drljefe

climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 28, 2011 - 01:26pm PT
K man-
I have SSDD. I'll dig it up and burn it.
It is awrsome.
drljefe

climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 12, 2011 - 10:31am PT
Even a blind man knows when the sun is shining
drljefe

climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 12, 2011 - 10:43am PT
Fitting pate got post666.
Kalimon

Trad climber
Ridgway, CO
Mar 20, 2011 - 02:06pm PT
Well everybody's dancing in a ring around the sun . . .
nobody's finished, we ain't even begun.
So take off your shoes child, and take off your hat . . .
try on your wings and find out where it's at.
drljefe

climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 21, 2011 - 12:42am PT
Just did 70 minutes of deadaerobics
to
Dane County 78
Estimated Eyes Playin Wheel Playin
Johnny B Goode


Hey Now!
Leggs

Sport climber
El Presidio, Tucson
Mar 21, 2011 - 01:04am PT
^^We're gonna have to make that a regular "thing" at home...my kind of workout..
JerryGarcia

Trad climber
East Coast dreaming of the West Coast
Mar 21, 2011 - 02:22am PT
Just in case no one has said it before archive.org has free shows for download.
drljefe

climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 21, 2011 - 09:34am PT
677 posts and Garcia finally chimes in!!!
Brandon-

climber
Done With Tobacco
Mar 21, 2011 - 10:06am PT
677 posts and Garcia finally chimes in!!!

6/77 was a good time to be Jerry.
drljefe

climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 21, 2011 - 10:14am PT
I think you may be on to something brandon. . .
TwistedCrank

climber
Ideeho-dee-do-dah-day boom-chicka-boom-chicka-boom
Mar 21, 2011 - 11:15am PT
07-18-76 on the drive to work today. A royal sequence of:

Lazy Lightning> Supplication> Let It Grow> Drums> Let It Grow> Wharf Rat> Drums> Other One> St. Stephen> NFA> St. Stephen> Wheel> Other One> Stella Blue

My favorite Donna flub ever is on the first line of St Stephen.


Haven't listened to that one for a while.
Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
Mar 21, 2011 - 11:27am PT
Cape Cod '79, best Phil bomb ever on the run into Other One. Careful with your speakers, neighbors might think an earthquake is going off.