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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 28, 2011 - 09:03pm PT
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Ah Gene I am sorry. Keep strong.
The memory of the pain is a scar.
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SCseagoat
Trad climber
Santa Cruz
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Mar 28, 2011 - 09:16pm PT
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Sorry Gene...I was on Lovenox and warfarin during my chemo. My post chemo scan showed no clots (and even better no cancer) so I am off thinners. I hope all goes well with your clot therapy. The whole issue of clots in healthy people (and many very healthy people get them) has always astounded me. You would think healthy people wouldn't be prone to them. When I have been on long flights the airlines have always been very accommodating when I ask for priority boarding to get an aisle seat so I can get up and walk the aisles on a regular basis. We also stop more on our long car trips rather than "balls to the wall lets just get there. Susan
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Brokedownclimber
Trad climber
Douglas, WY
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Mar 28, 2011 - 09:54pm PT
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Holy Schitt, Phil!
I had to take Coumadin (Warfarin; rat poison) for almost 5 months last year after my tumble in Eldo, due to blood clots in my lungs immediately afterwards. The anticoagulation treatments are nothing to scoff at, or laugh about. You scratch a mosquito bite and bleed for half an hour; get banged too hard and bleed internally or overdo the medications before they are properly regulated, and you'll be taking a long dirt nap. I nearly croaked last May 8th from internal bleeding, and had to receive 2 units of blood and 6 of plasma to compensate the internal bleeding. That was after they removed 3 liters of fluid from my chest cavity!
So...be damned careful, my friend! Take all the meds they give you and get regular tests on your coagulation times. Really sorry to hear this, as I was hoping we could climb something together this Spring/Summer. Plan on at least 6 months of "down time." Doesn't matter how you were as a younger person, dirt bagger or not...that schitt can kill you, so TAKE CARE!!
Rodger
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fresh pow
Boulder climber
phoenix
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Mar 29, 2011 - 12:40am PT
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I am@a prehospital provider and would like to comment on your situation but I think HighDesertDJ summoned it up the best so far. Walk and stretch.
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 29, 2011 - 01:27am PT
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SCseagoat, glad to hear you are doing so well.
Holy Schitzizzle Rodger that sounds horrible. Glad you are well as well.
I am also glad I am through it and off the thinners.
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stilltrying
Trad climber
washington indiana
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Mar 29, 2011 - 09:03am PT
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I have never had DVT but lots of other serious issues. I have been on Coumadin for over a decade. While it needs to be monitored and can cause problems I would not let it stop me from climbing or mtb biking etc. I have decked from 40 feet and although black and blue I had no internal bleeding etc. Keeping it in the proper range is necessary. The only time it really caused me a problem I was in the hospital and had to have platelets transfused as my blood was so thin it would not clot at all. This was caused in my opinion by a drug the cardiac surgeon insisted I take called Amiodorone (sp ?) Anyway as they were putting the bag of plateletes in me I called my EP and told him I refuse to take that drug any longer. Anyway be prudent but it is far from a game stopper. Wear a helmet, don't take foolish chances on lead and Climb On.
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Brokedownclimber
Trad climber
Douglas, WY
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Mar 29, 2011 - 10:26am PT
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Wear a helmet...
I was still wearing my BD Half Dome when I took my spill, and I'm alive today, 'cause I was still wearing it!! Other than simple topropes now, i'll never again climb w/o one. Even so...i was knocked out for about half an hour before I regained consciousness. Then they started asking me questions: what's your name/ Do you know where you are? Do you remember what you were doing? etc., etc.
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SteveW
Trad climber
The state of confusion
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Mar 29, 2011 - 09:58pm PT
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Philo
You kneed to dilute that blood with more cervesa!!!!!!
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Brokedownclimber
Trad climber
Douglas, WY
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Mar 30, 2011 - 12:13am PT
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Steve-
Absolutely!
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 30, 2011 - 03:15am PT
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Well SteveDub, I'd drink a beer with you anytime.
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Brokedownclimber
Trad climber
Douglas, WY
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Bumping this thread for another S-T climber recently diagnosed with DVT.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Good bump, Rodger. The number of old farts is increasing and we all share potential as we age for acquiring the same set of problems.
What is amazing is the number of lifelong healthy folks who suddenly develop conditions which are very serious...DVT among them, but also Congestive Heart Failure.
The man who says he's my doctor (he's really a paid pusher of pills) called what I have not DVT, but Venous Stasis.
The definition:
Venous stasis is a risk factor for forming blood clots in veins (venous thrombosis), as with the deep veins of the legs (deep vein thrombosis or DVT). Causes of venous stasis include long periods of immobility that can be encountered from driving, flying, bed rest/hospitalization, or having an orthopedic cast.
And here I sit at the table lots of the day typing and browsing! I do wear support hose now, and it has helped maintain the SIZE of my lower legs but they are a stoned bitch to get on. It's an inheritable thing, too...my sainted mom had to wear these and it's only recently that I've become comfortable sleeping with my legs elevated.
I hate the process of using Coumadin, what with the blood testing (not a big deal if one has no transportation woes, but always a Pain Back There).
I don't know of any way to avoid the experience, either. I think one is susceptible to these heinous venous problems through heredity.
I recall bivouacking under the Salathe headwall (on the Block) and having my legs' circulation cut down sharply by dangling them for the night...not a good idea! Sleep flat out, if you can on bivvy.
Because of that, I developed phlebitis (the Richard Nixon disease) which showed up a day after I'd gotten home from the climb. I had to take something to thin my blood, but don't remember what the doc prescribed. I was couch-bound for two days. Bloated, too.
My medical history includes TWO lung clots and one in the heart. I'm really on "borrowed time." They used to list Congestive Heart Failure under "cause of death" much more frequently than today. Today, it's so controllable, but only with testing of blood.
I'm skeptical of a new pharmaceutical being advertised on TV which claims to be able to help with no blood testing, but still, I wish my care provider would look into it, but it's the V.A., the glacier of the medical world when it comes to change and getting things done.
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jeff constine
Trad climber
Ao Namao
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LOL LOCKER DUDE!! ^^^, even a negative needs positive support. I wish you the best P-low. Heal up, i don't wish this kinda stuff on anyone's health list.
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Brokedownclimber
Trad climber
Douglas, WY
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My friend is now taking Coumadin as well as the shots acting as clot breakers. I'm wondering how long for Coumadin these days? I had to take it for a minimum of 3 months and no longer as my thrombosis was traumatically initiated.
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Brokedownclimber
Trad climber
Douglas, WY
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The medicos called me back to take a CAT scan for blood clots in my lungs 4 days after the accident; yes there were clots and I received the standard treatment with Coumadin. They overprescribed me and dam near killed me. See a much earlier post on this thread for the gruesome details.
Hope to see you and climb together this coming Thanksgiving, if my friend is OK.
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Lanthade
climber
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DVT killed my first wife. Helluva way for a 25 year old to grow up. So if you've got one take it deadly serious.
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