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chossyslab

climber
Topic Author's Original Post - Jun 2, 2009 - 01:21pm PT
In order to escape impending doom my climbing partner and I left about half a rack of cams and a rope in the dihedral/face/crack system immediately to the right of the Milktoast Chimney in the Red Baron Tower area.

If you are so inclined to go up there and get them they are all yours HOWEVER, if you are kind enough to give them back I would be forever grateful.

I can ID the cams left at every rap station and ID their location if need be

Thanks and stay safe out there!

Call or Email Dan @ (707)365-2928 or hucksquawATaolDOTcom
Chinchen

climber
Living on the road
Jun 2, 2009 - 02:41pm PT
Doh!
Clint Cummins

Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
Jun 2, 2009 - 02:44pm PT
Speaking of booty in that general area, did anyone retrieve Victor's rack from his late night rappel descent of the South Face of Lone Pine Peak?
NotIt

Trad climber
Malaga Cove
Jun 2, 2009 - 02:57pm PT
I fer one had a bunch of gear returned to me after we had to effect a self-rescue (partner injured by major rockfall) at a pretty remote formation in Colorado - all after posting nicely on a forum such as this...

Good luck, but that's all it will be: luck.

Mike Bolte

Trad climber
Planet Earth
Jun 2, 2009 - 02:59pm PT
You know, if i found some gear on a climb and knew who it belonged to, I'd never consider keeping it or accepting a reward for returning it.
nature

climber
Tucson, AZ
Jun 2, 2009 - 03:56pm PT
Mike Bolte - same where... well.... I'd *hope* they offered a six pack. I mean think about all that extra weight you gotta carry :-).
mongrel

Trad climber
Truckee, CA
Jun 2, 2009 - 04:03pm PT
As I rule I return booty or the like, but somebody dropped a nice cam on us once and I had to alert the owner that if it had hit me, it was mine. We shared the laugh about it but he agreed that was fair.
Edge

Trad climber
New Durham, NH
Jun 2, 2009 - 04:16pm PT
I was at the bottom of Glacier Point Apron once right after a "guide" lowered his 12 year old client and rapped off the route. The 12 year old had left an original rigid friend (this was about 1983) on the route, and the guide was about to walk away.

I soloed up, unstuck the piece, and downclimbed, but the guide refused to take the cam back. I gave it to his client.
chossyslab

climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 2, 2009 - 04:31pm PT
Thanks everyone. And I dont have much to give but I would definately do a sixer of your favorite beer.

Heres to hope and luck!
Barbarian

Trad climber
slowly dying in the OC
Jun 2, 2009 - 05:50pm PT
Best of luck to ya....there are a fair number of folks that that would return gear if they know who it belonged to...

...and a fair number who still consider it booty.

(I'll side with the the former.)
Mike Bolte

Trad climber
Planet Earth
Jun 2, 2009 - 07:47pm PT
OK - I'd accept the beer
paul roehl

Boulder climber
california
Jun 2, 2009 - 09:35pm PT
I once found a whole rack of gear at the top of the Nutcracker. It was left by the party ahead of us one of whom I'd had a brief conversation with at the start of the last pitch.
In that conversation I had mentioned something about where I worked. Man, there must've been 500. $ worth of stuff on that rack all brand new. By the time we got back down to the base of the climb that party was gone.

A couple of weeks later my boss received a letter at work from the guy asking if there was any body there who climbed and who might've seen his stuff. I sent it all to him. It honestly felt really good to do that. It was just the right thing to do.

He sent me a calendar (with climbing pics) as a reward.
tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Jun 2, 2009 - 11:08pm PT
when I first started climbing back in the early eightys I was taught the booty game. It was supposed to be fun and honorable. the rules went something like this.

#1 Any gear that you lose due to incompetence, getting spanked, fear, lack of skill , retrete, etc. becomes booty the moment that you give up attempts to recover said gear. The exception would be if you let it be known that were returning the next day at first light to resume recovery attempt. Once you give up on recovery attempts it is in fact BOOTY;)

#2 Gear left in the parking lot is lost and found, NOT booty.

3# Any gear left in the process of a rescue is NOT booty and shall be returned to the rightfull owners or next of kin.

#4 Finders of booty may offer to return booty to the spanked party but you will lose face if you accept the offer.

#5 it is extremly poor form to ask for lost booty to be returned to you. If the finders offer and you refuse the offer and they offer again then you may acept the return of the booty but you will still lose face and owe them a debt of honor. This debt may be eased but not completly erased by a gift of beer. (You and they will know that you are their bitch) It is best to suck it up and just say, hey, thanks for offering but you guys earned it.

The booty game is supposed to be fun and a way for strong poor climbers to build their rack at the expense of rich weak climbers. As soon as someone gets hurt it is not fun anymore so everyone should pitch in, help out and try to get everyones gear back at the end of the day.
The best form is to solo up to snag the booty gear or lead up but rapping in is acceptable provideing that all recovery attemts by the loseing party have been exausted.

I am sure that its different by region but that is how we felt about booty in the north east.

chossyslab

climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 4, 2009 - 01:20am PT
bump.

hope you all dont mind but im gonna be bumping this thing for a couple weeks...
Clint Cummins

Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
Jun 4, 2009 - 02:32am PT
Are you saying that you cannot get back there for a couple of weeks?
chossyslab

climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 4, 2009 - 02:34am PT
im not even sure ill get back there even after that. just hoping someone whos headed up there will see this during that time
Clint Cummins

Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
Jun 4, 2009 - 02:41am PT
Well I suppose if these thunderstorms don't settle down, going back there might work anyway. Are you going to climb on half a rack in the meantime, or do you have a "B" rack?
Reilly

Mountain climber
Monrovia, CA
Jun 4, 2009 - 12:00pm PT
BITD I was guerilla-guiding a party up a lesser-frequented route on Mt Reindeer. We came across a tent poking out of the snow. This was very early spring and I was perplexed until I recalled that a party had been 'lanched on a nearby route during the winter. As both had been killed and were from Europe (meaning no local NOK) I declared the site a SuperFund Clean-up Site and Bootylicious. As this was their basecamp and not the disaster scene I also decided that it was immune from karmic (sp?) repercussions. Was I wrong? Is this why my life has been so fraught with travails lo these many years?
Reilly

Mountain climber
Monrovia, CA
Jun 4, 2009 - 12:26pm PT
I guess if your booty is 200 years old it isn't yours necessarily expecially if lawyers are involved...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090604/ap_on_re_us/us_shipwreck_treasure
tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Jun 4, 2009 - 04:56pm PT
Tough call there. I do suppose it depends on what kind of gear it was. Though i imagin a widow might not want the ice ax from a sport that killed her hubby I would think that daddys ice ax would be pretty darn important to a little boy...
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