Latok I - A Climb Without a Summit

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neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Nov 29, 2009 - 10:13am PT
hey there say, all... so much to read and learn here... not sure if i saw this a ways back... but i have so much to write, as to my stories, that i can't always read everything, so i have to "dip in and soak up a bit" and then travel on...

very nice stuff to learn here on ol' supertopo though...

thanks so much... seems steve grossman has a lot of great stuff to bump-up here this thanksgiving weekend...

thanks for all the share, you guys... :)


*say, not meaning to neglect others... lots of other nice post, too... and trips... i just can't get to them all, this is kind of an odd season for me... keep posting, folks, even if only a few readers show up---eventually, we find all these treasures.... >:D<
pc

climber
East of Seattle
Nov 29, 2009 - 10:54am PT
Fantastic! What an inspring story. Can't even begin to fathom the suffering though. Nice to have friends in high places.
pc
stich

Trad climber
Colorado Springs, Colorado
Nov 29, 2009 - 11:11am PT
If you were the four Muskateers, which of you was Oliver Reed? Ha.

Bump to keep this up top.
d-know

Trad climber
electric lady land
Nov 29, 2009 - 11:46am PT
pure gold inlaid with platinum
and studded w/ diamonds this
thread is.

aside from an adventure told and
most of the team chiming in,
i really dig what jello sez:
In the end, my three great partners would never allow me any guilt over our turning back.

-JelloGetsHighWithALittleHelpFromHisFriends

and thanks to the archivist who
shared .
Pate

Trad climber
The Lost Highway
Nov 29, 2009 - 01:50pm PT
Michael, or anyone of the other climbers who have experience in the region for that matter, what do you think the chances are of Americans making successful climbing bids now considering the current, and seemingly endlessly degrading political relationships between Pakistan and the US?

Despite the fact that the State Department considers Pakistan to be an ally, it is no secret that the Taliban and Al Qaeda pour into Afghanistan through the rugged, porous Pak/Afgani border, and that the Pakistani military either looks the other way or clandestinely supports these actions. It looks at this point like there will be an increasing troop buildup of international, but mostly US soldiers in Afghanistan with the publicly advertised intention of increased stability in the region, but with a strong intent on controlling Taliban and Al Qeada influence and penetration through the border, if not eradicataion of those organizations and their many splinter groups like Lashkar e'Taiba.

International expeditions rely heavily upon the efforts and goodwill of the local population and the governments of these countries, in f act they couldn't happen without them. Afghanistan has now experienced 8 years of officially declared war by the US, suffering from economic sanctions and civilian lateral damages. These are events that would set any population in the world against any occupying forces. It seems that the isolated mountain villages are crucial for the existence of the enemy forces in each of these mountainous countries, and that the movements of even good natured political-agenda free climbers western climbers, would be tracked and attacked either in retaliation, to set an example or taken as bargaining chips. In my opinion simply traveling in the lawless areas of Pakistan and Afghanistan is far more dangerous than climbing the peaks, where one at the very least has control o f some of the variables

Will it be decades before the memory of the political and personal damage that has been done subsides and Western climbers will be able to penetrate these areas experiencing the goodwill of the population? Is it even feasible to attempt any of these summits? Is it responsible for Western climbers to attempt to fulfill what are comparably self centered climbing efforts in the midst of a population that suffers in unimaginable ways, and who may be retaliated against by groups like Taliban or Al Queda forces for simply sheltering climbers or earning pay to porter loads?

I know that in reality a peaceful climbing expedition that is responsibly carried out can only serve the local population through goodwill efforts and addition to the local economy, if given a chance. Climbers for the most part are pretty darn good ambassadors comparatively.
Pate

Trad climber
Jan 25, 2010 - 09:04pm PT
bump for a real climbing thread.

(the first 30 posts are excruciatingly lame right now.)
nutjob

Trad climber
Berkeley, CA
Jan 29, 2010 - 09:43pm PT
Bump for goodness... I haven't read it all yet but I love what I've read so far.
Pate

Trad climber
Jan 30, 2010 - 12:49pm PT
bump
ydpl8s

Trad climber
Santa Monica, California
Apr 16, 2010 - 02:48pm PT
I don't really think this one can be bumped enough. Especially since Jello is up for the award.
Roxy

Trad climber
CA Central Coast
Apr 16, 2010 - 03:16pm PT
lunch time bump - what a find!
Steve Grossman

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 16, 2010 - 06:00pm PT
Lots of Le-talk about Latok in the most recent Alpinist! Timely Bump!
SteveW

Trad climber
The state of confusion
Apr 16, 2010 - 06:16pm PT

Bump a dump, Steve. No kidding it is an OUTSTANDING article about
all of the Latok peaks in #30!!!!!
If you don't have it you want to get it!
survival

Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
Apr 16, 2010 - 07:24pm PT
This thread is exactly the kind of important stuff we love superT for!

Great climb.
Adventure.
Drama.
History!

The main players right in here with us!

Steve Grossman

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 27, 2010 - 09:44pm PT
And how about posting that superb photo of the main players from last weekend!
old toad

Trad climber
yosemite, Ca.
Jul 27, 2010 - 11:48pm PT
This is the kind of post that keeps me looking at SuperTopo...so many of the posts on this site are not worth reading! (not in the least climbing related)... thank goodness for this one.
Ron Skelton
Steve Grossman

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 29, 2010 - 12:13pm PT
Luxuriously Out to Pasture Bump!

http://www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/1228559/Out-To-Pasture-TR
Steve Grossman

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 7, 2010 - 02:18pm PT
Still holding the high point on this one!

http://www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/1236582/Jello-Donini-Lowe-and-Kennedy-still-have-the-high-point
'Pass the Pitons' Pete

Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
Aug 7, 2010 - 03:51pm PT
"We divided up Jeff’s gear and headed into the maelstrom..."

What! Before he was even dead?!

Steve Grossman

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 7, 2012 - 03:51pm PT
Big Alpine Style Bump to keep Jim's thread company!
Vitaliy M.

Mountain climber
San Francisco
Oct 26, 2012 - 02:21pm PT
bump for great story and photos

can't believe this thread has 61 posts and political thread over thousands..wow
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