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apogee
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Apr 13, 2009 - 09:30pm PT
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GDavis: "Imagine the school telling your daughter that she can have abortions without her parents knowing about it."
This statement is a classic example of how Christians believe that morality and values in our society can only be accomplished by the presence of religion and Christianity in our society. Pretty feckin' presumptuous, if you ask me.
Is your religion-blindered mind really so indoctrinated as to believe that morality and social goodness can only be accomplished through your belief system? (Rhetorical question, I know.)
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Cracko
Trad climber
Quartz Hill, California
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Apr 13, 2009 - 09:33pm PT
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Too many people have lied in the name of Christ
For anyone to heed the call.
So many people have died in the name of Christ
That I can't believe it all.
Enough said for me !
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Blitzo
Social climber
Earth
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Apr 13, 2009 - 09:34pm PT
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Whoever we are
Wherever were from
We shoulda noticed by now
Our behavior is dumb
And if our chances
Expect to improve
Its gonna take a lot more
Than tryin to remove
The other race
Or the other whatever
From the face
Of the planet altogether
They call it the earth
Which is a dumb kinda name
But they named it right
cause we behave the same...
We are dumb all over
Dumb all over,
Yes we are
Dumb all over,
Near n far
Dumb all over,
Black n white
People, we is not wrapped tight
Nurds on the left
Nurds on the right
Religous fanatics
On the air every night
Sayin the bible
Tells the story
Makes the details
Sound real gory
bout what to do
If the geeks over there
Dont believe in the book
We got over here
You can't run a race
Without no feet
n pretty soon
There wont be no street
For dummies to jog on
Or doggies to dog on
Religous fanatics
Can make it be all gone
(I mean it wont blow up
n disappear
Itll just look ugly
For a thousand years...)
You can't run a country
By a book of religion
Not by a heap
Or a lump or a smidgeon
Of foolish rules
Of ancient date
Designed to make
You all feel great
While you fold, spindle
And mutilate
Those unbelievers
From a neighboring state
To arms! to arms!
Hooray! thats great
Two legs aint bad
Unless there's a crate
They ship the parts
To mama in
For souvenirs: two ears (get down!)
Not his, not hers, (but what the hey? )
The good book says:
(it gotta be that way!)
But their book says:
Revenge the crusades...
With whips n chains
n hand grenades...
Two arms? two arms?
Have another and another
Our God says:
There aint no other!
Our God says
Its all okay!
Our God says
This is the way!
It says in the book:
Burn n destroy...
n repent, n redeem
n revenge, n deploy
n rumble thee forth
To the land of the unbelieving scum on the other side
cause they dont go for whats in the book
n that makes em bad
So verily we must choppeth them up
And stompeth them down
Or rent a nice french bomb
To poof them out of existance
While leaving their real estate just where we need it
To use again
For temples in which to praise our god
(cause he can really take care of business!)
And when his humble tv servant
With humble white hair
And humble glasses
And a nice brown suit
And maybe a blond wife who takes phone calls
Tells us our God says
Its okay to do this stuff
Then we gotta do it,
cause if we don't do it,
We aint gwine up to hebbin!
(depending on which book youre using at the
Time...cant use theirs... it dont work
...its all lies...gotta use mine...)
Aint that right?
Thats what they say
Every night...
Every day...
Hey, we cant really be dumb
If were just following gods orders
Hey, lets get serious...
God knows what hes doin
He wrote this book here
An the book says:
He made us all to be just like him,
So...
If were dumb...
Then God is dumb...
(an maybe even a little ugly on the side)
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Chris2
Trad climber
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Apr 13, 2009 - 09:37pm PT
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"Everyone," doesn't, hate Christianity.
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jbar
Social climber
urasymptote
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Apr 13, 2009 - 10:00pm PT
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72hw - just curious. Have you ever watched any of the John Lennox debates?
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WBraun
climber
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Apr 13, 2009 - 10:05pm PT
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Dr F and the other antichrists
You said it, many times
Now why are you trying to cram it down the theists throats?
Hypocrites .....
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WBraun
climber
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Apr 13, 2009 - 10:22pm PT
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Dr F -- "We just want you to open your mind to the possibility of nothing,..."
Hahahahaha
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72hw
Trad climber
Pasadena, CA
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Apr 13, 2009 - 10:23pm PT
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Re: The Lennox Debates
Yes, indeed I have listened to a few, as I recall with Prof. Dawkins and one set in a more round table format with other leading theists and agnostics/atheists. Very interesting stuff as I recall and Lennox gave a clear voice to the issues in a very noble way. I remain unmoved in my convictions however, and whole heartedly stand behind the notion that faith and science are utterly opposed.
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spot
Boulder climber
Atascadero,Ca
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Apr 13, 2009 - 10:32pm PT
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This is my kind of church!
THe First Baptist Bar and Grill - song by Tim Wilson
link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YliBqsV3YMc
ps. Did the "forced to go to church" as a kid. Good idea, but sometimes the wrong application. Didn't get the act like an a$$hole 6 days a week and get a go to heaven ticket on sunday at church. It's everyday decency or nothing!
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MUR
climber
A little to the left of right
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Apr 13, 2009 - 10:35pm PT
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Spot > "Did the "forced to go to church" as a kid. Good idea, but sometimes the wrong application. Didn't get the act like an a$$hole 6 days a week and get a go to heaven ticket on sunday at church. It's everyday decency or nothing! "
EXACTLY!
I have no problem with the gist of Christianity, just don't particularly like the Hypocracy of it's followers.
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jbar
Social climber
urasymptote
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Apr 13, 2009 - 10:40pm PT
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72hw - I like the intelligent debate and I enjoy Lennox's disarming style. No need to cram anything down anybody's throat. Discussion of opposing views can often be enlightening and entertaining. No need for aggressive posturing, rhetoric, or anger to be involved.
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cintune
climber
the Moon and Antarctica
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Apr 13, 2009 - 10:42pm PT
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Well, y'know, how much can you really say about a trip report anyway? Wow. Cool. Proud. Bet you had an awesome time. Wish we were there. But if you want to know why everyone hates something, well, now you can get a discussion going.
I don't hate Christians much, the ones around today I mean. They're all pretty weak sauce compared to the ones who founded the cult in the first place. A lot of skeletons in the closet, that's for sure. I wish they would open their minds to more of what's real and jettison the bullshit parts of their artificial mythology, get on with their own lives instead of dwelling on an imaginary afterlife and such, but if that's what pushes their buttons, I don't hate them for being true to themselves.
http://io9.com/5209115/science-proves-that-christians-know-god
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Apr 13, 2009 - 10:43pm PT
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Flip Wilson belonged to the best church,
THE CHURCH OF WHATS HAPPENING NOW !!!!
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72hw
Trad climber
Pasadena, CA
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Apr 13, 2009 - 10:58pm PT
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Jbar - I agree with you on the debate thing. When conversation devolves into Ad Hominem it ceases to be valid.
My earlier posts were in keeping with the original, playful tone of this thread, and I apologize if I gave any other impression. Especially where it might concern Lennox - one of the few voices I find myself agreeing with on many things even though he represents an opposing view from mine. Hence my compliment to him above.
Most of the debates I have listened to featuring Lennox revolved around the question of whether science and faith are reconcilable you see, so I was merely pointing out he had not changed my mind, but was indeed a very eloquent voice on the subject.
I do believe I made a promise earlier to discontinue posting on this thread - must be my lack of a moral compass that has led me astray...
hehehe.
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Jennie
Trad climber
Idaho Falls
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Apr 13, 2009 - 10:58pm PT
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It’s not accurate to blame “Christianity” for the Spanish Inquisition or blame “Marxism” for murders committed by psychopaths such as Lenin, Stalin and Beria.
The Spanish Inquisition was started in 1478 by Spanish Monarchs, Ferdinand and Isabella, to replace the medieval inquisition that had been under papal control. It was under direct control of the monarchy. The medieval inquisition, as an ecclesiastical tribunal, had jurisdiction only over baptized Christians, and punishment was usually less harsh than requiring the “guilty” to go on a pilgrimage.
The Spanish Inquisition was motivated by the multi- religious nature of the country after the Moorish (Muslim) conquests and the large population of Jews. Pope Innocent was against Ferdinand and Isabella starting a harsher tribunal under their own authority. Their inquisition resulted in execution of 3,000 to 5,000, mostly Jews and Muslims, and a few Protestants.
Karl Marx would have been mortified by the blood and oppression in the Russian communist movement. Although not a moralist, he proposed the creation of classless, productive and congruous society. He advocated change through organized revolutionary action, but the mass starvation and murder of millions of peasants goes well against the grain of his theory.
It would take bullies and authoritarians, like Lenin, to insist that large-scale killing would be necessary to bring about the communist utopia. Lenin had little mercy for traditionalists or political opponents and that set the stage for Stalin, Beria, etc who would murder, starve and oppress to preserve their own personal power and gratify their own aggressive, anti-social and sexual impulses.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Social climber
valley center, ca
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Apr 13, 2009 - 11:22pm PT
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Dr. F...."I hate it (hate is a really ugly word, are you sure you hate ?) because it is based on a myth and a lie." Do you also hate all the Greek myths and Toddler Nursery Rhymes ? :)
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Social climber
valley center, ca
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Apr 13, 2009 - 11:25pm PT
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72hw, I am just on an open forum listening to others, weighing what they say and then speaking what I think, feel and have learned in life. I am not trying to make you a friend of Jesus.
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jbar
Social climber
urasymptote
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Apr 13, 2009 - 11:40pm PT
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Hey 72hw I didn't mean to seem like I was accusing you of anything. I saw your posts about dawkins and was just curious if you had heard of Lennox. I believe in being informed. I often force myself to watch or listen to opposing views if only to say I try to keep an open mind. There is one whom I'm thinking of now I can only get through about 10min of his show before I have to change the channel. But that would be another thread.
"the war in iraq is offically a christain vs muslim war based on our general's opinion"
Then may we also substitute "afghanistan" for Iraq or is that different based on your political views?
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