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High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Potemkin Village
Oct 25, 2013 - 06:07am PT
The writing's on the wall...



It's ovah for Jehovah.

The innovations, from a division of the company called Google Ideas, come at a time when the Internet, and social media in particular, is playing an increasing role in popular upheaval around the world, most notably in the Middle East.

“These are going to be useful additions to the activist toolkit,” said Philip Howard,

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/23/21080699-running-battle-how-google-hopes-to-beat-countries-cracking-down-on-internet-freedom?lite

Note "playing an increasing role in popular upheaval around the world."

Like.

The uProxy tool essentially provides a mask for dissidents. They can establish a secure connection with someone across the world, in a free-Internet country, whom they trust, and read and post online without surveillance or blocking.

Like.

.....

ekat,

it's all a part of the process. "Brick by brick." It's a tough job but somebody's got to do it. ;)
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Oct 25, 2013 - 06:10am PT
ROTAS
OPERA
TENET
AREPO
SATOR
Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
Oct 27, 2013 - 09:02am PT
"Fear prophets and those prepared to die for the truth, for as a rule they make many others die with them, often before them, at times instead of them."
Umberto Eco
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Oct 27, 2013 - 09:26am PT
http://www.dw.de/syrias-christians-flee-rebel-crosshairs/a-17178299
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Oct 27, 2013 - 09:34am PT
Never thought I'd agree with Bill Maher on anything, but you know what they say about broken clocks being right twice a day...

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/maher-michael-moore-sharpton-and-richard-dawkins-battle-over-the-sins-of-islam/

Michael Moore is a douche.
Sketch

Trad climber
Langley, VA
Oct 27, 2013 - 09:53am PT
Interesting segment on CBS Sunday Morning:

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=50157961n
Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
Oct 27, 2013 - 07:23pm PT
I just want to touch on this hell thing one more time before I get to the point of what I want to say. Now if someone raped and killed my daughter and I happened to know who this person is and I managed to duct tape them in my basement. I would be understandable that in my rage and grief I would want to extract revenge in a most horrific manor. So I head down to the hardware grab a blow torch and a pair of pliers and spend the next couple days making things as unpleasant as possible for imprisioned rapst/murder. However extracting my revenge beyond 2 maybe three days puts me into a new realm of sicko. If I were to keep this person alive for a week, two weeks, month, a year? We would have to agree that my mind has broken and I am no longer sane. No what about this hell thing? Having your flesh burn off your bones only to come back and burn off again not for a week or a year but eternity. No doubt there will also be a glass of water and fire extiquisher just out of reach. My point is that this all forgiving super being is one twisted mother f*#ker if this is so.
homeless mountain guide
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Potemkin Village
Oct 30, 2013 - 09:44am PT
re: "the religion of peace"

Stunning. Self-proclaimed 'moderate' Muslims at Islamic Peace Conference in Norway. Watch what happens...



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3ZAxkWzIpk&feature=youtu.be

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bV710c1dgpU

.....

So contrast the aforementioned with the Ben Breedlove story (and video) linked above by Sketch and it's easy to see why the subject (including its superstitions) is so involved and hard if not impossible (for many) to overcome.
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Potemkin Village
Oct 31, 2013 - 05:58am PT
News alert:

Alex Honnold on Joe Rogan... a year or so ago.
Sam Harris on Joe Rogan... yesterday!

http://vimeo.com/78223316

"Civilization is a machine... to get us to peacefully collaborate with strangers."
Sam Harris

"The prefrontal cortex of every brain is a machine... that allows for that collaboration."
Sam Harris

The most sustained, dynamic, thought-provoking and spot-on exchange I've heard in a very long time.
Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
Nov 5, 2013 - 04:59pm PT
"Physicists use 'God' as a metaphor more often than other scientists.... Of course, this is just a metaphor for order at the heart of confusion. A rational or aesthetic pattern underlying reality is far from a theistic God."
"Creation out of absolute nothing is a metaphysical quagmire for theists anyway, since nothing must at least have the potentiality for becoming something. Since theists are stuck with potentiality, it might as well be something like a quantum vacuum [a state which by definition contains no physical particles]. ... Quantum events have a way of just happening, without any cause.... Even the quantum vacuum is not an inert void, but is boiling with quantum fluctuations. Energy fluctuations out of nothing create short-lived particle-antiparticle pairs. . . . An uncaused beginning, even out of nothing, for spacetime is no great leap of the imagination.... In all likelihood, the universe is uncaused.... It just is."
Taner Edis
Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
Nov 10, 2013 - 01:34pm PT
"Religion is all bunk."

"All Bibles are man-made."

"The great trouble is that the preachers get the children from six to seven years of age, and then it is almost impossible to do anything with them. Incurably religious-that is the best way to describe the mental condition of so many people. Incurably religious."

Thomas Edison
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Potemkin Village
Nov 10, 2013 - 02:24pm PT
re: How religions and the US government let children die

http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2013/10/30/how-religions-and-the-u-s-government-let-children-die/


Remember, though, it was a hundred times worse even one generation (25 years) ago. Times are changing. The world's much more aware today.
rSin

Trad climber
calif
Nov 10, 2013 - 05:24pm PT
conservative christians are pure filth...


always have been. and today their ratings are based on their promise to always will be


By Amanda Marcotte

10 Things Traditional Christians Got Terribly Wrong


November 7, 2013 | Like this article?Join our email list:Stay up to date with the latest headlines via email.
When Christians get political, they often do so because they believe that they have God on their side. This is true whether they are progressive or conservative, and throughout most of American history there have been both. (You’d think that the conflicting claims about what God wants would lead to more doubting, but here we are.) Looking over the long history of people claiming to be speaking for God’s wishes, it quickly becomes evident that Christians are frequently on the wrong side of history. Here are 10 things that American Christians of the conservative stripe got completely wrong when they were so sure they were speaking on God’s behalf.

1) Slavery. Both sides of the American slavery debate claimed to be speaking from profound Christian conviction. The Bible clearly has a positive view of slavery, something pro-slavery Christians routinely pointed out. Abolitionists took a broader, less literal view of the Bible. Unsurprising that this divide led to the South being, to this day, home of the most people who take a literalist, fundamentalist view of Christianity.

Of course, nowadays you can’t find even the most literalist fan of the Bible who is willing to agree with their predecessors in the 19th century who believed the Bible endorsed slavery. Of the many things conservative Christians have gotten wrong over the years, the pro-slavery argument is probably the one that is least likely to be revived by modern fundamentalists.

2) Women’s suffrage. Unsurprisingly, conservative Christianity was hostile to women’s suffrage, just as it’s been hostile to women’s progress every step of the way. Women’s “God-given” roles were routinely referenced in arguments against giving women the right to vote, such as when Susan Fenimore Cooper—daughter of James Fenimore Cooper–wrote in Harper’s that “Christianity confirms the subordinate position of woman, by allotting to man the headship in plain language and by positive precept.”

While the argument is clearly wrong in retrospect and disavowed by most modern conservatives, there are still some Christian conservatives who continue to believe that the issue isn’t resolved and should still be up for debate.

3) Evolution. From the second it became evident that the Biblical story of creation was wrong and life on earth evolved over millions of years of random mutation, many Christians were aghast and resisted the truth getting out as hard as they could. Because of this, there have been multiple times throughout history where Christians embarrassed themselves by being wrong in a dramatic courtroom setting. The Scopes monkey trial is the most famous, but the Dover trial of 2005 over the teaching of intelligent design in schools is up there in terms of sheer humor. The Republican-appointed judge even went so far as to describe the Christian conservative defenders of creationism as liars pushing a theory of “breathtaking inanity.”

4) Pain relief for childbirth. The Bible explicitly lays out pain in childbirth as Eve’s punishment for sin, so unsurprisingly, that’s what many Christians in the 19th century believed had to be so. Once reliable pain relief in childbirth began to be developed, therefore, there was a lot of resistance to it from Christians who feared it defied God to let women have some relief. The truth is that pain in childbirth is not a punishment from God, but the product of evolution, which is a far from perfect process. Eventually, the argument that women owed it to God to suffer through childbirth faded to the fringes of right-wing Christianity. “Natural” childbirth has seen a resurgence in popularity in the secular world since the 1960s, but that was more of a reaction to some medical overreach than a belief that women are sinful and deserve to suffer.

5) Catholics. Modern American conservative Protestants embrace Catholics and have even started to borrow some Catholic arguments against things like abortion and contraception. But in the early 19th and 20th centuries, there was widespread anti-Catholic sentiment, much of it tied up in hostility to Catholic immigrants. There was even an anti-Catholic political party in the early 19th century. Catholics were viewed as idolaters and drunkards by many Protestants, but by far the most bizarre relic of anti-Catholic paranoia is the fear that evil shenanigans were going on in nunneries. A woman writing under the pseudonym “Maria Monk” penned a best-selling book where she claimed to have escaped a convent where she was forced to be a sex slave and pressed into the act of killing babies and hiding their corpses. Needless to say, none of her accusations should be taken as anything approaching true. Anti-Catholic paranoia also led to another Christian-led folly…

6) Prohibition. Hostility to Catholic immigrants was a large part of the reason temperance mania took over many Protestant communities in the 19th and early 20th centuries. Despite the fact that Jesus was a wine drinker, abstinence from alcohol—and forcing abstinence on others by force of law—became a major Christian cause during this period, leading up to Prohibition. This was true, even though many in the temperance movement were also aligned with the suffragist cause, making Prohibition one of the few Christian follies that weighs as heavily on the progressive Christian tradition as it does the conservative one. Luckily, it took little more than a decade for the bigtime error that was banning alcohol to be fixed.

7) Segregation. Religious leaders like Martin Luther King Jr. led the desegregation movement, but it’s also important to note that the pro-segregation movement was also conceived as a Christian one. Arguments against “race mixing” were largely framed in religious terms. The judge who initially ruled against the interracial couple in Loving v. Virginia argued that the “Almighty God” put people on separate continents and “did not intend for the races to mix.” Christian right leader Jerry Falwell got his start fighting to uphold segregation, giving sermons about how integration was offensive to God. As Max Blumenthal noted in the Nation, the modern religious right as we know it started off as a movement to defend segregation.

8) Contraception. From the beginning of the “birth control movement,” Christian conservatives fought to keep women from being able to have sex without getting pregnant. Devout Christian Anthony Comstock successfully convinced Congress in 1872 that contraception was ungodly, leading to a federal ban on sharing birth control information across state lines. This was finally repealed in 1936. In 1963, the Supreme Court ended anti-contraception laws for married women. Finally, in 1971, the Supreme Court also eliminated the last of the god-bothering anti-contraception laws banning birth control for single people. Nowadays, 99 percent of sexually active women have used contraception at some point in their lives.

9) School prayer. Along with supporting segregation and opposing feminism, the third issue that created the modern religious right is the issue of prayer in public schools. In 1961, the Supreme Court ruled against school-led prayers, even if they were supposedly voluntary. Instead of giving up a chance to use schools as a way to foist their beliefs on the unwilling, the religious right spent and continues to spend the next 50-plus years trying to find some way to sneak religious indoctrination/bullying of non-believers into public schools. They’ve attempted to sneak it in by having students lead it, as if that makes it less coercive. Recently, in Rhode Island, they tried to sneak it in by having it written on a wall instead of recited. Most attempts fail in court. Even though there’s no evidence that these bullying tactics have ever converted anyone to their faith, they keep trying.

10) Marriage equality. The religious right is still fighting like it’s not obvious that they’re wrong on this one. The tide is shifting so fast it’s quickly becoming apparent that this issue, like segregation, is going to be one where they’ll be pretending they didn’t fight so hard for the side of wrong in a few decades. The majority of Americans now support same-sex marriage. Illinois is becoming the 15th state to authorize it. The momentum is in the direction of justice, and as gay rights proponents said from the beginning, Christian conservatives are, as with most things, on the wrong side of history.

http://www.alternet.org/belief/10-things-traditional-christians-got-terribly-wrong
Lynne Leichtfuss

Sport climber
moving thru
Nov 10, 2013 - 05:29pm PT
rSin, so glad I'm not a conservative christian. just a jesus follower here. :) lynne
rSin

Trad climber
calif
Nov 10, 2013 - 05:49pm PT
indeed.

have you noticed that these days anyone who identifies with "traditional christianity" has never heard of the beattitudes?

was asking the inlaws onces about what jesus had thought important to talk about when he got his largest assemblies together and they all came up blank...

i said surely youve read the gospels; and you wouldnt belive the reply i got... and it was delivered with a snarl

" i dont have to read that book to know whats RIGHT!"


her hand was in her purse and im sure she was fondling her handgun at that point

it was like that old moving when boggie as the navy captain goes off the deep end

cept it wasnt just said
more it was truely frightening


anyone today who self identifies in public as being a christian is decidely NOT a follower of christs example

he or she is just a market driven consumer whos found a place which caters to the bigotries and hatred that SOOTHE their worest character traits
Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
Nov 10, 2013 - 07:04pm PT
WBraun

climber
Nov 10, 2013 - 08:45pm PT
In this thread lately you have the soapbox "Preachers" Malemute, Fruity and rSin preaching their religion ......
rSin

Trad climber
calif
Nov 10, 2013 - 09:28pm PT
so i hear we threw isreali under the bus...

called my congresswoman told her
throw it in reverse
back over them a few times
just to be sure
Largo

Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
Nov 14, 2013 - 08:06pm PT
was asking the inlaws onces about what jesus had thought important to talk about when he got his largest assemblies together and they all came up blank...

i said surely youve read the gospels; and you wouldnt belive the reply i got... and it was delivered with a snarl

" i dont have to read that book to know whats RIGHT!"


her hand was in her purse and im sure she was fondling her handgun at that point

it was like that old moving when boggie as the navy captain goes off the deep end

cept it wasnt just said
more it was truely frightening


anyone today who self identifies in public as being a christian is decidely NOT a follower of christs example

he or she is just a market driven consumer whos found a place which caters to the bigotries and hatred that SOOTHE their worest character traits


This charicterization, while true is some or even many cases, is sorter like saying all scientists are duffuses with fifty pens in their pockets, walk slightly pidgeon-toed, couldn't get laid with a gold brick in their hand, can't whistle or dance, and wouldn't know culture if it bit them in the wingtips. This applies to many science types, aftger a fashion, but it is no more "true" than your silly portrayal of Christians. You might be surprised by the acumen of some church goers. Theologians, at the top level, are very capible people and excellent schollars, no more succesible to believing foolishness than you or I.

But that muich said, any Christian who doesn't know the Beatitudes is in the dark. It's their loss IMO.

JL
Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
Nov 14, 2013 - 08:21pm PT
“God is an ever-receding pocket of scientific ignorance that's getting smaller and smaller and smaller as time moves on.”
― Neil deGrasse Tyson
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