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Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Mar 29, 2014 - 12:44pm PT
Why do so many liberals, who (as a group) claim to embrace diversity, promote tolerance of divergent views and take offense at the merely hint of racism or LGBT derision

Because that is anti-Christian.
When coming from Christians, it is hypocrisy.

And it worries people. If a Christian ignores one major precept (love), why will they not ignore all of the Commandments, if convenient?
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Mar 29, 2014 - 06:39pm PT
Why do so many liberals, who (as a group) claim to embrace diversity, promote tolerance of divergent views and take offense at the merely hint of racism or LGBT derision

Why don't so many conservatives do the same?

who don't they believe the same as "liberals" on those issues?

isn't that what Christ preached?
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Mar 29, 2014 - 06:57pm PT
Why do so many liberals, who (as a group) claim to embrace diversity, promote tolerance of divergent views and take offense at the merely hint of racism or LGBT derision... why do so many of them think it's acceptable to completely abandon those principles and resort to hateful, offensive bigotry when it comes to Christians and Christianity?

Because they are hypocrites . As are all major political players. And the intolerance is not just confined to Christians but to any opposition that stands in their way.
They view Christians as representing a set of values which the western liberal establishment has targeted for demolition, much like the various factions of Marxism attempted to accomplish by outlawing religion (the opiate of the masses) as a matter of course in the old Soviet Union and Maoist China.

At the present time the representatives of this type of political thinking cannot outlaw Christianity ---so they're going to attempt to stomp it into oblivion. One cannot stomp something into oblivion and tolerate it at the same time. Hence, they've opened up a full court press on religious culture. Science is their big 7 ft. guy playing center for the team. The old Leninist/Stalinist Bolsheviks use to call him "scientific materialism"
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Mar 29, 2014 - 07:23pm PT
Many christians are still latching onto the days when they were lion feed and love playing the victim..The truth is that some of the more vocal christians have control issues and pretend that the rest of society are their subjects..Same thinking as the Muslims that want to kill non-believers...Too bad mankind has to deal with both extremists..The barbeque would be more peaceful without these yellow jackets buzzing about...
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Apr 6, 2014 - 10:36pm PT

The Character of Christ
I now want to say a few words upon a topic which I often think is not quite sufficiently dealt with by Rationalists, and that is the question whether Christ was the best and the wisest of men. It is generally taken for granted that we should all agree that that was so. I do not myself. I think that there are a good many points upon which I agree with Christ a great deal more than the professing Christians do. I do not know that I could go with Him all the way, but I could go with Him much further than most professing Christians can. You will remember that He said, "Resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also." That is not a new precept or a new principle. It was used by Lao-tse and Buddha some 500 or 600 years before Christ, but it is not a principle which as a matter of fact Christians accept. I have no doubt that the present prime minister [Stanley Baldwin], for instance, is a most sincere Christian, but I should not advise any of you to go and smite him on one cheek. I think you might find that he thought this text was intended in a figurative sense.

Then there is another point which I consider excellent. You will remember that Christ said, "Judge not lest ye be judged." That principle I do not think you would find was popular in the law courts of Christian countries. I have known in my time quite a number of judges who were very earnest Christians, and none of them felt that they were acting contrary to Christian principles in what they did. Then Christ says, "Give to him that asketh of thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away." That is a very good principle. Your Chairman has reminded you that we are not here to talk politics, but I cannot help observing that the last general election was fought on the question of how desirable it was to turn away from him that would borrow of thee, so that one must assume that the Liberals and Conservatives of this country are composed of people who do not agree with the teaching of Christ, because they certainly did very emphatically turn away on that occasion.

Then there is one other maxim of Christ which I think has a great deal in it, but I do not find that it is very popular among some of our Christian friends. He says, "If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that which thou hast, and give to the poor." That is a very excellent maxim, but, as I say, it is not much practised. All these, I think, are good maxims, although they are a little difficult to live up to. I do not profess to live up to them myself; but then, after all, it is not quite the same thing as for a Christian.

from
Why I Am Not A Christian
by Bertrand Russell
TWP

Trad climber
Mancos, CO
Apr 6, 2014 - 10:46pm PT
"Because of the way Christians behave."

Gandhi was once asked by a Christian, "What religion has the best philosophy?"

"Christianity," he said.

The Christian then asked, "Why then aren't' you a Christian?"

"Because I've seen how Christians behave," Mahatma explained.
Malemute

Ice climber
great white north
Apr 7, 2014 - 05:24pm PT
Italian prosecutors on Friday said two former top executives at the Vatican bank will go on trial for money laundering, while the bank's ex-chairman was declared innocent.

http://www.thelocal.it/20140329/ex-vatican-bank-chiefs-face-money-laundering-trial
Lorenzo

Trad climber
Oregon
Apr 7, 2014 - 06:37pm PT
Great quote about an innocent man?

the bank's ex-chairman was declared innocent.

let he who is without sin cast the first stone

Malemute's link is irrelevant to actual religion and is about crooked bankers. Even other Chistians hate the Vatican.

You can find links like that for any organization.

Pick a religion. I'll find a link.

Here's a start.
http://nymag.com/thecut/2013/06/buddhist-monks-having-a-louis-vuitton-scandal.html


http://thebea.st/1cy7HFA

http://iwpr.net/report-news/kyrgyzstans-top-muslim-cleric-unseated-sex-scandal

I'll bet I can find one on the Amish...hell, there's a tv show on them.
TYeary

Social climber
State of decay
Apr 7, 2014 - 07:23pm PT
“Tell a devout Christian that his wife is cheating on him, or that frozen yogurt can make a man invisible, and he is likely to require as much evidence as anyone else, and to be persuaded only to the extent that you give it. Tell him that the book he keeps by his bed was written by an invisible deity who will punish him with fire for eternity if he fails to accept its every incredible claim about the universe, and he seems to require no evidence what so ever.”
― Sam Harris

Religion belongs in the dark ages, the infancy of man.
TY
Lorenzo

Trad climber
Oregon
Apr 7, 2014 - 07:29pm PT
Religion belongs in the dark ages, the infancy of man.

We are all grown up now? Really?
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
U.N. Ambassador, Crackistan
Apr 7, 2014 - 07:39pm PT
Even other Chistians hate the Vatican.

I see your problem, right there in that sentence.

And its true, there's the rub!!!!

;D

All too true.

DMT
TYeary

Social climber
State of decay
Apr 7, 2014 - 07:40pm PT
We are all grown up now? Really?

Hardly. However, if we are to grow, to move forward, we need to discard those things that are divisive. The dogma and totalitarian nature of religion is an albatross around our necks.We have a choice. We have two options as human beings. We have a choice between conversation and war. That's it. Conversation and violence. And faith is a conversation stopper.
TY
Lorenzo

Trad climber
Oregon
Apr 7, 2014 - 07:43pm PT
__
Apr 7, 2014 - 04:39pm PT
Even other Chistians hate the Vatican.

I see your problem, right there in that sentence.

And its true, there's the rub!!!!

;D

All too true.

DMT
__

Got it.

My problem is I spoke the truth.

Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
U.N. Ambassador, Crackistan
Apr 7, 2014 - 07:45pm PT
Yep.

DMT
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Apr 7, 2014 - 10:38pm PT

Hardly. However, if we are to grow, to move forward, we need to discard those things that are divisive. The dogma and totalitarian nature of religion is an albatross around our necks.We have a choice. We have two options as human beings. We have a choice between conversation and war. That's it. Conversation and violence. And faith is a conversation stopper.

Faith is ALL about conversation and an openmind! Seems as though you don't know ur history all that well? It is the belief in God that has propelled mankind forward since the advent of the printing press. It was a belief in God that enables you to live in the freedoms today you take for granted. It was a belief in God that abolished slavery In this country. It was a belief in God that started the first Universities for the progression of mans mind. I could go on and on. But you don't want to listen or talk. You want to war. You want to force your opinions with violence because you can't see what I have. I have a total grasp on life and humanity and I hold them in high esteem and I give thanks and praise to The Lord Jesus for bringing me out of the bondage of being an animal. Your blinded by hate for something you don't even understand.
Ur right, we all need to grow. But you can't know where ur going if you don't know where you been!
TYeary

Social climber
State of decay
Apr 7, 2014 - 10:48pm PT
Faith is ALL about conversation and an openmind!

History is littered with untold number of corpses that did not enjoy the benefit of your "open minded "faith. Crusades, Inquisition, the subjugation of women( half the human race) and on and on. Perhaps it is you who needs a history refresher. I have never heard of an atheist suicide bomber. Nor have we burned , drowned or murdered because of our lack of faith. Good men do good things and bad men do bad things. It takes religion to make good men do bad things.
TY
zBrown

Ice climber
Brujo de la Playa
Apr 7, 2014 - 10:57pm PT
Can I find the answer to the original question without having to read the whole thread?

Also, if anyone has time. Since 'everyone' would include Christians, just the answer to why Christians hate Christianity so much would help.

-St. Augustine
Rankin

Social climber
Greensboro, North Carolina
Apr 7, 2014 - 10:58pm PT
A bunch of finger wagging hypocrites.
TYeary

Social climber
State of decay
Apr 7, 2014 - 11:34pm PT
Rankin nails it.
And by the way, morality, our concept of The Golden Rule or ethic of reciprocity, predates Christianity by at least 800 years depending on your source. The Golden Rule can be found in the early contributions of Confucianism (551–479BC), the Code of Hammurabi (1780 BC) ancient China, Egypt and Greece.
"There are sections of the Bible that I think are absolutely brilliant and poetically unrivaled, and there are sections of the Bible which are the sheerest barbarism, yet profess to prescribe a divinely mandated morality—where do I start? Books like Leviticus and Deuteronomy and Exodus and First and Second Kings and Second Samuel—half of the kings and prophets of Israel would be taken to The Hague and prosecuted for crimes against humanity if these events took place in our own time." Sam Harris
The Bible and the Koran are hardly a beacons of morality.
TY

High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Apr 7, 2014 - 11:49pm PT
blu, yur a beacon, yur goin to heaven fer sur.

.....

TYeary, nice to see you're into Sam Harris! What he says about all that old-school bs mixed with not wanting to hurt people's feelings being a "conversation stopper" is spot on. Time for change.

Fight the good fight. In the interest of civilization, its continuity for starters.

Attacks on atheism are usually personal, moralistic, and atrociously argued (not surprisingly). Coyne on the latest...

http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2014/04/06/the-worst-atheist-bashing-article-of-the-year/
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