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the Fet

Supercaliyosemistic climber
Apr 13, 2009 - 08:07pm PT
christmas - winter solstice celebaration, can't stop it, take it over, pretend Jesus's birthday was on it, keep the tree and other pagan traditions, complain that it's being secularized.
flying monkey

Trad climber
mount shasta, california
Apr 13, 2009 - 08:11pm PT
Because there is a propaganda war against it... Simply replace the word religion or Christianity with the word 'democracy' and you'll get a much clearer picture of what's really going on, who's starting the wars, shoving ideals down peoples throats and all the rest. People are so brainwashed, they think religion is bad because it puts rules on their activities yet they are perfectly willing to let their government(without moral guidance) do exactly that.
This country was founded on God given rights, It is the job of our government to protect those rights not regulate us into oblivion.
Get with the times, atheism is the new religion complete with it's dogma known as evolution.

Social climber
So Cal
Apr 13, 2009 - 08:17pm PT
The Dogma is Statisim not evolution.

They have a hard time with a few founding principles

When in the course of human Events, it becomes necessary for one People to dissolve the Political Bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the Powers of the Earth, the separate and equal Station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent Respect to the Opinions of Mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the Separation.

We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness—-That to secure these Rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed,

Social climber
So Cal
Apr 13, 2009 - 08:38pm PT
Why do you feel compelled to "hate" it then instead of simply ignore it?

What about the concept of natural rights?

Is that a myth also?

No wonder you want everyone to be a slave to your concept of a utopian state.
Kofi Donny Annan

darkest of africa
Apr 13, 2009 - 08:43pm PT
another essential thread germain to our rock climber's existence

i love that you have the right to post whatever willy-nilly thought pops into your head. this one is better than most, but still falls under the heading of "political drivel that waters down Super Topo"

Kofi edit- lotsa people enjoying this thread. so I apologize for being grumpy 'cause clearly the peanut gallery likes this one. Go figure

Apr 13, 2009 - 08:45pm PT
What is this Christianity stuff anyway? I'd like to hear your views.


Trad climber
Apr 13, 2009 - 08:50pm PT
"There is no proof that any in the bible is the true story of what happened."
Your grammar makes this very difficult to understand, so I have to guess what you are insinuating. The cities and locations (and hills and tombs and confrontation with Roman empire and rivers and lakes and continuity with egyptian history and etc etc etc..) have architectural remains, and always have.

"Its been changed 1000 times to suit the present day circumstances"

I believe you are confused with the book of mormon. The 'bible' was written by people, that actually exhisted, and copied in constantininople (how the hell you spell that) following the fall of the Roman Empire until monks were translating the exact same words when Shakespeare got ahold of it. He re-wrote it in 'common english' (both the original texts of the guttenburg and artifacts containing the original copies hand made are in museums the world over) where it stands today. The king james bible is still available, as is its latin counterparts. The phrases have been changed to fit the modern dialect (no more Thees and Thou's etc) into several variations, depending on the demographic, but the most common is the NIV (new international version). The phrasing is all that is changed, the message is and has always been the same. Whether the translation is across languages or dialects, the same thing is being said as had been said a thousand years ago.

So, in closing, you are just another angry hippy shouting drivel. Hate all you want, but c'mon man, do some research first :D

Social climber
So Cal
Apr 13, 2009 - 08:52pm PT
It gave us this concept

We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness—-

Social climber
Apr 13, 2009 - 08:54pm PT
I don't dislike Christians. I just like it better when they're not around.

Apr 13, 2009 - 08:54pm PT
"Why do you feel compelled to "hate" it then instead of simply ignore it?"

Because there are way too many people who practice Christianity and are impossible to ignore. They constantly try to infuse their beliefs into public policy and politics, and knock on my door trying ram the 'good news' down my throat.

Having said this, one of my very best friends leads a strong Christian life- we have stimulating, intelligent, respectful discussions about the role of spirituality in one's life, and to his great credit, has never, ever evangelized his beliefs towards me or anyone else. Though I would not consider myself a true 'Christian', what I have learned from these discussions are some of the greatest lessons of my life.


Trad climber
Pasadena, CA
Apr 13, 2009 - 08:56pm PT
TGT - what?


Christianity gave us that verse....


EDIT: Sorry, this is my last post on a religious subject here. My thoughts on the matter can be best summed up by heading over to or by reading any number of books including, but not limited to "The end of faith" by Sam Harris or "God is not great" by Christopher Hitchens to name only a couple of fairly recent tomes.


Social climber
So Cal
Apr 13, 2009 - 09:00pm PT
72 lighten up on the inhalation and read!

Apr 13, 2009 - 09:01pm PT
You got it right the first time TGT.

They can't read for sure.

Same ole sh'it, here.

Trad climber
Apr 13, 2009 - 09:02pm PT
craig, I love arguing with you because you seem to have no regard for digging deeper than a gut feeling. This makes my job in enlightening you that much easier!

"But just look above at all Christianity has done
And it goes on and on"

Christianity, paganism, Muslims, what do you want to call it? Look at all that humanity has done to eachother, with religion or without. It is our nature to destroy eachother and the idiots nature to blame it on someone else. Trust me, there is violence and genocide where the vatican has no influence :D

"And still based on something that doesn't exist"

Compassion and good will are alive and well, despite your every best efforts.

"Or is their something, other than someone had a good feeling, or prayed and something happened"

People who didn't know who we were fixed our water heater when my parents were dirt poor because they heard it was broken and wanted to do a good thing for a neighbor. Every year the youth group at my church raises tens of thousands of dollars for starving children in africa. My college group has sent dozens of students across the world to give special needs to families that are dying from diseases and war. I gave my sister my car when hers was repossessed and she had no way to get to work and support herself and her child because God told me it was the right thing to do, and I got in pretty damn good shape riding my bike to work.

I don't think I need to list examples on how God has made a positive impact on the lives of christians, but there are a few anyway.

People whose way of thinking align with yourself are so fast to judge and hate and point fingers, but have never done anything. I put blood and sweat into my community and into a shitty world that cares nothing about me in the hopes that someones day may be so much better that it is as good as my WORST day. Fact is, conservatives donate four times as much and volunteer twice as much as liberals, has and always will be. You can say christianity is bunk because of intangibles all you want, there is no proof for or against, and its not an argument that will reveal anything.

But tangibles? We got the hippies beat by a mile. Go ahead and do a peaceful protest. We'll be feeding the homeless.

God bless punk!

Trad climber
Apr 13, 2009 - 09:04pm PT
"what I have learned from these discussions are some of the greatest lessons of my life. "

wasn't he 'cramming his beliefs down your throat?"

what a tired argument. This is the reason you hate christians? Because at some point in your life someone told you something you don't agree with? Welcome to the real world little boy, expect more. Imagine the school telling your daughter that she can have abortions without her parents knowing about it. The dreidle spins both ways!

Trad climber
Apr 13, 2009 - 09:07pm PT
t*r -

no disrespect nor yelling intended, I posted the same in another thread...just an observation(and a cry for attention ;D)

I apologize if I've missed your TRs and appreciation thread, it's easy to miss the 'good stuff' sometimes. I do appreciate your presence here, carry on...and...


Trad climber
Apr 13, 2009 - 09:09pm PT
I read your trip reports every time, but don't usually post. I rarely post on trip reports unless its to bump them, just becaues they are fun to read and usually what can you say to a bitchin' story? But trust me, they get read!

Apr 13, 2009 - 09:14pm PT
"wasn't he 'cramming his beliefs down your throat?"

No, he wasn't, GDavis.

Trad climber
Apr 13, 2009 - 09:18pm PT
Yes, apo, that was my point.


Social climber
Apr 13, 2009 - 09:19pm PT
"Add to that, that Christianity has slaughtered and enslaved more people in history than any other entity.... "

come on people. If you're going to make a statement like that at least make sure it's accurate. Hate Christianity all you like but that statement just isn't true.

Edit: Amen Gdavis!
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