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The Warbler

climber
the edge of America
Apr 13, 2009 - 07:04pm PT
We just don't like "Christians" who do-do onto others.
apogee

climber
Apr 13, 2009 - 07:05pm PT
I don't hate religion or the concept of Christianity, it's the people who proliferate it, evangelize it, bastardize it, kill in the name of it, and otherwise ram it down the throats of everyone around them that irritates the sh*t outta me.


Aside from that, it's great!
TKingsbury

Trad climber
MT
Apr 13, 2009 - 07:11pm PT
this thread will get more responses than the TR I just posted...

just saying
PP

Trad climber
SF,CA
Apr 13, 2009 - 07:16pm PT
Because we had to go to church when we were kids.
Mighty Hiker

Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Apr 13, 2009 - 07:21pm PT
Are we supposed to love christians, but hate christianity? Or love christianity, but hate christians? Religion is so confusing.
Nefarius

Big Wall climber
Fresno
Apr 13, 2009 - 07:28pm PT
"I don't hate religion or the concept of Christianity, it's the people who proliferate it, evangelize it, bastardize it, kill in the name of it, and otherwise ram it down the throats of everyone around them that irritates the sh*t outta me."

Apogee nails it. Add to that, that Christianity has slaughtered and enslaved more people in history than any other entity....

TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Apr 13, 2009 - 07:29pm PT
Communisim has it beat by an order of magnitude or so.
apogee

climber
Apr 13, 2009 - 07:31pm PT
TGT, I doubt that very seriously, but it would be an interesting comparison.
sportcamper

Trad climber
gunx
Apr 13, 2009 - 07:33pm PT
Personally, I think it is that t.v. show about .. The Duggers?, 18 and counting... that is making me cringe...
Hankster

Trad climber
Eldorado Springs, CO
Apr 13, 2009 - 07:36pm PT
Nothing wrong with praising anything you want. In AA you can consider your "higher power" your coffee cup.

To me, it's just organized religion that I can't stand.

Caylor
Fat Dad

Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
Apr 13, 2009 - 07:40pm PT
It's the organization that's the problem. I'm a Catholic by birth and now by choice, but I'm the first to admit that the church has had some really less than stellar moments.

Even if we presume that God is perfect, people are from it. As long as they're the ones running the church, whether it be large or small, it's only going to be as good as the person(s) running it. It's kind of like family. Some of them may be really f-ed up, but you love them anyways.

Few things in this world are perfect. Organized religion is a perfect example of that.
bwancy1

Trad climber
Here
Apr 13, 2009 - 07:49pm PT
Because of the christians.
Lynne Leichtfuss

Social climber
valley center, ca
Apr 13, 2009 - 07:51pm PT
Nefarious, Jesus who never started a church or a religion said, to love your enemies....bless them that curse you.

I ask over and over why and what is the point in grouping people under one umbrella we are all different. I try hard not to give people labels. If you do often you don't get to know the individual who may be a pretty terrific person and have some great gifts to offer.

The Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition..... don't think that's what Jesus had in mind. :D Jess sayin', Lynnie
Jaybro

Social climber
wuz real!
Apr 13, 2009 - 07:51pm PT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZF5uQfpbDs

Meanwhile, I think I'll try out TR's Gramma's church
72hw

Trad climber
Pasadena, CA
Apr 13, 2009 - 07:56pm PT
I love Christianity... they have wacky things like this:

Ritualized cannibalism - Communion (Drink my blood, eat my flesh)

and

Zombie Day - Easter (I mean come on, a dood rises from the grave?)
Lynne Leichtfuss

Social climber
valley center, ca
Apr 13, 2009 - 08:00pm PT
Ya know, 72hw, most of Jesus' close friends were killed in pretty horrific ways. Don't know if I would undergo something like that to promote a myth. Jess thinkin' out loud here. Lynne

Actually we drink wine or grape juice at communion and Jesus said this is my body....not flesh. :D Peace
apogee

climber
Apr 13, 2009 - 08:02pm PT
Jaybro, that is some funny shizzle.
72hw

Trad climber
Pasadena, CA
Apr 13, 2009 - 08:02pm PT
Lynne - you are not making a very good case for me to become a friend of Jesus... jess sayin.

;-)
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Apr 13, 2009 - 08:04pm PT
The communist body count is around 149 million people.

http://www.digitalsurvivors.com/archives/communistbodycount.php

The only “Christian” conflict that makes the Wiki list is the 30 years war with a upper limit of about 11 ˝ million. (probably half that) And this was really a straight nation state political conflict over territory and resources.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_toll

I’m not going to go thru the exercise of weeding out all the duplicates, eliminating the purely political slaughters and adding up the numbers, but I’d bet you can’t come up with a list that is remotely purely “Christian “ that exceeds 15 million from 800to 1700. Only the French religious wars and the Thirty Years war make the list of major conflicts and they only total 10 million between them. Stalin did better than twice that all by himself. The death toll from the Inquisition was 31,000 by some pretty good official record keeping. Most of the toll from the Crusades were Europeans killed by Arabs in Europe, that was around 2 million.

http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat0.htm#30YrW

So, find another myth to flog.
Nefarius

Big Wall climber
Fresno
Apr 13, 2009 - 08:05pm PT
"most of Jesus' close friends were killed in pretty horrific ways."

So were a lot of David Koresh's close friends... A cult is a cult. What's your point?
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