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dirtineye

Trad climber
the south
Topic Author's Original Post - Apr 13, 2009 - 01:36pm PT
...so what to do?

Is he correct about this crap between him n russ?


what's goin on? I'm pretty much in the dark here, but I really don't want to see philo go. I also don't see the need for complete as#@&%ery in the matter.

So anyway, Philo, how about NOT leaving just yet, remember that the loudest voices are not always in the majority, and try no to get carried away. IF your work computer is so important, get a cheapo pc for less than 600 and use that for surfing the net.

And could SOMEONE fill me in on what's up with all this? these drugs make it pretty hard for me to get though a lot of posts, LOL, I need a little help.
Jaybro

Social climber
wuz real!
Apr 13, 2009 - 01:40pm PT
I just read this aloud to my landlord and he's looking into it!
Hardman Knott

Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
Apr 13, 2009 - 01:45pm PT
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.html?topic_id=832131&tn=0&mr=0

(minus the 19 posts Zip deleted to save face)

Edit: Wow - all of Philo's posts in that thread are gone too!)
Jaybro

Social climber
wuz real!
Apr 13, 2009 - 01:47pm PT
Alas,



he was unavailable for comment
atchafalaya

climber
Babylon
Apr 13, 2009 - 01:51pm PT
Long story short... Philo blew a gasket and drama queened out over nothing. Then pulled an overly sensitive exit with a goodbye thread, and lots of typical Philo ranting and raving about nothing. You didnt miss anything...
Hardman Knott

Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
Apr 13, 2009 - 01:53pm PT
Philo's posts were evidently self-deleted as well:

http://www.supertopo.com/forumpostsearch.html?id=Oz44NTQ5OiQ%2C
SteveW

Trad climber
The state of confusion
Apr 13, 2009 - 01:54pm PT
I beg to differ.
Philo had a valid complaint that Russ was bombing
users. You may not agree with what people say
on the taco stand, but one doesn't go out creating problems
for other users that screw up their computers.
If Russ has done this he ought to be banished.
Russ Walling

Gym climber
Vulva, Wyoming
Apr 13, 2009 - 01:57pm PT

I would ban him for life for posting a 5mb photo to a lone thread that was nothing more than an OT link, with the entire post consisting of exactly one URL.


The level of drama here is so over the top, that I must laugh robustly.



Hardman Knott

Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
Apr 13, 2009 - 01:58pm PT
Wow - the "Good Bye!" thread got deleted as well!!!!!!!!!!!1111

http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.html?topic_id=832598&tn=0&mr=0
Dingus Milktoast

climber
Apr 13, 2009 - 02:02pm PT
Banning?! OH MY!!!11111

Look you people... you either have the Lord of Flys (moderators... taliban types with itchy fingers on the delete button)

or you have the Law of the West.

Philo just ran into some old school frontier justice and was frustrated that there was no sheriff to settle the score.

So belay this BANNING BULLSH#T. Russ was here before most any of yall and at the Wreck for years before that.

He's TRIBE. You don't get BANNED from a tribe. Beat out maybe... but not BANNED.

DMT
Hardman Knott

Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
Apr 13, 2009 - 02:04pm PT
Well said, DMT. Well said indeed...
Chaz

Trad climber
Boss Angeles
Apr 13, 2009 - 02:05pm PT
Seems a small price to pay to have available a forum pretty much free of moderation, like this one.
Sewellymon

climber
.....in a single wide......
Apr 13, 2009 - 02:09pm PT
i wanna wanna Philo plz stay stay stay

but yea... all Russ did was get sick and tired of yet another bullsh*t OT thread

Nuke happens

matter of fact, i saved his nuke on my system and may also deploy it sparingly (look out LEB).

Hardman Knott

Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
Apr 13, 2009 - 02:14pm PT
This post still appears in the "Good Bye!" thread (after Philo deleted his posts) because the entire post was quoted in a reply:

Assuming he is serious, he is KNOTT coming back!

April 10th 10:38 pm

I feel you are due an explanation.

This will be my last post on SuperTopo. I will explain but please don't bother asking me to reconsider. I have already deleted my photobucket account and asked Chris Mac to permanently delete all my posts. I will be forwarding him this post directly as well.

First I want to say that I have gained a great deal and enjoyed ST for the past 3+ years. I admire many of you very much and have been enriched by your contributions. I have had some tremendous feedback on my essays and cartoons for which I am eternally grateful. I have also received as many kicks in the face as anyone here because of my outspoken political views particularly regarding the Middle East. That is a very intensely personal issue for me and my family. I know of no other STer who lost 5 family members and 6 friends in the war on Gaza as my wife has. Yet even the rhetoric and direct attacks on me were not a problem. I consider that small price to pay for speaking what I believe is the truth . Certainly I am tough enough to with stand any of those slings and arrows. And I would never leave the TacoStand because my feelings were hurt. But this latest episode goes beyond the pale and I am gone.

I am leaving because of a particularly childish stunt perpetrated by Russ Walling.
In his disdain for and distaste of OT threads he posted jpegs so large as to cause several ST folks' MacBooks and IPhones to crash. Then he proceeded to warn every one off of OT threads by threatening more of the same.
Though I fortunately saw Neebees' warning before opening the offending file this threat directly effects me in many ways.
Over the last 5 years I have spent thousands of dollars on computer equipment repair and replacement. In the last 18 months alone I have had 3 laptops crash and take all of my stuff with them. I am talking about all my photos, art, toons, essays and all of my business, everything. I lost further thousands of additional dollars on lost time for data base rebuilding. As well as penalties for delinquency in corporate tax reporting. All of my computer failures were not from your average worms and viruses but from deliberate malicious external attacks. All were top of the line PC systems. Due to this I had recently switched to a Mac as they were considered safer from attack. And I added an external hard drive as well. Still the work involved is far greater than some would imagine. Then I read WARNINGS of a file on a particular OT thread crashing Macs and IPhones. Russ and several others think this was funny. Trust me I was not amused. I just cannot afford to participate in a forum where any given thread may lose my data or shut me down even for a day. As in climbing there should be an inherent trust between participants. This trust, for me at least, has been broken. Russ' lame "stunt' was perceived by me as a threat to my business as any shut down costs me more than I can recover. And a risk to my creative endeavors as I compose directly in a stream of thought process. It is Impractical to bog down my computer by backing up every minute. It was, for me, the equivalent of trundling a rock when there wer climbers below..
Russ' beef was with OT threads and there in lies the rub. They obviously generate a great deal of attention. I can't imagine the multitudes of hits is a bad thing for CMac and ST. As much as many of them are utter tripe a great many OT threads have real value at least to those who participated. Tarbuster got contacted by OT posters with potentially invaluable medical information. I asked for and got important surgical information. Even though she and I have fought like bad children at times LEB came through for me on that one. Often we here on the Taco have shared condolences for our loses and support for our fears. And all on OT threads. What is wrong with that? Do they get out of hand and drift wildly at times? Of course. Do they get petty and ugly at times? Absolutely. And what is wrong with that? Did any one else out there grow up in a family? Did you at times fight likes bad siblings? Did you come back together for support when tragedy struck or the sh#t hit the fan? Anything wrong with that?
Look at the heading of this page. It clearly states...
SuperTopo Climber’s Forum.
Not SuperTopo Climbing Forum.
It was the diversity of this site that I found so appealing and intriguing. The open opportunity to share, banter and argue with a widely diverse group of tremendously interesting folks from all over the world. It was amazing! Ostensibly what Russ is saying by his words and deeds is that since he doesn't like them everyone else should stay away from OT threads. Well who elected him BlogCzar? I can't risk opening up a thread I may be interested in and watching my screen go black. Can any of you? And if fear keeps us away from dialogue, even unpleasant dialogue, isn't that just a pernicious form of censorship?
So Fare Well all. Phil Broscovak
Nefarius

Big Wall climber
Fresno
Apr 13, 2009 - 02:20pm PT
"I beg to differ.
Philo had a valid complaint that Russ was bombing
users. You may not agree with what people say
on the taco stand, but one doesn't go out creating problems
for other users that screw up their computers.
If Russ has done this he ought to be banished.
"

God damnit! I'm so fed up with hearing this BS, from people who don't know what the f*#k they are talking about. Russ did not do ANY damage to Philo's PC. It's simply not f*#king possible. Hardman's description of the "incident" was pretty much right on.

Maybe one of you "braniacs" would like to explain to me in a technical/scientific way, how it is possible for someone posting a (not so) large picture to a forum to do ANY damage to a PC (or Mac)...

The simple truth is that if ANYTHING happened to Philo's PC, it had nothing to do with Russ, or Philo's having entered that thread. About the worst that could happen is if he (Philo) had a total piece of sh#t computer, or maybe some bad ram or something. The PC would have hung and he'd have had to reboot. If he was too stupid be saving his work as he went and lost work during the reboot, that's kind of his own issue. It also sounds to me like he shouldn't be building his own PC's, as he said he was, over and over, if he keeps having the same issue (over and over). Plain and simple.

You guys whining about what Russ did and supporting some notion that it could damage a PC are clueless and ill advised, and your posts come across as pathetic. Like an overly protective parent. Let poor wittle Phiwo fight his own battles and stand up on his own two feet. It's unfortunate that you guys can't see through someone who obviously didn't get enough attention when they were little and the *real* reasons behind their need to post some dramatic, soap opera bullsh#t, in order to get more attention before they "leave". Rest assured, as with all of the other "Poor me, nobody wuvs me, I'm running away from home!" threads, Philo will be back.

edit: And if you have hardware/OS that isn't capable of loading a 5Mb image, you don't *deserve* to be online. The days of Lynx and text based Internet are over, bitches!
Hardman Knott

Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
Apr 13, 2009 - 02:21pm PT
Nefarius - I might have to come to your slide-show so I can buy you a beer...

(ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!1111)
Nefarius

Big Wall climber
Fresno
Apr 13, 2009 - 02:25pm PT
I accept beers!

Uh oh, does this mean Jerry has locked me in for a date already?! Yikes! Guess I better get moving!
Mike Bolte

Trad climber
Planet Earth
Apr 13, 2009 - 02:42pm PT
hmmm - reading Philo's post (reposted up there), he doesn't claim at all that the Fish Big Pics crashed his computer. All those lost files were from other crashes. The man has bad luck or bad practices it seems. It is the *idea* that Russ can post Big Pics with evil intentions that Philo got worked up about.
Nefarius

Big Wall climber
Fresno
Apr 13, 2009 - 02:47pm PT
You're a bit late to the party...

Not only did he claim, time and time again, that Russ crahsed his computer and damaged his hardware, he also claimed to be calling the feds on Russ. He was adamant that Russ committed a crime and was going to visited by the feds. It was pretty pathetic.
Mike Bolte

Trad climber
Planet Earth
Apr 13, 2009 - 02:58pm PT
I think the feds should be called on russ for sure.

edit. yup - all of those below plus the NIAD
Kofi Donny Annan

climber
darkest of africa
Apr 13, 2009 - 03:01pm PT
FBI? CIA? DEA? ATF? WTF? LEB? T*R?
Nefarius

Big Wall climber
Fresno
Apr 13, 2009 - 03:05pm PT
"I think the feds should be called on russ for sure... "

I posted the contact info for the FBI's computer crime taskforce in the thread. Feel free to go copy it down and make your play.
Dingus Milktoast

climber
Apr 13, 2009 - 03:23pm PT
I wonder how many 'He posted a big picture to my thread' criminal conspiracy theories the FBI wades through on a daily basis?

How many Microsoft Features (read - BUGS!) have caused escalations of the national threat level??? Provoked criminal reports?

I also wonder how many folks think they are being attacked, report it and then get busted for doing something entirely unrelated, but illegal, on their PC?

Who knows what horrors lurk in those files? The Shadow knows....

DMT
survival

Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
Apr 13, 2009 - 03:35pm PT
Nefarious,

Nowhere did I see a post by philo where he claimed time and again that "Russ" crashed his computer. Not once. He did say he had computer crashes, but he never claimed that they were caused by Russ. What he said was that he would not participate in a forum where the possibility existed.

I've got no beef with Russ, he's a friend of mine.

But now you're making sh*t up about what Phil said.
Belay that.

"Over the last 5 years I have spent thousands of dollars on computer equipment repair and replacement. In the last 18 months alone I have had 3 laptops crash and take all of my stuff with them. I am talking about all my photos, art, toons, essays and all of my business, everything. I lost further thousands of additional dollars on lost time for data base rebuilding. As well as penalties for delinquency in corporate tax reporting. All of my computer failures were not from your average worms and viruses but from deliberate malicious external attacks."

It does NOT say Russ did it.
Nefarius

Big Wall climber
Fresno
Apr 13, 2009 - 03:39pm PT
Well, since you're accusing me of making sh#t up, which is really convenient, since Philo deleted all of his posts, and since you obviously have NO CLUE WTF you are talking about, I humbly ask that you pipe down.

Suck that.

edit: Uh, nice edit... But you still don't know WTF you are talking about.

Philo most definitely accused Russ, MANY times. If you weren't there, real time, as they were being posted, you wouldn't know, as Philo got all Rokjox and started going back and editing all of his posts. Then he finally took the big plunge and deleted all of his posts and bailed.
Nefarius

Big Wall climber
Fresno
Apr 13, 2009 - 03:53pm PT
Maybe. But I think threatening to call the feds on someone and adamantly claiming they've committed a crime, because the posted a picture, is pretty harsh. No matter what's going on in your life. Can't expect someone to not respond to that, now can ya?
Hardman Knott

Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
Apr 13, 2009 - 03:56pm PT
Survival - he might knott have stated it implicitly, but he most certainly implied it...

Belay this:

(excerpted verbatim from 6 separate posts)
---------------------------------------------------------

1. "But to maliciously screw with folks computers is infantile at best and a violation of federal law at worst. Look out Russ you might get a visit from some grumpy feds"

2. "Everything I have from art and essays to my business is on my laptop. If it had happened to me I would be booking the first flight out to have a "chat" with asshat!"

3. "If my new computer crashes because of your malicious joke I am coming for you even if I only have one leg to stand on!"

4. "I already reported this to CMac and have a already got the number for the FBI in hand.

Do you really want the FBI to be scrutinizing this site and it's posters?"


5. "When you deliberately cause harm to a users computer then you HAVE committed a crime!"

6. "The loss of even one persons tax data will be a big concern to the FEDS.
Russ is playing with fire like a little child. He will get burned!

Russ you knowingly, deliberately and maliciously caused the crashing of several peoples systems.
That IS a crime!
Got the phone in my hand big guy. Balls in your court!"

---------------------------------------------------------


If that's knott enough, that was just the beginning...
Nefarius

Big Wall climber
Fresno
Apr 13, 2009 - 03:57pm PT
Dude, we're gonna be drunk after my slideshow. :)
Dingus Milktoast

climber
Apr 13, 2009 - 03:58pm PT
The Oracle knows.

And we all know The Shadow knows.

And if we didn't know it before we all know it now...

Hardman Knott Knows too.

This too shall pass. But not before Knotty archives it.

hehe

DMT
Mighty Hiker

Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Apr 13, 2009 - 03:58pm PT
If causing computers to crash is a criminal or terrorist activity, Bill Gates and Microsoft are in big trouble.
Lovegasoline

Trad climber
Sh#t Hole, Brooklyn, NY
Apr 13, 2009 - 04:13pm PT
Did I knott get the memo? Is there a parallel universe out there, where people do not responsibly back up their computers then tweak out thinking the FBI somehow cares?
Jaybro

Social climber
wuz real!
Apr 13, 2009 - 04:14pm PT
The guy has to work it off somewhere, we're here for him.
mdavid

Big Wall climber
CA, CO, TX
Apr 13, 2009 - 04:29pm PT
I feel sorry for the poor guy at the fbi who has to wade through these "reports"....
Dingus Milktoast

climber
Apr 13, 2009 - 04:33pm PT
Never feel sorry for the guy at the FBI.

DMT
blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Apr 13, 2009 - 04:35pm PT
The reason I started reading this site is to get good climbing stories/history from guys doing interesting things BITD.
I think philo has posted some really interesting climbing stories and is part of what makes this is a (sometimes) geat site.
Yeah, he's a bit nuts in some respects (just basing this on what he writes--no idea what he's like in real life).
But it seems like maybe he could get a "pass" regarding his strange behavior, especially if he is about to lose a leg, rather than getting cyberbullied.
Edit: Lovesgasoline--you and others who agree with you are tough nuts to crack, no doubt about it! Philo's stuff is *so* over the top that I can't believe anyone really takes is seriously (the thought that the FBI would care about this is comically absurd). I'm just preaching a little compassion to someone who is/was out there getting it done on the rocks.
Lovegasoline

Trad climber
Sh#t Hole, Brooklyn, NY
Apr 13, 2009 - 04:45pm PT
The thing BlahBlah, is that it is all in HIS head. Nobody bullied him!

On the other hand, I've seen him unrelentingly bully and stalk LEB, second to non other than Locker (who probably has a valid excuse in that he sniffs so much glue). Whatever opinion you hold of LEB, the stalking is purely voluntary.

Then there are crazy Hamas lovefest rants/Zionist conspiracy threads also unrelenting.

Now the FBI/computer rant.

This is just from what I've seen in passing.

And what is with the title of this thread, an apparent emailing campaign? One can only imagine. So now he is in the field encouraging emissaries to participate in and advocate his lunacy?

Now a leg thrown into the mix?

He reads like a professional victim.

What's next?

....
Lovegasoline

Trad climber
Sh#t Hole, Brooklyn, NY
Apr 13, 2009 - 06:21pm PT
BlahBlah:
Serious or not serious, that endless repeated OCD spew pollutes the forum more than anything does. It sh|ts the bed here. Nukes go out when things have TOTALLY sh|t the bed. At least that’s the way things have been in recent years.

Indirectly, Russ’s Nuke was likely a message delivered in a powerful manner – that the level of pollution on Supertopo was spiraling beyond control and had reached CRITICAL MASS. The point is that relentless vehement polluters should take a hint and reel in the non-climbing-lunatic-maniacal-ranting-OCD-quasi stalker behavior and/or get back on their meds…or take a hike. It is more effective than 100 separate threads each with over 300 posts on the subject, replicating into infinity…which only serves to feed the behavior.

Although I doubt the Nuke was aimed at Philo (if it was, it would have been one of Philo’s threads nuked, no? ) he embraced the collateral message and he seems to have taken the point. Philo wasn't chased off Supertopo by anyone: his behavior is self-correcting. Which is all anyone asks of Nukes.

No computers were broken in this corrective measure. Now we wait and see what the effects are (history has shown that sometimes more than one Nuke is needed to get the job done). They do something similar in Yosemite: they Nuke the underbrush so new growth can occur... and everyone bitches and moans about the smoke. The great trees are still standing on Supertopo and will grow taller still; new trees will take root, and saplings will soon soar....thanks to some underbrush being cleared away. Someone's gotta do it.


PS: FYI, the FBI were behind it from the start.



WBraun

climber
Apr 13, 2009 - 07:00pm PT
That's right, the gasoline man has it right.

Philo obviously has little or no computer knowledge. Otherwise he would not have said the nonsense he was trying to attribute per Russ's nuke bomb jpeg.

He was attributing all his past and present present computer/personal problems on Russ. He totally snapped.

Back your sh'it up. Here's the hard drives in my computer for your entertainment, rolls eyes.


Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Apr 13, 2009 - 07:02pm PT
Yes an over-reaction to be sure.

But I still maintain that if any wannabe anarchist feels its OK to nuke a thread because they don't like the topic discussed that it has a chilling effect on the discourse. I'd be less likely to make the effort to compose something if its just going to be nuked.

Am I way off here?
WBraun

climber
Apr 13, 2009 - 07:04pm PT
Russ didn't nuke any thread Ron.

Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Apr 13, 2009 - 07:06pm PT
Huh?
Lovegasoline

Trad climber
Sh#t Hole, Brooklyn, NY
Apr 13, 2009 - 07:19pm PT
Ron, Nukes are generally not used gratuitously, carelessly or casually.
They are not placed in the hands of maniacs. If used irresponsibly by raging OCD stalker/ranters, I'd expect that the said maniacs would be harshly chased out of here permanently. Your concern is like fear of a nuclear winter... though the potential exists, it is improbable and life goes on, people on this globe still pump their little ol' hearts out into projects for the future.

It is business as usual around here, put forth your content and do not live in fear of being nuked. You have more to fear from the standard issue thread ©rappers, thread deleters, and hijacking lunatics.
WBraun

climber
Apr 13, 2009 - 07:23pm PT
Majid nuked his original thread that started it all. It was a thread started by Majid about some fiber optic cable in the southern end of the Bay Area, right after Russ posted on a different thread ranting about off topic bullsh'it.

Russ came into Majid's thread and blasted Majid for starting the fiber optic sabotage thread. Russ was kinda bent at that point, LOL. It was kinda funny to watch.

Then a little later Russ throws jpeg files into majids thread. They loaded no problem for me, but the next day Kathy's (Blinny) older mac with a lot of applications open crashed most likely due to low resources/ram (memory).

Next zip crashed, then Karen and then Philo flipped at what happened to them.

Then world war three started .........

But Russ never nuked any threads. To nuke a thread you have to delete the thread by the op or by admin.
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Apr 13, 2009 - 07:31pm PT
Understood everything except the last sentence.
Lovegasoline

Trad climber
Sh#t Hole, Brooklyn, NY
Apr 13, 2009 - 07:34pm PT
I always took the placement of a super-large image of a nuclear blast, or similar, as 'Nuking' a thread.
However, I admit that I was not a witness to this particular one, as described by Werner above.
John Moosie

climber
Beautiful California
Apr 13, 2009 - 07:35pm PT
I am pretty certain that Russ did nuke a thread, if nuking means posting a gigantic picture. EDIT: Just saw you explanation Werner. .... It caused zip's computer to freeze and he lost some tax info that he was working on. Russ apologized and now him and Zip seem to be cool.

Philo on the other hand lost it and ranted a bit and then quit the taco stand. Personally I wish that he wouldn't quit, but I do understand the stress that he is under and figure a short break would be useful. ( If you don't know the stress that he is under, he is contemplating having is leg amputated because of an old climbing injury and his wife lost five family members in Gaza during the recent hostilities with Israel. )

I also think anyone who got worked up over what Philo said needs a checkup themselves. Russ certainly didn't get worked up. If you couldn't figure out that Philo has been a bit emotional lately and not completely rational because of the difficulties that he has been facing, then you must not be paying attention. Do you folks give up on friends who throw hissy fits on climbs when they are stressed to the max? I bet most of the time you don't and I bet everyone has at least one tale to tell, though I am certain that Russ and Werner have never thrown hissy fits. I don't think they would know how.

Sure, if the person is constantly throwing hissy fits you might want to cut the rope, but most of the time Philo has been cool and I bet that there are plenty of folks here who would rope up with him.

They just might want to avoid talking about Israel with him. :-)

Just messing with you Philo. Get your sense of humor and your sense of adventure back and come on back to the taco, because the taco certainly is an adventure and it needs a good sense of humor to handle it well and I know that you have these things, because I have seen them. For instance, I want to hear why it took you four months to be evacuated from Africa after you trashed your leg. Whats up with that? Come on man. Tell us the story. Did they toss you in jail with a pygmy lesbian hooker? What happened man? Inquiring minds want to know.
Nefarius

Big Wall climber
Fresno
Apr 13, 2009 - 07:38pm PT
"To nuke a thread you have to delete the thread by the op or by admin."

I thought it was fixed so that if the OP removes the original post that the rest of the thread would remain...?
Hankster

Trad climber
Eldorado Springs, CO
Apr 13, 2009 - 07:38pm PT
Philo would tell the story Moosie, but then he would have to nuke it based on principle.

Caylor
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Apr 13, 2009 - 07:41pm PT
So,... he was in the Congo basin? LOL
WBraun

climber
Apr 13, 2009 - 07:41pm PT
Randy

Yes that's true, but the original idea was presented/implied that Russ nuked a thread.

He couldn't nuke any threads ...... not possible. The whole thread has to be gone.

What's left after a Nuclear explosion?
John Moosie

climber
Beautiful California
Apr 13, 2009 - 07:41pm PT
Haha... I just want to know if there was a pygmy lesbian hooker involved. They make everything look SOOOOO BIG.
Nefarius

Big Wall climber
Fresno
Apr 13, 2009 - 07:42pm PT
Hmmm... OK. So we say he JPEG'd a thread? :)
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Apr 13, 2009 - 07:42pm PT
Well they might IF they were interested.
John Moosie

climber
Beautiful California
Apr 13, 2009 - 07:42pm PT
Werner, Lots of people now consider a nuke to be any effort to slow up the thread and make it difficult to read. Not just getting rid of the thread.
WBraun

climber
Apr 13, 2009 - 07:44pm PT
Well they're wrong.

Then call it something else and not Nuke.

After a nuclear explosion what's left?
susan peplow

climber
www.joshuatreevacationhomes.com
Apr 13, 2009 - 07:45pm PT
I don't know about those nukes but we are in the middle of a fire fight against those guyswith Black suits and shades here at the compound, gee thanks, Philo.
Jaybro hiding behind the Sooze' computer
John Moosie

climber
Beautiful California
Apr 13, 2009 - 07:49pm PT
Aw shoot. Yall should have enough fire power.


So what should we call a super large picture? or



!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!....Edit. ( this was really really long, which makes you have to scroll to read anything, which makes it really hard to read posts. There you go Werner. Now what do we call these things? )

Which I have used on occasion,
in moments of super frustration with she who must not be named.
She certainly got my goat a few times. haha
WBraun

climber
Apr 13, 2009 - 07:51pm PT
See that's what happens.

Now go back and fix it and be a good Moosie .....
WBraun

climber
Apr 13, 2009 - 08:04pm PT
Moosie

I see it as an attempt at disruption. It's a form of "fuking" with someone.

Our world is so perfect ....... hahahaha
John Moosie

climber
Beautiful California
Apr 13, 2009 - 08:10pm PT
" It's a form of "fuking" with someone."

Exactly.

( which Philo had a hard time dealing with at this point. Who could fully blame him? Sure he might have taken it a bit far. So what. Who hasn't taken something a bit far? )


So what do we call this form of screwing with someone? Who has a good name?

squishy

Mountain climber
sacramento
Apr 13, 2009 - 09:01pm PT
Large pictures may take long to load in forums, depending on your connection speed, but I do not know of a way to crash macs using pictures. If so, it would be Apple's blame and no one else's. I read the letter above, don't know the guy, but it sounds like a classic case of "I'm taking my ball home". Happens all the time on forums, people need to learn what forums are for, and investing emotion in them is the last thing you should do...just take the sand out of your vagina and suck it up...
squishy

Mountain climber
sacramento
Apr 13, 2009 - 09:03pm PT
Traditionally, posts with giant pictures, or possible slow load times for any reason were labeled with a "56k warning", it is still useful in the absents of 56k modems...
Hankster

Trad climber
Eldorado Springs, CO
Apr 13, 2009 - 10:07pm PT
Squishy, believe me when I say that you have more sand in your vagina than Phil has ever walked on. Phil was a groomsman at both my weddings and is my business partner (we are both Electrical Contractors). If ya'll new what a cool dude he is nobody would be hating like this at all.

His only fault with anything he does or says on the internet or life is the fact that he is very sensitive about most things he does, thinks and says. His wife has family in the Middle East getting blown to bits, he's had 7 or 8 knee surgeries that completely ended his wicked climbing career, the leg will probably be amputated at the knee in the next few weeks and he has 3 kids and a foreign exchange student he takes care of. I think the guy who was working on his taxes when his computer melted pushed him away from the Taco. Werner, I respect you like you can't believe, but there is a whole thread dedicated to people who had their computer f*#ked up by that.

With the loss of his leg, he plans on working with the Paradox Crew, a Foundation started by Malcolm Daly dedicated to helping amputees, kids, grownups, hell anyone who unfortunately had their dreams sidelined by amputations. Try to see the forest for the trees folks. Stress happens, no need to pile on.

Caylor
WBraun

climber
Apr 13, 2009 - 10:40pm PT
Hank I saw that thread that claimed Russ's nuke bomb jpeg messed up their computer.

I've already ad nauseam commented on that along with others.

My comments were not to defend or offend the actions here but try to remain as a commentary observer to the events as they unfolded.

Some of the accusations were outright incorrect and therefore I commented. The jpeg file Russ posted was clean. Philo still vehemently over reacted regardless. That is in itself his right.

For him to over react over something like this and to actually delete all his post history and Photobucket account seemed on the verge of extreme hysterical proportion.

Nobody wanted him gone especially not me.

Primary victims of buffer overflow were Blinny, zip and Karen.

Anyone else?
wildone

climber
GHOST TOWN
Apr 13, 2009 - 11:05pm PT
Save the drama for your mama.
wildone

climber
GHOST TOWN
Apr 13, 2009 - 11:06pm PT
actually I like phil, but I don't have an opinion on the matter. Carry on.
Studly

Trad climber
WA
Apr 13, 2009 - 11:10pm PT
I think we are all victims in our own way.
BooYah

Social climber
Ruby Range
Apr 13, 2009 - 11:57pm PT
Wouldn't Lesbian Pygmy Hookers' business be self limiting, by definition?
locker

Trad climber
Joshua Tree Ca
Apr 13, 2009 - 11:58pm PT
I've obviously NOT be paying much attention (what's new???)...

JUST realized this evening that Philo MAY loose a leg...



PHILO...

real SORRY to hear it dude...

also HOPE that you'll CONTINUE to hang in here...

I've been BOOTED and KICKED AROUND a lot here on the...

"SuperTopo CLIMBERS Forum"...

Annoying at times...

But pretty much PAINLESS...

;-)






EDIT:

I did not get an EMAIL from Philo...

Had I...

I would have let him know that it SUCKS to be losing a CLIMBER from a CLIMBERS FORUM...



nita

climber
chica from chico, I don't claim to be a daisy
Apr 14, 2009 - 12:20am PT
Hankster, Thank you for your post.





W,add me to the list...prolly others.
Jennie

Trad climber
Idaho Falls
Apr 14, 2009 - 12:32am PT
Locker,

Some aren't getting e-mail through the ST email system. I didn't get one from Philo either and I don't receive emails from other members, now.

You may want to try sending yourself an e-mail to see if you're in the same category.
graniteclimber

Trad climber
Nowhere
Apr 14, 2009 - 12:41am PT
"Well, since you're accusing me of making sh#t up, which is really convenient, since Philo deleted all of his posts, and since you obviously have NO CLUE WTF you are talking about, I humbly ask that you pipe down.

Suck that."

Nefarious, sorry but Mike Bolte and Survival got it right.
The user formerly known as stzzo

climber
Sneaking up behind you
Apr 14, 2009 - 12:59am PT
Try to see the forest for the trees folks. Stress happens, no need to pile on.

Hankster, your post was one of the best I've read in years - or more.
survival

Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
Apr 14, 2009 - 01:02am PT
Hankster,

I was really glad to see your post. I wish you had seen the one I put on Phil's goodbye thread. I'll repeat the crux of it.

Phil came through for us last summer, and gave people he didn't know his wheels for our Bandito reunion tour. He saved us thousands of dollars. Because of him we had gas and mead aplenty for our trip. He can share my food and as survival instructors like Ouch! have said since the 50's "Drink from the same cup."

granite,
Thanks. I think Nefarius was beat up as a kid on the playground, so now he thinks that bullying people is the way to communicate.
JuanDeFuca

Big Wall climber
Stoney Point
Apr 14, 2009 - 01:07am PT
I have a 12" penis
locker

Trad climber
Joshua Tree Ca
Apr 14, 2009 - 01:10am PT
this place is ALMOST as fun as Todd Gordons ORIGINAL "Forum"...

That had to be one of the fastest paced "SLAMFESTS" ever...

LOADS of FUN!!!...
John Moosie

climber
Beautiful California
Apr 14, 2009 - 01:17am PT
Juan, I don't know why, but your post busted me up.

I hope Philo makes it through this next round of surgeries. I think that he overreacted, but I don't care. I actually laughed my ass off the first time I saw Russ' photo bomb and I downloaded it on dialup. It took something like 3 hours to download, but it was worth it. Just for the shear magnitude of it. Maybe I have a warped sense of humor. Yep.. I'm pretty certain that I have a warped sense of humor. That is probably why I like the taco.
survival

Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
Apr 14, 2009 - 01:28am PT
I also thought Phil overreacted, and I told him so personally in an email. But I told him in a calm measured way and didn't piss him off at all.

Russ certainly did not set out to get Phil or anyone in particular.

I have been as distressed as anyone about the quantity and quality of OT stuff here as of late.
Nefarius

Big Wall climber
Fresno
Apr 14, 2009 - 01:40am PT
"Nefarious, sorry but Mike Bolte and Survival got it right."

"Thanks. I think Nefarius was beat up as a kid on the playground, so now he thinks that bullying people is the way to communicate.
"

Granite, survival, et al...

Whatever. No one here was bullied by me, period. When you come on here and flat out lie, then call me a liar, you are simply either clueless, weren't there as it went down, or are being a dick to back up your bro. You take your pick, cause, personally, I really don't care which it is.

All this pouring out of emotion for Phil is great and all. However, just because someone is going through a tough time, doesn't give them the right to throw a full-on tantrum, threaten people, etc. over and over, and not expect people to respond.

I honestly don't give a f*#k what you wankers think, nor about your claims that Philo never said, nor implied, that Russ damaged his computer and that he was calling the Feds on Russ for doing so. I tried to talk sense to him for a number of posts, over an hour or two, as he did so. I'm SURE it doesn't matter that someone re-posted just a few of his posts that did so, right?

So, on the contrary, I'd say it's more about a few of you, coming out here and perpetuating a lie, and calling me a liar, that are actually not only attempting to bully *me*, but also gang up on me in an attempt to do so. Whatever. To that, I simply have to say, "f*#k you, asshats". I'm sorry if you want to believe your incredibly unstable friend who went back and edited a number of his posts before deleting them all, but he did, in fact, make those accusations and threaten actions against someone for posting a picture on an Internet forum. Lame as that is, it happened. Sorry if that hurts...

The group of you are so f*#king illogical that, simply out of frustration, I'm about to post that f*#king picture multiple times, in each of these threads talking about it. If it causes any number of lying, illogical whining wankers to bail, then so be it. Seriously.

edit: which means, it's time to step away from this. I have other things do anyway. You guys have fun.
Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Apr 14, 2009 - 01:50am PT
I'm not close enough to the situation to make any comments or assign any blame. I figure we should all just learn to get along, except where we're not getting along, in which case, we flame and explain and work things out until we start getting along again.

That said, FYI, for some reason, even with DSL and a new top o the line Mac, that picture Russ posted crashed my machine and I had to force restart the whole thing

Don't know how or why cause a large file shouldn't have done that, but hey, what do i know about every computer nuance.

Peace

Karl
Hardman Knott

Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
Apr 14, 2009 - 01:53am PT
I'm SURE it doesn't matter that someone re-posted just a few of his posts that did so, right?

Well, since this took a whopping 5 minutes to complie, I might as well get the most out of it...

(excerpted verbatim from 6 separate posts)
---------------------------------------------------------

1. "But to maliciously screw with folks computers is infantile at best and a violation of federal law at worst. Look out Russ you might get a visit from some grumpy feds"

2. "Everything I have from art and essays to my business is on my laptop. If it had happened to me I would be booking the first flight out to have a "chat" with asshat!"

3. "If my new computer crashes because of your malicious joke I am coming for you even if I only have one leg to stand on!"

4. "I already reported this to CMac and have a already got the number for the FBI in hand.

Do you really want the FBI to be scrutinizing this site and it's posters?"


5. "When you deliberately cause harm to a users computer then you HAVE committed a crime!"

6. "The loss of even one persons tax data will be a big concern to the FEDS.
Russ is playing with fire like a little child. He will get burned!

Russ you knowingly, deliberately and maliciously caused the crashing of several peoples systems.
That IS a crime!
Got the phone in my hand big guy. Balls in your court!"

---------------------------------------------------------


If that's knott enough, that was just the beginning...


Karl - how long did you wait before you came to the determination that the computer "crashed"?
(be honest)
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Apr 14, 2009 - 01:59am PT
Aw give it a rest!

You're gonna make me sympathize with the guy if you keep it up.
He has enough problems.
Stop behaving like 3 year olds.
graniteclimber

Trad climber
Nowhere
Apr 14, 2009 - 02:01am PT
Mike Bolte wrote, "hmmm - reading Philo's post (reposted up there), he doesn't claim at all that the Fish Big Pics crashed his computer. All those lost files were from other crashes. The man has bad luck or bad practices it seems. It is the *idea* that Russ can post Big Pics with evil intentions that Philo got worked up about."

survival wrote, "Nefarious, Nowhere did I see a post by philo where he claimed time and again that "Russ" crashed his computer. Not once. He did say he had computer crashes, but he never claimed that they were caused by Russ. What he said was that he would not participate in a forum where the possibility existed."

They are both correct.

When you come on here and flat out lie, then call me a liar, you are simply either clueless, weren't there as it went down, or are being a dick to back up your bro. You take your pick, cause, personally, I really don't care which it is."

Nobody is calling you a liar, but you misread or misremember.
graniteclimber

Trad climber
Nowhere
Apr 14, 2009 - 02:05am PT
Thanks for posting that Hardman Knott.

"If it had happened to me I would be booking the first flight out to have a "chat" with asshat!"

"If my new computer crashes because of your malicious joke I am coming for you even if I only have one leg to stand on!"


"If" means that it had not happened yet.

Philo did not say that Russ crashed his computer--it was possibility that it could happen that put him over the edge. He wanted to call the FBI because he thought Russ had "crashed" other people's computers.

Edit: I posted the same image here and no one complained about it crashing their computers.

http://supertopo.com/climbing/thread.html?topic_id=366282&msg=831779#msg831779

When is someone going to call the FBI on me?
Hardman Knott

Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
Apr 14, 2009 - 02:09am PT
Perhaps you missed this part?

Russ you knowingly, deliberately and maliciously caused the crashing of several peoples systems.
That IS a crime!
Got the phone in my hand big guy. Balls in your court!"
WBraun

climber
Apr 14, 2009 - 02:14am PT
I'd like to know why suddenly peoples machines locked up this time and not in the past. These monster nuke photos have been injected here before in the past by various individuals.

No one reported any crash then?

Suddenly ... this time around with the same file, why?

Too many other applications open like Blinny revealed?

More Macs than Pc's being reported?

Do macs suffer buffer overflows on their browsers due to mac os x operating system easier?

Am I and idiot for asking stupid questions?

What else is new .....
graniteclimber

Trad climber
Nowhere
Apr 14, 2009 - 02:14am PT
"Perhaps you missed this part?

Russ you knowingly, deliberately and maliciously caused the crashing of several peoples systems.
That IS a crime!
Got the phone in my hand big guy. Balls in your court!"
"

No I didn't miss it. As I said, he wanted to call the FBI because he thought Russ had "crashed" other people's computers. At no time did he say that Russ had crashed his own computer.
Hardman Knott

Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
Apr 14, 2009 - 02:17am PT
Why are you guys acting as apologists for stunningly bizarre, irrational behavior?

You're quite a clique, I suppose...
locker

Trad climber
Joshua Tree Ca
Apr 14, 2009 - 02:18am PT
"However, just because someone is going through a tough time, doesn't give them the right to throw a full-on tantrum, threaten people, etc. over and over, and not expect people to respond."...


"CUD" THAT really happen???...


CAN'T imagine...









EDIT:

"Why are you guys acting as apologists for stunningly bizarre, irrational behavior?"...



WILD GUESS...


COMPASSION???...
Hardman Knott

Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
Apr 14, 2009 - 02:20am PT
We're responding because we're BULIIES, Locker...

Edit: I hereby vow to be more COMPASSIONATE the next time someone totally loses it on the internet for the world to see...
LuckyPink

climber
the last bivy
Apr 14, 2009 - 02:22am PT
give both parties the benefit of the doubt.. perhaps both parties were hammered at the time of rant
graniteclimber

Trad climber
Nowhere
Apr 14, 2009 - 02:23am PT
"Why are you guys acting as apologists for stunningly bizarre, irrational behavior?"

You think that's defending him!? If I'm right, and I know I am, it means that his behaviour is even more stunningly bizarre and irrational than Nefarious realizes!

If Philo thought (even wrongly) that Russ had crashed his computer, it would be easier to understand why he got so upset. But he got so upset and nothing had even happened to his own computer!
Hardman Knott

Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
Apr 14, 2009 - 02:28am PT
LuckPink wrote:

give both parties the benefit of the doubt.. perhaps both parties were hammered at the time of rant


LOL!!

If they were hammered at 1:00 in the afternoon, God bless 'em...
graniteclimber

Trad climber
Nowhere
Apr 14, 2009 - 02:34am PT
Is Nefarious the next to say "Good bye?"
locker

Trad climber
Joshua Tree Ca
Apr 14, 2009 - 02:38am PT
"Edit: I hereby vow to be more COMPASSIONATE the next time someone totally loses it on the internet for the world to see..."...



"Archived"...(that really DOESN'T look correctly spelled)...
graniteclimber

Trad climber
Nowhere
Apr 14, 2009 - 02:41am PT
What's with all the deleted posts in this thread?
locker

Trad climber
Joshua Tree Ca
Apr 14, 2009 - 02:43am PT
"Is Nefarious the next to say "Good bye?"..."...

hopefully not...

This keeps up and ALL that will be left will be you, Granite,
Werner, Karl and Lois...

But maybe THAT's the...

"PLAN"...

hmmm...



EDIT:

I can STILL see it and it STILL get's me laughing...

"one Adam Bluto"...

Russ meant NO HARM...

JUST being...

RUSS...

and that's a "GUD" thing...





UNFORTUNATE that it happened as it did...




graniteclimber

Trad climber
Nowhere
Apr 14, 2009 - 02:47am PT
Dthat iss de PLAN.



locker

Trad climber
Joshua Tree Ca
Apr 14, 2009 - 02:51am PT
ROFL!!!...

Right on response...
John Moosie

climber
Beautiful California
Apr 14, 2009 - 02:53am PT
I'll stand by you if you can find me a lesbian pygmy hooker.


No wait. I was just kidding. really.. I forgot that you have OCD and will probably find me all 26.7 of them and I don't really want one. REALLY !!!


Please.. no.. Don't do it Hardman. I was just joking.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACCCCCKKKKK
locker

Trad climber
Joshua Tree Ca
Apr 14, 2009 - 02:55am PT


...

Such a GREAT Movie...

Lovegasoline

Trad climber
Sh#t Hole, Brooklyn, NY
Apr 14, 2009 - 03:04am PT
Back on topic, and to the TITLE OF THIS THREAD....and the first lines of the OP's post:

"I bet some of yo ugot an email from Philo......so what to do?

Is he correct about this crap between him n russ?"


If there's nothing between Philo and Russ, what the hell kind of emails is Philo sending out? Sounds like he is stoking the fires while his supporters are denying any of this is happening. It just gets weirder. One can only imagine what kind of emails the FBI is getting pounded with.

I don't have a deeper background with Philo and I only know him from his postings on a few dozen threads and they are mostly vehement LEB stalking, interminably insane Hamas Lovefests/Zionist Conspiracy rants, then the FBI computer paranoia, now an email campaign. I'm sorry to hear he has a leg injury but the composite picture I am getting is of a paranoid tweaker.





graniteclimber

Trad climber
Nowhere
Apr 14, 2009 - 03:05am PT


"No more then 10 to 20 million killed, tops!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgyjlqhiTV8
locker

Trad climber
Joshua Tree Ca
Apr 14, 2009 - 03:09am PT
is the FBI thing a "TROLL" or not???...

No one REALLY considered INVOLVING the FBI...

RIGHT???...

I can't IMAGINE the FBI giving a sh!t...

Would they???...

ALL RUSS did was post a large photo...

Why would the FBI give a FUK???...


I'm LOST...

graniteclimber

Trad climber
Nowhere
Apr 14, 2009 - 03:10am PT
"Oh YES, General TURGIDson is here, but I'm afraid he can't come to the phone at the moment."





General "Buck" Turgidson: Doctor, you mentioned the ratio of ten women to each man. Now, wouldn't that necessitate the abandonment of the so-called monogamous sexual relationship, I mean, as far as men were concerned?

Dr. Strangelove: Regrettably, yes. But it is, you know, a sacrifice required for the future of the human race. I hasten to add that since each man will be required to do prodigious... service along these lines, the women will have to be selected for their sexual characteristics which will have to be of a highly stimulating nature.

Ambassador de Sadesky: I must confess, you have an astonishingly good idea there, Doctor.
graniteclimber

Trad climber
Nowhere
Apr 14, 2009 - 03:11am PT
A week from now we will find out that this was all a very elaborate practical joke by Philo, I hope?
Hardman Knott

Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
Apr 14, 2009 - 03:14am PT
I have no doubt he's reading each and every post, despite his being "gone"...
Lovegasoline

Trad climber
Sh#t Hole, Brooklyn, NY
Apr 14, 2009 - 03:15am PT
This is what happens when they put Fluoride in our drinking water.


Fluoride Inspired Product Development Edit: Howsabout Russ collects some of Philo's tastier LEB/Zionist/Russ rants and prints them en-mass in a big all-over pattern label for his pooptube....like Dr. Bronner's soap? Addle people's minds way up on the Captain.

locker

Trad climber
Joshua Tree Ca
Apr 14, 2009 - 03:20am PT
probably NOT a JOKE...

Would be a "GUD" one IF it WAS though...

WISH it was...

then Philo wouldn't be on the brink of losing a LIMB...

Wonder how I "WUD" feel if I thought my LIFE was going to CHANGE...

THAT much...







EDIT:

"I have no doubt he's reading each and every post, despite his being "gone"..."...

Not so sure about that...

IF he TRULY believes that opening the threads here would screw his computer up...

and THAT is the REAL reason he LEFT...

WHY "WUD" he STILL be OPENING the...

THREAT???...

But you NEVER know...

"CUD" be...












STRANGE EDIT:

...
graniteclimber

Trad climber
Nowhere
Apr 14, 2009 - 03:26am PT
General Jack D. Ripper: Mandrake, do you realize that in addition to fluoridating water, why, there are studies underway to fluoridate salt, flour, fruit juices, soup, sugar, milk... ice cream. Ice cream, Mandrake, children's ice cream.
Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: Lord, Jack.
General Jack D. Ripper: You know when fluoridation first began?
Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: I... no, no. I don't, Jack.
General Jack D. Ripper: Nineteen hundred and forty-six. Nineteen forty-six, Mandrake. How does that coincide with your post-war Commie conspiracy, huh? It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hard-core Commie works.
Jaybro

Social climber
wuz real!
Apr 14, 2009 - 03:39am PT
I deny them my essence.
locker

Trad climber
Joshua Tree Ca
Apr 14, 2009 - 03:43am PT
"My precious bodily fluids"...
ydpl8s

Trad climber
Santa Monica, California
Apr 14, 2009 - 11:32am PT
Philo is an old friend of mine from Gunnison in the 70's. I climbed my first 5.10 OW with him in 1978. His FA's in the Gunnison area and Red Rocks NV are legendary works of art (just like his prose and cartoons). Anyone who has ever shared a rope with him is a friend for life.

Hank, thanks for your post.

Phil is a caring and intensely passionate (to a fault)individual about every endeavour he takes up. He sent me an email about this, and I admit that the discussion of the subltleties of the computer problems he claims are over my head. Phil will take a stand and not back down, but he is a thoughtful reasonable person that is unfortunately going through a big stack of problems at the moment.

As I have moved to California from Colorado this year, I have used ST as one of the ways that I kept up with Phil and enjoyed encouraging him to share his past and passion for the climbing community. I for one think that ST will be a duller place with his leave.

Scott M. Mossman AKA YDPL8S
Dingus Milktoast

climber
Apr 14, 2009 - 11:35am PT
You'd be a good friend to have Mossman. Way to stick up for your bro.

DMT
survival

Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
Apr 14, 2009 - 12:01pm PT
Nefarius said,

"Granite, survival, et al...

Whatever. No one here was bullied by me, period. When you come on here and flat out lie, then call me a liar, you are simply either clueless, weren't there as it went down, or are being a dick to back up your bro. You take your pick, cause, personally, I really don't care which it is.

All this pouring out of emotion for Phil is great and all. However, just because someone is going through a tough time, doesn't give them the right to throw a full-on tantrum, threaten people, etc. over and over, and not expect people to respond.

I honestly don't give a f*#k what you wankers think, nor about your claims that Philo never said, nor implied, that Russ damaged his computer and that he was calling the Feds on Russ for doing so. I tried to talk sense to him for a number of posts, over an hour or two, as he did so. I'm SURE it doesn't matter that someone re-posted just a few of his posts that did so, right?

So, on the contrary, I'd say it's more about a few of you, coming out here and perpetuating a lie, and calling me a liar, that are actually not only attempting to bully *me*, but also gang up on me in an attempt to do so. Whatever. To that, I simply have to say, "f*#k you, asshats". I'm sorry if you want to believe your incredibly unstable friend who went back and edited a number of his posts before deleting them all, but he did, in fact, make those accusations and threaten actions against someone for posting a picture on an Internet forum. Lame as that is, it happened. Sorry if that hurts...

The group of you are so f*#king illogical that, simply out of frustration, I'm about to post that f*#king picture multiple times, in each of these threads talking about it. If it causes any number of lying, illogical whining wankers to bail, then so be it. Seriously.

edit: which means, it's time to step away from this. I have other things do anyway. You guys have fun. "

Fattrad,

Honest and straight talking, or straight up rude.....

Now who's having a full on tantrum?
Dingus Milktoast

climber
Apr 14, 2009 - 12:05pm PT
ME! I'm having a GODDAMN TANTRUM.

Someone caused me to spew coffee all over my keyboard and now the goddamn ( ) key doesn't work.

SEE???

A TANTRUM GODDAMNIT!

ME!

Right here, right now.

DMT
WBraun

climber
Apr 14, 2009 - 12:14pm PT
Oh tantrums?

Same old sh'it we've all seen thousands of times back in Camp 4 if you've lived there long enough. Pretty hilarious at times.

One of the classics was Dimitry flipping out as we're off to the base of some climb ranting and flipping out about how Scott Burk stole his camera.

The other person in our party calmly tells Dimitry: "You just lent him the camera this morning".

hahahaha .....
Hardman Knott

Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
Apr 14, 2009 - 12:14pm PT
Survival - thanks for quoting that post so we could see it again. I especially agree with this part:

All this pouring out of emotion for Phil is great and all. However, just because
someone is going through a tough time, doesn't give them the right to throw a
full-on tantrum, threaten people, etc. over and over, and not expect people to respond.


I could knott have said it better myself (especially last night, after a few beers).
John Moosie

climber
Beautiful California
Apr 14, 2009 - 12:17pm PT
LOL, now that is a classic story Werner.

Dingus, I may still have one of my nephews sippy cup from with they were toddlers and learning to drink from a cup. It would keep these kinds of accidents from happening. I could look and send it to you. haha.. I think it has dinosaurs on the side if that will help you feel manly while using it.
Dingus Milktoast

climber
Apr 14, 2009 - 12:20pm PT
Only if they are PURPLE dinosaurs Moose.

Right, boys and girls????

DMT
survival

Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
Apr 14, 2009 - 12:21pm PT
HK,

My personal favorites:

"I honestly don't give a f*#k what you wankers think."

"To that, I simply have to say, "f*#k you, asshats".

"The group of you are so f*#king illogical that, simply out of frustration, I'm about to post that f*#king picture multiple times, in each of these threads talking about it. If it causes any number of lying, illogical whining wankers to bail, then so be it. Seriously."

Great stuff.


Hardman Knott

Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
Apr 14, 2009 - 12:22pm PT
Apparently that's what happens when you realize you've been talking to a brick wall...

(and swimming though a sea of apologists)
Nefarius

Big Wall climber
Fresno
Apr 14, 2009 - 12:25pm PT
"Honest and straight talking, or straight up rude..... "

Definitely always the first and sometimes the second, in addition to. Depends on the situation. And always man enough to stand by what I say, instead of going back and editing my posts to tone them down, as so many of you do... :)

In this case, however, it was more "one of the few who actually knew what they were talking about". And no, not bailing, that was more "should be getting back to finishing a web site so I get the backend 50% ($6k) that's coming to me."

So, all of you "I actually believe that a picture could cause hardware issues on a computer" kids have fun. (Still not quite finished with the site)

Oh. And hey! Where the f*#k's my camera?!?!?!
survival

Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
Apr 14, 2009 - 12:31pm PT
Nefarius,

Looks like you got some sleep last night and woke up a little more level, that's good.

Now, about that solo grip you've got on truth and light......

Just kidding. Speaking of getting off to chores, I'm out of here.
Hardman Knott

Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
Apr 14, 2009 - 12:34pm PT
We've seen a few rather dramatic and memorable exits from The Taco over the years,
and I gotta say, this one ranks as FAR AND AWAY the most noise over nothing.

As I mentioned before, photo-bombs are nothing new around here, and where was
the widespread panic and anarchy when people clicked on Crimpergirl's old school
thread, which amounted to 37 MB on the first page alone??????????1111

ydpl8s

Trad climber
Santa Monica, California
Apr 14, 2009 - 12:35pm PT
Sounds kind of like a bunch of crusty old invective, cynical group of guys sitting around the campfire here.

Oh yeah, I resemble that remark.
Nefarius

Big Wall climber
Fresno
Apr 14, 2009 - 12:45pm PT
" Apparently that's what happens when you realize you've been talking to a brick wall..."

No doubt, HK. No doubt!!!


"Looks like you got some sleep last night and woke up a little more level, that's good."

Definitely! Was still recovering from Saturday until 6AM, on that silly site.


"Sounds kind of like a bunch of crusty old invective, cynical group of guys sitting around the campfire here.

Oh yeah, I resemble that remark.
"

Don't we all, bruddah! Well, I'm not old yet. Definitely cynical tho! hahaha
couchmaster

climber
Apr 14, 2009 - 01:04pm PT
ydpl8s - what Dingus says above goes for me. Love to see you sticking up for a buddy. Philo must be a pretty good dude (in the real world).
Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Apr 14, 2009 - 01:17pm PT
"Karl - how long did you wait before you came to the determination that the computer "crashed"?
(be honest)"

It was a trip cause I waited a long time (cause I had a number of applications up on my new MacBookPro. I thought I'd just have to force quit Safari but I had to force the whole machine down with the power button. My cursor wouldn't move anywhere.

Years ago I had corrupt jpegs bring down a different machine regularly.

Why the extreme reaction? I dunno. I'm quit certain the Russ had no intention of causing that level of mayhem (much mayhem may be caused that way)

Whatever. For the record I like Russ and Philo and hope whatever feather and scales are ruffled come back into form as soon as possible. There are far, far worse asshats in the world than Us, so we should come back around and call it good when we can

PEace

Karl


neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Apr 14, 2009 - 01:21pm PT
hey there dirt, and all... say, i've only caught a bit of all this, not much at all...

oops, philo, is you are still here,i didn't warn any one as to the "full-up-over load" post, since i did not yet know about them then... but i was very worried about your leg, and i know i did post that---i sure hope you leg will be well... i will be praying... (course i would want to warn someone, if something bad was going-down, even as the other gal warned US)...

though, i DO KNOW that i TOO, saw a warning message about not to open certain post, so i stepped back for awhile, not sure what to do--perhaps we are not to be posting here anymore, or reading all this neat stuff... i didnt really know... i sure was SAD about it all though:

am not sure, i think it was blinny??? (was it you--if so, i reckon you helped me, as i have a slow computer and i only have 8 bucks in the bank, and am not doing well---i would never be able to fix my computer for perhaps a year!!

i did hear too, that russ had put a large file? did not know if this was true, or what... but i did take the warning post, serious, from the kind folks that let us know...


i was thankful, though, for that warning post, and when i saw that---well, i had not posted much at all, being that i heard that some computers were messed up...

sorry for the ramble... i just never seen or heard of all this kind of stuff going on, before.. i am new to all this...

say, werner, as to this:

"Primary victims of buffer overflow were Blinny, zip and Karen.
Anyone else?"

i got through all this okay, and my computer still works... i really need it for my book series, or i can not write... plus, i need to keep contact with my dad and i can not pay long distance phone calls.. but i am okay, so far, sicne some kind gals said to take care, here, on supertopo...

i am very sorry there computers got stuck... :(

sure hope all you all are all doing okay, each and every one of you all, are speical.. sometimes it is hard to see that, as there are so many different oppions, etc...

but you all are a "life" and "life" is speical...
god bless, all...


Hardman Knott

Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
Apr 14, 2009 - 01:29pm PT
Karl - with all due respect, you didn't really answer the question. I'm simply trying to
pin down what happened in your case. So how long was it from the time you clicked
on the thread until you took the rather drastic action of the force-shutdown?
How much RAM is in your MBP? I still think you would have been OK had you waited it out.

Or you could have tried force quitting Safari from the keyboard shortcut Command + Option + esc
(or force quit other running apps to free up more RAM - I'd be surprised that the Finder froze).

So how many minutes did you wait? I could see that if you were impatient and didn't
have to worry about lost data, since the MBP will boot up in less than 30 seconds...
Nefarius

Big Wall climber
Fresno
Apr 14, 2009 - 01:43pm PT
The crashes are interesting. It's even more interesting that it seems to have mainly (only?) effected Macs. I find that odd, in that MacOS typically handles memory better than PC's. Of course, I think people probably cheap it on the memory more when they buy Macs, due to the higher cost.
morphus

Mountain climber
Angleland
Apr 14, 2009 - 01:47pm PT
is this the drama queen thread?

or have we all been trolled big time?
Hardman Knott

Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
Apr 14, 2009 - 01:49pm PT
My friend just got 4 GB of RAM for for his new MBP for $67.00 (!!!!!!!!!!!!1111),
and it's from Crucial, which is considered a good (yet inexpensive) after-market brand.

Shall we start a new "nuke" thread so he can test it? (since the old one got deleted)
Nefarius

Big Wall climber
Fresno
Apr 14, 2009 - 01:57pm PT
Yeah, but I think a lot of peeps buying Macs want everything taken care of in the showroom. Last I checked, it was a little pricey to add more RAM at the time of purchase? That's more what I was thinking. Whereas you or I would simply buy the RAM online and add ourselves and save a few bucks.

We could start a nuke thread, but we'd have to get people to test it. :)
Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Apr 14, 2009 - 05:40pm PT
"Karl - with all due respect, you didn't really answer the question. I'm simply trying to
pin down what happened in your case. So how long was it from the time you clicked
on the thread until you took the rather drastic action of the force-shutdown?
How much RAM is in your MBP? I still think you would have been OK had you waited it out. "

2 gigs. Don't know how long I waited cause I went away and did other things to give it time.

Got a link for that Memory price? I've got the New MBP which needs 1076 MHz DDr3 can't find 4 gigs near that cheap

Peace

Karl
Hardman Knott

Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
Apr 14, 2009 - 05:46pm PT
Ask and you shall receive...

http://www.crucial.com/store/mpartspecs.aspx?mtbpoid=05217c5fa5ca7304&cpe=usfroogle

Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Apr 14, 2009 - 06:04pm PT
Thanks. Ordered it!
Hardman Knott

Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
Apr 14, 2009 - 06:10pm PT
Let me know when you have it installed. In the meantime, I'm trying to locate the infamous
"nuke" image, and I will start a new thread, replete with dire warnings of certain doom...
Jim Wilcox

Boulder climber
Santa Barbara
Apr 14, 2009 - 06:58pm PT
I find it quite fascinating that both Mac's and pc's were supposedly affected. Maybe, at the least, we can kill that prolonged debate and put it to rest.
Mac vs. pc-they BOTH crash under duress.
Mighty Hiker

Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Apr 14, 2009 - 07:44pm PT
The nucular explosion, in all its wide-screen giant file size glory, was at http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.html?topic_id=831199 As is the way of explosions, it seems now to have dissipated.
Nefarius

Big Wall climber
Fresno
Apr 14, 2009 - 08:24pm PT
I didn't count, but I was under the strong impression that most of the squeaky wheels were Mac owners.... The only PC I remember was Zip?
Hardman Knott

Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
Apr 14, 2009 - 09:17pm PT
I located the Nuke image, and have uploaded it to my server. It's 5.4 MB and 5991 X 4740 pixels.
The question is: how the nuke was deployed? Was it posted multiple times? If so, on top of
itself or side by side? Please advise. I can't wait to test it on the 1 Ghz Pentium III with 256 MB RAM. ;-)
Russ Walling

Gym climber
Vulva, Wyoming
Apr 14, 2009 - 09:34pm PT
HK: nuke was loaded in standard brackets.... and since the smarter among us will bypass the loading, it was posted again in a new reply with a new name for the file, like nukeI and nukeII. So two total for this version of "the end is near"

load 'er up son and see what we get.

Don't call the G'dam FBI though..... them guys really dont mess around!
nutjob

Stoked OW climber
San Jose, CA
Apr 14, 2009 - 09:35pm PT
Folks, I'm disappointed at the lack of proper conspiracy conjecturationizing here.

FACT #1:
It is theoretically possible for a specially crafted file to exploit a buffer over-flow error in image rendering software and cause that application to crash; in many operating systems it is also possible for a buffer overflow error in one application to cause data in other critical applications to be corrupted, effectively requiring a reboot.

FACT #2:
It is possible that the image Russ posted is perfectly fine, and another 'net a stalker piggy-backed on the thread with another exploit. Remember how we were having fun with avatar images and triggering pop-up windows? There are a variety of ways that tech-savvy and sneaky people can do bad things. There is room for security improvement on this and many other forums. but with more security we sacrifice ease-of-use and give up some of the nice features that draw us to the site.

FACT #3:
On it's own, posting a big picture is not a big deal. People have to take some level of personal responsibility for their computer set-up... did anyone complain about the number of pictures in the "who the h3ll are you people?" thread?

FACT #4:
Juan wins for the best posting on this thread.

FACT #5:
Whoever had the avatar with the stick-figure doggie-style scene with head going through the wall... well they win the prize for the best avatar. Wish I saved it.

FACT #6:
I have seen my vas deferens with my naked eye.

FACT #7:
We need to see more Chuck Norris jokes...
"Outer space exists because it's afraid to be on the same planet with Chuck Norris."
http://www.chucknorrisfacts.com/

FACT #8:
Looks like it's time for another climbing adventure to get my head right and keep me out of the cesspool. This is like a car wreck where you can't stop yourself from looking....
Nefarius

Big Wall climber
Fresno
Apr 14, 2009 - 09:42pm PT
Ummm... We already covered buffer over-runs, overflow, etc. As you stated, end result = reboot. Don't think anyone really disputed that.

Hardman Knott

Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
Apr 14, 2009 - 09:43pm PT
So Russ - I did find the two identical files with different names on the offending server,
so I was wondering whether they were both loaded - so was it just one or two URLs?

I will start a new thread with the most dire warning imaginable - so that casualties are minimal...
Russ Walling

Gym climber
Vulva, Wyoming
Apr 14, 2009 - 09:52pm PT
two urls, over two posts.


But seriously.... DO NOT CALL THE FBI!!!!!!!!!11111666
JuanDeFuca

Big Wall climber
Stoney Point
Apr 14, 2009 - 10:41pm PT
Russ the Los Angeles FBI office gave me a case number for the report I made.

You will be contacted in due time.

Juan
locker

Trad climber
Joshua Tree Ca
Apr 14, 2009 - 11:01pm PT
"and I gotta say, this one ranks as FAR AND AWAY the most noise over nothing."...

It's ONLY an ECHO now...

ECHOING off the walls you've CREATED...


now sing along with me...


"Kum-by-fuking-YA"...

KlimbIn

climber
Apr 16, 2009 - 12:59pm PT
Well if this thread has taught me one thing it's that
Mac's are a piece of sh#t for people who don't do real work and have time to upload gigabytes of tripes.



Hardman Knott

Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
Apr 16, 2009 - 01:03pm PT
ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111
JuanDeFuca

Big Wall climber
Stoney Point
Apr 16, 2009 - 01:20pm PT
Look Philo is willing to drop the matter. I cannot. Loss of data occured and a crime was committed. The agent from the FBI called to tell me that the images Russ posted had been altered with the sole intent of crashing systems.

Russ will probally be interviewed today and arrested at that time.

Juan
Hardman Knott

Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
Apr 16, 2009 - 01:57pm PT
The fact that someones porn collection was momentarily inaccessible does knott make it a crime...
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