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Donny... the OHHH!- Riginal
Sport climber
that Heaven's Gate comet. CRAP it's cold...
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Mar 31, 2009 - 08:12pm PT
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I've found that when someone insists on using their cellphone in a restaurant, you quickly and carefully shove it down their throat. Once it's comfortably lodged in the larynx, it becomes hands free allowing the user to employ both eating utensils AND the conversation is muffled somewhat.
I do this because I care about people.
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dmalloy
Trad climber
eastside
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Mar 31, 2009 - 08:12pm PT
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a few stories...
one of my favorite restaurant, the Pneumatic Diner in Reno, has a "no cell phones" policy. Posted at the door, and patrons who do use cell phones are gently, politely reminded of the sign if the staff see them. More places ought to be like that.
Second, I was in the East Bay on a work trip back in January. Looking for a breakfast bite, I saw a donut shop that was totally crowded, which I figured meant it must be good. So I walk in, right into the middle of a huge altercation. A young woman with a fairly dark complexion was talking, rather loudly, on her cell phone, right in the middle of the line. The older gentleman in front of her, of a rather light complexion, turned and told her in a gruff voice to knock it off. And it was on....
After 30-45 seconds of yelling at each other, these two were literally chest-to-chest, trying to stare each other down, arguing about who was more rude. It was extremely tense and freaky, I can't do justice to the scene. Finally the guy stalks off out the door, and the woman gets her coffee and donut while laughing with the staff about what a jerk he was.
Truth was, they were both incredibly rude, to each other and all the other patrons. She should not have been talking on her phone in the midst of a crowd, although it has become acceptable behavior, it ought not to be. If he felt compelled to say something, he should have politely asked her to step outside until her conversation was completed; if she refused, he should have turned back around and left it.
Not sure why you started this thread, seems to me like a "Chocolate chip cookies - better with more chips?" sort of a thing. We all know there are oodles of people who are incredibly rude with their cell phones, and apart from politely suggesting to people that they stop when we see them, there is not much we can do about it. Teach your children well.
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apogee
climber
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Mar 31, 2009 - 08:15pm PT
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In general, if I am in the presence of another person, whether it be dining, conversation, or teaching, the person in front of me takes priority. Incoming calls get screened and 'ignored' to VM, with rare exception of a particularly sensitive call.
Somewhat related, I find it really fecking annoying when I am standing in line for something, I reach the counter and the phone rings, and the person takes the call before they help me. Why the h*ll does the phone get the priority?
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dmalloy
Trad climber
eastside
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Mar 31, 2009 - 08:20pm PT
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>>Why the h*ll does the phone get the priority?
Well, it's a good question. I still work a few hours of retail here and there, and the fact is, you have to answer the phone - if you let it go to an answering machine, you will probably forget about it and then you have another angry customer. A lot of calls that come in where I work are just quick questions - "What time do you close tonight?" Easy to answer and get right back to the in-person customer.
However, as I understand customer service, the proper thing to do is to answer the phone, and if the inquiry cannot be handled within 5-10 seconds or passed to another employee, you say something along the lines of "I am sorry, but I am helping another customer right now. Can I put you on hold briefly, or take a message and call you back as soon as I am free?" It is true that few retail employees will follow that procedure, but there are plenty of areas of poor customer service around, just add this to the list.
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Mar 31, 2009 - 08:40pm PT
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A year or two ago I was at the outdoor show in SLC. One afternoon I went to have a pee. There were several other people doing likewise. We simultaneously realized that there was someone in one of the stalls, talking loudly on his cell phone about some meeting or deal, all the while doing his business. We looked at each other, and made quizzical funny faces.
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tolman_paul
Trad climber
Anchorage, AK
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Mar 31, 2009 - 08:54pm PT
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There are a few folks at our work that will answer the phone, or worse yet place calls when on the crapper. It totally befuddles me.
I think somebody posted this here awhile back
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BujoOxjB3b4
Personally I think a taser is an approrpiate response to folks that can't keep from running their gums on their cellphone.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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Mar 31, 2009 - 09:02pm PT
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" At what level should it be obvious that the use of a cell phone is inappropriate?"
Just ask yourself, what would Rajmit do?
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Robb
Social climber
It's like FoCo in NoCo Daddy-O!
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Mar 31, 2009 - 09:07pm PT
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"At what level should it be obvious that the use of a cell phone is inappropriate?"
How about when you walk through the front door.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Mar 31, 2009 - 09:18pm PT
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I am proud of my multi-tasking abilities, and while I never place calls while crapping (ew!) I can pee and talk simultaneously. Yes, I know, hard to believe but it is true.
But the question was restaurants;
there are many shades of grey here.
Is it a vibrating phone?
Is the call from a late comer who might be in some sort of trouble?
Can the phone owner keep a quiet voice?
I think it is less about how classy the place is and more about the phone behavior.
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Jaybro
Social climber
wuz real!
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Mar 31, 2009 - 09:50pm PT
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I'm with Donny and Dmalloy here, If I get called at a restaurant (phone virtually always set on meeting) I will possibly look at it, and if it is important enough I will go outside with it. Fattrad can bear witness.
The Pneumatic is one of my fave restaurants in the Universe, ask Dr Hartouni, whom I turned on to it. Not just for that policy, but it is fractal of the rest. Who wants the moment of first savoring an icy cold 666, as the 'spro hits the palette, or maybe the first bite of three squares with; disrupted by a cheesy electronic clip of the mexican hat dance, followed by some geek's overloud phone voice? i generally shy away from the death penalty, but...
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TradIsGood
Chalkless climber
the Gunks end of the country
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 31, 2009 - 10:32pm PT
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With Jaybro, on this.
I have to be expecting something critical to be willing to interrupt dinner with somebody. Might glance at the number if it buzzed, but outside (old restaurants had phone booths, should have kept them even if they got rid of the phone), if I have to return the call.
Apology to company required, and it would have to be clearly urgent enough for them to accept the apology graciously.
Climbing is not the only place where balance is an asset!
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WBraun
climber
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Let me get this straight?
People go to restaurants to eat and socialize. They talk with each other at their table.
Then the phone rings and the all the other tables with people get pissed that he's socializing with one more person at that table but he's not there in body but on a phone?
I don't get it ......
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Jaybro
Social climber
wuz real!
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oh you gadfly....
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Etiquette, hmmm... a French term referring to a "list of ceremonial observances of a court" (http://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/etiquette?view=uk); which is to say a fashion, really.
People used to get dressed up formally to go out to dinner. It probably wouldn't quite work at The Pneumatic, a very spacey venue with unusual fare, quite nice and definitely on my places to stop along I-80 for the rest of my life, or until they go out of business.
Thanks Jaybro for the tip... I'm starting to key into the long-haul Vedauwoo thing you had going there for a while... I'm thinking of the next trip this moment.
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TradIsGood
Chalkless climber
the Gunks end of the country
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 1, 2009 - 06:52am PT
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Actually the definition in use here is obviously not the rules of court behavior.
It is "the conventional rules of personal behavior observed in the intercourse of polite society."
It is obviously also NOT "the order of procedure established by custom in the army or navy," etc.
Another inapplicable definition relates to how professionals such as doctors act in such a manner as not to harm others in their own profession.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Aug 13, 2012 - 09:16am PT
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obvious spam, but the jammerall website is interesting
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Peter Haan
Trad climber
San Francisco, CA
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Aug 13, 2012 - 10:07am PT
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As Piton Ron said upthread, is not the cell phoning that aggravates or is rude, it is the typical behavior on the cellphone that is often an transgression.
It is entirely possible to have a cellphone call and keep it very quiet but instead most talk as if in a school play, renacting the first phone call by Alexander Graham Bell and Thomas Watson of 136 years ago. That---the loudness and obtuseness--- is what is such a bore.
Again, Pilgrims, we are forced to ask, "What would Donini do??"
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Aug 13, 2012 - 10:19am PT
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+1 for the Pneumatic Diner. That place seriously rocks.
I leave my phone in the truck when I go out for food. More people should follow suit.
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