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HalHammer
Trad climber
CA
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Topic Author's Original Post - May 23, 2005 - 06:51pm PT
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Okay heavy on the internet connection but here yah go; I tried to leave out duplicates of stuff. We got a ton more crampons and a couple ropes
Pictures Incoming:
I have a collection of climbing gear that is certainly worthy of a museum....Neptune Mountaineering...Yosemite Museum...Whoever that guy is that collects mass gear.
It is from a friend that was personally big time climber in the 70s who died while cutting a tree.
I have about 200 different kinds of nuts and passive gear. Were talking some friggin weird nuts/hexes/and I don't know what to call them and I know my modern gear. Maybe 30-40 different types of belay/rappel devices, Tons of old carabiners (the kind from before they had locking biners that have the sliding bar lock or the ones with the threads that go all the way to the gate.
Some locking biners that are 12 inches long, some that are S curve shaped...
About 6 different types of early protype cam things.
Oh about 100 figure 8s that are of many different types.
Loads of old bongs/pitons etc, the old ropes (pre-nylon?), old harnesses/helmets.
I have some really weird funky stuff, I.E. aluminum hook shaped thingys that hinge together and say SCD on them....Tons of other odd unidentifiable old equipment.
Also about 15 pairs of old crampons. Some really old black diamond harnesses and helmets...
So you gear collector people, or those that know 'em. We are looking to donate/bid this stuff off in a large collection. Please get in touch with me within the next couple weeks. No hurry to move this stuff, but was hoping that we could in the next 6 months, and I'll be gone from July-September.
P.S. Not included currently with this. We have the original editions of pretty much every major climbing guidebook from the west (about a dozen Yosemite types) and about 8 tahoe ones off the top of my head. Tons of literature in its original edition stuff like Warren Harding and Royal Robbin's old books etc....Bunch of stuff on Chamonix....All these old how to rock climb books...
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rlf
Trad climber
Josh, CA
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May 23, 2005 - 08:27pm PT
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Absoultey, 100 percent contact Ken Yaeger (sp?)! He's the man putting together the valley/climbing museum. He posts here from time to time. I'll dig up his email and let him know about this if he hasn't been contacted already.
Robert
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Chicken Skinner
Trad climber
Yosemite
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May 23, 2005 - 08:52pm PT
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HalHammer,
I would definately be interested in the stuff you mention and it would personally mean a lot to me as well because I used to hang out and climb and drink with the person you are referring to in the late 70's. My email is yager@inreach.com
Thanks,
Ken Yager
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TradIsGood
Trad climber
Gunks end of country
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May 23, 2005 - 09:11pm PT
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put me on the list.
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Licky
Social climber
California
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May 24, 2005 - 12:42am PT
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Do a google on Ken Yager. I just talked to him this evening. He is still working on his climbing museum.
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Weenis
Trad climber
Shastafaria
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May 24, 2005 - 11:37am PT
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I would be very interested in one of the original Yosemite Valley Guides. The first Roper guides that has a red cover and binding. Please let me know, Thanks!
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wildone
Social climber
the little ditch
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May 24, 2005 - 12:35pm PT
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I'm sure we'd all love to see some pictures of the antiquated gear, if you have any. I personally would love to see those old cams and weird nuts, and the old diamond harnesses. That would be awesome! Man, it would be cool if chris had like a gear gallery or something on the site, a bunch of historical stuff that people could fill up with interesting pics of artifacts and climbing curios they've amassed.
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deuce4
Big Wall climber
Pagosa Springs CO
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May 24, 2005 - 12:44pm PT
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yes, maybe you can put some photos on the forum. We'd like to see the old gear...
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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May 24, 2005 - 01:31pm PT
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Along with Ken's diligent work on a Yosemite Museum the two principal private collectors are:
Stephane Pennequin (Corsica, France) / pennequin.nutstory@wanadoo.fr
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Marty Karabin (US) / Karabin714@aol.com
I occasionally serve as a [very, very casual] intermediary for them and I'm sure either could also establish the quality of your collection. And as others have suggested, though, pictures would be invaluable to that effort.
Again, both are private collectors but each will undoubtably find a permanent home for their volumous collections (Stephane has been talking with the British, Not sure what Marty's long term plans are [maybe he should talk with Ken...]). I don't know Ken, though I know of his work on the very worthy Yosemite Climbing Museum. I suspect any of the three would insure the survival of unique and quality examples of our equipment heritage and I personally am more interested that such gear survive and am less concerned about where, or with whom, that happens - so long as it isn't in my basement.
P.S. I think Ken's effort is formally organized (for tax purposes) - Marty and Stephane are just normal guys (well, sort of normal given what they've managed to accomplish) working and raising families - none of them have what you'd call "deep pockets" so donations would certainly be welcome by all three.
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HalHammer
Trad climber
CA
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Topic Author's Reply - May 24, 2005 - 03:17pm PT
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Thanks guys, that gives me a couple leads. Ken, I'll e-mail you sometime. Maybe I can get some pics up too in a few days.
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David Nelson
climber
San Francisco
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May 24, 2005 - 09:19pm PT
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Hal,
If you want to contribute to Yosemite's history, please don't sell, but donate to the Yosemite Climbing Museum, headed by Ken Yager (his sign is "Chicken Skinner" on this site). The material you donate will then stay in Yosemite permanently and some may qualify for public display. Ken has worked his heart out for this Museum, and has the support of the NPS in Yosemite. He posted above, with his email address. I know him personally and can vouch for him. Tom Frost, Royal Robbins, and Yvonne Choiunard also know him. Tom at least is on the Board, and I would be surprised if the others are not at least supporters and advisors. This is the place, no doubt, and Ken is the man. I have donated all of my old stuff, so there is my vote.
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wildone
Social climber
the little ditch
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May 26, 2005 - 12:44pm PT
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Damn! That was so awesome! I love climbing history, and that was one hell of a history.
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Roger Breedlove
Trad climber
Cleveland Heights, Ohio
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May 26, 2005 - 10:27pm PT
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This is so depressing.:)
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nature
climber
Flagstaff, AZ
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May 27, 2005 - 01:10am PT
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pictures! we demand pictures! before you part with any of that stuff.
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HalHammer
Trad climber
CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 5, 2005 - 05:23pm PT
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Bump, pics added...
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deuce4
Big Wall climber
Pagosa Springs CO
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Awesome collection. A lot of rare stuff in there. The gear collectors must be drooling!
Let me know if you need help identifying some of the gear--I recognize a lot of it, there's a lot of Euro stuff.
A collection like that really should be kept intact--it tells a whole story. Perhaps the AAC would finance a museum display somewhere.
cheers
JM
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golsen
Social climber
kennewick, wa
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Yes that is awesome. I saw a CLOG Nut looks like the new Metolius Hex, kind of curvy and a Saddlewedge nut. I used to have those on my rack 25 years ago....Sh*t, am I a relic?
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gdstorrick
Trad climber
PA
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I have a collection of 850+- ascenders, descenders and belay devices, and a web site (http://storrick.cnchost.com/VerticalDevicesPage/VerticalHome.shtml); which allows others to view these at their convenience. There are several items in your collection that I do not have in mine, and I would love to add them to my collection and to my site for all to see. At least they wouldn't just lie hidden in a box somewhere!
My main interest is in the ascenders/descenders/belay devices/anchor brakes, rather than the protection pieces (for which I recommend the same individuals recommended by others). I would be quite happy to give a detailed breakdown of which ones I have and do not have if you are interested. My email is storrick@storrick.cnchost.com.
Thanks!
----> Gary
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Don't let go
Trad climber
Yorba Linda, CA
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Wow that's some crazy gear. Please post more pictures! And any gear you would like to give me to admire and save forever I would gladly accept. However it would be really cool to be able to see all of that stuff in a museum some day. I'd like to be able to show my grandkids all of that stuff when I'm old. Don't forget about the old school!
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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These descriptions of the protection devices were provided to Hal by Stéphane Pennequin (and I added some placeholder descriptions for the other photos...)
* photo #1 (10005172vl.jpg) [desc by Healyje]
Stitch/belay and ferrata plates
* photo #2 (10005157zc.jpg) [desc by Healyje]
Various rap devices
* photo #3 (10005190nz.jpg) [desc by Healyje]
Rappel rack and decenders
* photo #4 (10005200lw.jpg) [desc by Healyje]
Various Decenders
* photo #5 (10005183xw.jpg) [desc by Healyje]
Gibbs Ascender
Petzl Shunt
Descenders and ???
* Photo #6 (10005213mf.jpg)
Metolius Slider
CMI Kirk’s Kamms
Lowe Alpine Systems Split Cam
* Photo #7 (10005235tl.jpg)
Bergsport Bi-Caps
Simond Bicoins Multi-Directionnels
Clog Acorn on wire
* Photo #8 (10005228da.jpg)
Camp Pentanuts
Salewa Pantherkeil
* Photo #9 (10005256cl.jpg)
Unknown red aluminum device w/ rollers
CMI Beamchok #980
Parba Big-H’s
SMC Quick-Taper Wedge
Forrest Mountaineering Tritons
* Photo #10 (10005247es.jpg)
Cassin Half-Moons
Chouinard Stopper
Campbell Mountaineering Saddlewedge
John Brailsford Acorns
Clog One Hole Wedges
Doltchock Trunuts
Doltchock Spidernuts
* Photo #11 (10005280bk.jpg)
Chouinard Hexentric
Simond Chocks
Simond Multi Coins
Simond Poly Coins
* photo #12 (10005271xc.jpg) [desc by healyje]
Salewa Sphaero-T-Klemmkeile (Patent DE 36 43 844, Paul Heinrich Steinacker, 15 September 1988)
Unknown Stitch Plate
Salewa Sphaero-T-Klemmkeile on wire
Clog Cog
* photo #13 (10005358xf.jpg) [desc by healyje]
Biners and braking bars
* photo #14 (10005298gj.jpg) [desc by healyje]
Goldline rope and crampons
* photo #15 (10005364xf.jpg) [desc by healyje]
Drill, rivets, hangers, and a Lowe Salewa Chock Tocker cleaning hammer
* photo #16 (10005300vg.jpg)
Chouinard Tube Chocks 1st and 2nd generation
* photo #17 (10005375py.jpg) [desc by healyje]
Angle pitons
Leeper 'Friend of a Friend' cleaning tool
SMC Bong
A very strange reverse Z-piton (Leeper Antipiton - it's a nut, not a piton)
A very strange notched hook
unknown corded plate
* photo #18 (10005385zk.jpg) [desc by healyje]
Fifi Hook
Cam hooks
Unknown hook
Chouinard Rurps
Other Rurps
Vermin Hook(?)
Leeper Hook
Wire hanger
* photo #19 (10005394ce.jpg) [desc by healyje]
Various Pulleys
Tricouni N°6 - Swiss (1950's cleat for bottom of boots)
Unknown boot cleat
* photo #20 (10005400vx.jpg) [desc by healyje]
Two Harnesses
* photo #21 (10005319wt.jpg)
Clog Two Hole Wedge on wire
SMC Tru-Hex
Wild Country Rock
MOAC
* photo #22 (10005328oj.jpg)
Salewa Halfmond-Stopper mit Drahtschlinge
SMC Taperlocks
Camp Stoppers
Simond Bicoin
* Photo #23 (10005344bu.jpg)
Salewa Monokabel Klemmkeile
Simond Bicoins
DMM Wallnut
Chouinard Bashies (these are not nuts)
Forrest Mountaineering Arrowhead
Chouinard Hexentric
Clog Two Hole Wedge on wire
* Photo #24 (10005330iq.jpg)
Chouinard Stoppers
Forrest Mountaineering Foxheads
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gdstorrick
Trad climber
PA
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Here is my cut at identifying some of the ascenders/descenders/belay devices. It is a bit difficult without holding them in my hand, so there might be errors (particularly on the 8s). Many items are hard to ID exactly from the photo since the differences between similar models are small.
For quick info on most of these, find the item on one of the old photos (back when my collection was small) at http://storrick.cnchost.com/VerticalDevicesPage/Glance.html, click to get a larger photo and then click on the item of interest.
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10005157zc
Top row: Edelrid Frog, Frendo(?) [or Chouinard(?)] 8, Clog(?) 8, CMI(?) 8, Pierre Allain]
Middle row: MSR Longhorn, Russ Anderson 8, [Unknown] 8, CMI Rescue 8
Bottom row: Trango Penta, Spelean Harpoon, Top Descender, Bonaiti Robot, DMM Anka
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10005172vl:
Top Row: Salewa(?) Sitcht plate, Salewa Alpinbremse, Unknown Sticht plate, New Alp Light 8
Middle row: HB Sticht plate, Monti???, Chouinard Baechli, Grivel Aba, ???, Kong-Bonaiti Kisa
Bottom Row: Lowe tuber, DMM Betterbrake, ???, Forrest, PBI???, Edelrid Bankl
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10005183xw:
Top row: Heibler, Forrest Rope Rider
Middle Row: Gibbs, Petzl Shunt
Bottom Row: Unknown, Salewa AAntz
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10005190nz
Rappel Rack, Petzl Bobbin, Petzl Stop, Hobbs Hook
Visible at top: Spelean Whaletail
10005200lw
Hobbs hHook, Petzl Bobbin, Spelean Whaletail, Kong Bobbin
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10005256cl
Red item is a Bluewater Chest Box
Two Forrest Tritons at bottom.
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10005358xf
The blue brake bar looks like a CMI, the red one at top is a Speleoshoppe bar
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10005394ce
The two devices at left are Russian Tri-bollards, a bit different than mine
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HalHammer
Trad climber
CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 6, 2005 - 08:15pm PT
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Wow thanks guys....Been wondering for a while. Still wondering what the heck are the 2 things that say Mount Blanc on them to the right of the huge "pulley" picture? Also on photo 5 what is that thing on the bottom left?
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Looks like some sort of screw-on heel plate for walking in icy conditions...
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AZrock-Jock
Trad climber
phx, az
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Is the store open yet?
Can I shop too?
What a great collection!
I know this guy in Arizona that is looking for some of them there climbin' things.
Looks like all of the collectors have checked in, and one Deuce. Thanks for the photos!!!!!
I am amazed that there are no Pecks?
KARABIN CLIMBING MUSEUM
phx, AZ
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Jun 10, 2005 - 06:45am PT
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Stephane asked me to post this about the boot cleats:
"These two things are nails that were used in climbing boots up until the middle 50’s and maybe later. On the right is the Tricouni N°6 that is Swiss. Tricounis were especially good for wet messy rock and mixed snow/rock climbs. People invented various nailing patterns – quite amusing but the most effective was probably all round Tricouni 6 with heel clinkers."
It is kind of curious that a collection with this much EU content doesn't have Pecks. As an old sandstone climber, I love Pecks - still have mine...
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wiclimber
Trad climber
devil's lake, wi
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Aug 22, 2007 - 04:21pm PT
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Bump because I was searching for a pic of a "saddle wedge" and found this gem.
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steelmnkey
climber
Vision man...ya gotta have vision...
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Aug 22, 2007 - 04:36pm PT
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This gear is cool. I'd be interested in giving a home to any guidebooks you might have. Email me if you want to talk.
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Clint Cummins
Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
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Aug 22, 2007 - 07:14pm PT
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Nice Doltchocks and Leeper Antipiton.
Hal, it's been 2 years now - where did the collection end up?
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nutstory
climber
Ajaccio, Corsica, France.
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Mar 14, 2009 - 04:39am PT
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I “wander” on this forum from time to time, just to “tease” me again… What happened to this wonderful collection…? The two John Brailsford Acorns would have made my day for a long long time if they had been able to reach the Nuts Museum, here in Corsica… What a pity…
Stephane / Nuts Museum
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SteveW
Trad climber
The state of confusion
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Mar 14, 2009 - 09:45am PT
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Wow, that's some collection!!!!
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Todd Gordon
Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal
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Mar 14, 2009 - 10:42am PT
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Looks like my climbing rack..........(maybe I need to update?)
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Steve Grossman
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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Mar 14, 2009 - 04:33pm PT
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Amazing collection Halhammer!
If you want people to be able to see and appreciate it, please consider donating it to the YCA. The YCA has a major touring exhibit in the works and plenty of opportunities to exhibit planned in the near future.
You have some rare and wild stuff so please keep it all together in one collection. Feel free to contact me or Ken if you need any more information.
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karabin museum
Trad climber
phoenix, az
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Jun 22, 2009 - 01:02pm PT
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So what ever happened to this gear?
I remember years ago the many of us talking about it and figuring out what all of the items are. Did this gear go right back in the cardboard box stuffed back into the garage?
All of us collectors are about the same age (except for that Neptune character, older fart), and someday these collections will meld into possibly one huge showpiece. For now the cardboard box does not help with my reasearch, or Stephanes, or Storrick, or Neptunes, or Yosemite Museum. We try to get the research now, before later when the info is lost forever, or just very hard to find info on. Between Stephane and I, we have the greater portion of the items shown, but are interested in a few we are missing.
I guess what I am saying....we are climbers here and are taught that all challenges are not so straight forward. At times we must think outside the box. I think this time has come for me, and all of those other collectors whatever, and mostly YOU to seize this moment, open that box and bring out this inner beauty and share amongst us these hidden artifacts.
It's like....being the only one in class with the gum.....break out!
Rock on! Marty
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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
Trad climber
San Francisco, Ca
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Jun 22, 2009 - 02:05pm PT
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That Black Diamond harness looks like it pre-dates the Chouinard-Black Diamond transfer.
Or did I actually climb when gear looked like that? Please tell me no.
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gdstorrick
Trad climber
PA
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Jul 12, 2009 - 08:55am PT
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> Between Stephane and I
And me too!
I'll echo Marty's point - if you have old gear that is just sitting in a box somewhere, you'll be doing a service to the climbing community by passing it on. I'm interested in descenders, ascenders, and belay devices; my web site shares these with the world. Marty and Stéphane cover just about everything else.
Someday, these will all go somewhere. Any good ideas?
Thanks!
Gary Storrick
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Cormier Mountaineering
Mountain climber
Hereford, Arizona
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I will also throw my name into the mix. I have been colecting equipment and SAR Gear for quite sometime and am always interested in any collectable gear. I have had the pleasure of seeing some of these other collections and interacting with some of these fine collectors (Marty, Gary....)
Jim Cormier
Cormier Mountaineering
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Roots
Mountain climber
Tustin, CA
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gdstorrick...where's the site? Would love to see your collection. -I clicked the link and did a search but it's not working.
LOL...Looks like this hat is full of worthy names.
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Roots
Mountain climber
Tustin, CA
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Amazing collection!!!
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gdstorrick
Trad climber
PA
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Jan 16, 2015 - 06:04pm PT
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Thank you, I'm glad you like it. ---> Gary
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couchmaster
climber
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Jan 16, 2015 - 08:15pm PT
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Gary, "LIKE" for your site is too casual of a word. We all LOVE your site, and want to thank you again for the care, craft and time you have invested to preserve this history. It is world class fantastic and we all owe you a debt of deep sincere gratitude.
Big time.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Jan 17, 2015 - 09:23am PT
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Whatever became of the gear?
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gdstorrick
Trad climber
PA
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Feb 17, 2015 - 04:08pm PT
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>> Whatever became of the gear?
I never heard. If anyone knows, please share the info!
Gary S
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HalHammer
Trad climber
CA
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Topic Author's Reply - May 29, 2016 - 09:20pm PT
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We held intents for a while to trade it with one of the aforementioned parties in an original bargain that fell through. I've had some on display in Bishop in recent years. There's interest now in possibly selling the collection onward for some value, but not sure exactly how we would go about it.
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nutstory
climber
Ajaccio, Corsica, France
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May 31, 2016 - 01:57am PT
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Bonjour HalHammer,
Great to hear of you here again. I downloaded all the photographs of your impressive collection in my computer a long time ago… I often “visit” them… My favorites are still the CMI Kirk’s Kamms with teeth on the cam lobes… ;-)
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karabin museum
Trad climber
phoenix, az
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May 31, 2016 - 09:02am PT
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HalHammer,
I have been admiring your collection for years. There are a few items that you have that the Karabin Climbing Museum is very interested in. Please keep me posted on what you decided to do with your collection.
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Gnome Ofthe Diabase
climber
Out Of Bed
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May 31, 2016 - 10:26am PT
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Thanx for the pictures, Marty,
Alright, 2 of the serious collectors kept your snaps of the collection.
That is beyond my archiving ability. Although there is a current post on mnt project.
Of old 70s aid gear, that looks very fresh, that I did swipe copies of pictures (of)
http://www.mountainproject.com/v/classic-aid-gear
For those of us who can only look & wish, learn & drool over can someone re-post more of the
Snap-shots of the gear ?
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karabin museum
Trad climber
phoenix, az
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May 31, 2016 - 05:59pm PT
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HalHammer - Dr. Gary Storrick may also be interested in a few of the rope devices for his collection.
Karabin Museum is interested in: 16 item wish list (begging on knees) Top three items are Dolt knurled Spider Nut largest size (are the other square nuts in the photo Dolt?), CMI rigged RokJox set (Stephane is hot for these also), I will love to have at least one size of the set, and Cassin hook (looks like a #7). I put the items I am interested in marked in the photos below. Gary has the rope devices monopoly so he can have first choices on the devices. I will love to have a few HalHammer items preserved in the Karabin Museum if possible.
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nutstory
climber
Ajaccio, Corsica, France
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karabin museum
Trad climber
phoenix, az
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In 1999 I contacted the Cassin factory and they were not creating the Gancio Da Ghiaccio hook anymore but they were able to find one for my museum. Actually they were being generous and put two of the hooks in the mailing envelope. But by the time I had received the Cassin package the items were missing and the package was empty. There was a small tear at the end of the envelope suggesting that the items had torn through the envelope. The factory sent the items unwrapped so they easily tore through the envelope. I have not seen another one of these Cassin hooks since 1999. The item is not necessarily valuable but since I have close to 300 different hooks, the item would be nice to include in the museum.
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HalHammer
Trad climber
CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 13, 2016 - 06:19pm PT
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I would like to sell the collection for $2,000.
E-mail climbingryan@gmail.com
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Dec 13, 2016 - 07:23pm PT
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IS the collection the gear listed on your first post?
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HalHammer
Trad climber
CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 13, 2016 - 08:09pm PT
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Yes almost all intact- minus the small John Brailsford Acorn and a handful of hexes that went toward a local brewery as new tap handles.
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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Dec 13, 2016 - 10:19pm PT
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That's a good price. Good luck to Karabin museum and Nutstory.
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HalHammer
Trad climber
CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 14, 2016 - 09:21am PT
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Sold to Marty Karabin!!
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karabin museum
Trad climber
phoenix, az
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Dec 15, 2016 - 08:51pm PT
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HalHammer - THANKS!
It has been a great year for the Karabin Climbing Museum! I now have a great place to display the museum at the Phoenix Rock Gym, and after the holidays a friend is introducing me to a glass company owner, where I can get as much glass for the displays as I want for free. My museum dream is in motion! Wow very very cool!
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nutstory
climber
Ajaccio, Corsica, France
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Dec 16, 2016 - 09:29am PT
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karabin museum
Trad climber
phoenix, az
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Dec 16, 2016 - 04:58pm PT
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Nutstory - I love your Corsican humor! Many Blessings to you and your family for the holidays and for the 2017 year! I will talk to you after the holidays!
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karabin museum
Trad climber
phoenix, az
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Feb 19, 2017 - 02:41pm PT
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I recently found some time to go through the boxes of Gear collection worthy of a museum. Looking at the original 20 or so photos it looked like I already had in the Karabin museum 90 percent of what was shown, but amazingly there are many different versions of the gear. So far it looks like half of the overall lot is a addition to the Karabin museum. Very exciting for sure!!!
I have a #3 Salewa Monokabel Klemmkeile that is colored yellow and red, but Halhammer has a blue #3. Was there a set that was originally noncolored then Salewa colored them? I ask this since halhammer #1 Monokabel Klemmkeile is noncolored or colored silver. Strange that my original Monokabel Klemmkeile has two colors on it unless the original owner painted the colors on it personally.
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karabin museum
Trad climber
phoenix, az
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Unknown hook. In HalHammers lot there is a hook that at first looked like a Stubai, but is different. The Stubai has a slight curvature and is the same width throughout. This unknown hook tapers smaller at the tip. It looks also like a Cassin hook but the Cassin has a larger rounder sling loop. The tip of the unknown hook is grounded down possibly by the end user to be a Bat hook, as also in the lot was two Leeper hooks that were ground down to Bat hooks as well. Does anybody have any mfg guesses on this unknown hook?
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karabin museum
Trad climber
phoenix, az
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Unknown 1" Hex. Straight sided and looks manufactured or if it was homemade, it was machined in a shop. No visible saw marks or drill marks in the sling holes. The only marking is one hex panel is painted blue. Anybody know who created this Hex?
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nutstory
climber
Ajaccio, Corsica, France
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The full set, and the prototype on the top of the photograph:
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karabin museum
Trad climber
phoenix, az
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Salewa Monokabel Klemmkeile - HalHammer #1 is non-colored and the rest of the nuts follow the same colors as the nutstory photo. The #3 in the Karabin Museum is colored yellow in the oval "Salewa" area on the wire swag and on back side colored yellow on the words "West Germany", but the rest of the body of the swag is painted red. Yellow swag should be #0. Hmmmm....
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Steve Grossman
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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Your unknown bathook above started out as an early unstamped Clog. Not really the ideal hook for actual tapped in bathooking. The earliest Chouinard Skyhooks that featured a sharp downward angling tight bend are the genuine article once the tip was ground down to fit snugly in a 1/4" X 1/2" hole drilled at an angle matching the bend on the hook.
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karabin museum
Trad climber
phoenix, az
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Steve - Great thought, but the Clog hook tips are fat and the cord side is thin, where the Unknown hook is opposite. Maybe it is a early Clog hook that is bent in the opposite direction?
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Steve Grossman
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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I have one that matches yours that I bought from one of the Burgess brothers long ago and is stamped. Someone likely got a second and modified it or had access to the shop during a run and made it directly for this intended use.
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karabin museum
Trad climber
phoenix, az
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Steve - Awesome! Please double check your hook in your collection and then I will lock it in as a Clog item.
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Steve Grossman
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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It is a Clog. I have two of them.
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Mad69Dog
Ice climber
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I've got some gear that's museum-worthy. Years ago, when Deuce4 sold off a bunch of his gear I got his prototype made during the development of the BD Talon. I got a bunch of other stuff from John, via eBay.
Eric Coomer got a wild hair to replace the anchors on the Trip back in the mid-to late 90's (?) and wanted some help so I harassed Fish to contribute, and he did in a big way. Russ donated a large haul bag, bolts, about a half mile of webbing and a handfull of bits. I bought hangars, bolts, a bosun seat, intoxicants, and other goodies. In return for helping Eric get set up, he gave me a bunch of the fixed gear he took off the route, like fixed pins and manky old quarter inch bolts. It's still all in my gear stash. I'd love to hear from Eric again. He was lucky to survive that adventure.
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Steve Grossman
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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I did an early ascent of the Trip in 1977 with Mason Frichette and the drilled anchors were pretty sketchy even at that point at several belay stations up high on the route. I recall tying off three dowels above one belay that only had a single well-placed short 1/4" Rawl and a spinner. I guess Charlie was pretty tired of drilling after the Headwall. LOL
The Trip was the only Porter route that didn't work out as planned. Good thing that Royal abandoned his attempt down low as it wouldn't have suited him either.
I am curious to know what you have Mad69Dog.
Making hexes is pretty easy so you would have match up the milling details to sort out that nut.
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Mike Honcho
Trad climber
Glenwood Springs, CO
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From Fossil Climber, still the coolest most neato ass thing I've seen, and wanted, in a while!
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Mad69Dog
Ice climber
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"I am curious to know what you have Mad69Dog."
These are crappy shots but they are all I have right now. I'll try to get some better shots when I dig out the other gear. Now I'm wondering if the Talon came after this triple hook?
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karabin museum
Trad climber
phoenix, az
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Steve - Very good I will list the Unknown hook as a Clog. Thanks for solving the mystery!
Cosmiccragsman - All of my Clog hexes have tapered ends except for the #0 and #1 brass hex. The Unknown hex has straight ends with no taper. Hmmmm…..nutstory I am sure saw the Unknown hex but gave no response so he too (the nut master) is still pondering the question of the creator.
Mad69Dog - nice Duece prototype Talon! I looked through Johns amazing gear trunk as he was moving out of Flagstaff AZ and did not see that prototype. Maybe he was hiding it from me. Its so nice! I am already addicted to your hook porn!!!
Mike Honcho - I was under the impression that Wayne found a buyer for those mugs. I love how the bongs are also ceramic! Nice mug set for sure!
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karabin museum
Trad climber
phoenix, az
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I thought I had samples of all of the Wild Country Rocks, but the HalHammer collection gave me a surprise. The HalHammer Rocks did not have Wild Country stamped on the nut so the nuts just are stamped “ROCK.” I did not know these existed. This now gives the Karabin Museum seven different generations of the Wild Country Rock.
 Stamped “ROCK,” No “Wild Country” stamp, black plastic wire keeper.
Stamped Rock and Wild Country, sharp nut edges, black plastic keeper.
Stamped Rock and Wild Country, rounded nut edges, asst color wire keepers
Stamped Rock and Wild Country, one asterisk next to number, asst color wire keepers.
Stamped Rock and Wild Country, two asterisks next to number, asst color wire keepers.
Stamped Rock and Wild Country, two asterisks next to number, clear plastic over color plastic wire keeper.
Nuts are anodized asst colors, clear plastic over gray plastic wire keeper with Rock printed and number.
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Mad69Dog
Ice climber
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I love the visual WC Rock history! I should have a first gen #6 in a box around here. If I can find it, I'll donate it to your collection. Back at the dawn of the innernets, I hooked up with a Brit climber that was touring the US and part of his rack was assimilated into mine. Honest, it was an innocent acquisition. I offered to ship his lost nuts back across the pond but he told me to keep them. Bad joke deleted.
So many of the pioneers from the 60's and onward are either gone or fading, I've tried to talk a few of them into donating some of their oddball pieces. But these tend to be cantankerous old farts that don't want such advice. I think they are just sentimental of the good old days.
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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Great to see the generations of Rocks. TFPU!
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Steve Grossman
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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Faded genes never go out of style, bra.
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karabin museum
Trad climber
phoenix, az
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Mar 11, 2017 - 12:35pm PT
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Clog single hole wedges! The HalHammer collection added a few new ones to the museum. I have a full set of 6 sizes but for collectors info there are three full sets to collect by the way the nuts are stamped. The earliest Clog single hole wedges I have seen have rough unfinished hole edges and have no oval in the stamp.
Three stamp versions, 6 sizes in each set:
“CLOG” and #
“CLOG” in oval, # outside oval
“CLOG” and # in oval
Is the official name: Clog single hole wedges, or Clog single hole nuts?
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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Mar 19, 2017 - 12:37pm PT
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Great information, Marty.
Does anybody know the official name? Clog single hole wedges, or Clog single hole nuts?
I believe the Clog single hole nuts/wedges are from two generations: One generation without the ellipse around the name Clog, and one generation with the ellipse around the name.
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Steve Grossman
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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Mar 19, 2017 - 12:59pm PT
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The original single transverse hole wedge nuts were called "Spuds" so I like to use that name with these nuts. They did have a commercial name as a Clog product different than that. Maestro Pennequin can likely provide the original name for the Clog versions. Your distinction on the Clog stamps is correct, Marlow. Simple "CLOG" followed by the elliptically stamped version in later equipment.
More on the glorious Spud here on post #50.
http://www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/1220704/Nuts-To-You-Royal-Robbins-Clean-Climbing-Intro-Summit-1967
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Mar 19, 2017 - 04:12pm PT
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I can't recall who here first posted this 1977 Clog Cogs ad, but my thanks to them, & it seems to belong here too.
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Steve Grossman
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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Mar 19, 2017 - 06:31pm PT
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The funny thing about Spuds is that it took forever for someone to realize that the design could easily be a dual attitude nut if a second taper was added. I have one that was made and sold that way at long last.
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HalHammer
Trad climber
CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 4, 2017 - 05:35pm PT
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I'm stoked to see you found a few more surprises in the collection Marty! Cheers!
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