1977 Airplane Crash in Yosemite

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donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Apr 7, 2015 - 06:25pm PT
This story was interesting, even fascinating, forty years ago. It's continued prominence shows the paucity of of anything really notable happening in the climbing community aside from, well......climbing.

ionlyski

Trad climber
Kalispell, Montana
Apr 7, 2015 - 07:14pm PT
Hello? Are we frozen here yet? Many personal attacks from about two, upthread. Just wondering.

Edit-Continued historical content would be an asset though and worth keeping on.
Vegasclimber

Trad climber
Las Vegas, NV.
Apr 7, 2015 - 09:57pm PT
Not frozen yet, but I think this fits in with what Chris was talking about. While I did like the thread, ever since Sidmo started his rant a couple years ago it went straight to garbage.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Apr 7, 2015 - 10:29pm PT
How could anybody take Sidmo's stuff personally?
Unless you're given to kicking puppies.
bvb

Social climber
flagstaff arizona
Apr 8, 2015 - 01:35am PT
Any chance of simply freezing Sidmoe out of the thread? He'd have nothing to do here, and likely leave.
AE

climber
Boulder, CO
Apr 9, 2015 - 01:07pm PT
It's interesting to read the many comments at sidmo, calling him a narcissist, when the actual fact is Licky clearly is the disordered one here.

Narcissistic personality disorder must meet five or more of the following symptoms (some mods here):
Expects to be recognized as superior and special, without superior accomplishments
Sets unrealistic goals for himself
Is preoccupied with thoughts and fantasies of great success, intelligence
Expects constant attention, admiration and positive reinforcement from others
Requires excessive admiration
Believes others envy him
Has a strong sense of entitlement, unreasonable expectations of favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his expectations
Lacks empathy
Is arrogant, haughty
Has unrealistic expectations of special treatment
Takes advantage of others to achieve his own ends
Vulnerable to the slightest criticism.

I might suggest poor sidmo had an NPD parent, as co-dependency can exist in a reactive-enabling cycle with other 'narcissists' later in life; sidmo trapped in a cycle and role of enabler, fighting but never breaking free. Laugh all you want, but Licky is the sick one here; the rest of you are all "enablers", even when you write negatively, because to a narcissist even that is satisfying the need for attention.
See you all again in another 10 years.
Gnome Ofthe Diabase

climber
Out Of Bed
Apr 9, 2015 - 03:28pm PT
AE, Post # 1639
Jul 10, 2013 - 03:24pm PT
BLUEBLOCR
If you are too disinterested to read 7 years of pointless meandering posts that have to date revealed nothing, what's wrong with you?

Seriously, without at least a quick perusal of the entries made by key figures in the saga, you will either miss the humor here, or else be led down a dark and winding path by Mr. Licky, the OP who promised great literary and journalistic revelations, only to wind up spewing rants and conspiracy theories ad nauseum.

As JL himself noted, noone from that era has ever offered anything new or noteworthy, having either died or stopped giving a crap about another tiny footnote in the drug-smuggling history of the '70s.
Whatever you do, don't engage L; you'll only wake him up and encourage him to keep phishin'.
zBrown

Ice climber
Brujò de la Playa
Apr 9, 2015 - 03:38pm PT
This thread sucks? blows? rocks?
-Satchmo

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BTW in the browser wars I'm constantly changing sides. Chrome is currently kicking the ass of Firefox and I.E.
Psilocyborg

climber
Apr 9, 2015 - 03:46pm PT
Airplane....boooooring. Industrial LSD laboratory in an abandon missle silo in kansas. Booya! Now that is fun stuff

http://thislandpress.com/gordon-todd-skinner/
zBrown

Ice climber
Brujò de la Playa
Apr 9, 2015 - 06:45pm PT
^Rumored to be an associate of Pickard who was rumored to be an associate of the O.C. Brotherhood.
Risk

Mountain climber
Olympia, WA
Apr 9, 2015 - 07:48pm PT
Linda Ronstadt and Governor Brown dined together in the Ahwahnee in 1977, back when I was a bus person there. Unfortunately, I was oblivious to them when they came in when I was working Eva's station. Another Jerry worked there then who knew about the wreck a little, I understand. I passed Bob Dylan in the parking lot in 1976 new the valet; he was trying to disguise himself with sunglasses, a hat and chewing gum, but it didn't fool me. Nonetheless, I just let him pass by anonymously (a friend to a friend).

[edit] not sure if Dylan stayed at the Ahwahnee in July or August. No frisbee. He emerged from a motorhome that was very illegally parked just before the valet area and walked toward the shuttle bus stop, where I passed him. In 1972 in Oakland at the "wake of the flood" tour, a lone Winnebago was parked before the concerts in the northwest parking lot of the Colosseum all by itself. We spied it and considered approaching it. Glad we didn't, as I figure Dylan was in there; but, I'll never know for sure.
zBrown

Ice climber
Brujò de la Playa
Apr 9, 2015 - 07:57pm PT
^Just outa curiosity I spose, what month was Bob Dylan in Yosemite? He doesn't even climb does he? Did he have a frisbee with him?

Ament, where are you?


Linda-wise, here's my favorite. Linda and The Stoned Ponys played at UCI, (where I had the keys to the kingdom and thus access to backstage). Apparently, some folks never get off the stone, though I think Jackson actually did later.







The drug chronicles, while interesting, are not all that great in the end.



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rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Apr 9, 2015 - 08:39pm PT
zBrown...you sure that wasn't Mister Rodgers doing Linda ...?
zBrown

Ice climber
Brujò de la Playa
Apr 9, 2015 - 08:48pm PT
It was before iPhones and stuff, so I can't be sure but backstage I thought I heard her say "roger and out".

was it

Jolly
Bannister
Federer
Miller
Fry
Waters
Moore

Beats the shit!! outa me.



Licky

Mountain climber
California
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 21, 2015 - 11:16pm PT
Well ladies and a "few" gentlemen, it’s been a full ten years since I posted this thread. I have learned so much about the event that took place at Lower Merced Pass Lake. In the beginning Pam Glisky and I had no knowledge of what went on in Yosemite other than the Park Service was trying to hit her up for the cleanup operation which she finally beat. We knew nothing of climbers making their way up to the lake and sneaking off with tons of Mexican dope. The climbers and Park employees that have contacted me with their stories have been golden. So have been those that wanted to tell the stories of others as if they were theirs.

I have had a couple of unnamed sources that have provided guidance regarding who was really at the lake and those who just let it be assumed that they were there. As I said in the beginning of this thread, I am not out to "out" anyone and I stick with that premise.

The story has taken me and a couple of private investigators to some very interesting places that we had not counted on. The reason for the slowness of this book is because we think we may have found a Federal connection with the plane crash. With that said, things tend to grind to slow motion as every step is analyzed and determined for the validity of the information.

The money for the purchase of the aircraft has political connections that at the time might have put the White House into deep do do. This is still being researched, but we have confidence in our sources.

As I have said before, I don’t have any time limits for this book. I want to get the information straight, accurate, and without refute. Anyone can write a novel based on a few facts, but this is not what I’m doing. With that said, I continue to move forward. I have after 13 years moved on to a new job within the same arena that I have been in. This job takes up a huge amount of my time leaving me with the weekends to perform research and writing.

I thank those that have provided support over the years as they all seem to understand what it is that I am trying to accomplish. The story is not over and the fat lady has not sung.
AusRod

Social climber
Gunning
Apr 22, 2015 - 02:22am PT
Hehe Licky is all at sea. If he posts rude nonsense replies under other avatars, as he's done for ten years, his thread gets locked. Love it! Where to now I wonder? The book?
zBrown

Ice climber
Brujò de la Playa
Apr 22, 2015 - 07:54am PT
This ain't twitter you know, this is America. Land of the free. Don't tread on me.

Twitter threatens abusive trolls with account lockdown
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2405167/twitter-threatens-abusive-trolls-with-account-lockdown


Looking on the bright side, Ric maybe running up against a possible Guinness award. The dark side. Break on through to it.


cuvvy

Sport climber
arkansas
Apr 22, 2015 - 10:36am PT
Keep it up! Show all these jealous fools.
Psilocyborg

climber
Apr 22, 2015 - 04:20pm PT
So what you are saying Rick is that the plane was enroute to an illuminati party?
zBrown

Ice climber
Brujò de la Playa
Apr 22, 2015 - 05:32pm PT
Has anyone actually attended a seance?

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