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Albion

Trad climber
Bristol, UK
Sep 7, 2013 - 11:45am PT
Hey Rick, is that correct then, what Stephen Ruby said?

"catastrophic wing separation that was due to sabotage"

Implies there was no engine failure but a wing came off due to sabotage.

Someone loosened some bolts eh?

Explains the initial finding of just one wing some way from the lake I guess...

Credit: Ron Lykins
zBrown

Ice climber
Brujo de La Playa
Sep 7, 2013 - 03:06pm PT
LOADstar Lightning never strikes twice.

Can we at least get some calculations on the mean time to failure of wings at various torque settings. C'mon now isn't this a scientific endeaver?

How many bolts? Metric?

Was it the Arellano-Felix group fiddling with the clevis?

Why din't they just shoot 'em or hang them from a bridge.

Who was president in 1977?

EDIT:
No takers huh?
Well it was Jimmy Carter and we all remember the UFO Incident

One evening in 1969, two years before he became governor of Georgia, Carter was preparing to give a speech at a Lions Club meeting. At about 7:15 p.m (EST), one of the guests called his attention to a strange object that was visible about 30 degrees above the horizon to the west of where he was standing. Carter described the object as being bright white and as being about as bright as the moon. It was said to have appeared to have closed in on where he was standing but to have stopped beyond a stand of pine trees some distance from him. The object is then said to have changed color, first to blue, then to red, then back to white, before appearing to recede into the distance.

Carter felt that the object was self-luminous, but not a solid in nature. Carter's report indicates that it was witnessed by about ten or twelve other people, and was in view for ten to twelve minutes before it passed out of sight

There has to be a connection. Wrenching and riding aliens?



scooter

climber
fist clamp
Sep 7, 2013 - 03:26pm PT
Supertopo is always a very " scientific endeaver".
RyanD

climber
Squamish
Sep 7, 2013 - 05:12pm PT
Depends who you ask scooter, some would say that this was all "created" for us in some mysterious way. That's for another thread tho!
Licky

Mountain climber
California
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 8, 2013 - 01:22pm PT
When I interviewed the guy that had the salvage contract up at the lake, I asked him who was present when the plane was hauled out? He said his crew and a couple of Park Rangers. He said NTSB was not present. Through a FOIA request I asked NTSB to provide me with all reports, field notes, photos, and sketches. They responded that they had no records for this event in their archives. After talking to a retired NTSB investigator, he was not surprised. Dope smugglers die in a plane that is no longer being produced for commercial sale.

I have heard from over four different sources that they thought the plane had been tampered with. Each speak of a different part of the plane. The only real piece of evidence was in the fuselage of the aircraft when it was hauled out. A new oil line for the left engine was found in its wooden crate. The pilot Glisky had been told in Mexico when the plane was being loaded that there was an oil leak in the left engine. He said he knew and would have it replaced after this flight.

There is no evidence that can point at these other stories as proof. The plane was hauled out of the lake, cut up in pieces that a helicopter could lift out to a flatbed tractor trailer and then hauled down to a junk yard in Fresno. I think we've located the yard, but the guy running it says all plane crash debris is brought to him and he can't remember the event.

rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Sep 8, 2013 - 01:54pm PT
Why couldn't you haul the old plane parts back to the valley for a facelift rebuild project...How many gallons of glue would it take to re-assemble the beast..?
Albion

Trad climber
Bristol, UK
Sep 8, 2013 - 02:19pm PT
OK Rick, so do you reckon Ruby is on the money or is he just repeating hearsay?

You imply an oil problem with an engine, but being told about said problem before the flight doesn't really sound like sabotage.

Plus was Glisky just an 'employee' or what? No-one would deliberately down their own plane and waste a full load unless the stakes were higher than the load (and plane's) value would they? Or was there something else going on?

Oh yea, that's probably the main piece of intrigue that's gonna sell your book so I don't suppose you want to spell out what the dudes south of the border told you, fair enough.

Still waiting to buy a copy by the way :-)
sidmo

Sport climber
general delivery
Oct 8, 2013 - 02:15pm PT
. . . etc.

another month, another post, not another book, nor even a chapter . . . nor even a chapter of contents

perhaps licky has too much data coming in from his buddies at the NSA to cram it all into a book

. . . etc.
Hardman Knott

Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
Oct 8, 2013 - 03:48pm PT
I have to say, this is getting to be almost as tedious as the thread where "pyro" (aka "Medusa" aka Jeff Constine) continually revives his long-dead, self-masturbatory and self-propogated "appreciation" thread by posting endless pictures of himself, many (if knott most) of them self-portraits.

Carry on...
michaeld

Sport climber
Sacramento
Oct 8, 2013 - 03:51pm PT
Did someone say Self masturbation pictures?
splitter

Trad climber
SoCal Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
Oct 8, 2013 - 04:02pm PT
^ They're no longer allowed on the Taco. They went the way of the boob thread, except a year or so earlier.
zBrown

Ice climber
Brujo de La Playa
Nov 5, 2013 - 06:40pm PT
New Details in Drug Tunnel Discovery at U.S./Mexico Border

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/New-Details-in-Drug-Tunnel-Discovery-at-USMexico-Border-230533801.html#ixzz2jpST9p5p

The destination after exiting the tunnel was a warehouse 1/2 mile from my house.

I'm assembling a raiding party as we speak. It's gonna be easy. No long hike, no ice, no airplane fuel ...

Book title at this time, uncertain. Working title:

Tunnel of Exxxtasy Revisited.








Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Nov 5, 2013 - 07:48pm PT
NTSB doesn't devote many resources to General Aviation accidents especially, as Licky noted,
it is a relatively rare plane and nobody of any consequence is involved. Even Galen Rowell's
crash was a fairly cursory investigation. With that in mind I fail to see how any conclusions
can be anything other than conjecture based on hearsay.
cuvvy

Sport climber
arkansas
Nov 5, 2013 - 08:59pm PT
It will be a good book. Keep plugging away.
lostinshanghai

Social climber
someplace
Nov 6, 2013 - 03:18pm PT

Credit: lostinshanghai


$1,000.00 INCENTIVE

Information regarding the above photo: Where? When? What? Why? And especially WHO and whom/whomers?

Close: less $$$$ but right on guaranteed. I doubt there will be any but you never know: Four possibilitiesĺ.

Info sent would be classified and kept classified; would not even have to give your name just the details.

My assessment: I am sure I will not get any but strange things do happen for reasons unknown.

And you would think this thread is dead or run it's course.

You want to start sidmo

zBrown

Ice climber
Brujo de La Playa
Nov 6, 2013 - 06:27pm PT
Ah this is just like picking the low hanging fruit. The "credit" on the photo is lostinshanghai.

That's the who part.

Just send me $1000 in bitcoins at the usual address.

What's the going rate for what, where, & why?

I wonder if those tunnel diggers get paid in pesos de bitcoins?
TMJesse

Mountain climber
Olympia, WA
Nov 6, 2013 - 07:35pm PT
That building is now "Mike's Pizza," 14721 Mono Way, Sonora, CA.

http://www.mikespizzasonora.com

Mike's Pizza, 14721 Mono Way <br/>
Sonora
Mike's Pizza, 14721 Mono Way
Sonora
Credit: Google Maps

Sorry for the crappy photo. Look on Google Maps, and it is unmistakable. The tan building in the back and some sort of square vent hole makes it a perfect match. I knew I had seen that place before. When to I show up at Safeway for my Western Union?
▀ ╬ ě T ă H

Boulder climber
extraordinaire
Nov 6, 2013 - 08:07pm PT
... the initial finding of just one wing some way from the lake I guess...
Very similar image in my memory (as albion's foto) of a flap or wing part I came across, off the trail below Ottoway Lake back in '79 or so, on a backpack around the Clark range.
splitter

Trad climber
SoCal Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
Nov 6, 2013 - 09:41pm PT
It's gonna be easy.

zBro,

i'm in, and close at hand (east county/lakeside). but if it's already gone down, spot me some reefer and we can work out the details later, eh?
lostinshanghai

Social climber
someplace
Nov 6, 2013 - 11:40pm PT
Not bad for a start. $1.25 x 2. 2.50.

What was name before it became mikes
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