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Licky

Mountain climber
California
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 23, 2014 - 02:52am PT
Khoi....oh yeah, the book is in full swing. I'm just not publishing excerpts to this forum. I can see a number of wannabies on this forum using the data to put together their own version of the event. Sidmo for one...I have no faith in his ethics so I'll just do this by myself.

There is a video production company that is running parallel to me to develop a documentary along the same lines. We have been sharing data and we both have been discovering a ton of information.
cuvvy

Sport climber
arkansas
Feb 23, 2014 - 01:56pm PT
Keep on keepin on. It would make the book much more interesting if you could compile a list of all the people who went up to the plane, what they did with the money, and where they are today.
It all sounds fascinating.
Licky

Mountain climber
California
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 23, 2014 - 08:04pm PT
curvy...many have told me about what they did. Quite a few don't want their names used, and not because of the IRS, but more due to their families know nothing of the event and their partcipation. However, those that have said tell it, they will be included.
zBrown

Ice climber
Brujo de la Playa
Feb 23, 2014 - 08:25pm PT
I believe Shakespeare wrote a play about this.

For the sake of correctness, neither the Brotherhood nor the Coronado boys had a plane.

Somebody had a mighty fine freighter, though cars worked well.

Canning factory was useful.



































Much Ado about the 1991 Aeroplane crash on Otay Mountain.


Modesto Mutant

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, CA
Feb 23, 2014 - 09:48pm PT
I think I'm finally coming down from the high of smoking that plane crash weed back in 1977.
sidmo

Sport climber
general delivery
Feb 24, 2014 - 08:59am PT
UPDATE TO THIS POST - EKAT IS DISTURBED AT MISPELLS IN THIS POST - I ADRESS HIM IN A LATER POST - BE WARNED, SOME SPELLING AND GRAMMAR ISSUES MAY EXIST ON MY POSTS - NOT SORRY


LICKY - YOU ARE WRONG AGAIN - NO SURPRISE THERE -

I WANT TO GO ON THE RECORD HERE: I HAVE NO PLAN, OR DESIRE TO EITHER RAID LICKY'S MANUSCRIPT OR WRITE ABOUT THE PLANE - AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN - LICKY, YOU CAN CONTINUE IN YOUR DELUSION IF YOU CHOOSE, BUT YOU SEEM PARANOID TO ME - I DON'T EXPECT YOU TO UNDERSTAND THIS, BECAUSE I HAVE ALREADY DETERMINED THAT YOU ARE A MORON, BUT I HAVE BEEN PULLING FOR YOU TO PUBLISH - LIKE OTHERS, I JUST WANT TO READ YOUR STORY, IF YOU REALLY HAVE ONE TO WRITE - I OFFERRED TO HELP WITH EDITING, SINCE THAT IS SOMETHING I ACTUALLY DO A GREAT DEAL OF, BUT YOU GOT NEEDLESSLY PARANOID ABOUT MY INTENTIONS AND ARE DISMISSIVE OF MY ABILITY TO PERFORM THE TASK - OK, THAT'S YOUR PREOGATIVE - IT'S YOUR RIGHT TO BE MISTAKEN, AND YOU ARE - I HAVE NEVER RAIDED ANOTHER'S INFORMATON FOR MY OWN PROJECTS - I SCRUPULOUSLY CREDIT ANY REFERENCES I USE, AND I HAVE NEVER, I REPEAT NEVER PLAIGERIZED IN ANY WAY - IT'S TABOO FOR ACADEMICS IN CASE YOU DIDN'T KNOW - I'D NEVER RISK MY REPUTATION TO STEAL ANYTHING FROM YOU OR ANYONE ELSE - FOR YOU TO SUGGEST OTHERWISE JUST UNDERSCORES MY OPINION THAT YOU ARE AN UPROFESSIONAL AMATUER AT BEST, AND A VINDICTIVE POSER AT WORST - BUT I WOULD NEVER ACCUSE YOU OR ANYONE ELSE OF PLAIGERISM - THAT IS A LOADED ACCUSATION IN OUR FIELD, AS YOU CLEARLY DO NOT RECOGNIZE - I HAVE ACCUSED YOU OF THINGS THAT ARE SUBJECTIVE, IN OTHER WORDS I HAVE MERELY EXPRESSED MY OPINION - YOU ARE STEPPING OUT OF THAT BOX IF YOU ACCUSE ME OF PLAIGERISM - YOU CANNOT PROVE IT FOR ONE SIMPLE REASON: IT IS UNTRUE - SO LICKY, YOU ARE WRONG AGAIN, AND YOU LOOK LIKE A FOOL - I HAVE NEVER HEARD OF A JOURNALIST OR WRITER ACCUSING ANOTHER OF SUCH A CRIME WITHOUT PROOF, AND YOU SHOULD APOLIGIZE FOR THE SAKE OF YOUR OWN PROFESSIONAL INTEGRITY, IF INDEED, YOU CLAIM TO HAVE ANY - IF YOU DO NOT RETRACT AND APOLIGIZE RIGHT HERE IN THIS FORUM, AND IN A TIMELY MANNER YOU WILL BE DISMISSED BY ANY REPUTABLE JOURNALISTS, PERHAPS THE ONES DOING THE DOCUMENTARY IN FACT - WATCH WHAT YOU SAY MORON, WE'RE PAYING ATTENTION
eKat

Trad climber
Less than a second shy of 49 minutes
Feb 24, 2014 - 09:29am PT
LICKY - YOU ARE WRONG AGAIN - NO SURPRISE THERE -

I WANT TO GO ON THE RECORD HERE: I HAVE NO PLAN, OR DESIRE TO EITHER RAID LICKY'S MANUSCRIPT OR WRITE ABOUT THE PLANE - AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN - LICKY, YOU CAN CONTINUE IN YOUR DELUSION IF YOU CHOOSE, BUT YOU SEEM PARANOID TO ME - I DON'T EXPECT YOU TO UNDERSTAND THIS, BECAUSE I HAVE ALREADY DETERMINED THAT YOU ARE A MORON, BUT I HAVE BEEN PULLING FOR YOU TO PUBLISH - LIKE OTHERS, I JUST WANT TO READ YOUR STORY, IF YOU REALLY HAVE ONE TO WRITE - I OFFERRED TO HELP WITH EDITING, SINCE THAT IS SOMETHING I ACTUALLY DO A GREAT DEAL OF, BUT YOU GOT NEEDLESSLY PARANOID ABOUT MY INTENTIONS AND ARE DISMISSIVE OF MY ABILITY TO PERFORM THE TASK - OK, THAT'S YOUR PREOGATIVE - IT'S YOUR RIGHT TO BE MISTAKEN, AND YOU ARE - I HAVE NEVER RAIDED ANOTHER'S INFORMATON FOR MY OWN PROJECTS - I SCRUPULOUSLY CREDIT ANY REFERENCES I USE, AND I HAVE NEVER, I REPEAT NEVER PLAIGERIZED IN ANY WAY - IT'S TABOO FOR ACADEMICS IN CASE YOU DIDN'T KNOW - I'D NEVER RISK MY REPUTATION TO STEAL ANYTHING FROM YOU OR ANYONE ELSE - FOR YOU TO SUGGEST OTHERWISE JUST UNDERSCORES MY OPINION THAT YOU ARE AN UPROFESSIONAL AMATUER AT BEST, AND A VINDICTIVE POSER AT WORST - BUT I WOULD NEVER ACCUSE YOU OR ANYONE ELSE OF PLAIGERISM - THAT IS A LOADED ACCUSATION IN OUR FIELD, AS YOU CLEARLY DO NOT RECOGNIZE - I HAVE ACCUSED YOU OF THINGS THAT ARE SUBJECTIVE, IN OTHER WORDS I HAVE MERELY EXPRESSED MY OPINION - YOU ARE STEPPING OUT OF THAT BOX IF YOU ACCUSE ME OF PLAIGERISM - YOU CANNOT PROVE IT FOR ONE SIMPLE REASON: IT IS UNTRUE - SO LICKY, YOU ARE WRONG AGAIN, AND YOU LOOK LIKE A FOOL - I HAVE NEVER HEARD OF A JOURNALIST OR WRITER ACCUSING ANOTHER OF SUCH A CRIME WITHOUT PROOF, AND YOU SHOULD APOLIGIZE FOR THE SAKE OF YOUR OWN PROFESSIONAL INTEGRITY, IF INDEED, YOU CLAIM TO HAVE ANY - IF YOU DO NOT RETRACT AND APOLIGIZE RIGHT HERE IN THIS FORUM, AND IN A TIMELY MANNER YOU WILL BE DISMISSED BY ANY REPUTABLE JOURNALISTS, PERHAPS THE ONES DOING THE DOCUMENTARY IN FACT - WATCH WHAT YOU SAY MORON, WE'RE PAYING ATTENTION


^ ^ ^ ^ BEST PARODY, EVER!


Unless, of course you really were trying to woo us with your professional writing/editing skills. . . because, if you were, MAYBE YOU SHOULD HAVE RUN IT THROUGH A SPELL CHECKER BEFORE HITTING "Post this Reply."

Just a thought.
Barbarian

climber
Feb 24, 2014 - 09:42am PT
^^^^^^^^ +10

eKat

Trad climber
Less than a second shy of 49 minutes
Feb 24, 2014 - 09:44am PT
Thank you, very much. . . . . . . . . . . I'll be here all week!

:-)
zBrown

Ice climber
Brujo de la Playa
Feb 24, 2014 - 10:16am PT
Anyway, the moral of the story is "crime begets more crime" and usually not much else.

So say you one, so say you all?

WA State To Prosecute Owner of Derelict Sunken Freighter Near Tacoma (1-17-2014)
It’s being called the biggest case of environmental crime in Washington in over a decade — and the sunken boat in question was once part of the biggest drug sting in U.S. history! Attorney General Bob Ferguson has filed formal charges against the owner of a derelict freighter that sank near Tacoma in Pierce County. The vessel took another ship to the bottom with it, and caused a major environmental cleanup of leaking oil. But this isn’t the first time this vessel has been in the news. 36 years ago, it was part of a record-setting drug bust!

Ferguson stated Wednesday that Stephen G. Mason will be facing a variety of charges relating to the sinking of the 167-foot Helena Star. The rusting freighter was moored in Hylebos Waterway in Pierce County near Tacoma, and sank last January, spilling hundreds of gallons of fuel oil and other chemicals into the water.

In February 2012, after receiving complaints about the condition of the ship, the U.S. Coast Guard and state Department of Ecology boarded the vessel and found it in imminent danger of sinking. It was so bad there was a tree growing out of its cargo hold! After Mason was notified that March, nothing was done to move or salvage it prior to its sinking.

It was tied to another vessel, The Golden West, and it too capsized. Ferguson said Mason will be charged with ship abandonment (90 days in jail and $1,000 fine) and discharge polluting (up to a year in jail and $10,000 fine).

An investigation showed Mason, or someone on his behalf, allegedly removed anything of value from the ship, pumped out most of the diesel fuel, then just abandoned the freighter. It was so bad the state legislature had to appropriate $4.5 million for water cleanup and dismantling and salvage of the two ships!

But the Helena Star has an even more checkered past. The old freighter, originally built in Holland in 1947, was once part of the biggest marijuana bust in U.S. history! The Star was intercepted off the Washington coast by the U.S. Coast Guard in 1978, carrying 37 TONS of pot! The crew of 10 were convicted of drug smuggling, two of them after they fled to Bolivia. One of the leaders, a former champion freestyle skier named Mike Lund from Squim, eluded authorities for 23 years until he was finally caught in 2001. He had assumed a new identity as “Steven McCain” and his fingerprints in a child support case traced back to his original identity. He plead guilty and was given a three-year sentence at age 65!
The confiscated ship then sat for years in Salmon Bay near the Ballard Bridge, until it was sold to Mason. But it was neglected and became a rusting wreck. The Star and Golden West were tops on the state’s list of 226 abandoned ships that needed to be disposed of.

And finally, as for the 37 tons of marijuana taken from the Star after it was capture by the Coast Guard, SeattleWeekly.com reports it was sent up in flames in an industrial furnace…or so federal officials say!
sidmo

Sport climber
general delivery
Feb 24, 2014 - 10:39am PT
ekat, are you lame or just another lickylicker? I don't spellcheck this shyt, why should I? I type into the box and post and don't give a crap if it comes out correct - this isn't publication, its a rant/thread - you are an idiot, if a lack of spellchecking is all you can find to criticize then go ahead on - that's the thing about you guys, you look for things that reinforce your pre-conceived opinions and prejudices rather than read each post objectively - the content of that post to which you saw fit to criticize was about plaigerism - do you have an opinion or position on that? or is it over your head? licky accused me of having an intent to plaigerise (do a spellcheck on me acehole, i'm not shure I got that one rite)- do you agree or disagree? show your intellect or lack thereof, not your ass

AND BY THE WAY - IF YOU USE AN ELIPSIS AFTER A PERIOD THEN FOUR DOTS ARE CALLED FOR, NOT THE USUAL THREE - AN ELIPSIS ALWAYS INCLUDES A SPACE ON EACH END - SINCE YOU'RE NITPICKING ME THERE'S A NIT TO PICK ON YOUR POST - YOU AND YOUR LICKY ARE MORONS, AND AGAIN, THAT'S MY SUBJECTIVE OPINION
eKat

Trad climber
Less than a second shy of 49 minutes
Feb 24, 2014 - 10:46am PT
Dood. . . . . . . . . I was giving you the benefit of the doubt. . . . . . . . . . . . . it could have been a parody, right?

You missed the perfect out.

Oh well. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . I'm an idiot!

:-)

sidmo

Sport climber
general delivery
Feb 24, 2014 - 10:51am PT
HA HA - YOU PHUCKED UP YOUR ELIPSIS AGAIN, DOOD - NO PARODY HERE - WHY WOULD I BOTHER TRYING TO GET THIS BUNCH TO UNDERSTAND THE NUANCES OF PARODY?

AND JUST WHAT IS "IT" THAT YOU SEEMTO THINK I WANT A "PERFECT OUT" FROM?

PERFECT OUT? PLEASE - THAT WOULD IMPLY THAT I GIVE A PHUCK WHAT YOU BOZOS THINK, AND I DONT
WBraun

climber
Feb 24, 2014 - 10:51am PT
sidmo -- "you look for things that reinforce your pre-conceived opinions and prejudices"

Speak for yourself ya freaking stupid over emotional deluded nutcase.

You are the one who originally came roaring out of the gate here with nothing but preconceived opinions and prejudices against the Lickey and others.

You're a stupid certified nutcase.

You're brain is fried from all the bong hits you've hit yourself with all these years.

You are the real moron here dude and everyone knows it ......

sidmo

Sport climber
general delivery
Feb 24, 2014 - 10:56am PT
EVERYONE KNOWS IT?

HEY EVERYONE!!

IS BRAWNY SPEAKING FOR YOU WITH YOUR APPROVAL? DID HE GET YOUR OPINION AND THEN DO YOU THINK HE COMPILED HIS DATA BEFORE ACERTAINING WHAT THE PREVAILING OPINION IS? OR IS BRAWNY GIVING US HIS OPINION WHILE STATING THAT IT IS A MAJORITY OF "EVERYONE'S"? WAS ANY OTHER POSTER ON THIS THREAD CONTACTED BY BRAWNY AND ASKED WHERE THEY STOOD ON THE MATTER?

BETTER YET, DOES IT MATTER? DOESN'T TO ME, DESPITE WHAT YOU MIGHT THINK, OR WANT OTHERS TO BELIEVE
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Feb 24, 2014 - 10:59am PT
the content of that post to which you saw fit to criticize was about plaigerism - do you have an opinion or position on that?

Academic? There is a word, in Academics, for an "Editor" whom can't or won't spell 'plagiarism' correctly, and whom won't use a spell check out of stubborn, delusional belief in their superior ability...Student.


The all Caps thing is pretty cliche as well.
sidmo

Sport climber
general delivery
Feb 24, 2014 - 11:10am PT
AGAIN FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE PARSING MY TEXT:

I DO NOT SPELLCHECK FOR THIS STUFF AND HAVE NO INTENTION TO - IF YOU THINK THAT IT MATTERS YOU'RE JUST STUPID - I'M NOT ASKING FOR YOUR APPROVAL OF MY WRITING OR EDITING SKILLS, I'M QUITE SECURE IN THAT DEPARTMENT, PHUCK YOU VERY MUCH

I'M STILL WAITING FOR SOMEONE TO STOP CARRYING LICKY'S WATER LONG ENOUGH TO SAY WHETHER YOU THINK IT IS ACCEPTABLE TO ACCUSE SOMEONE OF HAVING AN INTENT TO DO ANYTHING WRONG WITHOUT EVIDENCE

OUR JUDICIAL SYSTEM, INDEED THAT OF THE ENTIRE WESTERN WORLD IS BASED ON A RULE OF LAW THAT DISCOURAGES SUCH ACCUSATIONS - IF LICKY'S TACTICS WERE LEGAL IN LAW ENFORCEMENT, WHICH HE CLAIMS A CONNECTION TO AND AFFINITY WITH, WE WOULD NOT EVEN HAVE SUCH BASIC RIGHTS AS THE RULE OF HABEAS CORPUS - YOU GUYS ON LICKY'S BANDWAGON SHOULD CONSIDER A LIFE IN WHICH NARROW-MINDED RULERS COULD DECIDE THAT THEIR SUBJECTIVE OPINIONS WERE SACROSANCT, AS LICKY SEEMS TO WITH HIS ACCUSATION

ps - I USE THE CAPS SOPMETIMES AND ITS USUALLY RANDOM - I'M JUST TYPING IN A MANNER THAT MAKES IT EASIER TO READ ON MY LAPTOP - OF COURSE IF I WAS ACTUALLY WORKING, I'D BE IN MICROSOFT WORD AND PROOFREADING FOR MISSPELLS AND OTHER MISTAKES - YOU BOZOS WILL NOT ADRESS THE MESSAGE ONLY ATTACK THE MESSENGER - MAYBE YOU WATCH FOX NEWS TOO
Timid TopRope

Social climber
the land of Pale Ale
Feb 24, 2014 - 11:14am PT
If it wasn't for Sid humping licky's leg all these years this thread would have faded away.

Too funny.

In case anyone missed it: a few years back when Sid joined the "conversation" I outed him but did not reveal his last name. Still amazed that I am the only one on this thread that remembers him.

Don't want to scroll back? No problemo. Allow me to reiterate my astute observations from 1977: Sid was mooching off the Curry slaves in Boystown. He was known as the Hippy Hustler as he made money as a scalper at concerts aimed at hippies.

My buddy, Jack stole his girlfriend and Sid became the bitter little man that we read today. He is too cowardly to reveal his true identity but like all internet trolls this suits him perfectly.

Sid is pushing 60 yet was still going to school studying the anachronistic and dead art of journalism a couple years back. He actually thinks he is a journalist and a "writer ".

I laugh robustly and eagerly anticipate the pithy come-back headed my way.
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Feb 24, 2014 - 11:24am PT
the anachronistic and dead art of journalism

ouch- truth hurts,
sidmo

Sport climber
general delivery
Feb 24, 2014 - 11:26am PT
JACK WENT FOR SANDY AFTER I DUMPED HER AND I SAW THEM AT THE FROST SHOW AT STANFORD - THEY WERE'NT HOLDING HANDS OR ANYTHING, LOOKED PRETTY PLATONIC TO ME- MAYBE IT HEATED UP LATER, BUT TWO YEARS LATER I WAS LIVING IN LA AND WOULD STAY AT HER PLACE IN BERKELY FOR SEX AND LODGING WHILE I WAS IN TOWN FOR CONCERTS - NEVER SAW OR HEARD ANYTHING FROM JACKASS THEN

IF I BUMMING OFF HIPPIES IN CURRY AS YOU CLAIM, WHAT SPECIFICALLY DID I GET FROM YOU? I DID SCALP TICKETS AS YOU SAY, BUT DUE TO THE RARITY OF SOLD-OUT EVENTS I ALMOST ALWAYS HAD TO SELL THEM FOR REGULAR COST OR LESS - I MADE MONEY BY PURCHASING IN BULK AT A DISCOUNT, PRETTY MUCH LIKE ANY OTHER ENTREPRENUER - I MADE MORE THAN CURRY EMPLOYEES AND I SUPPOSE SOME RESENTED THAT, AND MY FREEDOM - NOW, I DID TAKE ADVANTAGE OF Y.P.& C.CO. BY LIVING IN HOUSING FREE AND EATING FREE IN THE CAFETERIA, AHWAHNEE DINING ROOM AND SWEET SHOPPE - BUT THE LAST TIME II CHECKED, THE MANAGERS AT CURRY WERE NOT HIPPIES BY ANY STRETCH OF THE IMAGINATION

HOPE THAT WAS PITHY ENOUGH FOR YOU
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