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Mr Roy

climber
Seattle
May 2, 2013 - 07:04pm PT
Stay Tuned..
Stay Tuned..
Credit: Mr Roy
sidmo

Sport climber
general delivery
May 2, 2013 - 07:49pm PT
adios no-migos
Timid TopRope

Social climber
'used to be Paradise, CA
May 2, 2013 - 07:56pm PT
Sidmo and I have a mutual friend who got into some serious trouble with the law in 77 and was looking at hard time for his felony. His lawyer successfully argued in court that our friend could not be held responsible for his actions as he was temporarily insane from smoking too much fuel laced airplane weed.

As Sid can attest; I am not making this up. Just using this aside to illustrate the point that there are many untold stories related to the plane that will never make it into any book.

TMJesse

Mountain climber
Olympia, WA
May 2, 2013 - 08:30pm PT
"Only I can spin your grass into gold; trust me"
"Only I can spin your grass into gold; trust me"
Credit: summer 1977 park bum

sidmo

Sport climber
general delivery
May 2, 2013 - 08:48pm PT
just kidding - trying to motivate licky to finish - nothing else seems to work
sidmo

Sport climber
general delivery
May 2, 2013 - 09:25pm PT
tim - youre right - but licky will never care about the peripheral stories, that to us are the story - i just want to read what he thinks is relevant - i'll speedread the chapters on plane mechanics and flight characteristics and get right to the meat, which will be the gist of the story - but his arrogance will hinder him and we know that - oh well - what brand of razor blades was that again?
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
May 2, 2013 - 10:26pm PT
there are many untold stories related to the plane that will never make it into any book.

This kind of begs two questions.

How many?

Why not?


sidmo

Sport climber
general delivery
May 3, 2013 - 07:34am PT
ZZbottom

You pose great questions. But I assumed their answers were obvious to anyone paying attention to this thread.

There are as many stories as there were people living in the park at that time . . . more, really, because some people have multiple tales to tell. Sorry you weren’t there – if you and the other skeptics (haters) had been you wouldn’t be so dismissive of other posters. In fact, your skepticism is indicative of your ignorance – if you had been there you’d realize that no one has a monopoly on the facts and no one’s story necessarily contradicts another’s story. You have the right to selectively and subjectively edit information for your own consumption, but you run the risk of both appearing and being misinformed if you choose to do so. So, there must be hundreds, if not thousands of stories out there, and Licky cannot be faulted for including and excluding them based on what he thinks his book should feature.

But that exclusion is tricky, and serves to answer the second question: the sheer volume of stories would produce a manuscript so unwieldy that it could hardly be edited properly, much less published. If every story made its way into his book the project would be akin to a set of encyclopedias. But Licky’s shortcomings, as it seems to me, is that he is content to exclude stories about the sociological impact of the unprecedented gold rush in favor of minutiae about technical aspects of the plane and the crash. Its not that he should omit details about what plane they were flying, etcetera, but that he should tell the tale comprehensibly and use his best judgment and take the advice of others in order to provide a representative sample of the experiences of everyone involved. My well-documented beef with Licky and others has to do with his and their arrogance at my early suggestions to that effect – I was attacked as being not only irrelevant but unconnected to the story itself. That these insults came from individuals who certainly were not there added insult to injury. Licky’s book, if and when he ever does publish (and I will be amazed if we ever get the opportunity to peruse its pages) will still be an interesting read, if only to ascertain what will be missing from the compendium. He has alienated at minimum this source, as I will never trust him with my accounts except in the most generalized form, and who knows how many others whose authors will be disinclined to communicate with someone as arrogant and unprofessional as to take personal offense at storytellers that he could just easily and quietly ignore. So many of his vitriolic posts should never have been articulated – their inclusion speaks to his naiveté. In short, Licky disrespects both the experience of some of the participants and observers and the academic process itself. History and Journalism are proud traditions that he seems to have too little respect for to call himself a practitioner of either or both. And whether he wants to admit it or not, those are the disciplines to which he should be committed in order to produce a volume worthy of the magnitude of the plane’s story. I call him a poser because he clearly has not studied the craft of writing and inexplicably changed his description of himself from “social” to “mountain” climber. He’s a stair climber at best, but as a paratrooper believes himself worthy of any title he chooses. If he likes jumping so much, to paraphrase a popular t-shirt back in the day he should “go jump in a lake.” If he likes climbing so much he should take the advice of a more popular shirt of the same era and “go climb a rock.” But he wants to “go write a book.” For that he should seek professional help, perhaps in more ways than one.
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
May 3, 2013 - 08:30am PT
Interesting that you know so much about the book, sid-monotonous. Have you read the draft?

There are indeed hundreds, thousands, millions of untold stories, most notably yours (due to lack of interest, I presume).

It's a book that revolves around drug dealers, a topic of marginal interest to most. My interest is because I knew or was acquainted with many of the big traders of the day. Some were very clever. I would bet that some of their undiscovered techniques are in use today.

I certainly don't hate anybody that posts on this thread and of course



Think about it.

Credit: zBrown

Wish I could linger and chat, but the UV index is climbing. Gotta go.




zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
May 3, 2013 - 11:44am PT
^now you're a fortune teller

I'm going down the road feeling bad now that I'm not up to your [puny] standard.

Credit: zBrown
Licky

Mountain climber
California
Topic Author's Reply - May 6, 2013 - 02:32am PT
sidmo...since you've deactived your email, my offer for a cup of coffee to discus your airplane history still stands. You up to the offer? I'm good with it....you? Just name the place, the time, and I'll be there. Its pretty simple.
Nitrox

climber
Norcal
May 16, 2013 - 10:02pm PT
Wow, deep subject?
Licky

Mountain climber
California
Topic Author's Reply - May 16, 2013 - 10:03pm PT
Come on sidmo. This is what you've wanted all along. Just let me know where and when. You can even use my email and no one will know except you and me.
Mr Roy

climber
Seattle
May 17, 2013 - 12:09am PT
Sidmo, don't do it !!

I got new info..
Mr Roy

climber
Seattle
May 18, 2013 - 08:38am PT
Greetings from a Fellow SuperTopo Member!

This message has been sent from a fellow registered SuperTopo climbing member to you.

The message is:
I thought we had a deal, you'd leave me alone and vis versa

Sent by: Licky


You know your insane..

3 ego ridden emails all because I posted the same photo you have up on twitter..

You notice no one cares about you or me any more except sidmo and i think he might have a dysfunctional crush on you..




The message is:
By now we have both posted enough on the internet that with a little internet savey we can figure out who is who. Me? I've posted my name, my phone number, and my city on this forum. If you want to play this game of outing, I'll be happy to take up the challenge. You good for it?

Sent by: Licky


The message is:
You sure you want to do this?

**
You sure are a fun guy Rick. Happy Anniversary, bra.**
*
Topic Author's Original Post - May 21, 2005 - 07:35pm PT

In 1977 a plane loaded with dope crashed into Lower Merced Pass Lake. I knew the pilot and his wife since high school. His wife and I are working on co-authoring a book about the incident. I am looking for anyone that can recall any stories about what went on in the area during the first few weeks following the crash. We are not looking to expose anyone, we are looking for stories to add to what we already knew happened up to that night.I have talked to a few ex park employees that were there at the time and have gotten their take on things. Anyone else?
***
Randisi

Social climber
Dalian, Liaoning
May 18, 2013 - 09:11am PT
This thread has to be way better than the book could ever be.
Psilocyborg

climber
May 18, 2013 - 12:10pm PT
Sidmo is doing so much to call attention to the book, I assume he is on Licky's payroll. Or an alter ego? ;-)
Mr Roy

climber
Seattle
May 22, 2013 - 05:49pm PT
Mr Roy

climber
Seattle
May 27, 2013 - 12:06am PT
Licky
9:05 PM (2 hours ago)

to me
Greetings from a Fellow SuperTopo Member!

This message has been sent from a fellow registered SuperTopo climbing member to you.

The message is:
So Mr. Roy...you good for a cup of joe? Want to talk about old times? Pick your time and place. I'll meet you there. You must have a lot of stories about this incident. I'd love to hear them.

Sent by: Licky


So is this a bot or have the PTB put a new employe in as the Licky avatar?

The real Rick S. would know better.. maybe..

edit:

It reminds me of getting a letter from the debt collection..
Licky

Mountain climber
California
Topic Author's Reply - May 29, 2013 - 08:51pm PT
Thinking of you Roy

Paranoia strikes deep
Into your life it will creep
It starts when you're always afraid
Step out of line, the men come and take you away

Its funny Roy. I have outted myself. I have posted my name, the city I live in, and my phone number. For some reason you want to play the master detective and post photos of me and the history of my school life as if this will make me shrink into the shadows. The one thing you've not unearthed is me.

And to think that I am very familiar with Marginal Way. Who would have thought?
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