1977 Airplane Crash in Yosemite

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Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Apr 16, 2013 - 12:27pm PT
Long time, no see Sidmo. Judging from your post it was not long enough.
sidmo

Sport climber
general delivery
Apr 16, 2013 - 02:50pm PT
just stirring the pot, jon - should the thread stay dead? does it matter that i posted any more than it matters that no one else has for months? am i getting in the way? and if so, what is it i'm in the way of? if a tree falls in the forest, or if a post threads onto a dead forum . . . does anyone hear the sound? or should i fear the wrath of licky, brawny and the rest for defacing their beloved thread? it seems a bit threadbare of late
labrat

Trad climber
Auburn, CA
Apr 16, 2013 - 02:52pm PT
"Long time, no see Sidmo. Judging from your post it was not long enough." x2
sidmo

Sport climber
general delivery
Apr 16, 2013 - 06:19pm PT
labrat, you're so eloquent - and you know multiplication too? another genius here on licky's thread - guess it was bothering you too that i posted something when no one else had bothered to - i'm sure you've been much too busy to post (but not too busy to check the dead thread for activity)- you dudes crack me up - got anything on the plane? yeah, i didn't think so - you know, when we were your age we had more to do than hassle old climbers online . . . oh yeah, we weren't online then, we were on belay
labrat

Trad climber
Auburn, CA
Apr 16, 2013 - 06:25pm PT
Please add old to your description of me....... 46 and counting.
;-)
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Apr 16, 2013 - 06:58pm PT
Well, don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining, but the world of medicine has been revolutionized in the time it's taking to get the book out.

When it arrives we'll probably be able to it get via a direct neuro-electronic brain-feed.

Hi Ric:


sidmo

Sport climber
general delivery
Apr 17, 2013 - 09:32am PT
Interesting, but I fail to see the relevance -
does anyone who was there still read or post
about the plane anymore, or has Licky's thread
been reduced to random rants? Does anyone know
or remember anything about the alleged murder
of that person I mentioned and did it have
anything to do with the plane? We never knew
but some suspected that it may have. I wasn't
sure then, nor now. It seems to me that what
happened to the people involved has as much or
more significance to the overall story than
factoids about hydraulic fluid in the plane
itself, but I suspect Licky and the haters will
disagree . . . and likely attack me for being
stupid, etc. I'd be stupid if I told you what
happened without knowledge of the facts, which
I do not have. But to pose a question seems
legitimate on a thread that at least began as a
forum on the events of the plane crash. The peanut
gallery of youngsters who could not have been there
in 1977 that fill this thread may get their kicks
attacking posters like myself who don't write down
to their intellectual level, but does that help
Licky write the book? I canít see how it could.
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Apr 17, 2013 - 10:04am PT
Ric posted essentially the same message in several forums. Why this one mushroomed is an interesting question. Cheap entertainment I suppose.

I was not there, but I was very close to some other drug dealing operations. There is always a threat of murder associated with drug trafficing (even back in the more mellow early days). My Little League buddy and another friend I used to cruise with were possibly and definitely done in as a result of drugs deals gone bad.

I'd still read the book if it came out and the medicine vid is definitely relevant inasmuchas it's going to take a revolution to keep some (many) of the ST readers alive until it does. Good entertainment too.



On the morning of 12 October 1978, Vicious claimed to have awoken from a drugged stupor to find Nancy Spungen dead on the bathroom floor of their room in the Hotel Chelsea in Manhattan.

Since no one else has, I'll be the first to ask.

Was Nancy killed as part of a cover up of the events in Yosemite?
frank wyman

Mountain climber
montana
Apr 17, 2013 - 10:07am PT
I moved out of the valley just before this happened. Had several freinds that were at the scene gathering the spoils. They told me some really good first hand stories. I have tried to get them to read this thread and relate to those times but they are "paranoid" about speaking up for some reason. Will try to get them to at least read this and contribute, hopefully we can get some "new" stories soon....
Synchronicity

Trad climber
British Columbia, Canada
Apr 17, 2013 - 10:59am PT
I post one line telling you to stop flogging a dead horse. I never disagreed with your info, I never claim to have "been there" (i'm Canadian), never even mentioned Licky and his book. You respond with another gibberish text wall.....

Sidmo your level of narcissism would be considered downright impressive if it wasn't so embarrassing

Again I simply asked you to stop bumping a thread in which no information, no book, no changes have really occurred in years. But we all know you're not going to listen because you're only looking for an argument while trying to convince yourself that it's everyone else that is "hating".

Reasoning with you is like wrestling a pig in the mud, it doesn't take long to realize the pig likes it...
TMJesse

Mountain climber
Olympia, WA
Apr 17, 2013 - 11:22am PT
RBís demise was an isolated event unrelated to anything having to do with the plane crash. Licky already knows this.
sidmo

Sport climber
general delivery
Apr 17, 2013 - 11:40am PT
Yeah and maybe it was the galís husband getting revenge Ė but the odds of that happening to someone you know are low, and with some of the other things that happened after the plane made us wonder what the phuck was up. The timing alone makes it suspicious. But is the relevance of Sid Viscous due to the drug related death or my name?

More postings would be great, especially from those of us who were there. I can understand their reticence to speak out, perhaps you could serve as an intermediary. Secondhand stories can be very informative. In fact, if a story was related relatively soon after the fact, often the person telling the story will forget details (due to a myriad of reasons, perhaps senility) while the person to whom the story was told may remember the exact wording. In those cases the secondhand information can be as good or even better than a participantís retelling at a much later date.

Syncho, does your mouse work? It would be easier for you to scroll past my posts, if they bother you so, than to respond. Or are you just inserting yourself into a story to which you have nothing of relevance to offer? If you just want to diss me send me an email, donít litter the thread. This thread was effectively dead yesterday. I jumped back in and voila! Already one secondhand informant has been enticed to at least offer up the existence of some stories, and the reasons that they have not been put forward. I believe a lot of us are either offline or afraid to step forward with details. That should be understandable to any reasonable readers. Those of you who werenít involved have no standing to neither criticize nor judge those of us who were regarding our concerns. Read the posts or donít read them, let you mouse click take you to a better place if you donít like it here. But stop inserting yourself into a story in which you do not belong. Or continue, but it makes you look small. The fact that you are Canadian has nothing to do with it Ė I know some foreigners who were ďin on itĒ but oneís nationality has nothing to do with a story from Yosemite. Anyone who has spent any time at all there knows that the population of park residents is disproportionately international. If you are Canadian, and over 53, and were at the time a committed rock climber you could have lived there as easily as me. Curry Co. would have hired you for a season at least. Face it Syncho, youíre not old enough to have any relevance on this thread. I am not sharing info about events of the Civil Rights era for example Ė that was clearly before my time. Stop flaming and write on a thread which you might be able to offer more than speculative subjective opinion based on very little other than a thread about a book that may or may not be published . . . ever.

As for wrestling with a pig Ė it takes two to fight. Why do you bother to? If you donít want to get muddy take a hike, jump in a lake, or go climb a rock. And if you donít get the significance of that you sure as hell donít know much about Yosemite or the plane. Why donít you share some stories of events surrounding the climbing scene in Canada? I promise not to post oppositional vitriol if you do. I would not have standing to do so, just as you have no standing here.
ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Social climber
SLO, Ca
Apr 17, 2013 - 11:48am PT
I think mostly nobody beyond the small number of people actually involved really gives a sh#t about a two-bit drug smuggling operation gone awry in 1977.

Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Apr 17, 2013 - 12:01pm PT
I had a friend who flew drugs in the 70s and 80s, he got really tired of hearing people say "I thought you were dead"

As for this thread, "Ain't nobody got time for that . . . ."

sidmo

Sport climber
general delivery
Apr 17, 2013 - 12:14pm PT
I donít know about that Edgy, there was a ďmajor motion pictureĒ thought to be based in part on the story, as I understand. It could be a fascinating read if well done. I think Licky knows that, and his delay in publishing probably has much to do with the fact that this is a hell of a story and one he knows could be a transformative project for him as a writer. Heís probably just trying to get it right, to perfect the telling in a manner that WILL appeal to the lay reader. I for o0n, hope he succeeds, in spite of the fact that I believe he is misguided in his zeal to attack some potential sources. In his defense, he will probably get it right eventually, and I bet youíll find it more interesting than this thread.
frank wyman

Mountain climber
montana
Apr 17, 2013 - 12:22pm PT
Mr. Sidmo..Does the name Eric Moen, He was a waiter at the Ahwahnee, sound familiar at all?
sidmo

Sport climber
general delivery
Apr 17, 2013 - 09:28pm PT
Yeah I think so - been a long time, but I ate there most every day - whoops, let out a secret huh? wasn't that place pricey?
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Apr 17, 2013 - 09:51pm PT
I doubt it, but it would be nice for Ric if it was/is.




donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Apr 17, 2013 - 10:05pm PT
Nancy tried to get Sid to stop his steroid use and spend less time in the gym. He went into a rage and the rest is history.
sidmo

Sport climber
general delivery
Apr 18, 2013 - 12:40pm PT
again, just what does a sex pistol have to do with yosemite, climbing, or the plane? we had a punk rocker show up in the valley around planetime - he stuck out wearing black with really pale skin - because he heard i was a deadhead he sought me out for a fight, based on some erroneous assuption that fans of one kind of music were natural enemies of fans of another kind of music - it was the first time since hi school and the last time since that anyone picked a fight with me - so what again is the connection between a sex pistol and a yosemite climber? are you engaging in an intergenerational crosscultural conversation instead of talking about the phuckin plane again? i don't care, i can edit this thread with my mouse, but i just don't get it - some of you fellas confuse the shyt out of me with your own confusion - i'm sidmo, not sid viscous, sid ceasar or ass-sid - got it now, dumbass?
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