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madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Jan 6, 2017 - 03:30pm PT
I know that I'm inadvertently bumping this thread, which I would avoid if I could. But....

Please, God, NOOOOOOOOO!

No more!

Accckkkkkkk
Gnome Ofthe Diabase

climber
Out Of Bed
Jan 6, 2017 - 03:46pm PT
Tut,
If that is you schooling a fool about Russian Roulette; Planning to rap "of" one bolt.
A Single bolt, in crap rock @ the Pinnacles. A fool calling it self bignobody,
thnx for your perseverance!
There is no big thing about nobody ~iye', What A Maroon!~

I think the level of the debate has shifted to the damage of the reputations of all concerned.

The climbing sounds solid, Constant long fall potential and wicked hard climbing.

The need for anyone to prove anything to anyone has passed. What remains are bad feelings
About a great route and the reputations tarnished by egotism & xenophobia.
kingtut

Social climber
carmel, ca
Jan 6, 2017 - 04:41pm PT
^^^^Thanks for that Gnome. Nothing worse than some jackwagon spreading stupid and unsafe practice to newbies with "har-har worked for me!".

MP is mostly a sh#t show in those forums, Sportos and Randy Rappellers with some well meaning folks... Props to Rich Gold there, he has the patience of Job trying to share safe climbing technique.

Kinda went off on the BN dude, but he was poking the bear. :)
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Jan 6, 2017 - 04:44pm PT
Sorry, but I really wish this thread died a silent death. The term "haters" was birthed here in terms of usage on ST. I think that is a simplistic derogative too freely thrown around. It was not only applied to the "shitters" but also to people with different opinions.
I imagine that "Wings of Steel" is a fine climb and kudos to the first ascentionists but a thread laced with the terms "shitters" and "haters" in post after post makes my blood crawl.
It is, after all, one of many climbs on one of many cliffs in the wide, wide world of climbing....and climbing, mind you, wonderful activity that it may be;,is, in the final analysis...just climbing.
Studly

Trad climber
WA
Jan 6, 2017 - 04:44pm PT
The climbing sounds solid, Constant long fall potential and wicked hard climbing.

The need for anyone to prove anything to anyone has passed. What remains are bad feelings
About a great route and the reputations tarnished by egotism & xenophobia.

That in a nutshell sums up the whole Wings of Steel grand finale.
kingtut

Social climber
carmel, ca
Jan 6, 2017 - 05:06pm PT
Well, Jim I gotta say that none of us is beyond reproach, even the esteemed Ser Grossman, and despite climbing achievements or lack thereof as the case may be. I apologize that you find "haters" so loaded, in internet parlance its pretty benign, means irrational disapproval more or less....I was trying to be a peace maker more than anything, not trigger anyone. I am sorry.

If nothing else for the WoS team it is also intended to be a props....as some of the nicest people I have ever met in climbing or shared a rope with also dealt with an unfair share of Valley hazing and slander...probably more viscous than you have ever realized, and not easy to bear when it is their life's work that comes under attack as well as their being.

So it strikes a nerve in me too when I think of my friends and what they went through too, though I have never met the WoS team.
ionlyski

Trad climber
Kalispell, Montana
Jan 6, 2017 - 05:08pm PT
Yup Jim, I HATE the term haters. It is used to describe anyone with a different outlook, opinion or perspective. If you're not with the rest, then you're just a hater.

Haters gonna hate. Why don't people try to understand the other side more often instead of taking the lazy way out and use the term "haters"?

I know there's gonna be some haters now giving me sh#t for speaking out.
Oh well,
Love lives here!

Edit-I'm still with Steve Grossman on it though. Guess I'm another hater
drljefe

climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
Jan 6, 2017 - 05:14pm PT
Kind of a hater.

:-)
madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Jan 6, 2017 - 05:59pm PT
a thread laced with the terms "shitters" and "haters" in post after post makes my blood crawl.

Finally, Jim, on something we are agreed.

Let's let 'er die.
ionlyski

Trad climber
Kalispell, Montana
Jan 6, 2017 - 06:17pm PT
Kind of a hater.

True that. But you know I love dogs!
'Pass the Pitons' Pete

Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
Jan 6, 2017 - 11:13pm PT
There were never any "shitters" - there was only one "shitter".

But he no longer exists as such, because he felt bad for his actions and apologized, asked those he wronged for forgiveness, and was forgiven. A free gift, as it were, with no need for resitution paid.

Accordingly his slate has been wiped clean, as has his identity.

"Yup Jim, I HATE the term haters. It is used to describe anyone with a different outlook, opinion or perspective. If you're not with the rest, then you're just a hater.

Bollocks.

Everyone has a right to his own opinion, and to disagree. Certainly that does not make one a hater. However if one perceives oneself to be thought of as a hater, one ought to look in the mirror and ask oneself why.
Aeriq

Sport climber
100-year Visitor
Feb 10, 2019 - 10:17pm PT
Bump.

Credit: Aeriq
Off White

climber
Tenino, WA
Feb 11, 2019 - 09:35am PT
I hate you Erik.
'Pass the Pitons' Pete

Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
Feb 11, 2019 - 09:47am PT
Erik "E" Eriksson leading P3 of Winds of Change, sister route to Wings...
Erik "E" Eriksson leading P3 of Winds of Change, sister route to Wings of Steel, put up by Richard Jensen solo. Second ascent, fall of 2018. With PtPP and Neil Chelton.
Credit: 'Pass the Pitons' Pete

E leading on the Second Ascent of Winds of Change, right next door to Wings of Steel, but definitely not as hard!






Big Wall Jazz Jam with Jacob Raab and PtPP on Second Ascent, Winds of ...
Big Wall Jazz Jam with Jacob Raab and PtPP on Second Ascent, Winds of Change, fall 2018.
Credit: 'Pass the Pitons' Pete

I brought up my little piano and Jacob Raab brought his flugelhorn for a Big Wall Jazz Jam. Plenty of folks heard us playing John Coltrane and Thelonius Monk from all over the wall, and right down to the Meadows and Bridge.








El Cap Salute with E. and Neil Chelton
El Cap Salute with E. and Neil Chelton
Credit: 'Pass the Pitons' Pete

E. leading around the left side of the Pinnacle of Hammerdom while Neil belays - quite a terrifying place. A few days earlier, we got a minute or two of a "rain of sand", exactly what happened the year before on Waterfall Route before the big rockfall.

The route traverses up and left to the base of the Pinnacle, so we figured we'd be safe. It turns out the WHOLE Pinnacle of Hammerdom is QUITE expando - the crack on the left that Erik is leading was a fist crack in the afternoon sun, but three hours later after the rock cooled, it closed down into a hand crack, crushing two of our Camalots which we could NOT get out!

The entire feature is over two hundred feet high - one wonders how much longer it will remain attached. I would definitely recommend avoiding that area....
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