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Caz
Big Wall climber
Long Beach, CA.
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Wow! I came back to the taco stand just in time for this to pop up!
I see things haven't changed
SHOTS FIRED!
Zac
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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bump
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Yukk!!!
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Dogtown.
Trad climber
Marshell islands atoll
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I was there when it was put up, was witness to the whole controversy and over reaction. Turns out Mark Smith and the Mad Man put up a skillfully done climb. One of many that the are responsible for. Known for their aid both are good free climbers as well.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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I know that I'm inadvertently bumping this thread, which I would avoid if I could. But....
Please, God, NOOOOOOOOO!
No more!
Accckkkkkkk
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Gnome Ofthe Diabase
climber
Out Of Bed
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Tut,
If that is you schooling a fool about Russian Roulette; Planning to rap "of" one bolt.
A Single bolt, in crap rock @ the Pinnacles. A fool calling it self bignobody,
thnx for your perseverance!
There is no big thing about nobody ~iye', What A Maroon!~
I think the level of the debate has shifted to the damage of the reputations of all concerned.
The climbing sounds solid, Constant long fall potential and wicked hard climbing.
The need for anyone to prove anything to anyone has passed. What remains are bad feelings
About a great route and the reputations tarnished by egotism & xenophobia.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Sorry, but I really wish this thread died a silent death. The term "haters" was birthed here in terms of usage on ST. I think that is a simplistic derogative too freely thrown around. It was not only applied to the "shitters" but also to people with different opinions.
I imagine that "Wings of Steel" is a fine climb and kudos to the first ascentionists but a thread laced with the terms "shitters" and "haters" in post after post makes my blood crawl.
It is, after all, one of many climbs on one of many cliffs in the wide, wide world of climbing....and climbing, mind you, wonderful activity that it may be;,is, in the final analysis...just climbing.
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Studly
Trad climber
WA
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The climbing sounds solid, Constant long fall potential and wicked hard climbing.
The need for anyone to prove anything to anyone has passed. What remains are bad feelings
About a great route and the reputations tarnished by egotism & xenophobia.
That in a nutshell sums up the whole Wings of Steel grand finale.
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ionlyski
Trad climber
Kalispell, Montana
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Yup Jim, I HATE the term haters. It is used to describe anyone with a different outlook, opinion or perspective. If you're not with the rest, then you're just a hater.
Haters gonna hate. Why don't people try to understand the other side more often instead of taking the lazy way out and use the term "haters"?
I know there's gonna be some haters now giving me sh#t for speaking out.
Oh well,
Love lives here!
Edit-I'm still with Steve Grossman on it though. Guess I'm another hater
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drljefe
climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
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Kind of a hater.
:-)
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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a thread laced with the terms "shitters" and "haters" in post after post makes my blood crawl.
Finally, Jim, on something we are agreed.
Let's let 'er die.
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ionlyski
Trad climber
Kalispell, Montana
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Kind of a hater.
True that. But you know I love dogs!
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'Pass the Pitons' Pete
Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
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There were never any "shitters" - there was only one "shitter".
But he no longer exists as such, because he felt bad for his actions and apologized, asked those he wronged for forgiveness, and was forgiven. A free gift, as it were, with no need for resitution paid.
Accordingly his slate has been wiped clean, as has his identity.
"Yup Jim, I HATE the term haters. It is used to describe anyone with a different outlook, opinion or perspective. If you're not with the rest, then you're just a hater.
Bollocks.
Everyone has a right to his own opinion, and to disagree. Certainly that does not make one a hater. However if one perceives oneself to be thought of as a hater, one ought to look in the mirror and ask oneself why.
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Aeriq
Sport climber
100-year Visitor
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Feb 10, 2019 - 10:17pm PT
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Bump.
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Off White
climber
Tenino, WA
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Feb 11, 2019 - 09:35am PT
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I hate you Erik.
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'Pass the Pitons' Pete
Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
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Feb 11, 2019 - 09:47am PT
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E leading on the Second Ascent of Winds of Change, right next door to Wings of Steel, but definitely not as hard!
I brought up my little piano and Jacob Raab brought his flugelhorn for a Big Wall Jazz Jam. Plenty of folks heard us playing John Coltrane and Thelonius Monk from all over the wall, and right down to the Meadows and Bridge.
E. leading around the left side of the Pinnacle of Hammerdom while Neil belays - quite a terrifying place. A few days earlier, we got a minute or two of a "rain of sand", exactly what happened the year before on Waterfall Route before the big rockfall.
The route traverses up and left to the base of the Pinnacle, so we figured we'd be safe. It turns out the WHOLE Pinnacle of Hammerdom is QUITE expando - the crack on the left that Erik is leading was a fist crack in the afternoon sun, but three hours later after the rock cooled, it closed down into a hand crack, crushing two of our Camalots which we could NOT get out!
The entire feature is over two hundred feet high - one wonders how much longer it will remain attached. I would definitely recommend avoiding that area....
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Gunkie
Trad climber
Valles Marineris
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Topic Author's Reply - May 7, 2019 - 05:29am PT
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PtPP, killer content. Spectacular looking line (Winds of Change).
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'Pass the Pitons' Pete
Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
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Winds of Change is actually a decent route - we enjoyed our time up there.
WoC is certainly more "climbable" for mere mortals like myself than Wings of Steel. The hooking on Wings of Steel is way above my pay grade - I backed off as it is way way WAY too hard for me. I simply cannot put myself in the situation where 30- to 50-foot falls are not merely a possibility, but a certainty. No thanks!
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