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bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 30, 2012 - 02:30am PT
If all goes well, the parasites convince the stupid poor that they share the same cause by invoking religion or some other form of hate mongering.

It's a myth that the individual just takes care of her or himself, you are propped up by a society and your ideology is used like a weapon to keep "them" down. Enjoy your meal!

You must still be young and 'convinced'. Who do you think really takes more advantage of the 'poor' or 'disadvantaged'? Try to be honest with yerself.

Who always plays the race-card, the war-on-women card, etc... Who encourages food stamps and welfare?

Who promotes getting off those programs and becoming self-sufficient?

You can stew in stereotypes and rhetoric all day, but reality is real...bro.
Captain...or Skully

climber
Oct 30, 2012 - 02:34am PT
You don't climb much, huh?
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 30, 2012 - 02:45am PT
I just went last weekend, Skully. Does that have any relevance to anything?

Or is it only relevant if I don't go so that you can make some inane, stupid point?
Captain...or Skully

climber
Oct 30, 2012 - 03:19am PT
All points are inane & stupid after a while, man. It's just hot air.
Blahbitty blahbitty blah.
I can't see the attraction, maybe. Myna birds are cool for a while, too.
See ya...or probably not. It's all good.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Oct 30, 2012 - 03:47am PT

"That's how it works. The parasitic (in this case, Republicans) feed off the hard working (usually blue collar Democrat types). If all goes well, the parasites convince the stupid poor that they share the same cause by invoking religion or some other form of hate mongering"

So I guess there aren't any Democrats that are rich?

And the poor Democrats convince the smart poor with a form of love mongering?

Maybe like the love of evolution, or the love of mother nature. The love of things that you can see and touch?

Jus Hate'in
BB
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 30, 2012 - 10:01pm PT
All points are inane & stupid after a while, man. It's just hot air.
Blahbitty blahbitty blah.
I can't see the attraction, maybe. Myna birds are cool for a while, too.
See ya...or probably not. It's all good.


Yeah, maybe. And I see yer point.

I can only talk and spray about climbing rocks for so long though. Just like you hate politics. I just think politics is more relevant and has a much bigger impact on our lives, whether directly or indirectly. It still will get you.

Rocks, and spraying about climbing on a forum is mostly weak unless you're posting awesome pics or new topos or some sh#t.

This is why I chose to burden you less with my presence here. You guys would rather circle-jerk about who's more awesome at climbing a stellar A4 line on whatever....I hate aid and I hate talking about climbing bullsh#t. Just go climb! Trip reports are kinda cool though....
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 30, 2012 - 10:22pm PT

Well if you hate talking about climbing and hate posting on ST
Maybe its best you move on

That's real moving coming from someone who only posts political crap. Hypocrite?

Ever post a trip report? Ever post recent climbing BS?
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 30, 2012 - 10:33pm PT
I've posted just as much climbing as you
You know, I've climbed for 40 years now, and can still do way harder climbing than you ever did.
Does it matter?

No, you haven't posted more climbing sh#t than me. But, yes, you have climbed harder than me, and for longer.

Is it relevant? No.

You have a curse of ruining somewhat good discussions with your stupid distracting bullsh#t.

F*#k off, please.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 5, 2014 - 08:34pm PT
In light of recent American political events, maybe we should restore this thread. It made me think about not only a change in our direction, but what I've observed globally.

Obviously, America took a turn to the right. I think just for a lack of leadership, primarily, America wants jobs and a better economy that the Dems seems incapable of resuscitating. I think they just use the wrong formula.

Ii think there are other issues like amnesty/illegal immigration that scared people off of Dems/Obama.

The bottom line was a lack of conservative, populist ideals that many Americans overwhelmingly agree with, whether they're Dems or Repubs.

But what I've noticed is that this is just not an American phenomenon. It's already happened in Australia, and they have different immigrant issues. They used to be very strict on that and when they let up, stuff got really 'extreme'. They are closing that now.

European countries are following suit. Notably - Britain, France, Switzerland, Holland, and Denmark have realized that their liberal immigration policies from North Africa and the greater Mid-East have shown immigrants who won't only assimilate, but now call for the downfall of their societies.

These countries are trying to react now, some successfully. Others are overrun.

These countries have also shown rise to 'Tea Party' type groups/political parties that are successfully challenging current gov'ts to bail on the EU.

Once Socialist models of Europe may be coming to their senses. Finally.
Byran

climber
San Jose, CA
Nov 5, 2014 - 08:45pm PT
Immigration. All this strife and despair is caused by nothing but immigration. If everyone would please just stay put in the goddamn country they were born in, the world would be such a great place. You've really got it all figured out man. This sentiment is especially ironic when I hear it coming from Americans (the white ones, not Native Americans who have a right to be pissed at immigrants).
crankster

Trad climber
Nov 5, 2014 - 08:46pm PT
You Extremist Wingnuts will screw it up. You always do.
Old white people went to the polls. That's all that happened.
2 years it'll all be different.
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Canada
Nov 5, 2014 - 08:52pm PT
You couldn't cut it logically on the ISIS thread, so you restarted this one. Just like Fatty, you can't do anything if faced with opinions that make you feel funny...
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 5, 2014 - 08:57pm PT
If everyone would please just stay put in the goddamn country they were born in, the world would be such a great place.

This is where your rhetoric becomes indefensible. And you liberals will always lose this argument.

There were no laws when emigrants went somewhere with no laws, as opposed to immigrants breaking Federal immigration law of a sovereign country.

Ask Mexicans and Central Americans how they felt about the Spanish 'polluting' their traditional countries.

Really, ask them.

It's about about our current laws and abuses of our laws that is relevant, not some college dorm-room argument about 'rights'.

Wake the f*#k up! Where did you parents come from? Did they or their relatives have to go through medical, job equivalence tests? Or did they just let them walk right in without signing the 'guestbook'.?
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Canada
Nov 5, 2014 - 09:03pm PT
We're waiting with baited breath for your other shoe to drop, first nations Steve ! ! !
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 5, 2014 - 09:09pm PT
What I find strange is that proven conservative policy of individuality and personal freedom actually scares some of you. You react with animosity to that?

That is weird to me. If you explain conservatism to somebody in clear, coherent terms (without bullshitting them), they almost always agree.

Unless they're a lazy bum or somebody without a sense of work-ethic. Somebody who'd feel okay with collecting welfare or food-stamps when they're perfectly capable of working their way up the ladder of life and better employment.

I just can't understand this behavior, maybe because they've been convinced that the gov't will always be there...to suckle on.

EDIT:
We're waiting with baited breath for your other shoe to drop, first nations Steve ! ! !


My grandparents came here with their parents in the pre-20's exodus from Italy. Pre WW1.

My grandparents and their parents went though the pacific immigration ports. Never got to know my grandfather but my grandma is still kicking at 98!

I'll ask her about it. She had 4 sisters! They're all dead. Gram is the last one standing.

sempervirens

climber
Nov 5, 2014 - 09:11pm PT
Once again, I'll bite. More illogical conservative vs. liberal bullsh#t. Why would senators, congressmen or women, or presidents give a sh#t about those values? Is there any incentive for them to vote or govern according to those so-called principles?

If you believe in those political doctrines doesn't it follow that you've been duped? Is it logical to believe in stereotypes? Aren't there fiscal conservatives who are pro choice? How 'bout anti-abortion and pro-legalization of marijuana? Do you need more examples or are you understan
ding my point yet? Plenty of liberals who've never been on welfare. NRA members against war.

The media loves the false dichotomy and Americans eat it up. Spite thy neighbor is a bit of weak social solution ain't it?
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 5, 2014 - 09:18pm PT
See my reply above, Jimmy. My Edit.
Fritz

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
Nov 5, 2014 - 09:19pm PT
Bluering! Woohoo! Your masters won and ours lost.

Seems appropriate to celebrate.


Reads like your celebrating while typing.

Rave on.
Stewart

Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
Nov 5, 2014 - 09:22pm PT
Hey Judas - oops - blueringworm: So nice to see that you're still trying to rally people to inhabit your paranoid fantasy land by starting another thread. I guess your earlier attempts to start a witch hunt against a non-existent commie conspiracy died from exposure to the intellectual emptiness of its instigator.

Regarding your idiot "commie conspiracy" thread, I was always bleakly amused to note that you ran away and hid whenever you were asked to explain what the "anything American" these non-existent antagonists were supposedly against.

Thanks for always be a drooling ninny. In today's uncertain times, it's certainly a good thing to see that there's something we can rely upon.

By the way, who's going to pay for your strong military - voluntary donations from the pockets of neo-fascists like yourself?
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 5, 2014 - 09:27pm PT
By the way, who's going to pay for your strong military - voluntary donations from the pockets of neo-fascists like yourself?


EXACTLTY!!!

Those who fail to learn from their history are condemned to repeat it.
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