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Nefarius
Big Wall climber
somewhere without avatars.........
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Oct 17, 2008 - 07:58pm PT
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I certainly understand that, bluering (not that what you say is entirely correct). But it really shouldn't be about what *other* Californian's want. Not when it comes to personal rights, such as what we're talking about here. I thought maybe we'd learned from some of our past mistakes. But, then again, we do torture people again too, so who knows... Maybe you don't understand that the whole nation thought slavery was cool and normal at one time too? I seem to remember we had a war over it, or something along those lines...? People not wanting to have it abolished, etc...
edit: Honestly, I think we should leave the whole thing up to Joe the Plumber tho....
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Forest
Trad climber
Tucson, AZ
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Oct 17, 2008 - 08:07pm PT
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Chaz. Prop 8 is unrelated to your argument. If you think the state should stay out of marriage recognition, then you should gather signature for just such a proposition.
The fact is that right now, same-sex couples have the right to marry in CA. Prop 8 would remove that.
You can either vote for prop 8 and remove their right to have a legally recognized marriage and all the rights and responsibilities that come with it (hospital visitation, property rights, etc); you can vote against it, to maintain those rights; or you can not vote on it (i.e. not really give a f*#k.)
Legal recognition of marriage has nothing whatsoever to do with any given religion or church's recognition of that marriage.
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Chaz
Trad climber
So. Cal.
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Oct 17, 2008 - 08:42pm PT
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You guys have convinced me to vote YES on 8.
You have convinced me that The Government DOES have a legitimate power to decide who can and who cannot marry.
If The Government is going to decide something, it's better that it's decided by a vote of the people than by the edict of one judge.
A YES vote on 8 is a vote FOR the democratic process, it's a much bigger issue than gay rights.
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