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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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Sep 26, 2008 - 02:33pm PT
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"i don't feel intruded upon by the patriot act, but that's probably because i'm not a terrorist"
The patriot act hasn't been used to stop terrorists its been used to go after pretty much every other form of criminal (and non-criminal in many cases).
Democracy means protecting the weak. It means sacrificing security for liberty. It means being a little more dangerous so that those around you aren't persecuted. Historically, people haven't cared that much unless they themselves or those very close to them are the ones being persecuted or having their rights violated. You are showing that sentiment is alive and well.
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howlostami
Trad climber
Southern Tier, NY
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Sep 26, 2008 - 02:51pm PT
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"here's a plan i can support rationally "
I'm with you on that one. The term "toxic debt" keeps coming up, what we need is some detox, some way of getting people back in homes and making payments. I'm for keeping the "bailout" to a small amount to have the companies continue operating while the bulk of mortgages get refinanced and start generating cash flow.
Caveat: Anyone who didn't have a minimum number of on time payments on their original loan doesn't get to refinance. Keep it to the people who tried and have proven themselves to some degree.
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corniss chopper
Mountain climber
san jose, ca
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Sep 26, 2008 - 03:01pm PT
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The Whitehouse Cabinet Room is a private place. No camera's or mic's (reportedly). So it was from unnamed sources close to the
participants reported on a CBC station.
I tend to lean towards it being vitriolic or else we'd be reading word for word accounts from all participants. Since they all are staying vague on the exact statements exchanged it must have been very unflattering.
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UncleDoug
Social climber
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Sep 26, 2008 - 03:34pm PT
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"there's nothing more intrusive than a passenger jet flying into the window of your office...i don't feel intruded upon by the patriot act, but that's probably because i'm not a terrorist"
Not a terrorist, but definitely a sheep.
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bookworm
Social climber
Falls Church, VA
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Sep 26, 2008 - 07:08pm PT
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"The patriot act hasn't been used to stop terrorists its been used to go after pretty much every other form of criminal (and non-criminal in many cases)."
ok, and what's wrong with "go[ing] after pretty much every other form of criminal"?
and who are these "non-criminal[s]"? names and valid sources, please
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Sep 26, 2008 - 08:24pm PT
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”there's nothing more intrusive than a passenger jet flying into the window of your office...i don't feel intruded upon by the patriot act, but that's probably because i'm not a terrorist”
I think it's funny that the same guys who rage at the idea of having to register their guns defend warrantless wiretapping, holding folks for years with no charges, and keeping folks from their lawyers.
Better hope that when Democrats are in charge of the White House and congress, that they won't use all these new powers to keep you down.
Peace
karl
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WBraun
climber
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Sep 26, 2008 - 08:55pm PT
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TGT
I checked out your link, very interesting ..... thanks.
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