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Trad climber
Can't get here from there
Aug 16, 2008 - 10:23pm PT
A mighty fine TR from MH. Always wanted to get up there.....someday. Beautiful country with a fun twist of humor.
Great job, thanks.

{tip for dirt}
If the thread title has a (TR) in it, don't read it.

Trad climber
The state of confusion
Aug 17, 2008 - 09:13am PT
Great report--you say you've done an annual 'tour de black tusk'. . . have you noticed, or can you look at previous
photos of the glaciers on the peaks and see their retreat over
the years? Garibaldi looks like a sweet one. Ooooo--glacier
travel & play.
Wonderful report!
Mighty Hiker

Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 17, 2008 - 11:03pm PT
There's been lots of glacial recession and thinning in Garibaldi Park over the last century or so. For the last 40 years, some have been measured regularly. I don't have good "before and after" photos, but here's some from Wedgemount Lake, about 20 km north of the Black Tusk.

June 1972

At that time the glacier went well into the lake, and the ice cliff you see is 30 m+ high.

June 2003

Taken from about the same angle, but 400 - 500 m higher up.

The glacier has retreated up to a kilometre. Hot air from political and religious threads on SuperTopo are a prime suspect.

I don't have any photos of rainbows, but here's another one.

Wedge Mountain, the highest in Garibaldi Park. More scruffy rock, but pretty from a distance.

The Coast Salish name for Garibaldi is "Ta Nch'qai'", which means "the Grimy One". Very fitting - it's quite a dusty place when not snow covered.

Trad climber
Aug 18, 2008 - 06:48am PT

You know anybody that might want some old Squamish memorabilia?? I've got a couple of wooden wedges I took out of the first or second pitch of Tantalus wall in 1972. I'm guessing they were used on the first ascent by the old guy himself.


Mighty Hiker

Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 18, 2008 - 01:46pm PT
Don, I may well be interested in those myself. I don't know of any climbing museum, or plans for a climbing museum, in B.C. or Squamish. There's not nearly as much history to keep track of as there is in Yosemite. But I did know Leif Patterson, who was on the first ascent of Tantalus Wall. I'm in touch with Leif's family, and they might be interested in seeing if not having a wedge or two.

I vaguely remember wandering around below Tantalus Wall in 1972 or 1973, and seeing some wedges scattered about. Jim Madsen is said to have done the first free ascent of Tantalus Crack in 1968 - I wonder how the wedges helped or hindered with that?

Will you be at the FaceLift? If so, a chance to talk and look.
sky pilot

Trad climber
Aug 18, 2008 - 02:03pm PT
I read that ladybugs will gather along ridge lines and summits in order to mate. I, too, have been "attacked" by swarms of ladybugs. I guess ladybugs are romantic and like to have a nice view as they mate!!

Trad climber
Aug 18, 2008 - 04:25pm PT
Anders, I may try to make The Facelift (I don't really live that far away so I have no excuse).

I found those wooden wedges just below the beautiful offwith section-they were laying on a ledge in the bottom of a crack. It was my understanding that Al Givler did the first free ascent of the offwith pitch. I remember talking to Al about this but it's pretty vague and I have CRS (can't remember s#it) pretty bad so he may have said anything.....
Mighty Hiker

Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 18, 2008 - 10:05pm PT
It is more plausible that Al Givler freed Tantalus Crack, notwithstanding legend that Madsen did it. Al was around Squamish a fair amount in the late 1960s, and of course he and Mead did the first ascent of the Black Dyke in early 1970.

Steering the thread back toward topic, it turns out that there are about 5,000 species of ladybugs, with hundreds of types in North America. They are actually a kind of beetle, called Coccinellidae. "Some species (e.g., Hippodamia convergens) gather into groups and move to higher land, such as a mountain, to enter diapause." Diapause is a sort of dormancy during the winter, and it seems that the convergens species is found throughout NA. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coccinellidae

I don't know if "higher land" includes 2,300 m rocky peaks.

The agriculture department of just about every land grant college in the U.S. has web information on ladybugs.

Social climber
My Inner Nut
Aug 18, 2008 - 10:33pm PT

A Ladybug hijack is in order

Edited for ease of viewing


Trad climber
Lee, NH
Aug 19, 2008 - 05:50am PT
Wow, you got a lot of mileage out of that hike! Looks like the TR was almost as much fun to write as
Black Tusk was to climb. Glad you took us all along.

And IFO think there oughtta be even more TRs on the taco, whether they are routes I can climb or not.
Mighty Hiker

Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 19, 2008 - 01:52pm PT
Thanks - it was a long and dusty trail, and I didn't run into many others, so I entertained myself by thinking up a TR. I like to "write in my head" while doing those sorts of things - hiking, running, swimming etc. Activities which pump some oxygen into me, but aren't so absorbing or vigorous as to require full time attention.

Erik's ladybug photo was a little bit ... creepy. In a good sort of way. You can actually buy packaged ladybugs and set them free in your greenhouse, house or garden, where assuming there are aphids to be had, they will thrive. The problem, of course, is keeping them where you want them.

I suppose political correctness would require us to call them personbugs, given that 50% must be male. Hopefully it's not one of those species where they mate, and the female eats the male to nourish the eggs.
Hardly Visible

Port Angeles
Aug 19, 2008 - 02:59pm PT
Nice trip report Anders,
Back in the days when I was a hiker I did some strolls in yer neighborhood.
Here’s a few pictures outa my photobucket

Snowcap Lakes Garibaldi Park

A little further north

Manatee Range

And finally the Mt. Meager volcano you mentioned on the right

Mighty Hiker

Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 19, 2008 - 09:46pm PT
Those are nice photos, Kevin! And any of the destinations involve much more than hiking. Few get to Snowcap Lakes, although it's within 50 or 60 km of greater Vancouver, and a glacier feeds into it. I haven't been to Snowcap, but have been in the Manatee Range in summer and winter, and nearby at the Overseer area.

I had a flashback, and realized that my SuperTopo moniker may have been bestowed on me on a hike with boy scouts to Garibaldi Lake, around 1970. Because I very much wasn't.
Mighty Hiker

Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 21, 2008 - 10:36am PT
I made some enquiries amongst mountaineering friends, and one came up trumps. My friend Vince saw swarms of ladybugs at the summit of a mountain called Needle Peak in May 2007. Needle Peak is about 150 km east of Vancouver (southeast of the Black Tusk), and about 2,100 m high. Somewhat different biogeoclimatic zone, and different season. Here's a picture of some of the ladybugs they found on the summit:

Is that cool, or what? Vince is an environmental scientist, and hypothesized that the bugs swarm in spring and lay eggs, or perhaps go high to avoid predators.

Paging any entomologists...
Dingus Milktoast

Aug 21, 2008 - 11:31am PT
Some species of ladybugs are migratory. They also hibernate. Some of those migratory hibernating ladybugs do their diapuse (hibernation) on mountain tops.

Eggs are typically laid near their food source - aphids. Under sides of leaves, most often.

Good Wiki article on them


Lynne Leichtfuss

Social climber
valley center, ca
Aug 21, 2008 - 12:55pm PT
Say, Mighty Hiker, how did I miss your very COOL Thread ? Loved it immensley and now I know who to look for at the Lift!

Is Alice Lake anywhere near you ? We camped there years ago when my hub climbed Squamish. Unbeknownst to me the kids decided to swim across Alice.

Just found out recently they almost didn't make it......kids!

Smiles, Lynne
Mighty Hiker

Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 22, 2008 - 07:52pm PT
(Bumped, as Lynne may have missed the answer, in all the downages over the last day.)

Alice Lake is about 15 km north of Squamish, just off the highway to Whistler. Ok camping. They have a triathlon there every summer.

I talked with a lady entomologist at the University of B.C. She was quite interested to hear of encounters with ladybugs high in the local mountains. She says that many types of ladybug swarm in the autumn, and then try to find somewhere warm and dry and safe for the winter, when they're inactive. Sometimes they invade people's houses, garages, or stables. She'd never heard of ladybugs in places like the top of Black Tusk, or Needle Peak. In the case of the Tusk, she thought it might have had to do with updrafts carrying them higher than normal. Also, the dark, south-facing rock might offer warm, protected crevices for wintering, but it's rather early for that, and a cold, windy place in winter. For Needle Peak, clearly they'd wintered there, which surprised her. Safety from predators - birds, bears, rodents, etc - might be the reason.

Ladybugs live for about a year, but those in a swarm return to the same places each autumn. Perhaps there's some overlap - some born in the spring and some in the autumn.

Social climber
Aug 22, 2008 - 08:07pm PT
hey there mighty hiker and all... great share--great pics, too, naturallyyyy...

say, i just say some notes about ladybugs... sorry, didn't see that til i hit reply... think i will mosey on back and read that too....

edit: say there mighty hiker and all... say, we have ladybug swarms here, too.... think it was to have been in june, july or aug???? hmmm, cant remember, as i have not seen them in this house... but i DID see them just recently at my co-workers... just cannot remember the month.... many folks around here though, near the woods, really have a hard time of it----they actually cover the ceilings, at times...

ps----oh LYNNE----- those are some awful hard stories, learning that the kids near took an "unreturnable" turn.... say, the wonder of it all, is that the good lord up-held them and they are hear to tell about their "old football---well, you get my drift---old childhood-trail injuries".... whewwwwwwwwww, lynne, very glad the kids lived to tell about it....

Social climber
Aug 22, 2008 - 08:17pm PT
hey there... i really like this garibaldi park.. have never heard of it... will check it out on some searches... nice stuff, all....

Social climber
Aug 22, 2008 - 08:36pm PT
hey there mighty hiker... oh, my... sometimes i have to wait for downloads on these trip reports...etc...

so now, that i have been through the whole thing... i must say, mighty hiker... this was very sweet stuff.... much more than the usually great trails, etc...

i really enjoyed the "chapter highlighters" and the light-hearted happy joy... i liked how you stated that you and and your dad had your first visit there together (if i didnt read that too fast to soak it in right)....

really, you did more than a great job...

say, there, your're a mighty creative writer, too, to add to your hiking skills...

once again, thanks so very much... still got to check out some more of this great stuff.... god bless.... (encoure) (encore, somewhere, anywhere... will read)... :)
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