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Trad climber
Upland, CA
Topic Author's Original Post - Mar 15, 2005 - 07:28pm PT
I'm doing T trip (3 people total)
how big should it be?
how does all that wall crapping work?

Trad climber
Mar 15, 2005 - 08:26pm PT
Heres what works better than a poop tube i thought-

to poo:
best be on a ledge but a portaledge would work too, just be acurate- duct tape some some butcher paper down (double up if its gonna be huge) and go for it. Put all the toilet paper and stuff on top of the mess. then wrap it up like a burrito and use the duct tape to keep all the folds in place. Drop it into a ziploc bag and seal it. Then drop the ziploc with its new deposit into a dry bag with kitty litter it it. Keep some hand sanitizer on hand. The dry bag is the way to go-lighter and not nearly as big and clunky as the poop tube.

the 51st state.... denial
Mar 15, 2005 - 09:19pm PT

The plastic grocery bags work great. The handles pull right up over the buttocks, providing a good seal and weigh next to nothing. Easy enough to do mid-pitch too if ya have to. Make sure there are no holes in them!

Do your business, wrap it burrito style, and toss it into a section of the lightest weight corrugated PVC pipe you can find. A 2' section of 3" with one end cap glued on, (the removable end cap should be teathered to your toob) worked fine for a party of 2 for 5 days with room to spare.

YMMV! Better to have a little extra room at the end of the trip than to not have enough!

Mar 15, 2005 - 10:11pm PT
I hate sharing a poop tube. I carry my own. It's only big enough for my deposits.

With that said, most of the weight in the empty poop tube is in the ends. Make it plenty long. Too short is bad.

You'll need to figure out your own technique for taking care of business :)
John Barleycorn

Mar 15, 2005 - 11:06pm PT
My only was was leaning tower and we did that in a day so i have never had the pleasure of using a poop tube, but i am curious about one thing. if i'm taking a leak while i take a dump, how am i gonna do that and not sh#t or pee all over my portaledge? is there some kind of trick? just wonderin'...


Mar 15, 2005 - 11:49pm PT
Some people don’t even need to sh-it on walls. They wait till they top out. When me and the deuce did the P.O. John never sh-it until the top. Now that’s what I call a real BURT BRONSON.

No poop tube for the Deuce.

Social climber
kennewick, wa
Mar 15, 2005 - 11:53pm PT
Another good reason to reach the top? lol

Social climber
Mar 16, 2005 - 12:06am PT
I think Mike makes the best tube I've seen/used. I know it's not top secret info but I can't remember what the piece he uses for a top is called??.......Mike? ......There is a climber out there who ties a piece of twine to the bottom of his bag and by the end of a route has about 20' of sh#t bags (one every 2 to 3 feet). This does not seem to be the better way but who am I to judge. Ha! Cheers!

Flagstaff, AZ
Mar 16, 2005 - 12:31am PT
Plastic grocery bags - doubled up if need. A small bungy cord attached to each handle and wrapped over the waist. With that you'll have both hands free! It works.

Trad climber
Irvine, CA
Mar 16, 2005 - 12:42am PT

Mar 16, 2005 - 01:30am PT
Don’t hang those things in the sun for a year…..true story.

Once someone hung one of these poop tubes on the fence at the Sar Cache. It was there for over a year. One day it exploded violently spewing it’s deadly contents all over the yard. I had to get the hazmat suit, gas mask and fire hose to clean up the sh-it!

Another time someone left one over by the outhouse at ranger rock. They labeled it BOMB. The bomb squad from Fresno had to come to defuse it. The park was taking no chances with how the current world in it’s volatile state can be.

Big Wall climber
Lake Arrowhead
Mar 16, 2005 - 01:45am PT

"Some people don’t even need to sh-it on walls. They wait till they top out. When me and the deuce did the P.O. John never sh-it until the top. Now that’s what I call a real BURT BRONSON."

Haa haa, Austin did the same thing. It was like 6 days.... or something. I kept asking him, "Son, are you sure you don't need to go today?"

The second we were standing on the rim, I turned around just in time to see Austin's harness fly into the bushes as he ran into the trees. LOL


Pagosa Springs CO
Mar 16, 2005 - 08:29am PT
hey Werner, can't believe you remember that!! Of all things.

I think we fired up that route (the PO) so fast--wasn't it 4 days, 3 nights, no fixing--that there wasn't time to squat! I'm sure it was a good one on top though.

Speaking of modern methods, the chemical bags Metolius is marketing (the "WAG" bags)are a nice way to go for less smelly poop tubes. Pricely though...

Social climber
the little ditch
Mar 16, 2005 - 11:59am PT
I was born with my poop tube. It's in my butt.
Erik Sloan

Mar 17, 2005 - 04:31pm PT
Bruthers, puh-lease--PVC tubes are so (early)90s. They're bulky, heavy and often cannot be coaxed from the summit.

Dry bags where an improvement. They weigh a lot less but unfortunately wear holes pretty easy on lower-angle routes(anything but the southeast face/leaning tower/right side of half dome). Some proud folks avoid this problem by putting them right in the haulbag--sounds dicey.

The best budget idea I've seen in the last couple years is a large plastic laundry detergent bottle with the spout cut out(don't remove the threads that hold on the cap), the handle takes a shoulder-length sling easy. The only bummer is you still have to handle your load pretty intimately to roll a burrito that fits in the spout.

If you've got a few bucks the Metolius wastecase is the way to go. It weights nothing and the larger opening means you can crush your cans and have most if not all of your trash and poop in one, haulbag stength, bag.

Doubling up the plastic grocery bags is the way to dump it--the latest research shows that paperbags in landfills do not show any more decomposition than plastic bags after 45 years. As for the peeing and pooping at the same time--if you hang your money over the edge of the ledge you can have your poop bags sucked up tight and still send the shower at the same time.

Trad climber
Irvine, CA
Mar 17, 2005 - 04:35pm PT

I used a freezer strength ziplock bag with a cool easy zipper thingamajigger. I've heard about using empty 2 liter soda bottles and cutting a V in it to put in the contents then duct taping it shut. I've never tried it though.

Big Wall climber
oakland, ca
Mar 17, 2005 - 05:03pm PT
Some observations on poop vessels...

Carrying a poopy dry bag down from the summit is grim duty. They may be waterproof, but they're 'breathable'.

However, they are cheap and easy to come by, so I can get a freshy each time if I want.

Having a poop vessel with too small of a mouth means you'll have to force your morning gnarliness through. This is really unpleasant. (i.e. pay attention to this when picking out your detergent if you go that route). Similar unpleasantness happens if it's too low volume.

I got paid 30 buck to tell stories at Cafe du Nord in San Francisco last time this topic came up. A woman was googling for people who camped in unsual places to perform at their story telling club and thought the topic would be a crowd pleaser. Actually, when she explained that I was supposed to talk about camping on the rock I started pitching all of the starndard stories of big wall suffering...forced bivies, partner melt down, dehydration, etc. And she said, "All that's fine, but can you talk about crapping in a bag?"

Social climber
Pagosa Springs CO
Mar 17, 2005 - 05:41pm PT
Pretty much every slide show I ever did on big wall climbing, either the first or one of the early questions after the show would be, "how do you go to..", well you know.

Sometimes I thought if I could just wow the audience further with beautiful images of mountain views, exotic places, or local colorful people, I could avert the question, but no, never did.

(well, maybe once or twice)

Trad climber
Eagle River, AK
Mar 17, 2005 - 05:55pm PT
Ask his parents...they probably had sex or something.

NOT Fresno
Mar 17, 2005 - 07:09pm PT
re: slitting a two-liter open and taping it close. Nope. Tried it on one looooooong wall. Actually wasn't that long, just seemed it. Even with serious amounts of duckie on there, those puppies like to burp.

I swear I'm coming full circle back to the Austin method, which I used like all rooks. Just clench down until you hit flat ground, whenever that happens. It's free, too.

Big Wall climber
oakland, ca
Mar 17, 2005 - 07:24pm PT
You guys must not be coffee drinkers.

Trad climber
So. Cal.
Mar 17, 2005 - 07:31pm PT
Never tried this but I know people who swear by it...

Imodium AD!

A couple of those and you won't take a dump for a few days!

Social climber
Oregon, but now in Europe
Mar 18, 2005 - 07:30am PT
An excerpt from a trip report about poop tube etiquete.

read full report here:

".....PITCH 4
Sharing the ledge with a girl/guy party was totally cool. It however crossed into awkward zone when the girl part of the team (her first big wall) proceeds to ask us how in fact we will take a doo doo. I point to my poop tube and explain the details by going over to the haul bolts and doing my business.

She promptly asks us if she could use our tube once we start climbing. We wait for the look that tells you it is a joke…however…no luck. She is dead serious. She even dares to ask for wet wipes.

So I say that if she uses it…she needs to haul it down and empty it. That’s the rules. At this point she also confirms that when we descend to the base, that our Gatorade we stashed is no longer there. I ask if the birds got to it. Nope. This “bird” decided that she was thirsty after the approach and finished. Again…I waited for a chuckle. Nope. Talk about party foul....


Also…after emptying the poop tube at the Church Bowl latrines, I discovered a “second” deposit. I ask my buddy whether he had a go up on the column. He says no way. Well, if I went and he didn’t go…who could it be?

OH MY GOD! Say it ain’t so wall sista’.


rock on


Social climber
Oregon, but now in Europe
Mar 18, 2005 - 07:39am PT

This is the low cost solution but has vent you get intimate with the bouquet. Not super heavy.

I have seen some people use a short stack tube. It looks like it is at least 8 inches in diameter and maybe 8 inches in height with a screw cap. It sits nicely out of the way under a bag. good for 3-4 big boys. PRobably not so cheap to make since the diameter is pretty serious.

I have tried the dry bag thing. Like Melissa BREATHES. Never expected it to either. Lightweight...but stinky

The best way in my opinion to keep odors to a minimum is double bag and using lots of dry washing powder. A couple of shakes (just like shake and bake) of the poo will give a fine coating. Pre-mix in a little bit of oxiclean/borax and you be golden.

Molding your goods and then stuffing it into the tube and having the paper bag break....


Social climber
Mar 18, 2005 - 07:46am PT
Really liked these bags for bigwall use:

They have some enzymes which takes care of the smell. You can actually safely carry a used one in the lid of your pack/haulbag without leaks or smells.


Trad climber
Monterey, CA
Mar 18, 2005 - 07:23pm PT
I think that you could get some of that 8" diameter or larger for free if you are near the valley. They are laying some new sewer pipe so I am sure that if you came across the dumpster that they are pitching all the cut ends from the piping you could get your hands on a free body for your commode. Now the part about sealing the ends.. that might be tricky. The piping looks like a soft grade pvc (black with blue striping.
Brutus of Wyde

Old Climbers' Home, Oakland CA
Mar 18, 2005 - 08:54pm PT
I use dry bags. The "Burritos" are freezer ziplocks, with dry portable toilet chemical to help with aroma control. Burritos are then deposited in Reynolds aluminum foil baking bags. The problem with any plastic bag is that thin plastic is readily permeable to the gasses that give burritos their unique bouquet.


Trad climber
Yosemite, CA
Mar 22, 2005 - 09:32am PT

I once got paid to write a review of the Metolius waste case, not a bad product, pricey but does a good job... I guess that makes me a professional crapper...

Not sure if someone has mentioned the water bottle method:

Crap in a paper bag, then slit an empty two liter water bottle and stick your bag of business in the bottle. As you move up the wall you'll have more emties to fill as you drink more water. Duct take up the slit, and carry the collection under your haul bag. Don't have to carry an extra container. Careful on lower angle routes (don't want the duct tape to ware off). Back on the ground it's easy to slice off the tops and dump the contents of each bottle into a pit toilet.


PS: From an "official" perspective (NPS policy), we don't require one specific method. Do whatever works for you as long as it leaves nothing behind (side note: someone did actually get a citation for tossing their crap last summer). Don't try and burn your bags on the summit either (for a variety of reasons), and out of respect for others try not to piss on the route. God, this all makes wall climbing sound like so much fun... :)


Trad climber
Idaho USA
Apr 8, 2005 - 12:03pm PT
Remember - the huge clunkie PVC Poop Tubes are NOT esential...

Use a boaters DRY BAG!

Size? A week on the wall or one night?

Before you leave the ground, add a little kitty litter to the bottom of the bag.

As part of your sh#t-tools extras, carry a little plastic bottle of CAT BOX baking soda mix. Sprinkle some in your poo-poo bag after wiping. Tripple bag your dookies (thin grocery store bags are fine, they compress well and you can carry a huge volume of 'em). Keep the air out! It keeps the package small.

Close the DRY BAG properly - Roll the edges down an clip it shut.

Toss this right in the haul bag.

Add coffee grounds as you progress. Mostly, it smells like the cat litter powder.


Social climber
san joser
Apr 10, 2005 - 12:05pm PT
Y'all must like the smell of crap if you're still using poop tubes, dry bags, or rolling your poo into burritos. The most efficient way I have found is the BIG WALL PAUL METHOD:

1. Poop into a plastic bag (ziplock or grocery bag)
2. Put used TP into same bag
3. Put bag into empty tin can (12 oz can works fine for most- if you take huge dumps you may want to use a 16 or 18 oz can)
4. Fold the lid over the can then duct tape the top
5. Toss in the bottom of the haulbag and forget about it
6. At the base or when you get home just throw the whole can in the trash. Don't even think about removing the poo to recycle the can.

I've heard some people say you can't throw poo in the trash because it's hazzardous. Hogwash. Ever heard of disposable diapers? How 'bout depends for old folks who have lost bowel control. They all go into the trash but without the armor of the can.

Real benefits of the BWP Method:
1. You don't carry any extra weight since you already have empty food cans lying around in the haulbag.
2. You don't have to smell your partners (or your own) festering 4 day old turds every time you open the poop tube or dry bag.
3. You don't have to deal with the awful task of emptying the poop tube. Again: who wants to smell week old oven baked crap?
One time I was gearing up in the Awahnee lot and I was almost knocked over by a wave of nasty poo smell. Turns out some folks had opened their poo tube 300 YARDS AWAY.
4. There's no chance of a tube or dry bag getting stuck stuck while hauling since the cans stay at the bottom of the pig.

Three years ago I came down from a wall mid-summer and just threw the haulbag in the trunk and drove quickly out of the valley for work. I never got around to unpacking the pig, so it just sat in my trunk for three weeks in 100 degree San Jose weather. When I finally got around to it, I emptied the contents and found some moldy bagels and all the poop cans- and no smell.
There's just no reason to use a poop tube. Maybe people like to carry it around as a badge of honor?

Big Wall climber
somewhere without avatars.........
Oct 7, 2008 - 03:03pm PT
You guys are all full of shit!

Oct 7, 2008 - 04:30pm PT
NPS should build sanitary rest stops throughout the climbing areas.

looking sketchy there...

Social climber
Latitute 33
Oct 8, 2008 - 12:23am PT
bum p

Trad climber
new york, NY
Oct 8, 2008 - 10:13am PT
check out today's daily climber deal.


Gym climber
Fannie's Crack, AZ
Oct 8, 2008 - 11:05am PT
Ouch does it again. A little modern marvel will take care of all of our business. I think you guys and gals got it all wrong though. When I was up climbing near Moby Dick I spied the best method of all. Lying there right on the ground. Get an extra large paper sack and take an ENORMOUS really wet dookie in it. Next pitch it off the wall so that all the slacker one pitch climbers will know your the king, leaving them all behind somewhere up on the big stone.

Social climber
The internet
Oct 8, 2008 - 11:17am PT
"Another time someone left one over by the outhouse at ranger rock. They labeled it BOMB. The bomb squad from Fresno had to come to defuse it. The park was taking no chances with how the current world in it’s volatile state can be. "

" I have to say, that is some funny sh#t. "

There is a little more to the story as I recall. I was there and heard the blast - they detonated the thing after x-raying it and finding "peanuts".

I think ABS is significantly lighter than PVC, but the black color may be a bad thing for a sh#t tube.

Trad climber
Joshua Tree
Oct 8, 2008 - 12:01pm PT

I prefer 2 gallon paint bucket with kitty litter in it. Just sit on it to poo, close and shake! Light cheap and simple. Happy crapping!

Chris McNamara

SuperTopo staff member
Oct 13, 2008 - 02:37pm PT
My cheap option of choice: get a bulk food container from a store like Costco that is over a foot tall and has at least 4" diameter opening and a lid that screws tight. Usually these containers have Biscotti, Pretzles, Candy, etc in them

Now, imagine you were sewing webbing to create a haulbag. Make a harness for the container just like that. Secure with duct tape.

Pros: lightweight, cheap, can haul outside of haulbag, minimal assembly, seals tight

Cons: takes time to find container, some assembly, lose lid halfway up wall and you are hurting.

As for the bag set up: go in a big zip lock bag. add powdered detergent. Double zip lock if necessary

Big Wall climber
A cube at my soul sucking job in Oregon
Oct 13, 2008 - 07:10pm PT
I haven't tried it, but my first wall partner advocated using a piece of thin (1/8"?) bungie with a couple hooks with the plastic shopping bags. Hands free operation.

Big Wall climber
4hrs too far from YNP
Oct 16, 2008 - 11:26pm PT
Mike Ousley's Poop Tube above is as close to what I use as anyone described..

The plumbers test cap rig is re-usable even after the tube itself has seen too many walls and wall waste... Toss the tube, and the rest is a keeper..

For the solution to the pee Question, I have a double solution:

That magic powder inside the Wag Bag, is called "Pooh powder" google it.. you can buy a Giant can of it for like 30$ and it will last a life time (just keep it dry) its like magic dust.. I have So much and would gladly pass some on.. but the amount in one wag bag is half of waht you need, so make a second bag from the stash you skimmed from the official one..

The stuff; for those that don't know; will gel up and coat your pooh - and turn it into a 'not so stinky' mass of gel covered pooh - it really cuts the stench - a lot more than cat litter.. (i actually in a 'pinch' re-used the same garbage bag for a four day wall - it wasn't too wretched even on the last day...) Just a tablespoon is enough for a real heavy load..

The trick to the powdah - is a little liquid to activate it..
Use some pee from your Pee Bottle (see below)

Here comes the pee part..

I normally tie off my water bottles with a string of sorts, as most probably do to some of their bottles at least.. (i reuse my tie offs every wall; they has a slip knot on one end and a overhand on a bight on the other..) - just clip an empty one (now its your pee bottle) - the people below you will love it.. and, on a windy day you will too! - preferably its a wide mouth gatorade style.. (sorry ladies - you can use a F.U.D. with a modified longer tube - feminine urinary director - REI sells 'em)

So clip the bottle to your belay loop and insert your shmackle into the wide mouth.. Use your grocery bag/paper bag of choice and pee whenever you like... 'hands free'

if you really want hands free - clip the handles of your grocery bag to your gear loops, and you have both hands to read the paper... no sh*ttin!

..and i'm out..

Big Wall climber
4hrs too far from YNP
Oct 18, 2008 - 08:22pm PT
No Prob Mike!

I should have handed you some that day you me and the McNeely Bros were partying at the base of the waterfront.. its me Adam - the dreddy dude that was soloing Zodiac with the bottle of Peppermint Schnapps..

The stuff is Rad - and I always have extra - since it comes in a GIANT Jar... I hope to enough time sh*tting on the wall to use it all !!

I just googled it and I guess the price of 'pooh'ing has gone up.. its like $77 for the can.. they state 120 uses - I say maybe more if you really spread it out..

Jacqueline Florine

Trad climber
Nov 4, 2008 - 04:04pm PT
I am with Chris on reusing large food containers.
I love empty drink mix containers.
Pre-climb, I duct tape the thing to travel under my hail bag. It stays inside my bag until then. If I have some old sling or cord I'll add that to the attachment system. A word on pee bottles: I buy some liter and a half H2O bottles at Trader Joe's. Then duct tape hang loops onto them using the bare minimum of tape. The first bottle that gets emptied gets the top sliced off and becomes the girlie pee bottle. It conforms nicely and rides below the bag after it's first use. The rest of the bottles are easy to roll up and store in the bottom of the haul bag.

I have tried using only doubled up ziplock bags for poop storage.
(Just couldn't see spending money on a nice dry bag then throwing it away.)
The smell was just too darned nasty.
However, the WAG BAGS that are required on Mt.Whitney are fine.
I just don't think they are tough enough on technical rock.
And again, I hate spending money on something I look forward to throwing away.

Another thing I sometimes take on the wall is the Freshette! Ah the freedom of peeing standing up! I keep it in a ziplock bag, stowed inside a small stuff sack, clipped to my harness. With this thing, it is easier to avoid peeing on the ropes.

Trad climber
Lake Oswego, Oregon
Nov 4, 2008 - 05:59pm PT
Step 1: Poop
Step 2: Measure
Step 3: Build

Chalkless climber
the Gunks end of the country
Nov 4, 2008 - 08:31pm PT

Boulder climber
atlanta, ga
Dec 8, 2008 - 12:50pm PT
Long time troller in this forum, finally decided to make a post when i noticed that this thread ranks on Google's first page when you search for 'make a poop load'.....
don't judge... how i found it was jokingly searching for 'make a poop load of money'..... #1 again. :)
hungry man

Trad climber
Dec 16, 2008 - 11:32pm PT
OOOH MAN, Cosmic! you just made my day!

Trad climber
Bishop, CA
Dec 25, 2008 - 04:19am PT
orange juice h2o bottles...once empty....cut a door, poop into a wag bag or equivelant...stuff it into the bottle, gorilla tape it shut and then haul ass before the smell cathes up w/ you. In my limited experiance the smell will escape after 3 days. we also hung them under the haul bag so a fair amount of jostling was endured...

Trad climber
Dec 25, 2008 - 04:30am PT
What if it turns out that you don't actually need one? ;-)
John Galt

Big Wall climber
puerta Natales, Chile
Mar 11, 2009 - 03:42pm PT
I use the giant plastic protein bottles or general nutrition suppliment bottles.

-WIDE mouth opening
-screw tight lid

a touch of cat litter is keen, but used coffee grounds work awesome.

But then those who know me think I climb too fast to know about these things. - I have served my time, -and can tell you from MANY TRIPS up the Captain that most virgin wall climbers go 48 hours before pooping, so if it's a short ascent bring a small poop holder.


Chris McNamara

SuperTopo staff member
Apr 8, 2009 - 02:31pm PT
This is a rough draft of what will go in my How To Big Wall Climb Guide. You can see other rough draft chapters here:

Poop Tubes, Turd Cages, Coiler Cans – Your Step By Step Guide
It is essential to poo in a bag then carry it to the summit. Pooing in bags and tossing them or just pooing on the wall is not an option. The is nothing worse than being on the best climb in the world (The Nose) and coming across splattered crap.

Step 1 – Go in a bag. There are a few variations:

a) Buy a disposable waste bag ($3-4 each). Sealable plastic bags that come with an odor killing powder, TP, hand sanitizer.

Here are some common brands:
 Wag Bags
  Restop 2
 Restop 2 Wilderness

b) Make your own:
 go in brown paper bag (lunch size or giant)
 go in a large Ziploc bag
 go in a small brown bag then put it in a large Ziploc bag

Its nice to have some powder laundry detergent or kitty litter to then sprinkle on the poo to knock down the odor. Or prepage your bags with powdered detergent and “shake n’ bake.”

Step 2 – put the bag in a sturdy turd cage
Here a few options for how to carry the poo to the summit (AND BACK DOWN!).

Metolius Waste Case - Best Option
A mini-haulbag designed for turds that comes with 6 Wag Bags
Pros: lightweight, can haul outside of haulbag, doesn’t require assembly
Cons: cost $59.50, can’t get completely airtight seal

Bulk Container - Best Option on a budget
get a bulk food container from a store like Costco that is over a foot tall and has at least 4" diameter opening and a lid that screws tight. Usually these containers have Biscotti, Pretzles, Candy, etc in them. Now, imagine you were sewing webbing to create a haulbag. Make a harness for the container just like that. Secure with duct tape. A keeper string so you don’t lose the lid is optional. Or bring and extra lid in case you drop one.
Pros: lightweight, cheap, can haul outside of [url="
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, minimal assembly, seals tight
Cons: takes time to find container, some assembly, lose lid halfway up wall and you are hurting.

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PVC Tube - Fish Big Wall John
4-inch PVC tube, seal one end and use a screw cap at the other end. (see Mike.’s post above for more details on construction)
Pros: sturdy, can haul under bag, airtight seal: good at keeping down odor, cheap
Cons: heavy, requires some time to assemble and hardware store visit, have a habit of being abandoned mid route or on summit

Or you can buy save the hassle and buy one pre-made by Fish - Fish - Big Wall John

Painters Bucket
Take a 5 gallon or smaller painter bucket, improvise a harness system and either poo directly into the bucket or go in bags and then store them in the bucket.
Pros: comfortable, cheap, can be hauled outside [url="
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Cons: tricky to rig a good harness, bulky on the hike down, hard to maintain air tight seal, lose the lid and you are screwed!

River Bag/ Dry Bag
Pros: lightweight, relatively easy to find, air tight (depending on who you talk to)
Cons: can’t haul outside of haul bag or lower-angle rock so you have to deal with it every time you unpack and repack bag, while a good bag won’t leak feces – the odor may leak out, air tight (depending on who you talk to), not that much cheaper than Metolius Waste Case

2-Liter Bottles
Crap in a paper bag, then slit an empty two liter water bottle and stick your bag of business in the bottle. As you move up the wall you'll have more emties to fill as you drink more water. Duct take up the slit, and carry the collection under your haul bag. Don't have to carry an extra container. Careful on lower angle routes (don't want the duct tape to ware off). Back on the ground it's easy to slice off the tops and dump the contents of each bottle into a pit toilet.
Pro: cheap and easy to make, great for "in a pinch"
Con: not good for low angle routes, takes lots of duct tape to get secure seal, must be very careful they don't separate from haulbag

Step 3
Have [url="
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Step 4
When done with wall and you have returned to the ground, dispose of brownpaper bags in pit toilet. The sooner the better!! If you went in a plastic bag, Restop, or WagBag, dispose of in garbage can or dumpster.

Boulder climber
May 13, 2009 - 07:21am PT
Why don't you just use a soccer ball and stick a big cork in the top?

It'll bounce off the rock, hence no worries!
Craig Muderlak

Trad climber
Boulder, CO
Feb 9, 2010 - 02:31pm PT
I avoid the bulky, heavy poop-tube all together. It seems as though there's a certain level of fecalphobia amongst wall climbers. A very simply and lightweight way to deal with poop on the wall is to bring one wagbag which can work for one person for three or four days. use the wag bag and store in an empty 2 liter soda bottle used for water. After a two liter is empty, cut it in half, store the wag bag inside and then duck tape the bottle back together. I then simply store this inside the haul bag (of course away from any food). This has worked great for me. The benefits are: no added weight and no bulky tube dangling from the bottom of the haul bag. Sometimes I think folks like geeking out on fancy poop-tubes which simply seems more complex and heavy than necessary. One exception: If I were on a wall for more than four days I might go with the tube. However, you could simply take another wag bag and use another empty 2-liter.


Trad climber
Feb 22, 2012 - 11:03pm PT
Here's a question for the ladies to answer. How do you pee without taking your harness and pants off? are there Big Wall pants out there with a butt flap?

Social climber
An Oil Field
Feb 23, 2012 - 12:35am PT
Just use an extra strong garbage bag. It doubles as a soft pillow when sleeping in the ledge.

Trad climber
The pitch of Bagalaar above you
Feb 23, 2012 - 02:19am PT
I then simply store this inside the haul bag (of course away from any food

No way dude. No way!


Trad climber
Brooklyn Park, MD
Feb 23, 2012 - 06:06am PT
Paaul: My wife likes to use one of these.
She can write her name in the snow just like we can. It also makes it so she can pee in a bottle with a small mouth if she needs to.

Trad climber
Feb 23, 2012 - 09:23am PT
I then simply store this inside the haul bag (of course away from any food

Oh man I hope he was joking.


Trad climber
Feb 23, 2012 - 12:38pm PT
Good stuff you bastard!

That reminds me of when I used to be a river guide in the Grand Canyon.

The current sh#t can system is pretty clean sanitary and straight forward.

When I was there we had a 50 mil ammo can, which we would double line with trash bags, then balance a toilet seat on top. Our instructions to the passengers was to pee first, either in the river or a coffee can which would then be dumped into the river, then take a dump in the can, wipe, and sprinkle with powder bleech. The next morning our job would be to compress all the air out of the sh#t bags and transfer them to a 20 mil Ammo can. We called it sucking the air out of the bag. It was usually dripping wer with piss, and stunk really really bad. One guide would get a mega gag reflex any morning he had the job. Ahhhhh the good old days!


Big Wall climber
Yosemite, CA
Feb 27, 2012 - 01:58pm PT
Did not read any of this but please, don't make a poop tube. They just end up broken with poop everywhere.

Consider instead a waste case or a clean mountain can. Poop tubes are a pain to deal with and not reliable to stay intact when hauling.

I used to use my water bottles, but they have failed, including almost landing on two people at the base one time. Not worth it and frankly I got tired of "Playing with the poo" to squeeze it into the opening before duct taping it back up.

I use wag bags and use them at least four times before switching to a new one. They are rated for many uses and I don't want to carry tons nor do I really like the idea of the plastic so I try to use as few as possible to reduce the impact a little there.


Trad climber
The pitch of Bagalaar above you
Feb 27, 2012 - 04:07pm PT

Personally, I close up like a submarine hatch whilst bigwallin.

+1 on the waste case/wag bag rig harboring the fumes of stankonia.


Mountain climber
Apr 23, 2012 - 02:12pm PT
i am very sorry but the best method for the environment and weight to carry is:

shit in a paper bag and throw it as far from the wall as you can, paper is degradable and so is sh#t, the bag will land somewhere in the woods and maybe in about a year will be completely gone.

sorry if what i am saying is stupid, i am not a big wall climber, i am a beginner climber from europe

Mountain climber
Apr 23, 2012 - 02:35pm PT
yeah, you're right, i figured that out after i posted, it would be so not cool to do what i just described in places like Yosemite. sorry people, thanks for the feedback :)

Trad climber
Old Climbers' Home (Adopted)
Apr 23, 2012 - 03:28pm PT
Private Matters reporting for "dooty"!

* Mucci.....just in case your ballast blows the hatch ;)
Chris McNamara

SuperTopo staff member
May 10, 2012 - 07:58pm PT
I just made a video on how to make a home-made poop tube. This is my favorite option because it is light, easy to make, fast and cheap.

Here is the full article on Poop Tubes and the Bivy in my How to Big Wall Climb Project


Sport climber
May 10, 2012 - 08:03pm PT
My poop tube is an old ProteinPowder jar. the opening is about 6 inches in diameter. Solid built. Tight, twist seal on the lid. Holds the smell really well.

climber's near nevada...
May 10, 2012 - 10:54pm PT
impressive...but where does da brim go on that thing ?

May 10, 2012 - 10:57pm PT
What a thread.

Can you believe this sh!t ........
Jim Smith

Trad climber
sunnyvale, ca
May 11, 2012 - 01:22pm PT
To you EURO bag tossers out there....

I got hit with a bag while on the Nose in Aug 2003 by a team of Spaniards. Having your ropes covered in Euro poo while on a wall is no fun.

I got pissed off enough that I almost caught up to them. I went and looked for them at camp 4 later and some of thier buddies figured out by my questions who I was.

"you are the guy who was hit with the sh#t HA HA HA... that is really funny"

"no they aren't here anymore, they are out climbing"....

none of them would be a man and fess up and it wouldn't have right to return a paper plate full of the favor onto a randon tent of spaniards.

Please understand, the rules about packing out your waste isn't just another annoying park service regulation like out of bounds bivying and food storage for bears...This rule is a part of the social compact amoungst wall climbers. Please be a good embassador when you visit our country and our walls.


Trad climber
Mar 11, 2013 - 08:30pm PT
Jace here bumping everybody's favorite topic with a question!

How long would you make a 4" wide poop tube. 4 days/3 nights and two guys? Mike's post up top makes it sound like 3' is the way to go but that seems a little large. Better have the space and not need it than need it and not have it?
Don Paul

Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
Mar 11, 2013 - 09:03pm PT
I was going to wait for Mark Hudon to sell one second hand.

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Mar 11, 2013 - 09:52pm PT
How do you build a poop toob?

Well first you have to have the right consistency of poo. Then you roll it out like a pie crust with a bakery roller and roll that into a toob. Easy peezy cheezy. Now did you see where Mythbusters proved you can polish a turd?
Mark Hudon

Trad climber
Hood River, OR
Mar 12, 2013 - 12:15am PT
Ha! No, I still need it!

Trad climber
Mar 12, 2013 - 12:23am PT
I was once stopped at the register while purchasing the components to build a poop tube. The manager was called over. I was interrogated with the assumption that I was building some type of pipe bomb. They pretty much decided I was building some type of bomb without ever asking me what I was assembling. I will never forget the expression on the employes face when I told them what I was doing.

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Mar 12, 2013 - 12:26am PT
Shall I demonstrate sir or can i go now?
The Dunk

Social climber
Mar 12, 2013 - 02:18am PT
If you or someone you know is in the medical field they can get their hands on some suction canister solidifier. Turns liquids to solids and sanitizes it in the process. Poop then add some in the poop tube - actually peeing in the tube some helps. Turns everything into a solid, sanitized mass. Your poop tube / container should be disposable.

Trad climber
Mar 12, 2013 - 09:52am PT
It was at Mcguckins in Boulder too. I was really surprised that they did had not seen a poop tube before. Granted this was 20 years ago. Sir....I plan on pooping in a paper bag and then placing said poop bag in this tube. The dudes look was priceless and I think he thought I was the crazy one.
Sierra Ledge Rat

Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
Mar 12, 2013 - 11:57am PT
I'm still a bit confused...

Can someone post a youtube video of an actual event in which the poop tube is used for real?

Thank you.
Sioux Juan

Big Wall climber
Costa mesa
Mar 12, 2013 - 12:35pm PT
Mac is on the money.........some containers are wide enought to drop it right in........ don't forget to add something to keep the furmantation r v blue stuff or others mentioned above.....peanut butter or mayo in the large size have a large lids wrap plenty of duct tape around container

Trad climber
San Francisco
Apr 4, 2013 - 12:38pm PT
Believe it or not there is a wikihow.

Trad climber
new paltz, ny
Apr 10, 2013 - 05:55pm PT
who needs one of these tubes...just hold it until night time and then let it rip. the bears will eat it

Trad climber
starvation bar, ca
Apr 14, 2013 - 12:06pm PT
My paralysed ICU patients have ongoing 'elimination' needs that we manage with the following devices:
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