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Kindredlion
Big Wall climber
4hrs too far from YNP
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Oct 18, 2008 - 08:22pm PT
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No Prob Mike!
I should have handed you some that day you me and the McNeely Bros were partying at the base of the waterfront.. its me Adam - the dreddy dude that was soloing Zodiac with the bottle of Peppermint Schnapps..
The stuff is Rad - and I always have extra - since it comes in a GIANT Jar... I hope to enough time sh*tting on the wall to use it all !!
I just googled it and I guess the price of 'pooh'ing has gone up.. its like $77 for the can.. they state 120 uses - I say maybe more if you really spread it out..
Adam
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Jacqueline Florine
Trad climber
CA
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I am with Chris on reusing large food containers.
I love empty drink mix containers.
Pre-climb, I duct tape the thing to travel under my hail bag. It stays inside my bag until then. If I have some old sling or cord I'll add that to the attachment system. A word on pee bottles: I buy some liter and a half H2O bottles at Trader Joe's. Then duct tape hang loops onto them using the bare minimum of tape. The first bottle that gets emptied gets the top sliced off and becomes the girlie pee bottle. It conforms nicely and rides below the bag after it's first use. The rest of the bottles are easy to roll up and store in the bottom of the haul bag.
I have tried using only doubled up ziplock bags for poop storage.
(Just couldn't see spending money on a nice dry bag then throwing it away.)
The smell was just too darned nasty.
However, the WAG BAGS that are required on Mt.Whitney are fine.
I just don't think they are tough enough on technical rock.
And again, I hate spending money on something I look forward to throwing away.
Another thing I sometimes take on the wall is the Freshette! Ah the freedom of peeing standing up! I keep it in a ziplock bag, stowed inside a small stuff sack, clipped to my harness. With this thing, it is easier to avoid peeing on the ropes.
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Ihateplastic
Trad climber
Lake Oswego, Oregon
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Step 1: Poop
Step 2: Measure
Step 3: Build
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TradIsGood
Chalkless climber
the Gunks end of the country
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Succinct.
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hungry man
Trad climber
around
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Dec 16, 2008 - 11:32pm PT
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OOOH MAN, Cosmic! you just made my day!
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superbum
Trad climber
Bishop, CA
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Dec 25, 2008 - 04:19am PT
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orange juice h2o bottles...once empty....cut a door, poop into a wag bag or equivelant...stuff it into the bottle, gorilla tape it shut and then haul ass before the smell cathes up w/ you. In my limited experiance the smell will escape after 3 days. we also hung them under the haul bag so a fair amount of jostling was endured...
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John Galt
Big Wall climber
puerta Natales, Chile
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Mar 11, 2009 - 03:42pm PT
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I use the giant plastic protein bottles or general nutrition suppliment bottles.
-WIDE mouth opening
-screw tight lid
-light
a touch of cat litter is keen, but used coffee grounds work awesome.
But then those who know me think I climb too fast to know about these things. - I have served my time, -and can tell you from MANY TRIPS up the Captain that most virgin wall climbers go 48 hours before pooping, so if it's a short ascent bring a small poop holder.
H
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Chris McNamara
SuperTopo staff member
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This is a rough draft of what will go in my How To Big Wall Climb Guide. You can see other rough draft chapters here: http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.html?topic_id=692927
Poop Tubes, Turd Cages, Coiler Cans – Your Step By Step Guide
It is essential to poo in a bag then carry it to the summit. Pooing in bags and tossing them or just pooing on the wall is not an option. The is nothing worse than being on the best climb in the world (The Nose) and coming across splattered crap.
Step 1 – Go in a bag. There are a few variations:
a) Buy a disposable waste bag ($3-4 each). Sealable plastic bags that come with an odor killing powder, TP, hand sanitizer.
Here are some common brands:
 Wag Bags
Restop 2
Restop 2 Wilderness
b) Make your own:
go in brown paper bag (lunch size or giant)
go in a large Ziploc bag
go in a small brown bag then put it in a large Ziploc bag
Its nice to have some powder laundry detergent or kitty litter to then sprinkle on the poo to knock down the odor. Or prepage your bags with powdered detergent and “shake n’ bake.”
Step 2 – put the bag in a sturdy turd cage
Here a few options for how to carry the poo to the summit (AND BACK DOWN!).
Metolius Waste Case - Best Option
A mini-haulbag designed for turds that comes with 6 Wag Bags
Pros: lightweight, can haul outside of haulbag, doesn’t require assembly
Cons: cost $59.50, can’t get completely airtight seal
Bulk Container - Best Option on a budget
get a bulk food container from a store like Costco that is over a foot tall and has at least 4" diameter opening and a lid that screws tight. Usually these containers have Biscotti, Pretzles, Candy, etc in them. Now, imagine you were sewing webbing to create a haulbag. Make a harness for the container just like that. Secure with duct tape. A keeper string so you don’t lose the lid is optional. Or bring and extra lid in case you drop one.
Pros: lightweight, cheap, can haul outside of [url="http://www.mountaingear.com/pages/product/Search_Results_Endeca_New.asp?N=0&Nu=p_rollup&Ntk=s_search&Ntx=mode%2Bmatchallpartial&Nty=1&Ntt=haul+bag&Go.x=0&Go.y=0&Go=submit/afl/415/cmpn/80275
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, minimal assembly, seals tight
Cons: takes time to find container, some assembly, lose lid halfway up wall and you are hurting.
image from http://www.davidlnelson.md/ElCapitan/DefinitionPoopTube.htm
PVC Tube - Fish Big Wall John
4-inch PVC tube, seal one end and use a screw cap at the other end. (see Mike.’s post above for more details on construction)
Pros: sturdy, can haul under bag, airtight seal: good at keeping down odor, cheap
Cons: heavy, requires some time to assemble and hardware store visit, have a habit of being abandoned mid route or on summit
Or you can buy save the hassle and buy one pre-made by Fish - Fish - Big Wall John
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Painters Bucket
Take a 5 gallon or smaller painter bucket, improvise a harness system and either poo directly into the bucket or go in bags and then store them in the bucket.
Pros: comfortable, cheap, can be hauled outside [url="http://www.mountaingear.com/pages/product/Search_Results_Endeca_New.asp?N=0&Nu=p_rollup&Ntk=s_search&Ntx=mode%2Bmatchallpartial&Nty=1&Ntt=haul+bag&Go.x=0&Go.y=0&Go=submit/afl/415/cmpn/80275
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Cons: tricky to rig a good harness, bulky on the hike down, hard to maintain air tight seal, lose the lid and you are screwed!
River Bag/ Dry Bag
Pros: lightweight, relatively easy to find, air tight (depending on who you talk to)
Cons: can’t haul outside of haul bag or lower-angle rock so you have to deal with it every time you unpack and repack bag, while a good bag won’t leak feces – the odor may leak out, air tight (depending on who you talk to), not that much cheaper than Metolius Waste Case
2-Liter Bottles
Crap in a paper bag, then slit an empty two liter water bottle and stick your bag of business in the bottle. As you move up the wall you'll have more emties to fill as you drink more water. Duct take up the slit, and carry the collection under your haul bag. Don't have to carry an extra container. Careful on lower angle routes (don't want the duct tape to ware off). Back on the ground it's easy to slice off the tops and dump the contents of each bottle into a pit toilet.
Pro: cheap and easy to make, great for "in a pinch"
Con: not good for low angle routes, takes lots of duct tape to get secure seal, must be very careful they don't separate from haulbag
Step 3
Have [url="http://www.mountaingear.com/pages/product/product.asp/imanf/Adventure+Medical+Kits/idesc/Adventure+Hand+Sanitizer+-+Pegable/Store/MG/item/214932/N/0/afl/415/cmpn/80275
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Step 4
When done with wall and you have returned to the ground, dispose of brownpaper bags in pit toilet. The sooner the better!! If you went in a plastic bag, Restop, or WagBag, dispose of in garbage can or dumpster.
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Overshadow
Boulder climber
England
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May 13, 2009 - 07:21am PT
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Why don't you just use a soccer ball and stick a big cork in the top?
It'll bounce off the rock, hence no worries!
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Craig Muderlak
Trad climber
Boulder, CO
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I avoid the bulky, heavy poop-tube all together. It seems as though there's a certain level of fecalphobia amongst wall climbers. A very simply and lightweight way to deal with poop on the wall is to bring one wagbag which can work for one person for three or four days. use the wag bag and store in an empty 2 liter soda bottle used for water. After a two liter is empty, cut it in half, store the wag bag inside and then duck tape the bottle back together. I then simply store this inside the haul bag (of course away from any food). This has worked great for me. The benefits are: no added weight and no bulky tube dangling from the bottom of the haul bag. Sometimes I think folks like geeking out on fancy poop-tubes which simply seems more complex and heavy than necessary. One exception: If I were on a wall for more than four days I might go with the tube. However, you could simply take another wag bag and use another empty 2-liter.
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paaul
Trad climber
Utah
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Feb 22, 2012 - 11:03pm PT
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Here's a question for the ladies to answer. How do you pee without taking your harness and pants off? are there Big Wall pants out there with a butt flap?
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BASE104
Social climber
An Oil Field
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Feb 23, 2012 - 12:35am PT
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Just use an extra strong garbage bag. It doubles as a soft pillow when sleeping in the ledge.
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mucci
Trad climber
The pitch of Bagalaar above you
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Feb 23, 2012 - 02:19am PT
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I then simply store this inside the haul bag (of course away from any food
No way dude. No way!
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Beautiful_Corn
Trad climber
Brooklyn Park, MD
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Feb 23, 2012 - 06:06am PT
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Paaul: My wife likes to use one of these. http://www.freshette.com/
She can write her name in the snow just like we can. It also makes it so she can pee in a bottle with a small mouth if she needs to.
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Prod
Trad climber
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Feb 23, 2012 - 09:23am PT
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I then simply store this inside the haul bag (of course away from any food
Oh man I hope he was joking.
Prod.
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Prod
Trad climber
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Feb 23, 2012 - 12:38pm PT
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Good stuff you bastard!
That reminds me of when I used to be a river guide in the Grand Canyon.
The current sh#t can system is pretty clean sanitary and straight forward.
When I was there we had a 50 mil ammo can, which we would double line with trash bags, then balance a toilet seat on top. Our instructions to the passengers was to pee first, either in the river or a coffee can which would then be dumped into the river, then take a dump in the can, wipe, and sprinkle with powder bleech. The next morning our job would be to compress all the air out of the sh#t bags and transfer them to a 20 mil Ammo can. We called it sucking the air out of the bag. It was usually dripping wer with piss, and stunk really really bad. One guide would get a mega gag reflex any morning he had the job. Ahhhhh the good old days!
Prod.
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hollyclimber
Big Wall climber
Yosemite, CA
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Feb 27, 2012 - 01:58pm PT
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Did not read any of this but please, don't make a poop tube. They just end up broken with poop everywhere.
Consider instead a waste case or a clean mountain can. Poop tubes are a pain to deal with and not reliable to stay intact when hauling.
I used to use my water bottles, but they have failed, including almost landing on two people at the base one time. Not worth it and frankly I got tired of "Playing with the poo" to squeeze it into the opening before duct taping it back up.
I use wag bags and use them at least four times before switching to a new one. They are rated for many uses and I don't want to carry tons nor do I really like the idea of the plastic so I try to use as few as possible to reduce the impact a little there.
HB
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mucci
Trad climber
The pitch of Bagalaar above you
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Feb 27, 2012 - 04:07pm PT
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Personally, I close up like a submarine hatch whilst bigwallin.
+1 on the waste case/wag bag rig harboring the fumes of stankonia.
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