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Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Jul 22, 2014 - 09:46pm PT
Sweden socialist?

IKEA makes American capitalist pigs look like petty amateurs.

http://boingboing.net/2009/08/26/ikea-is-owned-by-a-c.html
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 22, 2014 - 09:46pm PT
Yeah, whatever, despots always take down other despots. It's all about power and control. See Stalin vs. Hitler.

Your relentless obsession with the "tyrant" Bush is really weak. We never conquered anything like we did in WWII. We always leave nowadays when the sh#t calms down...sometimes too soon, of late.

EDIT: Sweden is used to be Socialist like China was Communist. Yeah, they sell some stuff now.

You're making making my 'Socialism sucks' argument for me...
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Jul 22, 2014 - 09:49pm PT
Sweden socialist?

IKEA makes American capitalist pigs look like petty amateurs.

So, what's your point? That there's no free enterprise in a socialist economy? If so, you are wrong. I reference the writings of Norman Thomas and Michael Harrington.

Furthermore I submit to you that the small businessman in this country would be much better off in a more social democratic regime than the present Wall Street oligarchy.
Stewart

Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
Jul 22, 2014 - 09:49pm PT
Bluering: are you really as pig-ignorant than you clearly are?
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Jul 22, 2014 - 09:50pm PT
You're making making my 'Socialism sucks' argument for me...

Sorry, bluering, but you are totally ignorant about any of this.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jul 22, 2014 - 09:52pm PT
Your relentless minimizing of the "tyrant" Bush is really weak. Why do you do that?

Oh yeah.... You bootlicked him the whole time he was taking you to the cleaners and the shame of it is best well, you know.... minimized
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Jul 22, 2014 - 09:52pm PT
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_Group

Although I always thought their cars were sorta ghey.
ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Social climber
SLO, Ca
Jul 22, 2014 - 10:20pm PT
Social welfare is different than socialism. Sweden has a strong market based economy with higher taxes and better benefits. Not the same as state owned industry, etc.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 22, 2014 - 10:25pm PT
Sorry, bluering, but you are totally ignorant about any of this.

Um, no. They sell Saab's and Ikea stuff. Cool!

What many fail to see is that Socialist Europe is awakening, while we fall into their fallacy.

Europe is starting to realize their past errors as they delved into socialism. Just look at the current nationalistic uprisings in Holland, France, Germany, and even Switzerland. They aren't fascist, but pure nationalism.

Australia is awake now too. And Canada. We have fallen behind under poor leadership. The world has lost their leader, but some of you, like our dear leader, may just like it that way.

I just hope that as we get kicked down the ladder, people remember what we sacrificed to help all of our friends, and it was a lot.
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Jul 22, 2014 - 11:15pm PT
some of you, like our dear leader, may just like it that way.

good stuff blue...

Credit: Wade Icey
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Jul 23, 2014 - 05:25am PT
Not the same as state owned industry, etc.

No socialist advocates owning industries, except for basic infrastructures such as transportation, medicine, Auto, plane, etc. manufacturing, no.

But I've only read the American socialists. Lots of different ideas out there.
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Jul 23, 2014 - 05:27am PT
Just look at the current nationalistic uprisings in Holland, France, Germany, and even Switzerland. They aren't fascist, but pure nationalism.

So, your a f*#king neo-nazi. Figures. Fascism thrives on ignorance and apathy.
raymond phule

climber
Jul 23, 2014 - 05:55am PT

What many fail to see is that Socialist Europe is awakening, while we fall into their fallacy.

Europe is starting to realize their past errors as they delved into socialism. Just look at the current nationalistic uprisings in Holland, France, Germany, and even Switzerland. They aren't fascist, but pure nationalism.


Bluering, you I am sure that you have not been outside USA or have you?

Socialist Europe? At time were that the case? Calling fascist/rasist movements pure nationalism...


Yeah, they sell some stuff now.

When did sweden start selling stuff in your world?
raymond phule

climber
Jul 23, 2014 - 06:05am PT

No socialist advocates owning industries, except for basic infrastructures such as transportation, medicine, Auto, plane, etc. manufacturing, no.

But I've only read the American socialists. Lots of different ideas out there.

I am not sure what you mean with socialism. I would say that all European countries after the fall of east Europe are mixed economies and that western Europe have always been mixed economies.

I really don't believe that a country with some state own infrastructure should be called socialistic.

The beginning of the wik article kind of disagree with you. I haven't read the whole article.
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Jul 23, 2014 - 06:34am PT
I am not sure what you mean with socialism. I would say that all European countries after the fall of east Europe are mixed economies and that western Europe have always been mixed economies.

I really don't believe that a country with some state own infrastructure should be called socialistic.

I don't base my thinking on wiki, but Norman Thomas, Michael Harrington and Eugene Debs. Socialism is mixed economy. The main thing is to not have a tiny class siphoning off the wealth produced by the entire nation.

I base my opinion on what the socialist thinkers have written. Bluering bases his opinion on the John Birch Society. It's a mistake to base your opinion on any subject solely on what those opposed to it have to say on the matter. That's what bluering has done. He says he despises the MSM, yet bases his thinking on what they feed him.

Harrington gave a speech to some auto workers in Detroit a long time ago. This when he was still top dog at the old Socialist Party. The sponsor said he would introduce Harrington as author of The Other America: Poverty in the United States. Harrington said no, introduce me as a socialist.

He was roundly booed when introduced. At the end of his speech he was cheered.

If you can find them Norman Thomas' Socialism Re-examined and Socialism on the Defensive make great reading on the subject, along with Michael Harrington's Socialism.
raymond phule

climber
Jul 23, 2014 - 06:48am PT
Ok, I am not sure what is usually meant with socialism but I would guess that it is possibly that the definition is different in american politics and in European politics and that it has changed but I also saw that Palme called himself a democratic socialist.
sandstone conglomerate

climber
sharon conglomerate central
Jul 23, 2014 - 06:50am PT
Don't worry, she's going to make it all better:


http://www.cbsnews.com/news/michele-bachmann-on-a-2016-presidential-bid-theres-a-chance/
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Jul 23, 2014 - 09:47am PT
I'll bet there are more than 12 members that adhere to communist philosophy.

12 members where?

12 communist members in the entire United States?

or are you saying on this Supertopo forum there are at least 15 people who "adhere to communist philosophy?

secondly. blue, please define specifically how these members adhere?

you called ME a "communist", even I though I served this country and came back from the jungle half dead with malaria

you never said WHY I was a "communist" , blue, please say exactly why I am now
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Jul 23, 2014 - 10:05am PT
"Communist" is a vile, bad word in exactly the same way as "conservative" or "liberal."

You have to be pretty f*#king stupid to fall for it.

DMT
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Jul 23, 2014 - 10:45am PT
Yeah, those words have become meaningless epithets in the last couple of decades.
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