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Trad climber
Aug 17, 2014 - 02:09pm PT
bluering states
They don't claim to be unbiased.

And yet you run to them for the "real scoop" every morning. I have no problem with people indulging in a little self-assuring confirmation bias with partisan sites on their personal time, but when you start using their articles to try to prove a factual point about something you've dropped down the rabbit hole.

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An Oil Field
Aug 17, 2014 - 03:09pm PT
I have found Wiki to be an excellent source of info, particularly on the topics of history and science. It has a self correcting mechanism in place, and it is far better than any written encyclopedia.

I read the entry about fascism yesterday, and it was in depth.

People use the word "fascism" too loosely. The main tenet of fascism is hyper-nationalism.

Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
Aug 17, 2014 - 07:13pm PT
BASE 104: Hyper-nationalism is one of the tenets of extreme conservatism.

With respect, I hardly ever see the term "fascist" used anywhere, and fascist is an appropriate label for the delusional comments supplied by the author of this thread. What I DO see - everywhere - is the words "socialist" and "pinko" used as an insult to anyone who doesn't support right wing views.
Flip Flop

Trad climber
Truckee, CA
Aug 17, 2014 - 07:38pm PT
Just stopping by to enjoy watching people kick blurring for being a dumbass. Carry on.

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Courtenay, B.C.
Aug 17, 2014 - 08:54pm PT
Hey Flip Flop: thanks for the laugh. If you're ever up this way, give me a call - I owe you a beer.

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Aug 17, 2014 - 10:22pm PT
Personally, I use the word fascist frequently. Mainly to describe our government. When others say "communist" I just substitute "fascist" and it makes more sense.

Ken M is right: Communism has never been tried on a national scale.

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Aug 17, 2014 - 10:26pm PT
Ken M is right: Communism has never been tried on a national scale.

And it never will because everyone would be too busy arguing about what communism should be.

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 17, 2014 - 10:58pm PT

And it never will because everyone would be too busy arguing about what communism should be.

Or how, this time, it's REALLY gonna work....

f*#king pinkos.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
Aug 18, 2014 - 06:57am PT
Hey Fascist ring, I still can't quite figure out who you are acusing of being some sort of El Quesadilla of Brown domination intent on taking back Aztlan from the white devil. Is it the National Council of la Raza? This guy n the video you keep droning on about - if he "the founder" what exactly did he found?

Is it sorta like how the KKK is the original founder of the modern day Republican party? Thats quite a powerful accusation and if the NCLR are indeed a subversve Trojan horse sent by some Latino illuminati in Mexico City then you must have some actual proof and evidence, just as much as direct links can be made from the KKK to the GOP.

Awesome. We'll look forward to that and maybe you could coach Rick sumner on providing the same conclusive evidence that the entire global wide institution of public scientific research is also a UN generated communist plot.

I'm sure both of you can see the sense of making sure a lynching is really justified

Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
Aug 18, 2014 - 01:43pm PT
Hey Bruce Kay: Don't forget that you're talking to a fascist who STARTED this thread to accuse the hordes of commies who are assailing all that is good in the U.S. by being - direct quote from blueringworm - OPPOSED TO ANYTHING AMERICAN.

In spite of being repeatedly asked for clarification, he is not man enough to explain what on earth he is talking about.
Patrick Sawyer

Originally California now Ireland
Aug 18, 2014 - 02:22pm PT
Thatcher and Reagan did more for humanity than any f*#king commie, despite their preachings and platitudes.

Dream on buddy. You really think that Reagan was responsible for the end of the Cold War, indeed if it did end? Gorbachev stuck his neck on the line more than Ronnie did. Of course, I wouldn't hesitate to think that you believe the US won WW2 by itself (a lot of brave people in the US military, I would have sh#t my pants jumping out of a landing craft on Omaha Beach, for example), without the Red Army losses (huge), the British, Aussies, Kiwis, French, Polish and Dutch Resistance movements, Indians, Nepalese, Chinese, Burmese, and others etc etc. Rah rah America. (EDIT, for Stewart, thanks dude, and Canadians, see below).

And remember my family has been in America longer than yours has - 1640 - and fought the British in the War for Independence and the second man to sign the Declaration was an ancestor. But because I am a liberal, to you that equates as a leftist, perhaps you may even think I am a commie.

As for Maggie, I interviewed her in August 1989 (London, where I was a journalist for seven years). Gawd was she a pain (me against her senior press officer, two other press officers, a secretary and Mag's main aide - and her, the Iron Lady. Dogmatic, obstinate, an effing pain to interview for an hour. She tried intimidating me, seriously, I kid you not). Take my word for it, she was a pain. Or don't take my word for it, at the end of the day I could not care what some person like you thinks. If perhaps you came out with some reasonable, level-headed, logical statements, I would be prepared to listen to you.

Politics aside, I know you are a decent chap, a good dude, just a bit, uh, eh, out of left field. Oops, make that right field.


Humanity? Thatcher and Reagan? Don't make me laugh. For example, prior to the invasion of the Falklands/Malvinas by the idiotic and psychopathic Argentinian junta, Maggie's poll rating was as low as 14% at one point. She welcomed the invasion IMO. Like the junta, very unpopular at the time in Argentina, Maggie knew a war is a good way to get a nation behind a leader. A good boost in the polls.

Forget diplomacy, send the boys off to die. Show me Bluey, how Maggie was great for humanity. Or even Reagan. Show me. And not some propaganda crap from some right-wingers, I want proof, documented proof. Otherwise your assertion that Maggie and Ronnie were great for humanity is a load of manure.

And don't compare them with Stalin, Pol Pot, Hitler or anybody of that ilk, we know people like those were crazy. Headcases. Of course Ronnie and his ideological "lover" Maggie were not like those people. But good for humanity? Actually, I am laughing.


Hey Bluey, so if all Americans do not think like you do that they are commies? Have I taken that correctly?

I am glad there are liberals, conservatives in fact even neo-conservatives and neo-liberals in America. I can do without extremists, regardless of their ideology, but what makes a country like the United States great is precisely that there is a difference of opinion, dialogue, back and forth (as long as it is constructive), and consensus.

Correct me if I am wrong Bluey, but you seem to want all Americans to think like you do. That would truly be the beginning of the end.

Oh yeah and this…

I would have sh#t my pants jumping out of a landing craft on Omaha Beach

I probably would have.

But Uncle Bill Casey (US Army), injured and captured in North Africa, then escaped from a Nazi POW camp in Italy along with two Canadian commandoes, made their way back to Allied (British) lines after an ordeal.

Uncle Joe Sawyer (US Marines) injured and captured in the south Pacific and suffered in a Japanese POW camp. Malaria, beri beri, and horrendous abuse.

These were men, people, fighting for democracy, for Americans to have a voice of their own, for ideological differences, for people to agree to disagree. Not some crybaby who calls people who do not believe in his ideology and politics, commies.

Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
Aug 18, 2014 - 03:34pm PT
Patrick: Magnificently put, but too bad blueringworm is going to ignore it.

Don't forget that this guy figures that Fox news is an impartial provider of information. You may have noticed that he won't even defend the original assertions he unleashed when he started this thread.
Patrick Sawyer

Originally California now Ireland
Aug 18, 2014 - 04:04pm PT
Stewart, a bit off topic, but the family (Casey) folklore is that Uncle Bill showed up at the farm in West Virginia (my grandfather, Papa Casey was a well-respected judge in WVA - a statue of him is in Pittsburgh PA for helping the miners and steel workers for free - fighting the bosses - after retiring from the bench - Grandpa Sawyer was a well-respected judge in Olympia, Washington).

I digress, so family folkore is that Uncle Bill showed up at the farm in a Canadian commando uniform. I do not believe that.

Yes he and the two Canucks (excuse me, I was waiting to use that, says Yank Patrick) did escape, apparently the one Canadian exchanged cigarettes for wire cutters, and Uncle Bill said that they had a devil of time to making it to Allied lines and safety, at one point hiding in bushes in an ant hill, ants crawling all over them as a German patrol went by.

But the Canadian commando uniform bit, I think was perhaps, I don't really know, but perhaps an embellishment, I mean, once back in England (and escaped or freed Allied POWs were sent home, no more front line duty, as I understand it), he would have been transferred to an US Army outfit. I think.

But you know uncles, they can exaggerate. But he and the two Canucks, yuck yuck Canuck, did escape, that is fact. The Canadian commando uniform bit, I just don't see it.

Back on topic, from what I gather from other Taco Standers who know Bluering, he seems like a sincere guy, just brainwashed.

EDIT (I have to, I am compelled to)

for helping the miners and steel workers for free - fighting the bosses

So by Bluering's reckoning, if Papa Casey helped the workers to fight the bosses, he was fighting capitalism, hence he was a communist. So not only was he a good liberal Irish-American, but, by what Bluering espouses, could have been a Commie, helping the proletariat.

Nah, that is a huge stretch, nothing doing. He was an honest and just judge. But felt for the "little man".

What about you Bluey, do you feel for the worker? Rest assured, you do not have to be a Commie to side with the average person, with the working class, with the middle class, of which your saints Thatcher, Reagan and Bushes - to name a few - want to keep down, under their thumbs. To brainwash with Faux News.

Think about it Bluering. Who do you really support?

And nothing wrong with the boss, if he/she is a good one. But is it profit before people, or people before profit. Perhaps, with intelligence, it can be both… amicalbly. Working together. It can happen.

Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
Aug 18, 2014 - 04:52pm PT
Hi Patrick: There was a joint Yank/Canuck commando force called the First Special Services Brigade which fought in Italy. There was a movie made about these guys called "The Devil's Brigade". I'm not clear on what their uniforms looked like, but they were seriously tough guys who, if memory serves me properly never once failed to take their objectives. They wore a red arrowhead patch with the words Canada/U.S.A. within its borders.

Just to blur things even more, Canadians served in the U.S. military and other Commonwealth forces (including the British commandos) and some Yanks served in Commonwealth forces, which sometimes led to confusion about someone's nationality based on their uniform alone. As A matter of fact, during the Dieppe fiasco, which caused the loss of over 900 Canadian lives in a few hours, there was a detachment of 50(?) U.S. Rangers that landed with them, and I believe that 3 of them were killed - the first uniformed U.S. army casualties in the European war, if my admittedly fallible memory serves me correctly.

Hope some of this may be of interest.

I'll save you some time waiting for blueringworm's opinion regarding worker's rights. It goes something like "they're already overpaid, and if they're not delighted with their earnings, then they're commies."

The only "worker's" rights he's interested in are those of billionaires, proof of which can be found in his amazing inability to respond to repeated inquiries about the fairness of 1% of the U.S. population controlling 37% of the nation's wealth.

Sep 5, 2014 - 05:44am PT

Can't say if they were ever sic'ed on the Germans up in the Dolomites Stewart, but when the war ended, Berlin was in flames -Hitler was dead and the Reich had surrendered, there were still well armed German units dug in and unsurrendered up in the Italian mountains. They walked out later when they were damned good and ready, never having been beaten.

Father in laws unit, the most decorated unit in the US Army during WW2, took an unsuccessful shot at dislodging them before they were pulled out to try and rescue the lost battalion.

Which went horribly wrong.

Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
Sep 5, 2014 - 01:46pm PT
Hey couchmaster: Are you referring to the 442nd Regimental Combat Team? If so, the bad news is that, as you say, they were shot to pieces. The good news, if it can be called that under the circumstances, was that they indeed made contact with the "Lost Battalion" and led the survivors to safety. Hope that I'm correct about this, as I'm not especially familiar with the details.

The 442nd RCT was one hell of an outfit, and they should be remembered with honour, as should all of our veterans who put their lives on the line to rid the world of fascism.

History has been brutally indifferent to the Allied forces who fought in the Italian Campaign. Their massive contribution to victory in Europe has been pretty well ignored by later generations - as a matter of fact, an inbred English aristocrat at the time unspeakably insulted these brave servicemen by labelling them the "D-Day Dodgers", as if it was a crime to make the first permanent Allied foothold in Europe nearly a year before the Normandy landings.

Trad climber
Yay Area
Sep 5, 2014 - 01:54pm PT
Hay, Bluering!

Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
Sep 6, 2014 - 02:14pm PT
blueringworm has now assured me that he intends to continue with this thread - possibly the most dumb-ass thread in the history of the internet - but didn't bother to explain why he hasn't answered any of the repeated questions as to what on earth he was talking about in the first place - namely what on earth the "anything American" these legions of cunningly hidden commies were opposed to in the first place.

I guess he's still busy collating the objective facts Fox news has provided him with on August 17, the date of his last posting.

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 7, 2014 - 02:01am PT
what on earth the "anything American" these legions of cunningly hidden commies were opposed to in the first place.

Is that a question or a statement? As a commie yourself you should be aware of the answer to that innocuous crap. I've already pointed out the agenda.

Stop saying I don't answer your stupid questions. Read the f*#king thread, idiot!

EDIT: Hi, Edris...
Patrick Sawyer

Originally California now Ireland
Sep 7, 2014 - 03:13am PT
Further to my previous post, Bluey.

I wonder if you are one of these nutcases who thinks surrender is a bad word. My Uncle Bill and my Uncle Joe had no alternative, they were injured and left behind, by no desire by their own command, that is just the way war is. But of course Bluering, who has never seen action (neither have I), may (I stress MAY) think that they were cowards for being surrounded, injured, and maybe should have committed Hari Kari, or something.

But you, with your big blue balls would never surrender to the enemy. You are a hero in your mind.

You espouse war. You, in my mind, are in someways no better than ISIS. Off with their heads. That is medevial, but that Bluering, unless you can say otherwise, is your way. Bluering = ISIS.

The Islamic States are vicious, they are knowlegable, they know how to use the media and technology, make no mistake about it. But headless chickens like you Bluering, sort of frightening as well.

You, Bluey, in your own way, tries to use the internet to espouse your hatred of people that do not agree with you. You call them names. Commies, immigrants (like your ancestors originated in America, yeah right) as you started this thread, so, really, and think about it, are you really any different than ISIS?


I wrote the above without reading the last few posts. Bluering, you need help before you set a bomb off on Fisherman's Wharf, or Pier 39 or University of California Berkeley. You need help buddy. Anger management? Or more.

I thought, one day if we ever met, that despite our ideological differences, we could rope up. But now hmmm…

Bluering, seek help. Seriously, and not from your anti-American friends and their BS literature about how liberals are bad. To me, you are ISIS. Can I say that again, you are the American ISIS, just with a different religion and agenda, still dogmatic, insular. IMO, you are bad news, perhaps more invasive than Islamic extremists in American society.

I challenge you to my assertions that you are as much a nutcase as ISIS. (Albeit, without the beheadings, but I wonder in your case).

Fire away buddy.
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