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Stewart

Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
Sep 9, 2014 - 04:03pm PT
Sorry about two posts in a row - my carpal tunnel syndrome is killing me attempting to give this guy a reality check - but this is priceless:

Using blueringworm's words verbatim:

25/2/10 - "Jesus was truly benevolent... not seeking power (as in not running for congress - oops - that's me), not greedy.

In response to my inquiry about whether it's unfair for 1% of the U.S. population to control 37% of the nation's wealth, and shortly before his immortal words about scoring "mucho pussy"

9/7/14 - Nope, they're doing what you and I would do, or any sane person. Cover their ass and look out for themselves.

Compare and contrast.

blueringworm, I'd sure hate to have you or any of your accomplices anywhere near me during a crisis.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 9, 2014 - 07:17pm PT
Sorry about two posts in a row - my carpal tunnel syndrome is killing me attempting to give this guy a reality check - but this is priceless:

Using blueringworm's words verbatim:

25/2/10 - "Jesus was truly benevolent... not seeking power (as in not running for congress - oops - that's me), not greedy.

In response to my inquiry about whether it's unfair for 1% of the U.S. population to control 37% of the nation's wealth, and shortly before his immortal words about scoring "mucho pussy"

9/7/14 - Nope, they're doing what you and I would do, or any sane person. Cover their ass and look out for themselves.

Compare and contrast.

blueringworm, I'd sure hate to have you or any of your accomplices anywhere near me during a crisis.


Not only are you misquoting me, but you're taking some of my answers to your questions and bending them totally out of context. I'm used to this typical behavior when one cannot argue or debate with facts and reason.

You resort to slander, name-calling, and distortion.
Bushman

Social climber
Elk Grove, CA
Sep 10, 2014 - 08:16am PT
This being an entirely political conversation I regret having stepped into it.

Only this have I found to be true;

Politics belongs in the realm where nothing is sacred
so if you espouse any ethical, spiritual, or religious views
they are certain to go out the window when you walk
upon the stage of political theater.

-Bushman out
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 10, 2014 - 04:59pm PT
Bluering, didn't you say that you are now a Tea Party member

and your favorite politicians were Ted Cruz, Trey Gouty, Allen West, Sarah Palin,
and you voted for McCain and Romney because you could see that they were Solid Presidential Material, like 1000x better than Obama
Correct?

Didn't you post a link to Sarah Palin's speech that you were raving about from the Conservative/Republican/Fascist convention,
sorry I never listened to it, so I will have to take your word.

That all seems pretty accurate, Dr. F.

Tell you what, blueringworm - post the EXACT words from the postings I quoted, and let others decide for themselves what you said. I'll be happy to compare your version to the original.

You do the work! You're the one grabbibg my quotes!!! You should remember where they were on this thread.

Are you so deluded as to think that Fox news is a source of objective commentary on world events? Get a grip.

Depends on the show. Some of it is commentary, and some of it is hard news based in current facts.
Stewart

Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
Sep 10, 2014 - 07:38pm PT
blueringworm: Here goes (every word verbatim):

0n 25/2/10: Karl, you're probably right about Jesus. The difference is that he was truly benevolent, not seeking power, not greedy. He wasn't bound by the laws of mankind.

Men (or women) cannot make communism work on any significant scale.

Dr. F., do you really expect people to read all that???

On 7/9/14 (in response to my question: Do you think it's fair for 1% of U.S. citizens to control 37% of the nation's wealth?)

Yes. How would fair be defined in your world?

Or would it be "unfair" to tax people more highly because they are more successful? Or more fiduciarally wise.

Later, the same day Byran (who had enough intelligence to use the definition of the word "fiduciary" properly) asked blueringworm "are you saying that the top 1% are just holding onto all the wealth on our behalf and acting with our best interests in mind?"

Blueringworm: Nope, they're doing what you or I would do, or any sane person.

Cover their ass and look out for themselves.

As I said, compare and contrast.

-Oh, yeah - as thanks for all my trouble, please supply us with the name(s) of the Fox news commentators who provide academically verifiable commentary on the issues of the day.

bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 11, 2014 - 09:58am PT
I stand by everything you just posted that I said. Where do you disagree with my points?

-Oh, yeah - as thanks for all my trouble, please supply us with the name(s) of the Fox news commentators who provide academically verifiable commentary on the issues of the day.


Bret Beier, Greta Van Susteran, Bill O'Reilly come to mind.

Ed Henry goes out of his way to be impartial, as does Bret. The problem is that many people on Fox are, in fact, "academically verifiable", but they appear biased because they are rightfully criticizing the administration. They are taking one side because logic/reason dictate that.

Also, WTH does "academically verifiable" mean? The last people I trust to be un-biased are academics.

I would simply use "factually verifiable".

Oh, I forgot that Jennifer Griffin and Catherine Herridge are totally awesome field reporters.
Stewart

Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
Sep 11, 2014 - 01:24pm PT
blueringworm: well I still think you're a twisted little weasel, so nothing has changed here, either. As for your rejection of the Sermon on the Mount, I expect that Christ will be eager to discuss your contempt for his teachings when he meets you and your buddies.

I will, however, congratulate you for having the surprisingly idealistic trust in the 1%ers to stand by your "fiduciary" comment.

That list of "impartial" Fox news commentators is hilarious. I'd pay serious money to see even one of those robots defend their propaganda with objective facts, instead of slogans from the enema - oops - Tea Bag play book.

Bill O'Reilly? he's an infantile bully whose idea of making a point is by yelling at his victim and accusing him of being a traitor before cutting the guy's microphone out. Objective, indeed.

Oh, yeah. people who aren't fascists consider "academically verifiable" to be the basis of civilized discourse amongst people with at least a passing familiarity with logic. As I said it, you should try it some time.
crankster

Trad climber
Sep 11, 2014 - 01:36pm PT
Bill O'Reilly??? That explain everything.
Stewart

Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
Sep 11, 2014 - 03:54pm PT
Here's how logic DOESN'T work:

-I have absolutely no proof that communists exist in any significant numbers in the U.S.
-I don't like progressive people, so I'll call them all commies, or communist dupes, because they're not really smart like me.
-I want to terrorize people who don't think like me.
-I'll NEVER accept any evidence that I'm mistaken about anything.
-I think it's perfectly reasonable for rich people to steal everything that they can from anyone who can't stop them.
-I reject the teachings of Christ, but I'll shout as loud as I can to the world that I defend Christian values.

Now, contrast and compare, from the Oxford Dictionary of Current English:

Christian: of Christ or his teaching; believing in, professing, or belonging to the religion of Christ; showing qualities associated with this; charitable, kind.

So, blueringworm, you and your fascist buddies should stop misrepresenting yourselves as Christians and call yourselves oh, I don't know... how about something more LOGICAL, like Judasists?

Here's another lesson in logic especially for you, blueringworm:

-it walks like a weasel.
-it looks like a weasel.
-it behaves like a weasel.
-it smells like a weasel.
-it probably is a weasel.

Now, THATS logical.

Oh - here's another definition for you, again from the Oxford Dictionary of Current English, blueringworm:

Communism: social system in which property is vested in the community and each member works for the common benefit.

What an unspeakable evil to believe in, eh blueringworm?
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Sep 11, 2014 - 04:14pm PT
Roger Ailes came up with the concept while working for Nixon, he found if the Republicans just stayed in their own little bubble of lies and BS, that they could build a following of sheep that will go along with it just because they like the conformational-bias of finding fault with the Dems and liberals, and they can focus their hate on any powerless group they want to funnel blame on.

This should be reworded:
Goebbels came up with the concept while working for Hitler, he found if the Nazis just stayed in their own little bubble of lies and BS, that they could build a following of sheep that will go along with it just because they like the conformational-bias of finding fault with the Jews and Gypsies and Socialists, and they can focus their hate on any powerless group they want to funnel blame on.

Ailes just stole a page out of Goebbels' playbook. And it totally resonated with Tricky Dick.
jstan

climber
Sep 11, 2014 - 06:01pm PT
U.S. Income Inequality Higher Than Roman Empire's Levels: Study
The Huffington Post | By Jillian Berman
Posted: 12/19/2011 5:30 pm EST Updated: 12/19/2011 5:33 pm EST

Many tout the U.S. as the Roman empire of the modern world. But as it turns out, that comparison may not be all good.

Income inequality in America is at levels even higher than those in ancient Rome, according to a recent study from two historians, Walter Schiedel and Steven Friesen, cited by Per Square Mile. After analyzing papyri ledgers, biblical passages and other previous scholarly estimates, the researchers found that the top one percent of earners in Ancient Rome controlled 16 percent of the society's wealth. By comparison, the top one percent of American earners control 40 percent of the country's wealth, according to Vanity Fair. (h/t ThinkProgress)

The findings add to the growing chorus of studies and criticisms indicating that the wealth gap is hitting truly remarkable levels. The top one percent saw their incomes rise by 275 percent between 1979 and 2007, according to the Congressional Budget Office, while the bottom fifth of earners only saw their incomes grow by 20 percent during that same period.

Those looking forward to the method France used to correct this state of affairs in 1790 might consider the only person who faced upward on the guillotine

was Robespierre.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 11, 2014 - 07:20pm PT
Here's how logic DOESN'T work:

-I have absolutely no proof that communists exist in any significant numbers in the U.S.
-I don't like progressive people, so I'll call them all commies, or communist dupes, because they're not really smart like me.
-I want to terrorize people who don't think like me.
-I'll NEVER accept any evidence that I'm mistaken about anything.
-I think it's perfectly reasonable for rich people to steal everything that they can from anyone who can't stop them.
-I reject the teachings of Christ, but I'll shout as loud as I can to the world that I defend Christian values.

Now, contrast and compare, from the Oxford Dictionary of Current English:

Christian: of Christ or his teaching; believing in, professing, or belonging to the religion of Christ; showing qualities associated with this; charitable, kind.

So, blueringworm, you and your fascist buddies should stop misrepresenting yourselves as Christians and call yourselves oh, I don't know... how about something more LOGICAL, like Judasists?

Here's another lesson in logic especially for you, blueringworm:

-it walks like a weasel.
-it looks like a weasel.
-it behaves like a weasel.
-it smells like a weasel.
-it probably is a weasel.

Now, THATS logical.

Oh - here's another definition for you, again from the Oxford Dictionary of Current English, blueringworm:

Communism: social system in which property is vested in the community and each member works for the common benefit.

What an unspeakable evil to believe in, eh blueringworm?


Another gem captured in time. Spoken like a true believer in communism. I'll deconstruct it when I get some time.

Stewey, while you have your dictionary out, look up 'logic' and 'fact'. I think you have them wrong...

EDIT: Jstan, you're really gonna post an editorial from the HuffPo as a relevant article?

Meh.
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Sep 11, 2014 - 07:29pm PT
Rejoice, rejoice....Bluey is breathing new life into McCarthyism. It's been over half a century since we enjoyed that show...far, far too long.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 11, 2014 - 07:29pm PT
Glanton, if you knew you me you would never make those remarks...

You think you do though. I fit your mold. Who's the real bigot?

EDIT:
Rejoice, rejoice....Bluey is breathing new life into McCarthyism. It's been over half a century since we enjoyed that show...far, far too long.

If you look at the facts, McCarthy was right! But he didn't lead the bigger crusade against commies in Hollywood. It was others.

Even Bogart and Bacall later admitted to being lured in to this group unknowingly. They later denounced them. They were used.

But the commies of today are much different. They don't use the c-word. They just promote the philosophy. And when you call them out on it, look out!

They call you a McCarthyite, or delusional, or paranoid. Whatever.

What's kinda funny is how many people here are defending the commie philosophy. And are hating on me for pointing it out!

It's telling.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 11, 2014 - 08:07pm PT
What did McCarthy do that was wrong? Keep in mind the time when he raised the alarm.

Was McCarthy wrong? In Hollywood there were card-carrying members of the CPUSA. It is well documented. There was reason to be suspicious at that time.

Bogart and Bacall denounced these commies too!
Stewart

Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
Sep 11, 2014 - 08:08pm PT
Judas, oops - blueringworm - look those words up yourself, you pathetic bastard.

I believe it was in my first posting that I not only made it clear that I wasn't a communist, but had relatives that were victims of Stalinism, which incidentally has nothing to do with the teachings of Karl Marx.

Marx, from my admittedly limited understanding of his works, developed (to, again, my admittedly limited understanding), theories that proposed the creation of a political utopia that looked great on paper, but unfortunately he forgot to factor human nature into the equation.

Not only did I deny any communist affiliation, I mentioned that when monsters who call themselves communists take over a revolution, their first victims are almost always progressive non-communists. Try to pay attention to this, you pathetic fool.

For example:

-The Spanish Civil War attracted idealists from all over the planet to protect a democratic government from a Fascist rebellion. The Soviet Union was the only nation that would provide these freedom fighters with weapons to defend democracy. Unfortunately, along with the weapons came Stalinist political commissars to indoctrinate these idealists. Not surprisingly, Stalinist fanatics were not often welcomed by those who had functioning bullshit detectors, which often cost these defenders of democracy a bullet in the head after show trials conducted by these Stalinist goons.

Assuming you are capable of reading anything other than Mein Kampf for your political education, I would suggest that you read (in chronological order) everything written by George Orwell to actually get a handle on this business. It will help you learn what a truly dumb-ass clown you are.

Don't you dare call me a communist, you snivelling toad. Unlike you, I have sufficient integrity to admit my political affiliations, and the only thing that I believe in without reservation is that we are only on planet Earth for a short time, and that it is our obligation to treat each other as kindly as possible.

Oh, yeah - and to resist Fascism.

That's what Jesus would want us to do.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 11, 2014 - 09:32pm PT
Stewey, communisim, or Statism, comes in many forms.

You got yer Stalinism, Marxism, yer Leninism (similar to Marxism), and all the rotten children that derived from them.

Sorry about your ancestors too! There were many victims, over many decades.

I have no bone to pick with you, but quite the opposite. America, as a capitalist republic, is probably the greatest empire that ever existed.

The documents that bind us to law are the most moral, decent documents ever created. The Declaration and the Constitution.

We've done some wrong, as all will do, but we always make sh#t right. And we are indeed are peaceful people.

Winston Churchill once quipped;

“You can always count on Americans to do the right thing - after they've tried everything else.”

We always find the way.
Stewart

Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
Sep 11, 2014 - 09:54pm PT
blueringworm: In response to your relatively civilized comments, I'll give you a relatively civilized response.

Anybody can call their political system anything that they want. I believe that the official name for North Korea is "The People's Democratic Republic of Korea."

As I pointed out much earlier, the different "communist" nations are often at war with each other as they are with nations of any other ideology.

I completely disagree with much of what else you've posted in your reply, by the way.

bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 12, 2014 - 10:33am PT
Stewey, you're entitled to your opinions, despite our disagreeing on many things.

It's ironic that you bring up the 'Democratic People's Republic of North Korea'. This is a common Marxist tactic, that is, to change the language to make it more palpable to the "masses". It sounds real nice.

China's the same way.

But it can be evidenced even here in the US. 'People For the American Way' (PAW), is a communist front group. Not overtly, of course, but by their philosophies. Sounds like a real patriotic group, right?

The whole term 'Progressive' was coined for the same reason. And also why the term 'traditional' has been smeared as old, outdated, and backwards-ass.

Leftists, commies, Marxists, or whatever always change the language of their policy to make it appear as something it is not. They have to sell it under the guise of a nicer name.

I just can't understand why so many suckers still buy it. People don't think, they don't listen or analyze. They just take the bait when it sounds all cozy and nice.

EDIT: Dr. F, there is very little that I fear. One of the things that everybody should fear though is the transformation of America into a socialist state. It's happening slowly, even as some Euro countries have started to realize their experiment with socialism is a failure.

Communism is indeed almost dead, but the philosophy is still alive in some circles. They just call it different names.
Byran

climber
San Jose, CA
Sep 12, 2014 - 10:44am PT
I see. Sort of like when Commies made it legal to arrest citizens and hold them indefinitely without charging them with a crime, and called it the Patriot Act.

Or when they introduced a socialist system of standardized testing in public schools and called it No Child Left Behind.
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