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Stewart

Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
Jul 19, 2014 - 02:54pm PT
blueringworm, you twisted jackass - Fascism - Extreme right wing totalitarian system or VIEWS, as originally prevailing in Italy (1922-43). Source: The Oxford Dictionary of Current English.

Right: - political group or section favouring conservatism, conservatives collectively. See above for source.

These are known as FACTS: (definition: thing that is known to be true or to exist; truth, reality; thing assumed as basis for argument). See above for source.

Now do you see why I have suggested that you seek psychiatric care for your paranoia? (definition: mental disorder with delusions of grandeur, persecution, etc.; abnormal tendency to suspect and mistrust others). See above for source.

So how did you like my comments about Mein Kampf? How about your views on The Protocols of the Elders of Zion?

I can't thing of a single word that I have posted here that can't be verified from reputable sources. Are you accusing me of espousing extreme left wing opinions? Perhaps you could inform me as to which ones I have stated. I could use a laugh.

Gee whiz. I thought that most of what I've posted indicates that I don't subscribe to ANY views that could be termed extreme. I will, however admit that I have only contempt for the war criminals like the Bush family and their co-defendants.

I'll offer you something for free: If you agree that the United States should agree to respect the authority of the International Criminal Court, including other international human rights organizations (which the rest of the civilized world has already done), then I'll try to back off on the Bushes.

Dubya's particularly hard to let go of, though. When he wasn't snorting coke or bankrupting every business his father bought for him (including the United States), he was busy becoming possibly the only cringing coward in the history of the USAF. In case this FACT is over your head, almost EVERY fighter pilot was fighting tooth an nail to get a combat posting to Viet Nam. Dubya, however, was sitting around laughing at these guys and getting wasted back in the safety of the States.

TGT - what in hell is wrong with you? I don't think a single person has posted a single word on this thread that indicates admiration of the murder of innocents.

Since you didn't bother reading my comment about the (I assume) Chinese execution, here's two questions that I hope that you have the integrity to answer:

-Are you so concerned about the sanctity of human life that you are spending all your spare times attempting to ban capital punishment in the U.S., who rates near the top of the planet for legalized executions?

 Are you so distressed about Chinese human rights abuses that you and blueringworm are at this very moment lobbying Fox "news" to organize a boycott of all trade links with your nation's biggest trading partner? Oh - I forgot. The U.S. is so heavily indebted to China that the U.S. would be an instant third world country if those guys demanded immediate payment of those financial obligations.

blueringworm: nobody's perfect, but your typos are showing.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 19, 2014 - 03:32pm PT
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism

Merriam-Webster makes no mention of right-wingers in their definition, only despots.
Stewart

Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
Jul 19, 2014 - 03:41pm PT
blueringworm: I would imagine that most intelligent linguists would agree that the language is called English for a reason, and Oxford is arguably the most prestigious university on planet Earth.

Ah ha ha ha ha ha.

Oh, yeah - are you and TGT so lost in your deluded super "patriot" frenzy that neither one of you can actually respond to my last posting? Factually.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Jul 19, 2014 - 04:24pm PT
Communism and Islam as religions suffer from the same delusion.

(There are just to damn many of those unbelievers in the way of achieving utopia/paradise)

in the end the true believers turn to murder no mater what their original intention was.
sandstone conglomerate

climber
sharon conglomerate central
Jul 19, 2014 - 05:02pm PT
including christians, i.e. the crusades
HermitMaster

Social climber
my abode
Jul 19, 2014 - 05:11pm PT
If the Christians of today are responsible for the Crusades then the modern day Democrats are responsible for slavery.....

It's a bullshit argument and not worthy of discussion....
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 19, 2014 - 05:16pm PT
Do you people understand what the Crusades was a response to?

Look it up an we'll discuss. (it's starting all over again too, but not from our fruition. Like the Crusades...it's the Islamists).
Stewart

Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
Jul 19, 2014 - 06:04pm PT
blueringworm: I guess when you and your lunatic clones haven't noticed is that not once have any of you presented a single argument that is supported by a respectable reference.

What I HAVE noticed is that when I presented a condensed version of Mein Kampf for those with weak stomachs or an inability to stomach the repetitive ravings of a psychotic (yet, horrifyingly enough, highly charismatic) imbecile, this piece of genetic garbage mentioned an alarmingly effective set of recommendations for turning an entire nation into mass murderers. As a matter of fact, he invented the big lie, which goes this way:

-Ignore factual criticism.
-Keep repeating the same lies until people begin to accept them as facts.

Worked like a hot damn & continues to do so today, hence the Tea Party. By the way, who allowed Fascists the uncontested right to refer to themselves as patriots?

Throughout this thread, there have been several of your opponents who have made no secret of their progressive leanings. NONE of them have indicated a mindless adherence to any flavour of Communist dogma.

I will REPEAT yet again: I have lost ancestors to Stalin's terror, and am an adherent to no "ism" whatsoever. Also, I, like anyone who lives to the left of your fascist fairyland, am perfectly aware that almost without exception when communists take control after a revolution, the first people to be liquidated are the progressives. What I'm trying to say here is that we out here on the left have every reason to be even more vigilant about communist plots than fascists like you and your buddies.

Then again, the next time you attempt to accuse anyone with a crumb of decency in their character of being a commie, I repeat that I'm astonished that when you claim that the CIA, FBI, Homeland Security, and all the other intelligence agencies are on side with your delusional crap, I'm surprised that they haven't dragged your worthless ass down to Guantanamo Bay to find out why you alerted us horrible people to the "fact" that they're onto our historically spectacular plan to put freedom-loving rocket scientists like yourself into chains. I haven't the least doubt that letting the cat out of the bag like this qualifies you as a traitor to the United States of America.

So... based upon the repeated postings of TGT and yourself, when can we expect you steely-eyed patriots to organize a boycott of all trade with China, along with an end to the death penalty in the U.S.?

Come on, at least answer the above. You've already used it as a lame justification for whatever the hell you're trying to sell us. Be a man and show some integrity for once.

Integrity: (definition from the Oxford Dictionary of Current English) honesty; wholeness; soundness. (My words) - the last two citations refer to its use when referring to things like buildings, etc.

Another FACT for you, you toad.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Jul 19, 2014 - 09:03pm PT
in the end the true believers turn to murder no mater what their original intention was
I'm not going to argue that point.
So does it apply to Evangelical Christians? They are as much "true believers" as some Muslims and Jews.
Interesting isn't it that the 3 major God believing religions can be called "true believers" with some justification.
Doesn't seem to apply so neatly to Buddhists and Hindus and certainly NOT to agnostics and atheists.

Communism is nothing like a religion (as was claimed earlier by TGT).
It is a social and political philosophy.
If you knew your history, you'd know that the first thing the Russian Communists did was destroy the authority of the Church and repress religion. Actually, I'm pretty sure you knew that but it didn't fit with your demagoguery.
A political theory derived from Karl Marx, advocating class war and leading to a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs. See also Marxism.
The most familiar form of communism is that established by the Bolsheviks after the Russian Revolution of 1917, and it has generally been understood in terms of the system practiced by the former Soviet Union and its allies in eastern Europe, in China since 1949, and in some developing countries such as Cuba, Vietnam, and North Korea. Communism embraced a revolutionary ideology in which the state would wither away after the overthrow of the capitalist system. In practice, however, the state grew to control all aspects of communist society.

Fascism on the other hand worked hand in hand with complicity by the Lutheran (Germany) and Catholic (Germany and Italy) churches, and the Shinto "religion" in Japan.
The term Fascism was first used of the totalitarian right-wing nationalist regime of Mussolini in Italy (192243), and the regimes of the Nazis in Germany and Franco in Spain were also fascist. Fascism tends to include a belief in the supremacy of one national or ethnic group, a contempt for democracy, an insistence on obedience to a powerful leader, and a strong demagogic approach

demagogue:
A political leader who seeks support by appealing to popular desires and prejudices rather than by using rational argument.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 20, 2014 - 04:43am PT
So... based upon the repeated postings of TGT and yourself, when can we expect you steely-eyed patriots to organize a boycott of all trade with China, along with an end to the death penalty in the U.S.?

I already have a family-based boycott of Chinese goods. The wife and I always look a product labels and buy non-Chinese goods where possible.

The death penalty? I support it in almost all cases.

As for your obsession with reporting communists to the 'authorities', it is not illegal to have those beliefs. It is fundamentally un-American based on our traditional values, but it's a free country and you are entitled to have those beliefs.

I'm not going to argue that point.
So does it apply to Evangelical Christians? They are as much "true believers" as some Muslims and Jews.
Interesting isn't it that the 3 major God believing religions can be called "true believers" with some justification.
Doesn't seem to apply so neatly to Buddhists and Hindus and certainly NOT to agnostics and atheists.

Well, the only only people that kill in the name of their religion are Islamists (not all Muslims). And as I said before, the Crusades were a response to an Islamic caliphate that sought to conquer southern Europe.

Communism is nothing like a religion (as was claimed earlier by TGT).
It is a social and political philosophy.
If you knew your history, you'd know that the first thing the Russian Communists did was destroy the authority of the Church and repress religion. Actually, I'm pretty sure you knew that but it didn't fit with your demagoguery.


I'll have to disagree here somewhat. Communism is a substitute for religion. "Religion is the opiate of the masses", was once said, and that is why it had to be destroyed. It held people together.

Communists made the State their religion. Don't believe in some phony fairy tale of a man in the sky, believe in the State and our dear leader, he will give you all you need in the here and now.

Fascism on the other hand worked hand in hand with complicity by the Lutheran (Germany) and Catholic (Germany and Italy) churches, and the Shinto "religion" in Japan.

Well, that's arguable. I would not say the church worked "hand in hand" with fascist leaders. Sure, the leaders called themselves Catholics, or whatever, but their deeds were political.

Timmy McVeigh was raised as a Christian, but he did not subscribe to the faith. He was irreligious, a pagan. He did not kill in the name of God. He killed because of political ideology.

Hitler, Hito, and the Spanish fascists killed in the name of the State, or the Emperor, not God. As did Stalin. And Mao, and Castro.
sandstone conglomerate

climber
sharon conglomerate central
Jul 20, 2014 - 04:59am PT
Dubya, modern day Christian crusader:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/oct/07/iraq.usa

Gawd told him to git 'er done down there in the shitkickig north 40.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 20, 2014 - 05:10am PT
I'm not sure I'd believe a second-hand account from a Palestinian leader. But GW was a spiritual dude.
sandstone conglomerate

climber
sharon conglomerate central
Jul 20, 2014 - 05:13am PT
He was a spiritual man, and a stupid man as well. A very toxic mix. Spiritualism should have stayed his hand when it came to smashing a country and its population.

Try this one out:


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1184546/Donald-Rumsfelds-holy-war-How-President-Bushs-Iraq-briefings-came-quotes-Bible.html
7SacredPools

Trad climber
Guelph, Ontario, Canada
Jul 20, 2014 - 05:17am PT
Bluering wrote "The death penalty? I support it in almost all cases."

So you support the murder of innocent people then? Because of course you are aware that not everyone that is convicted and executed is guilty of the crime.
My, my, wonder what God is going to have to say about that. Never mind, He's actually pretty down with killing. Promotes it even. It's His wayward son who's against it, but WTF does he know?
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 20, 2014 - 05:24am PT
SC, I think that's a stretch. He wasn't using a Crusade to go into war, but using faith to keep our soldiers strong while fighting a war.

It's very clear why we went to war, whether you agree or not, but it was not because of religion.

EDIT:
So you support the murder of innocent people then? Because of course you are aware that not everyone that is convicted and executed is guilty of the crime.

I said, in almost all cases.
7SacredPools

Trad climber
Guelph, Ontario, Canada
Jul 20, 2014 - 05:29am PT
Sorry bluering but you can't have the death penalty without murdering innocent people as well. The justice system is far from perfect.
When are you death penalty advocates going to get that?
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 20, 2014 - 05:36am PT
The justice system is far from perfect.

True, and it never will be. But there are cases that are "open and shut" cases. Besides, they rarely execute people anymore...
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Jul 20, 2014 - 08:59am PT
bluering wrote:
If you did everything yourself, you get to decide what to do with the goods.

There you have it, bluering is a communist!
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 20, 2014 - 09:08am PT
If you say so, Gary, go ahead and run with that...
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Jul 20, 2014 - 09:13am PT
If you think a person gets to keep the full reward of his work, then you're by definition a marxist.
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