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bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 18, 2014 - 07:07pm PT
So please help me understand.
Who are these Communists? What nationality are they? Which Communist Party do they owe allegiance to? Why is the FBI not alerting us? Is Snowden a Communist? Chelsea Manning?

Damnit, Fred, are you reading ALL of my posts? I laid this out before.

Other than the Communist Party USA (CPUSA), most recognize they have to call themselves something else to get any credence. 'Progressive' is the latest, but most progressives are too uneducated in communist philosophy to realize that they're following, almost to a bullet-point, the words of communists. Usually the younger progressives.

Obama falls into this category, but he knows he's a neo-Marxist as I call them. The Saul Alinsky crowd are pretty much all neo-Marxists.

The CLintons were Fabian Socialists. Not quite as bad, which may explain the rift between the Obamas and the CLintons. Fabian Socialists can also be described as "Sophists". People who speak eloquently, but just to bullshit and confuse you. They sound really intellectual and compassionate, but they are bullshitting you.

The bottom line, as I said before, is that I really don't care about the labels. There are many. I look at what people do and the policies they seek to employ.

Judge a person by the quality of their character, but more importantly, by their actions and the policies they pursue.
crankster

Trad climber
Jul 18, 2014 - 07:10pm PT
What a bunch of bs. Total nonsense. Verbal flatulence.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Jul 18, 2014 - 07:15pm PT
'Progressive' is the latest, but most progressives are too uneducated in communist philosophy to realize that they're following, almost to a bullet-point, the words of communists. Usually the younger progressives.
Balderdash

I'm a well educated Progressive and damned well know the difference between my beliefs and Socialism and Marxism, let alone Communism.
Communism and Socialism are not equivalent and never have been.

My Father had been a Fabian Socialist (a real life "card carrying" English one) in his youth and he loathed Communists. He was one of the most decent, intelligent and well educated men you'd ever meet. I know a Socialist when I see one.
The Clintons are Fabian Socialists? Yet you claim you don't like labels.
Please tell us what evil Fabian Socialist beliefs the Clintons have so you can make the label stick.

Gotta love the label "Sophists". As if that were a political orthodoxy.
Obama a semi-Marxist? Good god man, get a grip. Just because he was a "community organizer" for poor blacks in Chicago?
How about Robert Reich, speaking of Clinton fellow travelers? What's your label for him?
Fritz

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
Jul 18, 2014 - 07:24pm PT
Bluering? High Traverse posted this information yesterday, about how your FBI-agent Communist-book author had been too-paranoid even for the 1960's FBI (which was seriously paranoid about Commies) and even the LDS Church.


Jul 18, 2014 - 11:32am PT

Skousen
See bluering top of previous page.

end times prophecy

A book by Skousen on end times prophecy, The Cleansing of America, was published by Valor Publishing Group in 2010, four years after his death

Skousen had been Salt Lake chief of police for several years and then was sacked by the new mayor J. Braken Lee. Skousen supporters claimed it was a political witch hunt but actually most of the people of Salt Lake City were pretty tired of his over the top policing and huge police budget.
In return:

Skousen supporters protested the abrupt firing by disrupting a city council meeting[14] and planting burning crosses on Lee's lawn.
became too whacko for responsible organizations.

He also served as Field Director for the American Security Council, but his increasing paranoia resulted in his abrupt termination in 1962.
Skousen was a former FBI agent. Finally the FBI had enough of his antics:

A 1962 FBI memo described Skousen as affiliating with an "extreme right-wing" group which was promoting "anticommunism for obvious financial purposes".[3] Skousen authored a pamphlet titled The Communist Attack on the John Birch Society, characterizing criticism of the Society as incipient communism.
So Skousen accused the 1962 FBI of being incipient Communists?

In 1970, the LDS Church was under considerable attack for its refusal to ordain blacks into its priesthood. In response, Skousen penned an article entitled "The Communist Attack on the Mormons," in which he accused critics of "distorting the religious tenet of the Church regarding the Negro and blowing it up to ridiculous proportions" and of serving as Communist dupes.
Your hero Skousen firmly believed there was a Communist behind every bush. Even the conservative
By 1979 the Mormon Church had finally had enough of him

Skousen had support among many LDS people in the 1960s and early 1970s. By 1979, that enthusiasm had spilled over into individuals promoting Skousen seminars inside local LDS church buildings and meetings. The First Presidency issued a letter against promoting Skousen in LDS wards and stakes


The Naked Communist is a 1958 book by an ex FBI agent, United States author political theorist Cleon Skousen.

The author posits and seeks to describe a geopolitical strategy by which the Marxist–Leninist Soviet Union was attempting to overcome and control all the governments of the world that were not members of the Communist bloc.
As I've said before, indeed there were Communist spies and "agents" in the US. There still are Russian agents. Just as there were and are US agents in the Soviet Union, Russia and yes, even current Germany.


LOOK OUT BLUEY!!!!
There's a Commie behind you!!!!
and she's got an AK-47!!

all quotations from Wikipedia


Bluering?

The responses from you to a long and very serious post, and very polite posts from High Traverse since then are just more bluster on your part.

Like most "true-believers" you can't even begin to accept any negative feedback about your beliefs.

I'm sorry for your (very) negative life.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 18, 2014 - 07:29pm PT
C'mon, Fred, Socialism has no relation to Communism? Socialism is the first step towards Communism, although it is not a necessary step, as evidenced in Scandanavia. They are making Socialism work, but I wouldn't want to live in a system like that.

It only works in a comfortable manner in a system that ignores other things, which is fine. They usually have no military to speak of, only works effectively in smaller, controlled countries. The have an economy that sustains itself but little else. Incapable of significant foreign trade. Which is all fine if you do it like the Scando's. It can work.

But the United Soviet Socialist Republic, the National Socialists in Germany, Venezuela, and some African countries usually end up having to pervert it into either Communism or some other form of Totalitarianism.

I said the Clintons, and Fabian Socialists, were not as bad. I just don't really like them myself. They just tend to speak from theory too much and not actual realistic problem solving. Academics who have never really worked in the real world.

Ii like people who are forthcoming in a realistic manner. And actually do what they say, and make it work the way they theorized. I like humble people, yet are intellectual. People who are real.

EDIT: Fritz, I do not trust the LDS church. If you read my previous posts, the author has turned out to be right on many fronts.

I'm not being hostile to Fred, I've met him. Nice dude. He's been to a party at my "extravagant" house in my parents' cellar.

Just having a discussion.
Stewart

Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
Jul 18, 2014 - 07:43pm PT
blueringworm: Such a deep thinker... If the engineers you refer to DIDN'T tweak their failures until they got it right, then they would clearly BE insane.

Gee, blueringworm: so the powers that be are on side with your loathsome crap, but they're keeping it secret, eh? So I guess that you can refer us to the reputable source informing you about this historically significant fact. Or perhaps you've endangered the very survival of the United States by letting us "commies" in on the fact that the Feds are onto our galactically complex conspiracy. Right. So when can we check out all of this in the New York Times?

You're still an idiot and arsehole. Oh, yeah - and a liar as well.

By the way, it used to be the called the UNION of Soviet Socialist Republics. Ninny.

Furthermore, blueringworm I've actually struggled through a reading of Mein Kampf. Here's a summary for those with weak stomachs and/or the inability to endure the infantile thoughts of yet another deranged psychopath:

 Ignore any inconvenient facts. Keep repeating the lies until people start to believe that you're actually telling the truth.
 Jew = Slav = Communist.
 Murder anyone who isn't a full-blooded German.

That's about it. He repeated himself a LOT.

For the record, I am unaware of any major politician of the 30's who took the trouble to read this book, or they would have stopped that evil dung beetle flat the first time he steeped out of line. Especially Stalin (see above).
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Jul 18, 2014 - 07:46pm PT
"extravagant" house in my parents' cellar.
actually in your back yard. Odd you never invited me a second time.
;-)
And bluering/Steve is in fact a decent guy.
Just has rather odd political notions. As I'm sure he also thinks of me.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 18, 2014 - 07:49pm PT
Gee, blueringworm: so the powers that be are on side with your loathsome crap, but they're keeping it secret, eh? So I guess that you can refer us to the reputable source informing you about this historically significant fact. Or perhaps you've blown the whole thing by letting us "commies" in on the fact that the Feds are onto our galactically complex conspiracy. Right. So when can we check out all of this in the New York Times?

I already gave you the data you refuse to look at. Go back. The MSM will never cover this because they were in on much it. It makes them money to run porn, sensationalism, etc...

Venona Project, Communist Manifesto. It has been declassified.

Ask YOURSELF why this isn't picked up by the MSM.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 18, 2014 - 07:52pm PT
Fred, I haven't had a similar party since. But maybe we'll do it again, or hit the CRSP stones together. That'd be cool. Discussions are way better in person. But when I climb I'm more focused on the job at hand.
Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
Jul 18, 2014 - 07:58pm PT
when I climb I'm more focused on the job at hand.

Yes you are. How many Heineken are at hand, anyway?
Stewart

Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
Jul 18, 2014 - 08:06pm PT
Blueringworm: What's an MSM?

You haven't posted a single statement by a reputable spokesman since you started this thread. I'm still waiting.

Have you taken the time to look up the word "paranoia" in the dictionary? Your psychiatrist would surely advise you to do so immediately.
jstan

climber
Jul 18, 2014 - 08:07pm PT
Socialism is the first step towards Communism, although it is not a necessary step
BR

Breathing is the first step toward communism and it is necessary.

Well, maybe not.
crankster

Trad climber
Jul 18, 2014 - 08:18pm PT
The CLintons were Fabian Socialists

This may be the funniest sentence ever written. If someone said that to me over dinner I'd spit my wine out, for sure. What silliness.

Someone is doing a bad Newt Gingrich impersonation.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 18, 2014 - 08:21pm PT
Blueringworm: What's an MSM?

Are you new to news media? MSM=Main Stream Media....or ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, CNN.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 18, 2014 - 08:39pm PT
The CLintons were Fabian Socialists


This may be the funniest sentence ever written

Do you realize that this totally negates anything else you'll ever put into context?

Funniest sentence EVER written? Really? And you people call me names? I won't call you an idiot, but you should choose better words and use them in better context.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Jul 18, 2014 - 08:49pm PT
bluering posted
Are you new to news media? MSM=Main Stream Media....or ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, CNN.

Interesting that the most watched network wasn't on that list.
Fritz

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
Jul 18, 2014 - 08:53pm PT
Bluering.

You do have to remember that you are one of our beloved

Village Idiot posteurs,



and

on nights like this,

perhaps,


you like??


being??


an attention whore?

Credit: Fritz

bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 18, 2014 - 09:03pm PT

Interesting that the most watched network wasn't on that list.


I left them out intentionally. They seem to be the only honest players. They are in a different class, not worth of MSM status.

MSM is a badge of dis-honor, not popularity. FOX stands alone.

The Daily Mail out of the UK does good stuff too.
Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started
Jul 18, 2014 - 09:07pm PT
FOX stands alone.

I think you've finally, after all these years, posted something that no one will disagree with.
crankster

Trad climber
Jul 18, 2014 - 09:08pm PT
So now you're channeling Glenn Beck for our benefit.

Oh please, professor bluering, tell me more. Wow, MSM explained! I hadn't hear that before.

And yes, Fox stands alone. Like a far off distant planet.

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