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bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 18, 2014 - 04:26pm PT
Who paid for the land?

Who paid for the seed?

Who paid for the water?

Who paid for the tractor?

who paid for the fertilizer?

Answer those items first.

I did. So, do I get the full benefit of my labor?


If you did everything yourself, you get to decide what to do with the goods. Probably have to pay taxes if you sell it though.
Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
Jul 18, 2014 - 04:41pm PT
Bluering, you ever see the film "Food Inc" ?

Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Canada
Jul 18, 2014 - 04:43pm PT
Back in the Blue S, back in the Blue S, back in the BLUE S.S.R. ! ! !
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 18, 2014 - 05:01pm PT
Bluering, you ever see the film "Food Inc" ?

Nope. But I'm sure it's totally unbiased, right?
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Jul 18, 2014 - 05:06pm PT
Occam's Razor
Doncha know Occam was a Commie?
bluering uses his own razor. Gives him more confidence
(odd how my automatic spelling correction always wants to change bluering into blurring)

So come on now blurring, tell me why you think Cleon Skousen is any more relevant in the 21st century than he was in the late 20th?
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 18, 2014 - 05:14pm PT
In the particular book I mentioned, he appears to have called everything correctly on that particular issue, of communism influencing our country.

And the communists themselves have openly stated similar goals. The Venona Project operated for almost 40 years after the start of WWII. We gathered a lot of intercepts from them. Many of those things were how to influence the US to their advantage.
Stewart

Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
Jul 18, 2014 - 05:53pm PT
blueringworm: How did you like the definition of insanity I located for you? It came from a reputable source, so look it up.

So when are you going to take my advice about alerting the FBI, CIA, etc. about this spectacular conspiracy? Oh yeah - they started laughing so hard when you called that they couldn't hold on the phone long enough to get your name so that they could find out where to send your medal for saving the U.S. from this spectacularly well-organized assault upon your helpless nation.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Jul 18, 2014 - 06:13pm PT
And the communists themselves have openly stated similar goals
So please help me understand.
Who are these Communists? What nationality are they? Which Communist Party do they owe allegiance to? Why is the FBI not alerting us? Is Snowden a Communist? Chelsea Manning?

oh....maybe it's the Russian family that moved in next door a year ago. They are rather odd. They both work in high tech. They must be stealing technical and trade secrets for their Communist Overlords. Send their two little girls to a Russian school instead of our excellent public school. Her mother, his mother and his father from Russia alternately stay at their house to look after the kids. None of the parents speak English. They're always getting parcels in UPS sent from Russia. He put a security camera on our communal gate as soon as they moved in.

oh.....communal gate. THAT's the clue.
Stewart

Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
Jul 18, 2014 - 06:49pm PT
High Traverse - I really don't think that blueringworm is sufficiently in contact with reality to comprehend the concept of reputable sources. Either that, or he truly is an idiot, and maybe we should feel sorry for him.

Nope.

People on both sides of my family fought in a war to clear this planet of Fascists. Some became casualties, so no mercy on this prick or any of his buddies - keep hitting him with facts and hope that at least one sticks long enough to awaken a sense of decency in his sick little mind.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 18, 2014 - 06:50pm PT
blueringworm: How did you like the definition of insanity I located for you? It came from a reputable source, so look it up.

Like Occam's Razor, it is not absolute. If that was the case, many of our current (and past) inventions would have never come to be. Any electrical engineer will tell you that they initially fail to foresee certain things and they have to add revisions (rev's) to their designs. Even initial designs fail, but they persevere and tweak, and find perfection. Sure, they're doing things a bit differently. But there are instances where doing the exact same thing is required to understand what is wrong.

Occam's Razor is the same way. Sometimes it's not the most obvious entity that benefits that is guilty.

You have to look at things as they are and how they come at you. I do failure analysis for a living and sometimes there are situations that don't make sense in a logical manner, non-obvious failures, that are only revealed when everything else that is obvious is removed.

Sometimes you have to boil sh#t down to the un-obvious.



So when are you going to take my advice about alerting the FBI, CIA, etc. about this spectacular conspiracy? Oh yeah - they started laughing so hard when you called that they couldn't hold on the phone long enough to get your name so that they could find out where to send your medal for saving the U.S. from this spectacularly well-organized assault upon your helpless nation.

The authorities are on this, they just don't talk about it. The whole McCarthy thing. They dare not get ridiculed like I do. But they're watching. I guarantee it!

They only difference is I don't really give a f*#k about the ridicule. Not really.

It you want to have an honest discussion, just stop the slander, and I'll talk to you. You, however, seem hell-bent on proving your apparent superiority by calling me names. FYI, that's a sign of weakness. It's projection.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Jul 18, 2014 - 06:52pm PT
Please answer my questions.
I am truly curious about the source of your concerns.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 18, 2014 - 07:07pm PT
So please help me understand.
Who are these Communists? What nationality are they? Which Communist Party do they owe allegiance to? Why is the FBI not alerting us? Is Snowden a Communist? Chelsea Manning?

Damnit, Fred, are you reading ALL of my posts? I laid this out before.

Other than the Communist Party USA (CPUSA), most recognize they have to call themselves something else to get any credence. 'Progressive' is the latest, but most progressives are too uneducated in communist philosophy to realize that they're following, almost to a bullet-point, the words of communists. Usually the younger progressives.

Obama falls into this category, but he knows he's a neo-Marxist as I call them. The Saul Alinsky crowd are pretty much all neo-Marxists.

The CLintons were Fabian Socialists. Not quite as bad, which may explain the rift between the Obamas and the CLintons. Fabian Socialists can also be described as "Sophists". People who speak eloquently, but just to bullshit and confuse you. They sound really intellectual and compassionate, but they are bullshitting you.

The bottom line, as I said before, is that I really don't care about the labels. There are many. I look at what people do and the policies they seek to employ.

Judge a person by the quality of their character, but more importantly, by their actions and the policies they pursue.
crankster

Trad climber
Jul 18, 2014 - 07:10pm PT
What a bunch of bs. Total nonsense. Verbal flatulence.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Jul 18, 2014 - 07:15pm PT
'Progressive' is the latest, but most progressives are too uneducated in communist philosophy to realize that they're following, almost to a bullet-point, the words of communists. Usually the younger progressives.
Balderdash

I'm a well educated Progressive and damned well know the difference between my beliefs and Socialism and Marxism, let alone Communism.
Communism and Socialism are not equivalent and never have been.

My Father had been a Fabian Socialist (a real life "card carrying" English one) in his youth and he loathed Communists. He was one of the most decent, intelligent and well educated men you'd ever meet. I know a Socialist when I see one.
The Clintons are Fabian Socialists? Yet you claim you don't like labels.
Please tell us what evil Fabian Socialist beliefs the Clintons have so you can make the label stick.

Gotta love the label "Sophists". As if that were a political orthodoxy.
Obama a semi-Marxist? Good god man, get a grip. Just because he was a "community organizer" for poor blacks in Chicago?
How about Robert Reich, speaking of Clinton fellow travelers? What's your label for him?
Fritz

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
Jul 18, 2014 - 07:24pm PT
Bluering? High Traverse posted this information yesterday, about how your FBI-agent Communist-book author had been too-paranoid even for the 1960's FBI (which was seriously paranoid about Commies) and even the LDS Church.


Jul 18, 2014 - 11:32am PT

Skousen
See bluering top of previous page.

end times prophecy

A book by Skousen on end times prophecy, The Cleansing of America, was published by Valor Publishing Group in 2010, four years after his death

Skousen had been Salt Lake chief of police for several years and then was sacked by the new mayor J. Braken Lee. Skousen supporters claimed it was a political witch hunt but actually most of the people of Salt Lake City were pretty tired of his over the top policing and huge police budget.
In return:

Skousen supporters protested the abrupt firing by disrupting a city council meeting[14] and planting burning crosses on Lee's lawn.
became too whacko for responsible organizations.

He also served as Field Director for the American Security Council, but his increasing paranoia resulted in his abrupt termination in 1962.
Skousen was a former FBI agent. Finally the FBI had enough of his antics:

A 1962 FBI memo described Skousen as affiliating with an "extreme right-wing" group which was promoting "anticommunism for obvious financial purposes".[3] Skousen authored a pamphlet titled The Communist Attack on the John Birch Society, characterizing criticism of the Society as incipient communism.
So Skousen accused the 1962 FBI of being incipient Communists?

In 1970, the LDS Church was under considerable attack for its refusal to ordain blacks into its priesthood. In response, Skousen penned an article entitled "The Communist Attack on the Mormons," in which he accused critics of "distorting the religious tenet of the Church regarding the Negro and blowing it up to ridiculous proportions" and of serving as Communist dupes.
Your hero Skousen firmly believed there was a Communist behind every bush. Even the conservative
By 1979 the Mormon Church had finally had enough of him

Skousen had support among many LDS people in the 1960s and early 1970s. By 1979, that enthusiasm had spilled over into individuals promoting Skousen seminars inside local LDS church buildings and meetings. The First Presidency issued a letter against promoting Skousen in LDS wards and stakes


The Naked Communist is a 1958 book by an ex FBI agent, United States author political theorist Cleon Skousen.

The author posits and seeks to describe a geopolitical strategy by which the Marxist–Leninist Soviet Union was attempting to overcome and control all the governments of the world that were not members of the Communist bloc.
As I've said before, indeed there were Communist spies and "agents" in the US. There still are Russian agents. Just as there were and are US agents in the Soviet Union, Russia and yes, even current Germany.


LOOK OUT BLUEY!!!!
There's a Commie behind you!!!!
and she's got an AK-47!!

all quotations from Wikipedia


Bluering?

The responses from you to a long and very serious post, and very polite posts from High Traverse since then are just more bluster on your part.

Like most "true-believers" you can't even begin to accept any negative feedback about your beliefs.

I'm sorry for your (very) negative life.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 18, 2014 - 07:29pm PT
C'mon, Fred, Socialism has no relation to Communism? Socialism is the first step towards Communism, although it is not a necessary step, as evidenced in Scandanavia. They are making Socialism work, but I wouldn't want to live in a system like that.

It only works in a comfortable manner in a system that ignores other things, which is fine. They usually have no military to speak of, only works effectively in smaller, controlled countries. The have an economy that sustains itself but little else. Incapable of significant foreign trade. Which is all fine if you do it like the Scando's. It can work.

But the United Soviet Socialist Republic, the National Socialists in Germany, Venezuela, and some African countries usually end up having to pervert it into either Communism or some other form of Totalitarianism.

I said the Clintons, and Fabian Socialists, were not as bad. I just don't really like them myself. They just tend to speak from theory too much and not actual realistic problem solving. Academics who have never really worked in the real world.

Ii like people who are forthcoming in a realistic manner. And actually do what they say, and make it work the way they theorized. I like humble people, yet are intellectual. People who are real.

EDIT: Fritz, I do not trust the LDS church. If you read my previous posts, the author has turned out to be right on many fronts.

I'm not being hostile to Fred, I've met him. Nice dude. He's been to a party at my "extravagant" house in my parents' cellar.

Just having a discussion.
Stewart

Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
Jul 18, 2014 - 07:43pm PT
blueringworm: Such a deep thinker... If the engineers you refer to DIDN'T tweak their failures until they got it right, then they would clearly BE insane.

Gee, blueringworm: so the powers that be are on side with your loathsome crap, but they're keeping it secret, eh? So I guess that you can refer us to the reputable source informing you about this historically significant fact. Or perhaps you've endangered the very survival of the United States by letting us "commies" in on the fact that the Feds are onto our galactically complex conspiracy. Right. So when can we check out all of this in the New York Times?

You're still an idiot and arsehole. Oh, yeah - and a liar as well.

By the way, it used to be the called the UNION of Soviet Socialist Republics. Ninny.

Furthermore, blueringworm I've actually struggled through a reading of Mein Kampf. Here's a summary for those with weak stomachs and/or the inability to endure the infantile thoughts of yet another deranged psychopath:

 Ignore any inconvenient facts. Keep repeating the lies until people start to believe that you're actually telling the truth.
 Jew = Slav = Communist.
 Murder anyone who isn't a full-blooded German.

That's about it. He repeated himself a LOT.

For the record, I am unaware of any major politician of the 30's who took the trouble to read this book, or they would have stopped that evil dung beetle flat the first time he steeped out of line. Especially Stalin (see above).
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Jul 18, 2014 - 07:46pm PT
"extravagant" house in my parents' cellar.
actually in your back yard. Odd you never invited me a second time.
;-)
And bluering/Steve is in fact a decent guy.
Just has rather odd political notions. As I'm sure he also thinks of me.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 18, 2014 - 07:49pm PT
Gee, blueringworm: so the powers that be are on side with your loathsome crap, but they're keeping it secret, eh? So I guess that you can refer us to the reputable source informing you about this historically significant fact. Or perhaps you've blown the whole thing by letting us "commies" in on the fact that the Feds are onto our galactically complex conspiracy. Right. So when can we check out all of this in the New York Times?

I already gave you the data you refuse to look at. Go back. The MSM will never cover this because they were in on much it. It makes them money to run porn, sensationalism, etc...

Venona Project, Communist Manifesto. It has been declassified.

Ask YOURSELF why this isn't picked up by the MSM.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 18, 2014 - 07:52pm PT
Fred, I haven't had a similar party since. But maybe we'll do it again, or hit the CRSP stones together. That'd be cool. Discussions are way better in person. But when I climb I'm more focused on the job at hand.
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