Topic Author's Original Post - Jul 29, 2008 - 12:01pm PT
There was an old thread on this but a lot of pics are missing. So lets start fresh. The stitching software has gotten a lot better in the last couple years and I'm sure I'm not the only one to get the pano-bug. So lets see them.
Friend, if I had to guess it looks like you had your camera set in auto and it was changing exposures slightly between shots as you panned the camera. Try using your camera in manual and set one exposure for the whole set of photos. I use Photoshop CS3 for most all of my panos. The photomerge works good enough for my needs. Also avoid using a polarizing filter when taking these kinds of photographs. The change in the sky as you pan isn't the same all the way across so you'll get unwanted effects in the sky and colors.
hey there all.. .say, after getting to read some more of this... it seems some pics are done by peicing? for panarama?
i remember my first few trips to yosemite... i did that deal where you take your camera and try to take a full long pic of the whole view, etc, of (dont remember where i was doing this from) half dome and all the scenery to each side of it (the whole wide great view):
i then, developed and cut them out and glued them all together, oh my... and now a days, look at all this "photo works" etc... :)
also, i did get a cheap through-a-way camera once and it actually had a panamra view-lens to push and use...
i really like that... it seemed so much was wasted, on the paper-strip of the pic, though, as that was all black and unused, to make the long photo strip----and of course, it was not too big a pic, but i was so very happy to see the full-long-view...
Jerry, thanks for the instructions. Having been through this by trial and error, you boiled it down to a digestable deal.
My son got photoshop elements one year and I loved their basic stitching software. Most of what I ended up stitching however was for real estate and done online.
My close friend David McKay (teacher at Sierra Nevada JC in Nevada City) just published a book on the South Yuba with several pano's that were all hand stitched some were made froma as many as 14 shots, stitching both verticle and horizontal just to get the details. Way too much work for this boy!
Anyway thanks again for sharing your amazing work.
Hell yeah. That's what we're talking about! Awesome. I love that shot of Matthes Crest especially. Great perspective. Keep them coming.
Hi DD. Are we going to see some of your handiwork? You made a great point there. I didn't mention that its a good idea to shoot all your frames as verticals to get more resolution. You really want to be on a tripod for that though, and set it up right. You can get crazy, shooting multiple rows of images and stitching them together, OR, you just do it with a big 6x17cm panorama camera. Those are amazing.
hey there kunlun_shan.. say, thanks for the link.... (say, guys, i just got the download pictures showing up, too)....
say... i am reading the link now, too... (for fine jade).. thanks so very much, a very nice route, i can see now... (edit: of course, my fine jade, in my novels, is a mite higher quality, though, as to how their description notes are set forth) ;)
*also, now, i am seeing all these new pics.. great shot--such neat angles... man, karl, ed, and everyone, great shots... :)
When I was seventeen on my first trip to Josh. I used MS paint. It is pretty terrible quality. Of all my trips and all my photos, this is my favorite, and always will be. Good friends, good places. All I need.
Ok, a serious question: At what point (mm) does a wide-angle lens get to squirrelly for pano-shots? (the outer edge is typically more distorted than towards the center) It seems to me that in digital terms (as 35mm film lenses are different) that it’s around 35-40mm, no?
Jerry: Wow that stuff on the Really Right Stuff website is incredible (and pricey!). I love the idea of the pano clip that rotates on the optical center of the lens.
All of my pano stuff was just for selling homes. It’s essentially how we made virtual tours…so it’s really boring! But high the high-volume work in Real Estate taught me tons about making quick processing decisions in Photoshop and in turn training my assistant to see things and process as I saw it. I have yet to work with scenic panos, so this will be fun. Unfortunately, my version of Photoshop (7something) doesn’t include stitching, but I look forward to playing with some of the online stuff.
Karl…your Whitney and Iceberg lake shot is incredible. 15 shots??? Judging from the overall crop of the picture, shouldn’t it be an even #, like 2 rows of 7?
Euroford: You’re night shot improved quite a bit. I used to shoot a lot of night stuff. The cool thing about digital is that you can learn quickly compared to film as you can see the results asap. Two things I’ve learned about shooting at night in digital: 1. Always work in both manual focus, aperture and f/stop modes and if you want stars out of your bright lights use at least f/18. 2. Turn off the Auto ISO and work in a fine mode with longer exposures.
thanks for the pointer on the f/stops for stars! i think i shot at like f/28 as i wanted craptons of DOF. obviously, that night was far too misty for any stars, but even over this monster of a city i think i could be able to get a couple. otherwise, i had your advise pretty well nailed!
actually, the 2nd pano was shot BEFORE the first one. most of the learning issues there were stiching software related.
last saturday would have been a -good- clear night to try again, but i was a bore, and went to bed early instead......
Also, I didn't want to be a blatant spammer on these forums of such high class.. so I'm just adding this here:
We are running a little contest over at ClimbClips.com this month. The person who uploads the most videos for this month, September 2008, will win a free brand new Black Diamond Quicksilver quickdraw. There's just a couple basic rules, see the main page of http://www.climbclips.com for details. Have fun and good luck!
No kidding Munge. That ridge goes from Buford CO all the way back to Trapper's Lake in the Flat Tops Wilderness. There is beautiful long multi-pitch ice climbing back in the area, you need a sno-mo or go in on skis for a few days. Tons of long Alpine rock routes too. Endless lines. Untouched area because it is deep in the Wilderness.
Some great shots here y'all!
I wish I could see all of the photos.
How come I don't see the horizontal scroll slider
at the bottom of the page like I did on the old forum?
I can't even access the previous/next/last options.
The horizontal slider on the bottom should be there, its part of your browser. The next / last buttons are on the far right because of the length we made all the photo's. You have to scroll to the right to find it.
Making pano shots is easier then it seems! Just take a bunch of pictures in a row however you want to stitch them together and take them to the proper program. When I take the pictures I like to include about a third or so what would have been in the previous picture into the next picture. This does cause its own difficulties but it helps me. Now there is a lot more of an art to it to get a "good" pano. But to start thats about all there is to it!
For PS CS4, the stitching appears to be done under Edit -> Auto-Align Layers and then going from there.
# Choose Edit > Auto-Align Layers, and choose an alignment option. For stitching together multiple images that share overlapping areas—for example, to create a panorama—use the Auto, Perspective, or Cylindrical options. To align scanned images with offset content, use the Reposition Only option.
Photoshop analyzes the source images and applies either a Perspective or Cylindrical layout, depending on which produces a better composite.
After auto-aligning, you can use Edit > Free Transform to fine tune the alignment or make tonal adjustments to even out exposure differences between layers, then combine the layers into one composite image.
For a video on aligning layers by content, see www.adobe.com/go/vid0014.
For a video on using Auto-Align and Auto-Blend to create a panorama and increase depth of field, see www.adobe.com/go/lrvid4120_ps.
From Liberia last spring. You can buy just about anything you need to survive in country here. Clothes, shoes, drugs, blood diamonds, diapers. And hey, if you're done with it, just chuck it into the trash heap right by where you bought your food.
As far as Liberia, I'm not sure if this makes sense, but you kind of need a reason to want to go. Here is why I went
When we were there we were eating so much Jalla Rice and potato greens I was feeling mighty bloated. So we went for runs every day and kept seeing these smallish dogs all over. When you're in a place like Liberia you really don't want to get bit by a dog so you really notice them. One day we decided to vary our route and run along the beach. First thing I notice is some GIANT dog crap that I almost stepped in. Then I see another and another and my friend and I start looking for the big dogs. Then we looked up the beach and saw it was completely full of big 'ol Man Sized Turds. Then we realized that the beach was full of fully-grown men squatting in the sand taking their morning constitutional. Not cool.
After our run I was getting ready to get in the shower and realized there was this funky smell in my room. Sure enough, there was Man Crap on my shoes and I had to go out and pound it off them in the dirt. Uncool.
But you need to know there is amazing surfing in Liberia. We went half an hour out of town to these beaches that were basically uninhabited. No one near the water and great waves with really warm water. had the place to ourselves. And we didn't even go to the best surfing beaches on the north end of town.
A friend of mine went back a week or two ago to assess our program and see how it was working. They found the teams in Sierra Leon had trained another 4 teams and there were plans to make the wheelchair program national. The Monrivia Rehab Center was also doing well and one of the staff who had excellent potential had gone to Kenya to get an equivalent of a PT degree so he could go back home and do even more.
Anyway, there is much more to tell if you were really interested. Unique place yet very familiar to the Georgia boy who grew up as the white kid on the basketball bus.
I gotta scan my slides from when my main man was the caretaker for the Independence Mine. Shoulda been there for the Christmas Eve ski jumping contest off the mill house roof! Amazing that nobody got hurt. God looks after idiots and drunks.
On the idea of a worldwide pano, the California Coastal Records Project is basically one big pano of the whole California coast. It would benefit from a much better UI, though (like those xrez photos).
pate, that "cambridge beach" you refer to is a very secluded beach in annisquam, ma - correct? i was back there every summer as a kid. what's your connection to that area? and nice photo as well! david
pate, so you took that photo from below the brynmere porch? ditto on having grandparents in the cemetary, my grandmother's house was at the head of the cove right below the church. we were back there every summer while my dad was off on climbing trips. my mom knows your relatives. can't remember the last name, but she introduced me to them. small world on that one, david
There is a new Pano iPhone app out- it has more bells and whistles than the AutoSticth app- it allows for more frames to be added and also does portrait mode. I just bought it, I'll post up a pano tomorrow from it.
As to the person who has 'issues' with Jerry and his photography
in the holiday spirit I will just say he has no photographic taste and he must have skipped his meds.
So this is just an experiment. I made it tough by shooting into the sun with lots of deep shadows at the bottom.
Shot 10 frames with 3-4 exposures of each shot to cover dynamic range. Two rows of 5 each with a 50 mm (75 mm full frame equivalent)
Made 1 HDR with Photomatix Pro of each of the 10
Merged the 10 shots with Autopano Pro and PTGui. The AutoPano is very slick but it took an hour to render! PTGui took maybe 5 minutes - max.
Took the resulting PTGui 600 MB TIFF into Photoshop and did some minor doctoring with curves and saturation.
I re-did the AutoPano using only 8bit TIFF's and saving as a JPG so it only took about 10 minutes with a 2GB DualCore with 4GB of RAM. The AutoPano is nicer to use than PTGui as you can do color correction with it.
It's not exactly a panorama, but not really enough for another thread. Winter sunrise on Mount Waddington. A photo my sister recently took, en route to Whitehorse. Not so good, in that it was taken through an airplane window, but still OK.
Hey. You guys slipped a few in when I wasn't looking! Nice work.
Here's one from today. I went for a nice hike on Mt. St. Helena, thinking I was in a window between storms. Wrong. It started dumping on me, barely snowing, big floaty wet flakes. The brush was covered in slush and soon water was running through my underwear down into my boots. I wondered how hypothermic I might get but blocked that out, blasted the ipod, and ran down the mountain.
hey there all... say, now that i can do this... i will take some of lake mich, at least for you all... (no mountains:( ...)
say, jerry, those are great shots... i loved seeing death valley, my family, when i had kids, well, we all drove through there and i loved the scenery...
now, also the real thing i wanted to say first was this:
loved that st helens hike, that you posted... really wonderful, you can near feel the mountains around you...
then, oh, the waterfall... did not see remember the poster's name, please forgive... but---i loved that waterfall picture, say, apparently my photo camera and editor, WILL do those too... will see what i can do, now...
I was trying to get some work done today but instead find myself salivating all over the keyboard over this thread. "Panorama" has the ring of something special even extra real, but upon reflection, I feel these pics are more akin to what the brain and eyes actually take in when in the place(s). So, it's regular old pics which now seem "unreal."
I suppose the question is how can stitching happen without stitching, right from a single shot itself? A wide angle lens certainly does not do the trick, but one could imagine some kind of camera internal software going to work on a wide angle image to do the job, or is there such a thing already? As I say, I was trying to work instead of wondering what the heck.
The majority of these are done with photo stitching software of one type or another. I know that Prez and I, and I'm assuming Jerry and most of the others are using the Photomerge tool in Adobe Photoshop. That's a pretty powerful tool. Jerry posted some links in here to some cool custom pano gear, mostly tripod related.
I take all of mine by hand, and use my camera set on manual so I can get an even set of exposures and reduce differences in the lighting between images, especially the sky. I use a pretty standard set of lenses, the only one in my bag I don't ever use is my wide angle fish eye or because it distorts the edges of the image.
Prez is really good at the vertical and overhead images. I haven't quite figured those out. For those I take my series of images and rotate them on their sides, then stitch them, then rotate the finished image back.
The panos in here that are very small looking are a lot of images together, the actual image in reality is like 10 feet long if printed at 100% size. The web site shrinks them down tiny, the pics of mine of the creek are like 9 images together. The bigger images on the web site are around 3/4/5 images together.
Jerry and Prez are the real professionals, probably some others, I'm just a devoted amateur, but that's my take on them.
Right on Mssr Potay! That's what I'm talkin' about!
I use CS4, PTGui, and AutoPano Pro though I am still not committed to the latter two although serious panoists seem to like them better than Photoshop. I've also done a few incorporating Photomatix HDR which can really 'juice things up'! It is a lot of work doing the HDR as you're dealing with 5 times as many frames (or more)!
Hey Reilly, its pretty much like Pate said except I actually use AutoPano Pro more then I use photoshop. Its great being able to pull in as many pano's as I want into the program and have them all lined up so one will finish right after the other. Great program!
Jerry: during the 30 sec for each of the 7 vertical shots the water is in motion as waves crash against the beach...so I'm surprised you were able to generate a seamless merge of 7 photos with that much movement.
Tradster: I was out on a precarious rock for about an hour trying to get that shot and it didn't work until it was really dark, and fortunately I had a period of several minutes where the waves were nice and big, so worked quick to get the shots. By a stroke of luck the lighthouse keeper turned on all the lights which really makes it work. I had a 2 stop soft edge grad ND on the sky, and shot it with my D3 and 24mm t/s lens. I dropped the grad filter in the ocean just after this. DAMN!
Longs Peak. Only two photos stitched together. Taken near the top of the camel gully after bailing due to heavy fog. The mountain revealed itself for about 5mins before the clouds descended again.
Note some intrepid souls working their way up lamb's slide
Taken from Avalanche Pass (10,064') in Kings Canyon NP looking south
towards the Great Western Divide. For the geeks it is a 5 shot vertical pano 'photomerged' in Photoshop CS4 with a little
'doctoring' in Nikon Capture NX2. The highest peak just left of center is Triple Divide Pk - 12,634'
Just discovered yesterday that my point and shoot can auto stitch a set of 3 photos for a panorama effect. This was at an arborist competition. Not really a panorama shot so much as a neat little trick.
hey there all... say, here is a last one from fall... all leaves are near gone now... these, are all gone, though...
were sasafras leaves...
next, a golfcourse, of all things... :)
thanks for all the greatoutdoors, shares...
hope i can catch a few "good stuffs" come winter, for to share...
*say, the pics for you all have not all downloaded, but i know they are wonderful, but i just saw pate's "neighborhood" shot unfold:
neat shot, pate... i can remember driving on road trips that looked that cold, but yet, were not... wonderful snow feeling, for sure... my house is cold enough, i can feel winter, and see if now, too... :))
thanks for the share... we will get ours soon, as to the winter mountain-toppers... though, i reckon we do NOT have many mountains here, just some hilly areas, unless folks get up into the UP across the bridge?
prezwoodz, wow, your arch shot is unfolding now... great stuff...
well, gotta run... :)
This is a really cool thread, with some neat photos! Nice work!
Here are a couple stitch attempts that I recently put together…
From Johnson Peak (left) to Evelyn Lake (right), Tuolumne high country, October 2009
360+ view from Mt. Conness to Mt. Conness, taken from the summit of Cathedral Peak, Tuolumne high country, October 2009. It’s tough to see details in the landscape at a width of 1024 pixels, but at full resolution, this image is almost 7.5 feet wide.
Anyone know what’s the best way to go about having a panorama printed at full size? Does Kinko’s do quality printing of stuff like this or is it better to go with a camera/photo store?
Probably best to use a photo service. Your images are really long but not tall. Those are like a 5-1 or 8-1 ratio. Presentation could be tricky. It might be a good idea to print on canvas and have them framed over stretcher bars so you don't have to deal with glass or frames. If you are near the valley you can use West Coast Imaging in Oakhurst. http://www.westcoastimaging.com/
Thanks, Jerry! A canvas print would probably be pretty cool, but that image isn’t worth anywhere close to $564!! (30x90) Kinko’s has done some inexpensive yet decent posters for me in the past but a real print might be the better way to go. I’m just looking for something that I can throw on the wall with thumb tacks that doesn’t look like junk. Thanks for the link – I’ll keep WCI in mind, and maybe for a standard gloss print. The local lab here in Reno says they will print only up to 60” wide and I haven’t been very happy with their 8x12 prints from 35mm color slides in the past. Please check your email.
a whole string of panos on a thread I made recently. I use a FREE stitch program called Hugin. email me for directions if you need tips. 1st tip is rotate the camera on a single axis for each pic, and overlap 50% when you take each pic. http://www.thebackcountry.net/bb/viewtopic.php?t=1837
view looking west from Black Giant Summit - Sierra
sorry for lame plug of my business. I should have saved these panos without that also.
From the summit of Crater Crest, looking north at Big Slide Canyon
Ending a 4 day tour above the Onion Valley Trailhead May 2011
First base camp, where we came across the Slovenians who climbed the peak we'd gone there to climb as we were hauling to the new base camp. Pretty annoying but it sounded like death on a stick anyway. Jerry Dodrill should be familiar with it, Grand Poohbah or Pik Byeliy
Aytali valley, the background is the land the Chinese annexed some time in 2005, probably for the oil
walking in to the new base camp
Summit of Pik Eggmenduluk 5234m, 14h up and as many down giving us the route name "28 hours later"