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Doug Buchanan
Mountain climber
Fairbanks Alaska
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Jul 15, 2008 - 04:57pm PT
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JohnBoy and admirable colleagues.....
The intellectually primitive status of humans, especially climbers and government folks, is predicated on their trained reaction AGAINST any offer of useful new knowledge.
They prefer to hear what they already know, short sound bytes of old knowledge. What they already know is comfortable to their minds, by design. What they do not know requires THINKING, which angers ignorant lazy people.
Because people who offer climbers useful knowledge are denigrated about 30 to 1, they soon stop offering it, much to the amusement of the observers.
That process is why wars still rage, climbing restrictions still hassle climbers, and you will be paying much more for gasoline.
The American Alpine Club, Access Fund and government dolts have discovered that ignorant climbers will keep on sending money for short sound byte illusions of no value to climbers. Knowledge is the death of power, so power-based organization will not touch it.
It is easy to simply ignore these long comments. Ignorance is always initially easier, by design.
JohnBoy.... you ask why I do not "give valid, clear answers to the questions being asked".
To the extent of my available time I accurately answer every question I ever encounter, and vastly more that I ask, which is how the human mind learns new knowledge. I can verify every answer against all subsequent questions. I have only encountered about 3 so far on SuperTopo, that I did not ask. I accurately answered each.
What are your questions?
Wisely answer your own questions until you reach one of substance, for what you will therefore learn.
If an answer requires many words, to be a useful answer, such as how airplanes fly or how to eliminate illogical climbing regulations, and you will accept only a few words, you will be left ignorant.
You cannot get something for nothing, or more for less, by design.
If knowledge comes with words you consider to be an insult, that is an inconsequential cost of the knowledge. A wise person cannot possibly be insulted or offended.
If you describe a malicious Park Service idiot as a good and intelligent fellow climber, your mind will not recognize a good and intelligent fellow climber when you encounter one, by design. You train your mind by the words you use. That is why Bush's mind knows no option but to try to kill his way to national success, over thousands of dead bodies whose friends and relatives will retaliate and ultimately destroy the US, by imperative.
The equally mental midget Forest Service and Park Service thugs have discovered that climbers are so laughably ignorant and gullible that when they ask to see the regulations that restrict them, the government dolts can give them just any piece of paper with any regulation-sounding words, and keep on citing and fining climbers who just keep on paying the fines and complaining about the regulations not being related to the citations.
The National Park Service Pigs have formally sent the Alaskan Alpine Club automobile and hotel regulations for what were supposed to be climbing regulations, to justify harassing climbers, much to my amusement with what the pitiable Park Service dolts were teaching me about their intellectual void. They fool only fools, inherently first themselves.
The US government land managers have discovered that in a society of ignorant, cowed people, no law binds the government thugs, and their raw force prevails, as in every tyranny. Saddam was a classic example.
However, the government pigs are beset with a human mind which is highly vulnerable to its design.
Easily learn that design. With that knowledge, all the climbing regulations are easily eliminated.
You will learn nothing with statements. Start asking questions, primarily of YOURSELF, the named leaders of the American Alpine Club, Access Fund and the government dolts. Question the answers to learn how their minds created their obviously contradicted answers.
Or let me know when any significant organization of climbers would like the Alaskan Alpine Club to convey the process to eliminate climbing regulations. The Access Fund brags about having spent several million dollars from climbers, to produce what climbers still complain about, the ongoing climbing restrictions. The American Alpine Club has spent more. The local climbing "access" organizations have in sum spent more. When will the gullible American climbers figure out that they are still being taken to the metaphorical cleaners?
Until then, enjoy the comedy of those who perceive that those offering the knowledge are the comedy.
DougBuchanan.com
AlaskanAlpineClub.org
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looking sketchy there...
Social climber
Latitute 33
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Jul 15, 2008 - 05:51pm PT
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Every few years, a misguided ranger (sometimes "self misguided") decides that climbing or bolting is illegal. When questioned, they invariably get out the CFR and try to find some reason why what you are doing is illegal. The section cited is not applicable at all.
Please email with the contact info of the people with whom you have been in communication so they can be straightened out.
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Russ Walling
Social climber
Out on the sand.... man.....
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Jul 15, 2008 - 05:55pm PT
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Go get 'em Randy! Randy saved me from a 16 year to life sentence in Bishop once..... He is the MAN!
(ok.... not 16 years, but I was in some trouble with the law... and he filleted them)
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couchmaster
climber
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Jul 15, 2008 - 06:24pm PT
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These f*#kers need to be tossed out on their asses - they are suppose to be working FOR us, not AGAINST us. We pay them, not the other way around. King George the 3rd was tossed out hundreds of years ago, we don't need replacement kings doing it to us all unlubricated like this.
Instead, what they do is try to criminalize normal activities so that they can control. Thats what they want, CONTROL. Don't give in to the pricks.
1 in 100 Americans is in jail right now, and new laws, many bogus ones like this bullsh#t, are being passed daily. Stop the craziness where ya can boyz!
Live free or die.
ps, Randy had a better response than I did.
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QUOTE: "Please do not make a big issue out of this just because one misinformed Forest Service Employee stated something untrue. And don't start calling/writing and creating a problem where none exists.
In the future, kindly tell the ranger they are misinformed and to talk to a supervisor before writing a ticket for a legal activity. Please get a name of this ranger so we can bring this to the attention of higher ups. If you actually are ticketed, I'd like to know and would be happy to discuss it/advise and assist you.
RVogel"
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johnboy
Trad climber
Can't get here from there
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Jul 15, 2008 - 06:54pm PT
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Doug, sounds like your incapable of understanding humans and only want to apply your interpretations of words that fit neatly into your ear. Banter is a two way street.
You want to apply meanings to the law your way or the highway. Who's the tyrant?
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Dr. Rock
Ice climber
Castle Rock
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Jul 16, 2008 - 12:12am PT
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Let's torch it.
What say?
Every climber out by Thursday, spread the word.
Funny, I didn't hear any thunderstorm, did you?
Must have been that new "dry lightin", eh?
Would you want to work inside a three day old Weber?
Get me?
Now you know why no self potraits on rock, eh?
This post will probably go into a "file" somewhere.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Jul 16, 2008 - 03:07am PT
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Pistol Pete wrote
"Folks,
I received a fax from the San Gabriel River Station. I would be happy to provide it to anyone who would like it.
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"Pursuant to Title 36 of Federal Regulations, Section 261.50(b) the following acts are prohibited within any National Forest within the Pacific Southwest region:
Being on the road in possession of any equipment designed for, used for, or intended to be used for the suspension, jumping, or retrieval of any person or object from any road, bridge, or appurtenance thereof. 36 CFR 261.54(e)
Equipment associated with the prohibited activity includes but is not limited to: bungee, rubber, nylon shock, or otherwise elasticized cords, ropes, straps, webbing, harnesses, snatch pulley blocks, tackle, chains, carabiners, ascent or descent control devices, ankle or body braces capable of being readily attached to any suspension device and /or any vehicle, winch, or animal.
Any Federal, State, or local officer, or member of an organized rescue or fire-fighting force in the performance of an official duty is specifically exmepted from this order.
Done at San Francisco, California, This 28th day of June, 1991.
Violation of this prohibition is punishable by a fine of not more than $5,000.00 or imprisonment for not more than six months, or both (16 USC 551, 18 USC 3559 and 3571.
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This is the reason I was told climbing is not legal. I think it's a bit of a stretch. "
I'd like to agree with Randy but what I've seen is this: base jumping has been successfully tooled in Yosemite using "illegal air delivery" as the legal justification.
If they can construe base jumping as "air delivery" they can twist climbing under the prohibition for bunjee jumping gear and even use Dan Osman's stunts and the mechanics of climbing falls to justify it (if they want)
Of course Doug B has the special knowledge to beat a rap like that but the rest of you are going down.
That is, unless this problem is clarified, hopefully by the access fund.
peace
Karl
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Doug Buchanan
Mountain climber
Fairbanks Alaska
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Jul 16, 2008 - 05:59am PT
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JohnBoy silly friend and his ilk....
Your suggested interpretations of the words, are what I described as the dictionary definitions of the words.
In prevailing law, "the import of the word is everything". Otherwise stated, the dictionary definitions of the words prevail.
Ignorant people incessantly allude to "the interpretations" which are never defined.
Commonly intelligent (common sense) people reference the dictionary definitions of the words. Their written definitions make then useful for language and conveying useful concepts.
The void of accountable or defined "interpretations" make them a fool's illusion, the forte' of government idiots and their unquestioning minions.
Therefore, the dictionary is what you perceive as the tyrant.
Go ahead, attempt to defy the tyrant as do the idiot government dolts and their groveling minions who cannot form sentences that do not contradict the dictionary definitions of their words.
You have already failed. Your mind cannot devise a new dictionary whose words mean the opposite of the existing dictionary.
Is it unlawful to carry out an unlawful order? Well?
Is it unlawful to impose an inferior law above a superior law? Well?
The US Supreme Court and every literate person, not power-damaged minds, have already answered those questions as law.
Why will your mind, and the minds of the Park Service thugs, preclude you from answering those easy questions on public record with your name?
Well?
Notice the inherently existent questions following those, that formally destroy the climbing regulations, on record for court evidence.
To understand the humans, you need only learn the design of the human mind, an easily learned arena of knowledge, easier than learning computer programming. There is only one basic design of human minds. There is only one concept that effects a contradiction inducing process within it.
That is the knowledge I learned, not by any institutionally titled or credentialed process, but by simply asking and answering a lot of questions, to resolve every contradiction. Institutions cannot teach such knowledge, and exist. You can learn the same knowledge. Simply start asking and answering questions of obvious contradictions, rather than making the ludicrously meaningless statements you made.
And do not stop until you reach the laughably easy process to immediately eliminate all climbing regulations, regardless of opposition. Vastly more is beyond that.
Karl.... It is not very "special" knowledge. Anyone can easily learn it.
It is just knowledge, learned the same way all knowledge is learned, by asking and answering questions. It takes less time than that required to understand this thread.
I answer every question I encounter, in writing whenever possible. I have answered each of the scant few questions I have encountered on SuperTopo. That is how the human mind learns knowledge.
Not one SuperTopo contributor has answered any of the questions I have asked on SuperTopo.
Ignorant people are those who do not answer questions they encounter, by design of the human mind.
You were asked to ask your questions. You presented none. You are that ignorant.
I would ask you how that defines you and most other SuperTopo contributors (a question), but your demonstrated inability to answer questions has already identified how you became so comparatively ignorant in competition to those who answer questions to learn from their mind's thinking required to answer questions.
There is no "rap" to "beat". Use words that hold their meanings. State your desire to obey the law, then ask that the law be revealed, so that you can conform your actions to the written words of the law.
Ask for the prevailing law, not the inferior laws. And ask with the format that leaves the government idiots with no choice but to reveal the prevailing law or immediately quit their job, or face their own mind and their offspring when you then invoke their inferior laws against them. The Supreme Court has ruled with the words: "What is good for the gander is good for the goose."
The goal is not to clarify the problem. Problems can be clarified forever. The goal is to SOLVE the problem, easily done.
The idiot Access Fund leaders were offered the knowledge, but fear it for the same reason the Park Service thugs fear it. The knowledge solves the problem, leaving the Access Fund and Park Service mountaineering thugs without lucrative jobs fooling fools. Those institution leaders would therefore be more valuable for better jobs, but they are so categorically stupid that they cannot comprehend human existence beyond their current mental midget jobs.
The Nazi Gestapo would have each not otherwise killed their second German Gypsy or Jew.
The entire lives of ignorant people, such as Park Service dolts, can be purchased for a rhetorical illusion destroyed by a single question that the mental midget Park Service chaps refuse to answer. Their lives are therefore worthless to humans, a species predicated on thinking.
And this evening's Tuesday night duplicate BBQnight.com among local Alaska climbers discussed concepts starting at the Black Rapids Glacier, traversing through the molecular structure of minerals and gems on virgin routes, and concluded off route on a Pliades planet, albeit as usual.
Crack the humidor. The smoke from fine maduros can cure a modicum of global warming. We need only make it survivable, for what we will therefore learn.
Doug
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Jul 16, 2008 - 10:34am PT
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Hello.
This letter may come to you as a surprise due to the fact that we have not yet met. I have to say that I have no intentions of causing you any pains so i decided to contact you through this medium.
As you read this, I don't want you to feel sorry for me, because, I believe everyone will die someday. My name is Khalid Yussuf, a merchant in Dubai, in the U.A.E. I have been diagnosed with prostate and esophageal Cancer that was discovered very late due to my laxity in caring for my health. It has defiled all form of medicine and right now, I have only about a few months to live according to medical experts.
I have not particularly lived my life so well, as I never really cared for anyone not even myself but my business. Though I am very rich, I was never generous, I was always hostile to people and only focus on my business as that was the only thing I cared for. But now I regret all this as I now know that there is more to life than just wanting to have or make all the money in the world. I believe if i have a second chance to come to this world I would live my life a different way from how I have lived it. Now that I know my time is near, I have willed and given most of my properties and assets to my immediate and extended family members and as well as a few close friends and Schools in the UAE. I have decided to give alms to charity organizations, as I want this to be one of the last good deeds I do on earth. So far, I have distributed money to some charity organizations in the U.A.E, England and Ireland. Now that my health has deteriorated so badly, I cannot do this my self any more. I once asked members of my family to close one of my accounts and donate the money, which I have there to charity organization in Bulgaria, they refused and kept the money to themselves. Hence, I do not trust them anymore, as they seem not to be contended with what I have left for them. The last of my money which is the huge cash that I deposit in a bank in England Uk.
I want you to help me collect this deposit and dispatched it to charity organizations and let them know that it is I Khalid Yussuf that is making this generous donation.
I am writing this from my laptop computer in my hospital bed in England where I wait for my time to come. If you are interested to help me i will give you more information about this like the amount that i deposited in the bank and Contact of the bank so you can contact them. I will also send you pictures of my self when in the hospital.
Note that you will take 20% out of the funds and give 80% to the charity organizations. I pray that God uses you to support and assist me with good heart God be with you.
If you can help respond back to me on my private email:
khalidyuss22@strompost.com
Khalid Yussuf
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Jul 16, 2008 - 11:55am PT
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Doug wrote about how easy his knowledge is, and yet complained that no supertopo contributer has got any of it.
Doug, each and every one of us is a little or a lot whacked in our own way in this world. Your looniness is just evident because it's not in line with our collective social foolishness. Problem is, yours is so full of ego and arrogance that it leaves less room for compassion.
Give us a new improved version of your madness that includes more unique insights (which I'm sure you have) and quit baiting a line that nobody is biting. Define words that hold their meanings and your concepts. Type up you manifesto as clearly as you can without holding out with teasers like an infomercial selling a seminar.
or break on through, outside the box you've thought yourself into. It's safe outside.
Peace
Karl
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johnboy
Trad climber
Can't get here from there
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Jul 16, 2008 - 02:40pm PT
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Hey Doug, no worries.
I was just tickling your soft under belly and laughing with you.
LOL
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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Jul 16, 2008 - 03:23pm PT
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If you want to understand Doug, you need to drink his secret beverage.
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Doug Buchanan
Mountain climber
Fairbanks Alaska
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Jul 16, 2008 - 03:26pm PT
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JohnBoy.....
When I become the OFFICIAL Tyrant, I will therefore grant you Yosemite after a 1 year apprenticeship under Jody's evil twin, current Emperor of Ymite. We will show those climbers how real Emperors rule. Our thugs will carry reasoning-based questions, not guns, for the climbers to ask our thugs. No greater grief can be imposed upon an errant mind.
Karl.....
I have no ego. No human is smarter than any other human. We have the same brain design. We just learn different things, none of them greater or lesser than the other. Nor is any physical skill greater or lesser than another. They are just body-brain movements.
The humans were invented as nothing more than entertainment devices, verifiable.
I have no titles or credentials that do not detract from what I am without them, nothing more than 6.67 Billion others.
So how does a mind perceive that another person is full of ego and arrogance, when he is not?
Tell me which words to change to cause you to perceive that I am what you want. Therefore notice that your perception was created in your brain, not by what I am.
The stinking park pigs are superficially nice guys compared to what we Army thugs did in Vietnam and every war, but the humans do those things for the same single reason, a "triggered" or trained process in the mind.
You can learn that process to promptly solve any particular problem (contradiction) or all of them, regardless of opposition.
It is just knowledge, extremely useful knowledge. It can be used to promptly eliminate all climbing regulations, and end all wars, regardless of opposition.
I cannot hand it to you because knowledge is formed in your mind by your mind asking and answering questions.
You actually have to ask and answer them. I have asked many questions on SuperTopo. They are identified by question marks (?). If you wish, simply answer them, writing your answers, and your knowledge will noticeably advance.
Tell me what else I need to say, to achieve a goal of your preference, and I will say it to the extent of my available time for that goal.
DougBuchanan.com
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Jul 16, 2008 - 04:12pm PT
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Hi Doug
Thanks for your reply. I have become wary of engaging in long back and forth typing sessions on supertopo. It struck me that you liberal use of words, even on this page, like idiot, ignorant, fool, dolt and so on showed that you were taking a superior attitude.
You say this knowledge is easily obtained but obviously that is not true as demonstrated by none of us having it.
I did ask
How do you define a word that holds its meaning?
What are the questions we should be asking to have a real effect?
Guess what. Once you list those questions, we'll ask you for the answers, so why not spell it out. Otherwise you're like a flirting sorority girl who hints at sexiness but never engages in it.
Peace
karl
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Doug Buchanan
Mountain climber
Fairbanks Alaska
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Jul 16, 2008 - 06:54pm PT
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Karl.....
To your question: "How do you define a word that holds its meaning?"
As I have often stated, by the common dictionary.
To your question: "What are the questions we should be asking to have a real effect?"
Start with the questions I have asked in the SuperTopo threads. Question your answers.
That will keep you busy awhile, buy you will learn fast. Let me know if you cannot identify an answer, but the questions are written so the answer is readily identifiable with the slightest thinking.
The extent of my time for SuperTopo is running out today.
Doug
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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Jul 16, 2008 - 07:13pm PT
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"Otherwise you're like a flirting sorority girl who hints at sexiness but never engages in it."
I saw the pic of Doug in Alpinist Mag and NO ONE can confuse Doug with a sorority girl.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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Jul 16, 2008 - 07:19pm PT
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Does this make any less sense?
No greater or lesser the humans do those things formed in your answers, and every war, but them greater or lesser the OFFICIAL Tyrant, I will therefore noticeably advance.
So how real Emperor of Ymite. We just knowledge will say it to you want. Therefore grant mind.
When I become the same brain design. We will carry reasoning-based questions, and answers, and answer that process in the same single reason, a "triggered" or trained process in the human is for the climbers how real Emperors rule.
Doug, courtesy of the http://thinkzone.wlonk.com/Gibber/GibGen.htm
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Jul 16, 2008 - 09:29pm PT
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We're all lunatics, and people who are off-center often see things because they are outside of the boxes we live in.
Climbers have always lived among and accept various forms of misfits and characters. I think its good for everybody.
It's just another form of "Loising Point" communication.
PEace
Karl
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johnboy
Trad climber
Can't get here from there
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Jul 16, 2008 - 09:52pm PT
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"Loising Point"
To funny Karl
I year under Jody's evil twin?
Just shoot me.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Jul 16, 2008 - 10:01pm PT
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Lois is to ST what Margaret Dumont was to Groucho.
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