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Lynne Leichtfuss

Social climber
valley center, ca
Topic Author's Original Post - Jul 10, 2008 - 01:36am PT
Bought cot for Facelift. Took me and two horse wrangler gals to put the dang thing together. Returned to store.

Now freaking out cause I need a tent, cot, lantern, stove et al that I can put together and operate ON MY OWN. I am not good at putting things together or reading the instructions included cause they are all written by left handed men. HELP< PLEASE

Used to have all the above, but no longer in garage....kids?

KNOTT joking...need equipment info pronto or the bear #46 will have his way with me. Send help soon, Lynners

L. please note, no capital letters in the Thread topic. Darn, it was hard!



bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
Jul 10, 2008 - 01:39am PT
use a sleeping bag and pad if necessary, no cot required.
Mighty Hiker

Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Jul 10, 2008 - 01:50am PT
No need to fret.

As long as you have more or less the necessary equipment and supplies, you should be ok. You will be camping with dozens of helpful people who between them probably have several thousand person-years of camping experience, and who could probably construct a comfortable camp for you with their bare hands and odds and ends found during the FaceLift. They also really like putting things together and fooling around with gear - why do you think they're climbers? And they will have with them huge quantities of surplus equipment of most every description, to fill any remaining gaps.

It is possible to buy most camping necessities in the Valley, but not necessarily advisable.

A car has 20 times the capacity any backpack ever will, so if in doubt, you know what to do.

Perhaps some able SuperTopoan lives near to you, and can make a field trip to help you with these things.

ps A one-person cot should do, two at a pinch. I didn't know they made three-person cots. :-)
John Moosie

climber
Beautiful California
Jul 10, 2008 - 02:01am PT
Sorry, I can't help. I'm left handed. hee hee..

but here is the trick. Hire a boyscout to set everything up. No problemo

Can't help with the cot, never owned one.
My tent is 20 years old.
Two burner camp stove is brand new and I haven't set it up yet. It should be easy, it hooks to a 3 gallon propane tank and has bush button lighting. If it works. haha

Go to local camping supply shop and get them to set everything up for you. If it looks easy and you can do it then buy it.

Mighty Hiker is correct. There will be lots of folks willing to help but it is still wise to make certain everything works before you come because if you buy it brand new and don't set it up, then it might be missing something important. I have seen this happen with stoves and lanterns.

Lynne Leichtfuss

Social climber
valley center, ca
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 10, 2008 - 02:02am PT
use a sleeping bag and pad, if necessary.....? Help, I need a book on how to survive with pine needles and branches.

Any supertopoians in my area? I really don't like looking like I don't know what I'm doing. Oh, maybe I just better check in with the bear locker....Locker...omg we sure don't need him involved.

I think the dentist gave me too much novacaine today. I'm laughing and having way to much fun and there's no one here but me. lock me up ...no not the lock word again...

I am going to big time regret this post in the a.m. Right now I should press the delete button, but I'm still laughing.
Lynne Leichtfuss

Social climber
valley center, ca
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 10, 2008 - 02:11am PT
ok, seriously, do all men sleep on the ground? (not that it matters to me).

Secondly, I like to be in control of the equipment and not it of me. I want to know what I am doing. I will set it up at home first. Good idea.

Most tents have way to many pieces and blow over way to easily and if it rains I want total H2O proof. The tent concerns me the most. Willing to pay for a foolproof (oh be quiet fish) tent....that could do some serious camping in the snow someday.


graniteclimber

Trad climber
Nowhere
Jul 10, 2008 - 02:14am PT
Two words: air mattress.
Owlman

Trad climber
Jul 10, 2008 - 02:15am PT
I saw one of the woman working on my hooter crew, surveying owls.

she had this "special forces tent".

It was very cool.
It looked like one of those hooped laundry baskets that open up.

but it was a tent.

you need special friends!
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
Jul 10, 2008 - 02:15am PT
Lynne, it depends on you. I can sleep in a chair comfortably, my wife, she insists on the pad.

You'll be sooooo fuc-ed up, you'll prollly just crash in your tent. Don't worry about vots or cots, just crash.
Lynne Leichtfuss

Social climber
valley center, ca
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 10, 2008 - 02:21am PT
owlman, hi, glad to hear from you ! Glad things are good. I have alot of special friends, but I am trying to be an in de pend ant. hehe.

bluering, unlike men, if women just crash at night they don't always look so great in the early am....need to plan ahead. smiles, lrl

ok granite, got it. first on list good air mattress, lose the cot. thanks.
Mighty Hiker

Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Jul 10, 2008 - 02:22am PT
You are doing the right things.
1. Plan and prepare well in advance.
2. Ask questions.
3. Try things out first, before having to rely on them. (Can you camp overnight in your yard, and try everything? It would give your children and the neighbours something to talk about, too.)

Do you have neighbours or nearby friends who could help you out in terms of appropriate equipment, and how to use it? People who are experienced and have good judgment, that is.

Ultimately there is some inescapable personal responsibility, which can be a bit scary in a new environment. But all will turn out well.

Chances are that you will end up being over-equipped, though hopefully not a la William Boot in Scoop. It's quite common.

You need, at least:
1. Sturdy three season tent, with full complement of pegs and guy strings.
2. Sleeping bag, good to say freezing.
3. Sleeping mat, e.g. thermarest or air mattress. Insulation plus cushioning. A cot may be cold to sleep on, unless there's some non-compressible insulation between sleeping bag and cot surface.
4. Camp stove. One or two burner. Reliable. The kind that use 'disposable' cylinders are typically easier to use.
5. Cookware and utensils.
6. Clothes and rainwear and washcloth and towel.
7. Toiletries.
8. First aid kit - bug stuff, blister stuff, bandaids, sun cream, etc.
9. Sturdy, broken in, light hiking boots. (Critical!)
10. Food and drink.

I've probably forgotten things, but the essential thing is to be prepared for a modest adventure.
Lynne Leichtfuss

Social climber
valley center, ca
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 10, 2008 - 02:24am PT
Mighty Hiker, My neighbors ALREADY have too much to talk about!!
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Jul 10, 2008 - 02:27am PT
You're nuts.

A three man cot works just fine with two women,....
jstan

climber
Jul 10, 2008 - 02:28am PT
Even though 100 ST'ers will rain on my parade for giving you bad advice, your note makes it sound like you need some. After they get through and I have been shredded, you will have a better idea.

No cot.

Don't get a tent till you know exactly what you want. Every person on ST has a closet full of unused tents. Failing your getting the loan of one from someone close to where you live, I can bring up an extra on the train. Tents are a big deal. That is why we all have a closet full.

Get a closed cell foam pad. Two if you are a princess. Thermarests, again, are a big deal.

Don't get a stove. Stoves are a big deal. You will have 30,000 friends and 30,000 available stoves in the Valley. Borrow one after they finish cooking. It will even be preheated. After looking at 30,000 stoves you will be an expert.

You need either a pack of some sort or even a pillow case for carrying everything. I have found a pillow case affords special ambiance. Anyone carrying a pillow case is assumed to know exactly what they are doing. Indeed I know of no case where a person carrying a pillow case has been hassled. I understand Piton Ron uses a pillow case, though that may not be the only reason he has not been hassled.

You need a pot, a fork, a sponge, a cup, a platypus, a toothbrush, ear plugs, a head lamp or flashlight, sleeping bag, a hat, sunglasses, two or three stuff sacks, and ten boxes of macaroni and cheese. You don't really need the cheese, but it comes with the macaroni. No choice.

In the Valley you will need a compass only if you free solo 5.15 like it was class three.

Oh yes, you also need a smile. That you give to Ken.

PS
I was in the women's bathroom in C4 only once when I was an easterner. I was quite surprised to learn California women are not very friendly. Anyway that facility was torn out decades ago so I have no idea whether you will have access to 120 Volts. I am sure someone on ST can give you this critical information.

Lynne Leichtfuss

Social climber
valley center, ca
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 10, 2008 - 02:30am PT
Sorry Mighty Hiker, when I read that phrase I went into a convulsion of laugher....which I needed desperately since my Mom just had a stroke a couple days ago.

You are the best M.H. always,always there.

The one good thing I have going for me is broken in good comfortable H2O proof hiking shoes and some common sense...but it's been awhile and I'd like as much imput as possible on rest.

That's why I'm on ST...how many people do you know you could call and ask them how to outfit you for camping....nada most.
Lynne Leichtfuss

Social climber
valley center, ca
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 10, 2008 - 02:34am PT
Piton, your comment about commitment????? Oh, boy...... referring to the book club of course. I know joke, joke.
Mighty Hiker

Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Jul 10, 2008 - 02:38am PT
And don't forget a vorpal sword. Bound to be useful if #46 shows up. Or a Frumious Bandersnatch. Or a Jabberwock.
http://www.jabberwocky.com/carroll/jabber/jabberwocky.html
Lynne Leichtfuss

Social climber
valley center, ca
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 10, 2008 - 02:39am PT
Jstan, good specifics....But what the heck is a platypus..I thought it was a water animal in Australia....I need to bring a pet???

Just packed my compass....hehehe

Got smiles galore, you just ran into the wrong CA gals.
Lynne Leichtfuss

Social climber
valley center, ca
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 10, 2008 - 02:42am PT
Ahh, Mighty Hiker....that was great...love that poem and haven't marched it out in years....could pro only use the vorpal sword on a grizzly...hope the petas don't get me for that.

We will plan more ca sa manana.... Lynne
Dr. Rock

Ice climber
Castle Rock
Jul 10, 2008 - 03:01am PT
As a rule, you always forget one item, remembered half way to the destination.
Just make sure it is something you can buy along the way, which is everything.
And don't forget the continental beakfast.


John Moosie

climber
Beautiful California
Jul 10, 2008 - 03:09am PT
A platypus is the new fangled water bottle, also called a bladder.

http://www.platypushydration.com/

Jstan is right. You will see lots of different gear at this event which will help you make decisions on what features you like. I just went to the REI website and looked at tents. There are something like 500 for sell on their site. If you really want a tent, then stick to the better brands such as north face, sierra designs, marmot. I don't much care for REI brand though many folks do. NO to coleman tents, kelty tents, campmore tents, or eureka tents. They are cheaper for a reason.

Find your local climbing/sporting goods store. One with a good history and ask them for help. Just be aware that gear can be very pricey. 300 to 500 for a good camping tent. That is if you are serious about possibly camping where it might snow.

Cheap tents here.

http://www.sierratradingpost.com/p/322,88638_Marmot-Monarch-Tent.html

REIs page

http://www.rei.com/camping/TOC/Tents+Shop?cm_re=toc*toc*tents&vcat=REI_SSHP_CAMPING_TOC
Anastasia

climber
Not there
Jul 10, 2008 - 03:21am PT
Lynn,
I will help you with that. I will set up your tent right! Email me tomorrow since I need to send you a bit of information.
Love You!
Pepper
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Jul 10, 2008 - 03:21am PT
you won't need any special water bottles or bladders, you are car camping, getting bottled water will be sufficient for this time...

...you might want a "day pack" to put stuff in, water, lunch, a rain jacket, to take with you when you're out picking up trash...

If you are going climbing, you can attach your bottled water to your harness if you are clever with duct tape.

DO BRING YOUR CLIMBING SHOES AND A HARNESS and a belay/rap device. (chalk, tape, crash pad, beanie, boom box are all optional). The Facelift is about climbers getting together, that requires climbing at some point IMHO.

Don't stress about your kit. You will have hundreds of volunteers willing to help you out when you get there. You could probably stroll into camp without anything and have a comfortable, grand time.... if you have most of it, someone else will probably have an idea on how you can get the bits you don't.
Blinny

Trad climber
NWMontana
Jul 10, 2008 - 10:18am PT
Lynne. . . Kath here. . . I have a really, really nice tent - with rain fly and ground sheet (that I know how to set up) thermarest (self inflating pad - oh so comfy) AND a nice Western Mountaineering down bag (CLEAN AND NICE - NOT ALL MAGGOTTY) that I would be happy to bring along for you to use. I've even got a tricked out pillow case that I made that has a soft ribbon drawstring so you can put some clothes/down jacket/whatever in to make a pillow.

I'm gonna be in the Roadtrek (my Class B motorhome) - so all I have to do is stick this stuff in the way back and you are more than welcome to borrow it. . . I'll even set it all up for you.

If something comes down the pike and I end up NOT being able to go, I could ship this stuff to you, in care of GENEREAL DELIVERY at Yosemite Lodge and you could just ship it back to me later. The instructions for setting up the tent are right on the stuff bag - but any of our TacoBrethren could set it up for you BLIND FOLDED! It's WAY easy - especially if you have a little experience.

What-a-ya-think?

Let me know. . . it's all out, nicely stored, in our bunkhouse and it wouldn't be a problem getting it out and either shipping or schlepping it all. For that matter, if you really wanted to have all your bases covered, I could ship it all to you BEFORE you leave and you'd just have it - and could familiarize yourself with it in the comfort of your own home.

?

Let me know! I've got ya covered, Sista!

ox

Kath

Kath
Lynne Leichtfuss

Social climber
valley center, ca
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 10, 2008 - 10:22am PT
Moosie, Anastasia and Ed - great stuff thanks ! Really mean it.

Last two question/comments....have not gotten a belay device yet, but have the rest of the stuff. What kind of belay device for someone new like me ?

Very tempted to just show up....never done that before. Have always been the one with so much extra stuff that anyone who forgot something could borrow. Maybe in extreme make over of life will try something new.

Have a great day all ! Today the orthodontist for wire tightening, yowww! lrl
nature

climber
Santa Fe, NM
Jul 10, 2008 - 10:23am PT
The mess tents in Yellowpines will have many many stoves (I'll have about six burners myself).

Otherwise... carry on.
Lynne Leichtfuss

Social climber
valley center, ca
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 10, 2008 - 10:25am PT
WOW! ekat that would be totally awesome. I will email you. Thank you so very!!!! Lynne
Lynne Leichtfuss

Social climber
valley center, ca
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 10, 2008 - 10:26am PT
Thanks Mr. Nature, you are as always...nice. Looks I'm going to have a great time. Is anyone else bringing a bicycle?
Blinny

Trad climber
NWMontana
Jul 10, 2008 - 10:42am PT
Yeah. . . I'll have my bike (a beater looking but perfectly mechanically perfect 1985 Specialized RockHopper with panniers - side bags for schlepping shee). . . I'm gonna beach the RoadTrek and ride my bike EVERYWHERE! It's just what I do when I'm there. . . always have, always will.

Kath

P.S. If you don't wanna schlepp a bike there are some cool ones for rent. . .




P.P.S. And I've got a 2 burner propane stove in the RoadTrek - AND all the pots and pans and dishes and shee to handle 4 people.

DON'T WORRY, even though this puppy's got a generator, I PROMISE I WILL NEVER TURN IT ON!

NEVER!

I hate the things!

I take that back. . . you bet your ass I'd turn it on if we needed power to save somebody's life - but I assure you I won't turn it on to run that little microwave or the convection oven.

I PROMISE!

eKat is a LOW PROFILE RV user!


Lynne Leichtfuss

Social climber
valley center, ca
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 10, 2008 - 09:27pm PT
Hey guys, Went to the local Nomad Ventures today and did find out about the platypus. Got one (just the gut with no pack)cause you can stick it in your pack....an easy way to carry H2O for a day of climbing. If it doesn't work will let you know.

Got a simple Black Diamond belay piece and some biners and non locking biners.

Jstan, have a full compliment of pillowcases ready to GO!

How do you tie them off, prussic knot?

Vorpal Sword dusted and packed.

Ipod, fully charged

Love you all....remain open to any and all suggestions.

This is SO MUCH FUN.








OBTW....many of you have posted your campsite at YP. Mine is described by our Commander in Chief as "Yellow Pine A&B. I arrive on the 21st and am at A....then I move to B on 22nd and stay there until nite of 28th when I move back to A and leave on 29th.

Mr. Chix said if I parked my tent in the middle of the two sites I would not have to move at all. Can ANYONE help me understand this? Lynnie



Mighty Hiker

Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Jul 10, 2008 - 09:35pm PT
Hobo Dave demonstrates here the proper use of the pillow case.

I believe that Fish Products makes several models.
Lynne Leichtfuss

Social climber
valley center, ca
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 10, 2008 - 09:41pm PT
I'm sure Mr. Fish would love to hear from me....one more time?!

Maybe if I flash the Vorpal Sword.... I hear he's into power tools. hehehe

LOL....who know's what the fish will post????
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Jul 10, 2008 - 10:08pm PT
hey there lynne... awwwwww, shucks, gal... you will do justttttt fine, and you will LOVE it!....

just bring you favorite blankie, is all, and all will be well....

hmmmm, well it works for little kids... :)

sounds like these guys and gals got you covered... say, wish i could go.. i miss the valley.... maybe some day.... hopefully :)


*ooops, who am i to talk, i am not as brave as i used to be, course that's cause i have heard-tell of many odd bear stories, so where-as in the old days, i loved a tent outdoors, now, the last times i stayed anywhere, we just slept in the car... :) (course, the cars didn't have to be in the parking lots, though)


have fun, lynne!

ps. say, hope you are well after that tooth-episode... does not sound like it was fun :(
Lynne Leichtfuss

Social climber
valley center, ca
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 10, 2008 - 10:19pm PT
Neebee, you're always such a sweetheart! Pulling for everyone's best interests. Special pillow and blanket on list....

BITD slept alone in the van in parking lots in the valley while hub on an overnight wall. Survived the infra red ranger camera's....anyone remember that techno?

Prob should give hoodies braces on their teeth instead of incarceration... Lynnie
John Moosie

climber
Beautiful California
Jul 10, 2008 - 10:22pm PT
Lynne, A and B at yellowpines are group sites. They are large sites which you will share with a bunch of other cleanup folks. Mostly supertopo folks. They are right next to each other so you can place your tent right between them and probably not have to move. Ask the camp host when you arrive.

This TR has some pictures of the camp towards the end.

http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.html?topic_id=457799&msg=624234#msg624234
ron gomez

Trad climber
fallbrook,ca
Jul 10, 2008 - 10:23pm PT
Lynne
Check yer email, hope it's a help
Peace
Fish Finder

Social climber
THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART
Jul 10, 2008 - 10:59pm PT
hey lynne,

here is some common sense safety tips, enough about the standard camping stuff.

first and foremost , you are a woman, it more than likely will be a sword fest at the clean up ,so be sure to a. bring a whistle b. a hammer you never know who else besides bear 46 will try to get in your tent after partying.

also on a final note it would be ashame if you didnt pack some pop tarts.

have fun and the best of luck.

gregg


Lynne Leichtfuss

Social climber
valley center, ca
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 10, 2008 - 11:12pm PT
Moosie, thanks for the link...and thanks for taking the time to help. So looking forward to the fun....

Fishfinder, of course poptarts for honoring BITD, for sure, didn't even know they made them anymore. Will for sure include.... thanks for reminding me.

What you say about safety tips is so practical...yet it did get my funny bone! Thought only in college days you needed the hammer and the whistle....but on your best advise they will be by the fly....woe to those that do not read your post!!!

Thanks for the practical ...... Lynners
rockermike

Mountain climber
Berkeley
Jul 10, 2008 - 11:15pm PT
Here's a killer deal on a tent; good enough for anything Yosemite can throw at you. And about as simple to pitch as they come. Of course you could spend more.... but I'd suggest you save the $s for climbing gear. ha

http://www.rei.com/outlet/product/750075
Captain...or Skully

Big Wall climber
Yonder
Jul 11, 2008 - 12:05am PT
And, Lynne....The monkeys LOVE helping damsels in distresssssssss
ssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss. You'll be amazed.
Lynne Leichtfuss

Social climber
valley center, ca
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 11, 2008 - 12:23am PT
Oh Gosh, this is why I love the Taco...

Fish Finder, you are a cool dude...are you going to facelift?

Many guys on ST put women in parenthesis when noted like guys and (women)....You on the other hand say, "first and foremost you are a woman"....Rock on man and God Bless


Rockermike, have afternoon off mananna .... will check out thanks for the info!!!!

Skully, monkeys ???? Do you have your travel plans done yet? hehehe get on it bro.....
Standing Strong

Trad climber
monsoon time
Jul 11, 2008 - 12:26am PT
i bet a cot would be more comfy than my thermarest. can i sleep on it if i help set it up? there's lots of room if it's built for 3, right?

hehehe kidding

but why a 3 person cot...???
Fish Finder

Social climber
THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART
Jul 11, 2008 - 01:30am PT
Hi Lynne and thanks for the compliment.

I have not given it any thought yet but it sounds like your 3 man cot thread is rallying the troops.

Being in bishop , its just a hop skip and a jump so I will consider it for the good cause.

Best Gregg



Blitzo

Social climber
Earth
Jul 11, 2008 - 01:33am PT
Three men in a cot? Kinky!
Lynne Leichtfuss

Social climber
valley center, ca
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 11, 2008 - 01:38am PT
Gregg, thanks for replying. I have never been to the Facelift, this is my first time. I feel it is a great cause plus it gives climbers a chance to come together and interface/meet one another.

Ken...web name...chicken skinner sets up fun stuff every night for us to do...we work to clear trash and climb rock during day...sure hope you can join us...If you need help contacting Ken ( he's head of Yosemite Climbing Association) or really any help at all please email me.

Standing Strong, it's a misnomer...took 3 of us to put it together....hope to meet you at the facelift...
Lynne Leichtfuss

Social climber
valley center, ca
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 11, 2008 - 01:42am PT
Blitzo,

well there you are...how come you didn't take part in the beer of the day thread on natures, vegan pizza thread...

interpret...nag, nag, nag...

It was lonely eating shrimp cocktail and drinking Tecate alone...
Blitzo

Social climber
Earth
Jul 11, 2008 - 01:43am PT
Yeah, everyone can play bochie ball (sp?) at ken's place in El Portal!
Blitzo

Social climber
Earth
Jul 11, 2008 - 01:46am PT
Lynne, if you're around, you get the shrimp and I'll pick the beer! Let's go climbing!
Lynne Leichtfuss

Social climber
valley center, ca
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 11, 2008 - 01:54am PT
Blitzo, I am still new on the taco...could you post or email me your REAL name, my peeps control who I see. If it works out one of us will bring food and drink and one games....Lynne
Blitzo

Social climber
Earth
Jul 11, 2008 - 01:59am PT
Here Lynne.

http://www.supertopo.com/rockclimbing/progallery.html?gid=23
Lynne Leichtfuss

Social climber
valley center, ca
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 11, 2008 - 06:38am PT
I'm not in your league, great photos...maybe boccie at 10 paces
KaK

Trad climber
Montana
Jul 11, 2008 - 06:55am PT
Mighty Hiker,

wow you sure do like to be prepared.

Get a tent
get a good coat
some good pants
and good socks


you will be fine, sore in the morning with cold toes but you will be fine

ohh ya and there is running water there so no need for a stove, just get food you dont need to cook


Call me crazy but i dont like to cary things around if i dont need them, (altho at 9,000 feet in early june i would have been much much happier with a sleeping bag,cloeths just didnt cut it that night
Mighty Hiker

Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Jul 11, 2008 - 11:24am PT
Context, KaK. Lynne isn't John Muir. Maybe she'll be a bit overequipped compared to us hearty hiker types, but there's no harm in that. If she was a 16 year old, maybe I'd suggest different/lesser equipment.

Perhaps we should provide for the possibility of croquet at the FaceLift, or perhaps softball. There's lots else already happening, but it might be fun one afternoon when we're "bagged out".
Lynne Leichtfuss

Social climber
valley center, ca
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 11, 2008 - 01:07pm PT
That's right KaK, MH nailed it,,,,,kinda like an older Mrs. Muir, a little decrepit but still able to walk. hehehe

MH, glad we're getting the age thing in here....maybe now that reality has struck I won't get so many emails....
Lynne Leichtfuss

Social climber
valley center, ca
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 12, 2008 - 12:18am PT
OK, spent today turning the 3 man cot into an uno cot I can manage. DONE

Tent-Done
Vorpal Sword-Done
Jstan's pillow cases to use for all gear and clothes...Done
Blitzo's Boccie Balls - done ...plus beer for winner..done


Going to TMEADOWS this week for a Facelift trial run...leaving WED.....almost done.

BIGGEST CHALLENGE THIS WEEK....Sipping Fattrad's nectar of the gods. Need to make sure Ouch will be ok guzzling at the lift.

Yo, you all out there.

ARE YOU READY FOR THE LIFTTTTTTTTTT?

Lynnie

Dr. Rock

Ice climber
Castle Rock
Aug 12, 2008 - 02:29am PT
sleep better camping than home.

Tent: Get a simple Big Jive two pole umbrella tent.
These fancy stremline tents with the weird shaped gold anodized poles, the rocket scientist instructions and 200 dollar price tag?

Cuckoo!

I love to kick it and watch people struggle with those 22 pole extravaganzas in the dark, very entertaining.
"Let's see, insert pole marked V2 C into socket X 2 Q.
Remove pole W 2 K and plug into grommet V 6 Y.
Nuts! Who came up with that design anyway?

Some of them look like the Bird's Nest in China.

This 40 dollar tent has lasted 8 years already.
Has more room, and sets up in a jiffy.

Last summer I spent 67 nites in my tent, a new world record, for me at least.

Get an LED flash light, a small one. Tie it into the center loop at the top of your tent.
Leave it there.
Fold the tent up.
This way, no matter what, you will have a lit tent, even if you forget your other flashlight.

I soldered in a 4.7 k 1/4 watt resistor into the cap so that my light is only draggin about 1 ma.
Typical AA bat = 1000 ma hours, so if they don't corrode, it will last 1000 hours, or about ten years.
The glow is so dim, you can not even tell it is on from the outside, which is nice. You do not want to wreck you night vision in the middle of the night with a big light.
Once I get set up, I just leave the light on all night, so I don't have to dig out a light every time I need to visit the tent for something.

I used to like air matresses, but too many failures, and when they fail, you are screwed.
So I use a three panel single foam futon that I bought at Mancini's Sleep World for 39 bucks.
It folds up, or you can smash it into a cylinder.
Had it for ten years.
Everybody hates it if I carpool, but I sleep like a baby.
Use it at home, too.
Sittin on it right now, as a matter.
And, I just am finding out, it makes a great boulder pad!
They should make a boulder pad that doubles as a mattress.

We got this guy in the club, he likes camping so much, he sleeps in his bag on a Thermorest even at home!

Most freaks in the Kayak club use a Thermorest auto inflate, they are way cool, but kind of pricey.

Don't bring anything but the tent and pad.
There is going to be so much extra stuff, go the Ray Way.
Somebody always brings water.
Someone always brings way too much food.

You know what's funny?
One year I figured out that if you place your LED flashlight on top of a big clear water jug, it creates the most awesome camp light in the world.
Instead of a narrow beam, the water diffuses the beam into a warm blue glow.
It worked so good, that the next night at Camp Lotus, about three other camp sites were doing the same thing.
Next night, the whole camp ground was doing it.

So the next time you see a cool glow on top of a Safeway water jug...
Lynne Leichtfuss

Social climber
valley center, ca
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 12, 2008 - 11:26pm PT
Dr. Rock...as usual you ROCK OUT ! As well as everyone else that has helped this new born old child figure it OUT.

Realize now why DBL quit camping. Too darn much work. Wish I would have had a clue. I would have helped more. Shoot this darn princess that didn't know she was one.

SOOO, now we are on our own and doing it with the help of friends. And trust me, it will be done.

Hardest hit is the hair dryer. No way to plug in....Butane gone with the terrorists. Resigned to ugly hair....sigh ...get over it!!!!!!!!!

PS ...great idea about keeping the lite in the tent, stellar !


Dr. Rock, I was given the perfect two pole tent. I can currently assemble my cot and tent and well it's ALL good from there.

TM ....never lookin so GOOD ..Fattrad etc all so yo' for that glass of vintage vino... Big Smiles, Lynne


Anastasia

climber
Not there
Aug 13, 2008 - 01:19am PT
Lynne!
Stop with the cots! They are not as comfortable as a good pad... In fact some pads are just as comfortable as high end beds!

I would instead buy a thermarest pad or downpad. They are extremely comfortable, easy to pack and set up. Plus, they will allow you to do more than just car camp.

If you are wondering about them, go to a local climbing store/REI etc. and try them out! Please Lynne, you will not regret it!!!

Here are two site to read about them...

http://www.thermarest.com/product_selection.aspx?cID=3

http://www.altrec.com/exped/downmat-9-sleeping-pad

AF
Lynne Leichtfuss

Social climber
valley center, ca
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 13, 2008 - 01:42am PT
Say Pepper, I am SO laughing out loud....

"So, Lynne, STOP with the cots...." hysterical gal. I need people to grab me round the neck and say just that. OK nix cots ...manana look for your suggestions.

Say, Pepper, I am not CAR trashing, I am walking all this SHEEE
into a WALK IN campground....so YES I appreciate ALL suggestions.

yAHOOOOO....LEAVING TOMORROW AT 3PM FOR THE GREAT OUT.....

HUGE smiles, lynnie

Lynne Leichtfuss

Social climber
valley center, ca
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 19, 2008 - 07:27pm PT


Anastasia, I'm a little embarassed. Lynne didn't listen to you and brought the cot to TM anyways. Please note: the cot is longer than the tent.

Whaddya do with someone like her ?

Don't worry, I'll have her act cleaned up by Facelift.

Torry
Lynne Leichtfuss

Social climber
valley center, ca
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 19, 2008 - 07:28pm PT


Anastasia, I'm a little embarassed. Lynne didn't listen to you and brought the cot to TM anyways. Please note: the cot is longer than the tent.

Whaddya do with someone like her ?

Don't worry, I'll have her act cleaned up by Facelift.

Torrey
Nefarius

Big Wall climber
Fresno, CA
Aug 19, 2008 - 07:49pm PT
Just buy a bouldering pad. You'll sleep super comfortable and warm and can use it for climbing small rocks later. The setup is easy - just unfold it.

Seriously... A cot??? A tent is really questionable too.
Captain...or Skully

Big Wall climber
Yonder (in the sagebrush)
Aug 19, 2008 - 07:57pm PT
Yeah....the Valley climate is mild & beautiful....just throw down & crash. Sheesh.....
nature

climber
Santa Fe, NM
Aug 19, 2008 - 08:00pm PT
I was gonna offer advice until I thought about #46 having his way with you. I mean, hey.... last year it was crimpie. What better way to save Callie the anguish of another #46 encounter than to find another mate for him.


Lynne... we'll have stove a plenty. Honestly... if you are in yellow pines for the duration don't worry about a stove. I have a cot that I could probably bring a long.

Need a flashlight? Hmm.. I have a small one burner propane lantern you can borrow. Screws on top of a propane bottle.
Lynne Leichtfuss

Social climber
valley center, ca
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 19, 2008 - 08:12pm PT
Hey guys, just got back from trial run in Tuolumne. Weather incredible on the super great side ! Climbing xcellent.

Cots Gone.....really and truly.....

Tents today are scary.

I pulled up the stakes on my loaner whilst packing to go home. A breeze came up and except for a fortunately placed pine tree it would have soared like an eagle into the river valley FARRRRR below. Thinking van for the lift.

Open to names of COMFORTABLE bouldering pads, big smiles due to being back from a great short trip. lrl
Lynne Leichtfuss

Social climber
valley center, ca
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 19, 2008 - 08:20pm PT
Howdy, Nature....bet you're busy gearing up ! Thanks for thinking of me. I will be there for the duration, a whole wonderful week. Most important for this gal is coffee in the a.m. FIRST thang. Does your stove get up early ?

If you are still on the ST ethernet now, do I email you for the Sushi fest ?

Gave up cots, but thanks, #46 can use it ...is he nice?
Lynne Leichtfuss

Social climber
valley center, ca
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 19, 2008 - 08:29pm PT
fattrad, it was pretty funny !

Daphne posted a note on the market message board....I posted one on the TM campground board....and " 'nere the twain did meet". hahaha

Hope you had as GREAT a time as I did....phenom ! See ya at the Lift ? Right O ?
nature

climber
Santa Fe, NM
Aug 19, 2008 - 08:48pm PT
The drill each morning will be as follows:

A 5 gallon stainless steel pot will be sitting on top of the stove (filled from the night before). A smaller one will be next to it. Please light both. The smaller one is for your quick fix on coffee. The larger to feed the masses their dose of caffeine.

I have two #6 cones and 2 carafe's to go long with it. Plus a thermos or three.

A large ladle will adorn the 5 gallon stainless pot. We'll use that to pour water over the precious ground bean. Flavors yet to be determined (but I like mine hot black and bitter - no cream/sugar).

First one up light the stove please. A lighter at the end of the cord that is attached to said stove better stay there.

I'm serious about feeding people coffee.

Oh... and there's also a glass carafe we can put milk in. Soy can stay in the box. Real sugar or Agave syrup also available. Tea and Yerba Mate too if needed.

After that's all said and done we'll fire up the griddles for french toast and pancakes.

Maybe eggs to order plus potato's one morning.

Oh... and just ignore the fact that my eyes are fully bloodshot and I need toothpicks to keep 'em open. Looks are deceiving. Blame Fatty for my hangover.


PS - Crimpie sez #46 is nice but I suppose it depends on your definition of nice.
Lynne Leichtfuss

Social climber
valley center, ca
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 19, 2008 - 09:04pm PT
Thanks Nature, Perfect info ! Just printed it off and put it in my Lift file folder> Muchas Gracias ! Lynnie
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
Aug 19, 2008 - 09:24pm PT
I usually have my stove/french press going as soon as I get out of bed...even before peeing!!!

Coffee is essential in the morning, 2 cups...followed by beer the rest of the day laced with mandatory H20 hydration. That's just me though.
Lynne Leichtfuss

Social climber
valley center, ca
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 19, 2008 - 10:05pm PT
fattrad, such is life....just bring my missed TM wine to the Valley...hehe. I'll make up for it! Sorry I missed ya'll, was really looking forward to meeting the really super Tacos and Tacoettes !

Bluering, I took several pictures of the rock on Puppy Dome as per your request on another thread. A few are now posted on the TM thread I just posted. I took more of the area just past Puppy Crack and the small weedy gully. Let me know if you want me to email. Lynne

Captain...or Skully

Big Wall climber
Yonder (in the sagebrush)
Aug 20, 2008 - 12:28am PT
"Small weedy gully",........hmmmmm.


Sounds like 'hiking' may ensue.




Let's hope knot.
Lynne Leichtfuss

Social climber
valley center, ca
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 20, 2008 - 12:46am PT
Skully, you are such a great upbeat poster with a grand sense of humor....or maybe we are both "Far Side" neurons that have that "peculiar sense of humor"....who the heck cares....funny IS funny ! Yo and right on ! Lynnie
Anastasia

climber
Not there
Aug 20, 2008 - 01:27am PT
Lynne,
You NEED to come over and visit. I have an REI store just two blocks from my house, a Sport Chalet, and my favorite "Adventure 16."

http://www.adventure16.com/backpackerschecklist.html

We will practice setting up your gear in my backyard and settle this once and for all.
Dang it girl... Let me help you! If I am an expert on anything, then it is on camping gear. I will let you know the pro and cons of each item, what is overall the most economical and practical for your type of camping.

AF


Lynne Leichtfuss

Social climber
valley center, ca
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 20, 2008 - 03:06am PT
Ok, yo Pepper, will get my shee list together and let you decide what to do to make lynnie's life good in Yo ..se..mite.

Great smiles on a gorgeous evening here in San Diego County.

: }
Indianclimber

Trad climber
Lost Wages
Oct 31, 2008 - 08:04pm PT
Lynne what was the final results of all your camping prep
we are getting ready to buy a car camping setup for our daughter for xmas,any advice from the taco appreciated
Jingy

Social climber
Flatland, Ca
Oct 31, 2008 - 08:17pm PT
Lynne - I'm sure you've got all this info before this, but...


Tent - North Face or Mountain Hardware (if you got that kind of cash). I've had my MH tent for a couple years now and it's easy to put up, nearly falls together once I start the motions. Started out with a couple different Kelty's, both not big enough for be and the (at the time) pad I had.

Cot - Not needed. Think of minimalist camping. You're way better off getting the TOP OF THE LINE Thermarest. It has an air pad under a foam pad all in a zippered fleece lined cover. Nothing better, in my opinion. Not to mention, with a cot you have the feet of the cot that could poke holes in that niec new tent of yours! Watch out.

Lantern - Look around. You can go with whatever fits you needs. I go with a headlamp.

Stove - Coleman. And there are too many to mention. That one you got was pretty much the bext I've seen in a while. You got rid of that?

As for th4e instruction reading, I would suggest getting the new stuff home and opening it up and using it immediately. Put it all together a couple times if needed. You do have the capacity to learn something even if you cannot get it at first.


Hope this helps,

Cheers

Edit: Same for you Indianclimber. I am currently a minimalist car camper myself and have no issues with my set up, 'cep I don't have a stove. Still waiting for a need for that. It just seems that everywhere I stay is relatively close to stores and or diners.
Indianclimber

Trad climber
Lost Wages
Oct 31, 2008 - 09:19pm PT
3 person tent for 2 people car camping? For Zion and Josh winter
3 season? Easy setup models?
Thanks
Ninfa
Lynne Leichtfuss

Social climber
valley center, ca
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 31, 2008 - 09:33pm PT
Hi Indianclimber, Glad you asked cause alot of Taco people put time and effort into helping me....and they did help me BigTime!

1) How big is the vehicle ?

2) There are a zillion tents out there. I borrowed two for my first two expeditions. Will your daughter be doing walk in and backpacking primarily or pull into the campground in her car.

a) Check out thrift stores. My daughter got a great tent for $20 at one. A really great tent.....

b) Need a small light one for backpacking or walking in. Downside small and you can't stand up in it.

c) Car camping, get one you can stand up in. Worth it. Even hardcore Casey from New Mexico who did the West Face 19 pitches with Papjoto told me that !

d) Accidentally got a great stove at Target. Had a nice big burner on one side and a grill on the other. Even this dweb could set it up and put it together. Coleman and Not expensive..@$20.

e) Again if you ask and listen people like Casey will give you good advice. He told me to go to a RV store and get a refillable Propane Tank for the stove. Why buy the little tanks from camping stores and then throw them away. GREAT advice.

f) Tents need a groundcloth and small hand broom....Home Depot. At night need to keep H2O and a headlamp in the tent.

g) ALL OF THE TACO WAS RIGHT, COTS NEVER NEEDED NOWADAYS.

h) Get a good wide Thermarest mattress.

i.) ice chest

j) minimal amount of cookware.

Ok, if you want more specifics email me or call me. If you email I'll give you phone #

OOPS ! If you daughter likes espresso or coffee there are some Great gadgets out there. Ask the Supertopo.
Lynne Leichtfuss

Social climber
valley center, ca
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 31, 2008 - 09:35pm PT
Oh, yeah, forgot to say listen to Jingy's comments. Totally agree with them. He's helped me mucho !

Never used my lantern...I had a great headlamp and backup flashlite.
Lynne Leichtfuss

Social climber
valley center, ca
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 31, 2008 - 09:42pm PT
Indianclimber, tent is the hardest, at least it was for me. I was gonna buy a $1500 4 season tent....glad I listened to the Taco. Instead I borrowed a walk in tent and a car tent. Unless you have unlimited funds, borrow some tents and see what works for you. There are SO many shapes and sizes ...ease to set up, etc.

You can even rent expensive tents for @ $5 a night at climbing stores to test them out. Recommend testing before buying...REALLY.

Sure hope Jingy and I were able to help. Yo the Greatest Parents for Helping your Gal to experience a great Adventure.

Great Big Smiles, Lynnie

EDIT: So this silly thread really did help someone besides me...SUPER....Taco. : )))
Lynne Leichtfuss

Social climber
valley center, ca
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 31, 2008 - 09:50pm PT
Oh Yeah, tell your daughter this great mantra that a Super Topo guy shared with me here.

You are out to enjoy the wilderness, not to bring home with you and change the wilderness. LESS IS BETTER.
Indianclimber

Trad climber
Lost Wages
Oct 31, 2008 - 10:14pm PT
I have a Hubba tent for backpacking ,but was looking for a easy to set up roomy tent for my daughter and friend/s to go camping,something that is super easy to setup,I have a variety of stoves for backpacking and rving but need softer sleeping pads or air mattresses and some sleeping bags that will get them through
some desert nights .She has a hatchback Subaru so space should not be a problem
Thanks for all the info Lynne
Ninfa
Lynne Leichtfuss

Social climber
valley center, ca
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 31, 2008 - 10:38pm PT
Yo welcome Ninfa, hope to meet you at a Vegas Climbing fest someday ! Peace and Joy, Lynne
Lynne Leichtfuss

Social climber
valley center, ca
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 7, 2009 - 12:04am PT
So, you've come a long way baby.....bwahahaha.

Thanks to the Fabulous Forum for Transforming my Life. Yo all know who YOu are. Love, Lynne
Captain...or Skully

Social climber
Boise....
Aug 7, 2009 - 12:07am PT
No cot, then?
Less IS really better, huh?
Lynne Leichtfuss

Social climber
valley center, ca
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 7, 2009 - 12:11am PT
Yeah, yeah, Sir Skully .... yo dudes were so right and righteous.

Jess thinkin' of the elvis song bout wise men say only fool's rush in.... I was the fool....yo all gave me grace.

Love the Taco, Peace, Lynne
Lynne Leichtfuss

Social climber
valley center, ca
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 7, 2009 - 12:19am PT
Met Indian climber at the tarbuster fundraiser. Grate climber and awesome gal. This forum rocks. It does take care of its own. No matter who, where or whatever. Peace to the Forum. And Peace to all hurting....God I know how much the pain can be. Lynne
Lynne Leichtfuss

Social climber
valley center, ca
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 7, 2009 - 12:56am PT
roxjox, maybe the most singular best post evah..... Peace Lynne

So sweeet not being a newbie anymore.
Mighty Hiker

Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Aug 7, 2009 - 01:24am PT
Rokjox may have overstated a few things for effect, and may be a little out of date as to the situation at Camp 4. But he's still funny.

ps He forgot to mention the wolves they let run in camp at night, to keep people in line.
Lynne Leichtfuss

Social climber
valley center, ca
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 7, 2009 - 04:47am PT
Roxjox,
Dude, hope to meet you one day.....peace, lynne.

Yo hilarious.
Fish Finder

Social climber
THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART
Aug 7, 2009 - 12:12pm PT



Youve come a long way baby !!!!

First and foremost remember ,






















you are a ......





















poker player !!!!!!!!
Lynne Leichtfuss

Social climber
valley center, ca
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 7, 2009 - 01:40pm PT
You guys are hilarious !!!! Greg so practicing my poker face. :}

Can't Wait !

I picked up C4 (look I'm even learning the lingo) last year. It was pretty clean except for broken glass and a few thousand cigarette butts.

Do you think I will have trouble pounding in my tent stakes? Is there a tent size limit in C4 ??????
Mungeclimber

Trad climber
sorry, just posting out loud.
Aug 7, 2009 - 02:30pm PT
security patrols the Awahnee bano? I can't imagine anyone getting rousted from there for using the facilities as intended.


post wall bath exclusions may apply*
Hankster

Trad climber
Eldorado Springs, CO
Aug 7, 2009 - 02:41pm PT
46 out of 100 posts are from lynne, sometimes 3 or 4 in a row. Not including the obligitory Neebee post. AWESOME there lady!!!!!!

Bump!

Caylor
Lynne Leichtfuss

Social climber
valley center, ca
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 7, 2009 - 02:44pm PT
Some times I just have too much fun Caylor. The obligatory sorry about that. :D

Edit: I can't believe you took the time to count them bwahahaha.
Hankster

Trad climber
Eldorado Springs, CO
Aug 7, 2009 - 02:58pm PT
I'd do a some time in the Army though. You'll learn everything you never wanted to know about cots. They are so very tricky with all those mechanisms and such. bwahahahaha!

Caylor
Lynne Leichtfuss

Social climber
valley center, ca
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 7, 2009 - 03:04pm PT
Unfortunately I'm 4F. Pretty good with guns tho....and roses.
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Aug 9, 2009 - 10:49pm PT
hey there lynne and all, say, i had to stop in for a read, since ol' lynne will be staying at camp four...

say, roxjox... my, what a great read here... say, this could be framed and hung up there, for posterity... ;)
as part of history... ;)

well, lynne, with all this info, you'll do well... :)
make sure those of us that won't be at facelift this year get to hear how you all fared, and maybe get some neat pictures, too...

god bless... :)
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Aug 9, 2009 - 10:51pm PT
hey there say, hanster, oh my... i just learned a new word, i think.... ;)

say, what does it mean:

"obligitory Neebee post" ;)


god bless and get back to the fun, all... :)
Lynne Leichtfuss

Social climber
valley center, ca
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 9, 2009 - 11:16pm PT
How far this idiot (meaning me of course )has come....but C4 will be a challenge this year. Please send clues so I can fit in....lynnie. Peace.
Chicken Skinner

Trad climber
Yosemite
Aug 10, 2009 - 07:36pm PT
Lynne, Most females would settle for one man. But then again, you are no ordinary woman.

Ken
Lynne Leichtfuss

Social climber
valley center, ca
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 10, 2009 - 07:55pm PT
Yo So Right Dude.....Ah, Ken, you are a gentleman and a scholar for seeing the Truth. Laughing a WBraun laugh here bwahahahah. Peace, lynnie

Edit: Think a new pharmacy venture will be making 3 man cots....get a feeling there's some future for these critters.
Mighty Hiker

Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Aug 10, 2009 - 07:59pm PT
Three Men in a Boat may provide helpful hints regarding the cot issue. Or it could be one of the bedtime stories at the FaceLift. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Men_in_a_Boat
Lynne Leichtfuss

Social climber
valley center, ca
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 10, 2009 - 10:22pm PT
Rokjox, Well, as always, you pose many great questions. None of which I have answers to. But I am a collection of information and will keep my senses and brain open Dude. Appreciate alot of the info you share with us. Peace, Lynne

Edit: oops forgot to say,,,,,MH,,,,I can see three men in a boat....almost said do....that would be Bad ! lynnie
JOEY.F

Social climber
sebastopol
Aug 11, 2009 - 12:37am PT
Lynne,
Bring your bicycle.
You can get to the good bathrooms quickly.
You can moto to the slideshows.
You can get more beer if needed.
Bring headlamp.
:)
Lynne Leichtfuss

Social climber
valley center, ca
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 11, 2009 - 12:41am PT
Joey....Dude, always watching my back ....loving yo. Got the bike and a tire pump, a couple patch kits.....and I am my fathers daughter usually have 2-3 lites on me at any given time. Seriously, bwahahaha (well maybe carrying several lites is not that funny). Keep me posted on anything else. When yo getting there Dude ? Lynne

Edit: LOL ...."the good bathrooms". Hope I know where those are. I wonder what I used last year......
JOEY.F

Social climber
sebastopol
Aug 11, 2009 - 12:55am PT
Dates not set yet, but, at least I know where to find you...
Lynne Leichtfuss

Social climber
valley center, ca
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 11, 2009 - 01:00am PT
Ya, and the music and the fun. And of course the trash....hehehe
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