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Jody

Mountain climber
Topic Author's Original Post - Jun 30, 2008 - 10:24pm PT
...and other needless infringements.

I am against the cell phone law. What are they going to do next? Ban eating? Ban drinking a coke? Ban adjusting your radio? Criminalize adjusting your mirrors? Think I am kidding...you wait. Once you start down this slippery slope there is no stopping it.

What I would be for is a blanket law for inattentive driving. In other words, if you are doing something stupid like weaving, 25mph in the fast lane, stopped at a green light, etc...and you are being inattentive due to a cell phone, reading the paper, etc...have an enhanced fine for the observed violation. I see no reason why someone should be busted for the mere act of driving down the road talking on their cell if they are not violating any other laws.

P.S. This opinion is my personal opinion and not that of my employer or the State of CA. (But it should be.)

P.S.S. I would bet a bundle that Bluetooth bankrolled the new cell phone law lobby.

P.S.S.S We already have a "blanket law" that would cover what I mentioned above. 22350VC-(Unsafe speed for conditions).
Jaybro

Social climber
wuz real!
Jun 30, 2008 - 11:23pm PT
Can you put a phone to your ear in in your car, when pulled off on the shoulder, without facing banishment to the Gulag? What about if you are on a bike approaching Tesla in Livermore?
happiegrrrl

Trad climber
New York, NY
Jul 1, 2008 - 12:02am PT
I am in favor of no handheld cel phones while driving. Been nearly run over just a few too many times by some idiot yacking away and not realizing there's someone in the cross walk they're about to roll through or cross while making a turn.
khanom

Trad climber
eestsyde
Jul 1, 2008 - 12:05am PT
If there was an inattentive driving law in Cali there would be very few cars left on the road.
crazyfingers

climber
CA
Jul 1, 2008 - 12:11am PT
Think of the children!
mottaaa

Trad climber
tucson
Jul 1, 2008 - 12:15am PT
cell phones divide ones attention, and concentration between driving and the conversation taking place.

I was cited, years ago, for driving while listening to my, damn i'm old, walkman. this pissed me off. no differnt than listning to the radio.

Hang up and drive.

Green lights mean it is safe to go. doesn't mean you have to go.
Jody

Mountain climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 1, 2008 - 12:17am PT
Yes, you DO have to go. Otherwise you are in violation of impeding traffic.

Cite the people who drive stupidly while on phones. Don't cite the ones who are obeying all laws while talking on the phone.
WBraun

climber
Jul 1, 2008 - 12:19am PT
I wish I could talk on a phone.
T2

climber
Cardiff by the sea
Jul 1, 2008 - 12:28am PT
"I wish I could talk on a phone"

No you don't Werner, it's not what it's all cracked up to be. I hate mine most of the time.

Jody:

I pretty much agree with you. I believe that the people that get distracted using a cell phone while driving it's not going to make mush difference if they they have it in their hands or their ear.
happiegrrrl

Trad climber
New York, NY
Jul 1, 2008 - 12:35am PT
"Cite the people who drive stupidly while on phones. Don't cite the ones who are obeying all laws while talking on the phone"

...don't you think that most police will do just exactly that?

FYI, we have had the no hand-held law here in NYC for some time now. There are still plenty of people who continue to do it and I see them drive past police all the time without the police taking action.

I have driven a few times with a cel phone, and because of the law, I always used the earphone attachment. I don't know why, but it does seem that using the microphone felt like the focus was on driving. The times when I have used the phone while driving and didn't have the mic, I definitely felt my focus was more on the phone.

I really think there's some connection with the fact that one hand is pretty much taken out of driving action due to holding the phone and the ability to focus properly. Of course, a person having a limited "yes, no, okay I'll pick up dinner on the way" conversation is also way different that the "and then I" sorts reporting the minutiae of their lives.
mojede

Trad climber
Butte, America
Jul 1, 2008 - 12:40am PT
Try eating a salad when you drive--now that takes some attention to pull off.


Jody has seen enough bad driving habits to be a pretty source for an educated opinion.

Of course, living in driving in Montana nowhere resembles that of Californicatia.
spot

climber
Atascadero,Ca
Jul 1, 2008 - 12:42am PT
I know... "opinions are like a$$holes" Here's mine.

I work out in the streets for a living and I'm GLAD there is finally a law like this. I'm happy there might be a few more folks paying attention to driving, rather than their mind in the clouds, yakking to their BBF or talking about picking up a loaf of bread at the corner store.

I've witnessed car accidents where BOTH drivers were on the cell phone and pulled bonehead moves and hit each other in downtown San Luis Obispo. Thank god I was on the sidewalk at the time.

I know you can't legislate common sense, but this reaction is the same as when the "seat belt" law passed, the "helmet" law passed, etc. I thought it was stupid that a law had to be passed to "encourage" a person to wear a seatbelt and put on a helmet, but...

Drive careful out there and the guy in an orange vest isn't a target,he/she is just trying to make a living!

EDIT:

mojede - oops on the BBF - Thanks for catching that- I think my cell phone is making my brain skip like a scratched record (remember those vinyl things?) see - http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.html?topic_id=625629

fatrad: Thanks for the compliment, but I'll keep my day job as a turd herder for the city of SLO, where I'm out in traffic daily!

see below...
mojede

Trad climber
Butte, America
Jul 1, 2008 - 12:48am PT
Don't you mean BFF?

What does BBF stand for, anyways ? Best Boy Friend, Black Boy Friend, Biggest Boy Friend--hehe.
Jingy

Social climber
Flatland, Ca
Jul 1, 2008 - 12:56am PT
I already had a blue tooth. This law means nothing to me for a few reason:
1. I don't really like to drive and talk on the phone, but when it's needed I have the technology to do so, safely.
2. There really is nothing happening in my life that someone, any one, would need to talk to me about "Right Now"!
3. I don't want to be part of an accident in which I am found at fault. If they can get my phone records showing that a call ended just after the time of an accident I was involved in... I'm pegged, and I pay.

But none of this will happen if we (the self-important) all put the phones down while driving. Seems to make sense that we would want to make people pay attention to the road they are driving at speeds on.

Call me reactionary, but I think that the car should not be equipped with drink holders. Yes even those things take your eyes off the road. Isn't that what I hear about some of those higher end sports cars in Europe?

I'm not saying we need a law that says "watch the road", and I agree, at least a little, with Jody, in that this is a slippery slope, but we, as a society, cannot seem to monitor ourselves with these matters. It would be pretty easy.. Next time your friend is driving, giving someone directions to the great new bar, or to the party while driving, grab the phone or yell at them to watch the road, or just insist that the car be stopped. It's your life they have in their hands too. I guess this might be my own lack of trust for other drivers showing through, but come on.

We are human, this society seems to be pretty dumb (Bush put in office twice? War without proof? WWF wrestling?), and unfortunately, it is the few that this law is intended to corral or dissuade.

So, all in all, I partially agree with the law due to people being people, and people being dumb. I hate the fact that this law needed to be enacted, because it does infringe on my rights/privileges. And it is a slippery slope we are on, but it's not the only front that our rights are being smoothed away.
The user formerly known as stzzo

Armchair climber
Sneaking up behind you
Jul 1, 2008 - 10:55am PT
Call me reactionary, but I think that the car should not be equipped with drink holders.

Perhaps there needs to be a law that cars cannot be equipped with drink holders ;-). Same with radios and heating / air controls...

I hate the fact that this law needed to be enacted, because it does infringe on my rights/privileges.

All laws infringe on your privileges :-). It's always a question of public good vs. personal convenience / pleasure.
dirtbag

climber
Jul 1, 2008 - 11:05am PT
Since he is a highway safety officer, I value Jody's opinion.
drgonzo

Trad climber
east bay, CA
Jul 1, 2008 - 12:08pm PT
My wife has a Camry hybrid (company car) with a graphics console through which you interact with the GPS, bluetooth, radio, CD player, and all the fancy displays associated with the hybrid stuff. I find that gizmo to be a certifiable danger to safe driving.

And those minivans and SUVs with DVD players in the dash? Forget about it.
Nefarius

Big Wall climber
Fresno, CA
Jul 1, 2008 - 12:09pm PT
You guys jest, however, there were attempts to tack on laws prohibiting you from smoking, eating or drinking beverages while driving...

Jody

Mountain climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 1, 2008 - 12:10pm PT
You can't drive and smoke...if there are kids in the car. As of now in CA.
bachar

Gym climber
Mammoth Lakes, CA
Jul 1, 2008 - 12:16pm PT
Next thing ya' know, they'll be printing up fancy paper bills and calling it "money"....
locker

Trad climber
Joshua Tree Ca
Jul 1, 2008 - 12:20pm PT
I am 100% for the NO CELL PHONE WHILE DRIVING laws...

People are so fuking ATTACHED to their LEASHES that they can't wait and talk later???...

they have to do it while driving???...

WTF???...

BULL SH!T!!!...



Jack Burns

climber
Jul 1, 2008 - 12:22pm PT
It's hard trying to reload a revolver while driving. Gotta get one of them semi-autos one of these days.
locker

Trad climber
Joshua Tree Ca
Jul 1, 2008 - 12:36pm PT
anything that can be done to lessen he amount of accidents each year, SHOULD be done...

IF it saves ONE life, it is worth it...

While driving, you should be DRIVING...

Not fuking off on some TOY...













































PS...

Nothing better than heading down the road to the next climbing destination, taking a HUGE HIT and then turning up the stereo FULL BORE and listening to ZZ TOP...

now pass me YOUR "Cell phone" so I can call ahead to arrange some more "HIPPY LETTUCE"...













EDIT:

"You can't drive and smoke...if there are kids in the car. As of now in CA."...


No problem!!!...

Just fill up a PLASTIC bag ahead of time with tons of smoke and put it over their heads for the duration of the drive...

Why the LAW thinks kids lives are worth a fuk is beyond me...

I think we should be allowed to kill them slowly...

Seems only fair...
Brig

Big Wall climber
SLC, UT
Jul 1, 2008 - 12:42pm PT
radical,

I might have seen you this morning. I don't know how it is done, but I saw a lady this morning texting while driving 65/70 on 87 North with a good bit of traffic. There was a bit of weaving, but she never left her lane. I can hardly drive straight while being fully attentive. I give her 4 months, then she is a "flipped over car on 87 North, slowing traffic to the 101, please find an alternate route for you morning commute as this will take a long time to clear ."

I like the new law, sad it had to be made a law though, now we will probably have to hear for years how the police dept needs more money to enforce it.
Jody

Mountain climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 1, 2008 - 12:45pm PT
No joke Riley...patrolling down the road the other night, car ahead weaving all over the place, solo driver. Light them up, suddenly there is a female in the R/F seat that we didn't see before.


Locker, better ban cars then...any way to make the roadway safer.

I am serious, banning something like drunk driving is one thing, trying to legislate all forms of inattention is ridiculous. What are they going to do, ban looking at the ocean as you drive down highway 1?

I can count on one hand the amount of times a cell phone has been a factor in a crash I have been to in the last several years. Sightseeing while driving is far more prevalent IMHO.
Jody

Mountain climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 1, 2008 - 12:48pm PT
"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."

~Benjamin Franklin and Richard Jackson...1759
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Jul 1, 2008 - 12:50pm PT
It should be much harder to get a license.
Its a privilege not a right.
Could save thousands of innocent lives.



And if you MUST have a weapon while driving get something belt fed so you can keep one hand on the wheel.
Jody

Mountain climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 1, 2008 - 12:51pm PT
Belt fed jams too much.

locker

Trad climber
Joshua Tree Ca
Jul 1, 2008 - 12:55pm PT
"Locker, better ban cars then..."...

GAS = $10.00(???) per Gallon...

What's a CAR???...

Driving and talking on phones is STUPID...

should there be a LAW banning it???...

Apparently there IS...

Point is MOOT...

GOOD LAW in my honest opinion...

no pass me that bong!!!...

the light JUST turned GREEN...

Nefarius

Big Wall climber
Fresno, CA
Jul 1, 2008 - 12:55pm PT
At the same token, most all of the accidents and near-accidents I have witnessed during my daily commute, the person at fault was on their phone, not paying attention. At least twice a week I have a female behind me, on her phone, hands waving in the air, sometimes putting on makeup and steering with her knee, all at the same time, almost rear-end me as we come into heavy traffic and have to slow down/stop. Most times, it's the fact that I am watching the car behind me, as well as the car in front of me that prevents the accident.

Nothing to site-see when you are in the sunken-in bowels of a freeway of hell in the morning.

I'm for the cell phone law. I think it keeps other motorists on the road safe. Unlike the seatbelt or helmet laws...

edit: Oh yeah, three cheers for road head. Now THAT'S worth weaving for! :)
Jody

Mountain climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 1, 2008 - 01:04pm PT
You guys are surprising me. Always griping about "tools" being overbearing and power hungry...and now you have a "tool" that is against being laws and infringement and you are crying for more laws.

I don't get it...
locker

Trad climber
Joshua Tree Ca
Jul 1, 2008 - 01:07pm PT
"I can count on one hand the amount of times a cell phone has been a factor in a crash I have been to in the last several years"...

you're just ONE cop...

start counting the fingers on the hands of the OTHER cops and let's see HOW MANY we come up with???...

I don't BUY it...

I truly believe that cell phones and driving are a DANGEROUS combination...

I, like so many others, have witnessed first had how distracted people are on those fuking things...

ALMOST got NAILED the other day while some woman was pulling out of a parking lot (GABBING on her cell the WHOLE time) onto hwy62... Pulled right in front of me and I HAD to lock it up or T-bone the HEAVY...

there she was...

Looking me square in the eye as I almost SMASHED into her...

she never blinked...

just kept talking as she reversed back into the parking lot...

True story and to me un-fuking-believeable...

WHAT THE FUK WAS SO IMPORTANT that she could not wait???...

Oh yeah!!!...

Frank is going to marry Prisilla on "Days of YOUR boring and lonely LIVES" so you THINK you HAVE to ALWAYS be on your piece of sh!t TOY a$s Cell HEAP...


And then tack in the TEENS that are already distracted???...

Just a matter of time before the ACCIDENT count rises due to CELL PHONE use...




Jody

Mountain climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 1, 2008 - 01:15pm PT
I CAN drive and talk at the same time. Why should I be penalized because some uncoordinated fool can't? I admit, there are times when I see people on the phone and they are being IDIOTS(no offense locker)...however, I am not willing just to pass laws every time some sort of "dangerous" behavior comes up.

What is wrong with citing them if they are abserved violating an existing vehicle code section AND talking on the phone?

I believe happiegirrl posted something to the effect that most officers will end up doing that anyway...I too hope that will be the case.
Jody

Mountain climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 1, 2008 - 01:18pm PT
What I WOULD be for is a ban on "married" homosexuals talking on the phone while driving.
ec

climber
ca
Jul 1, 2008 - 01:20pm PT
In public transit, i.e., buses, it has been illegal for the operator to use a cellphone with or without a handsfree device for some time now. Nonethless, "The call was real important, I had to take it." is the BS excuse I frequently get. 'Don't complain about hard times and earning enough money as I issue out a suspension without pay...

As a climber I relate cellphone use in this arena to a guide providing a sh*tty belay to his clients. 'Both hands on the wheel (rope) and pay attention; keep those in your care safe.
 ec
tolman_paul

Trad climber
Anchorage, AK
Jul 1, 2008 - 01:28pm PT
The sad part is there are so many fools that simply can't ignore a ringing phone, whether they are driving or not. We shouldn't need a law for folks to concentrate on driving. We shouldn't need signs in churches or theaters to tell people to turn their cell phones off. I shouldn't be in a restroom and hear someone answer their phone, while answering the call of nature.

There are many things more important than answering a phone call. And no law will clue in the clueless to that fact.
Jody

Mountain climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 1, 2008 - 01:34pm PT
I agree with tolman...we shouldn't need a seatbelt law either. People should be smart enough to put it on.

Because of inconsiderate idiots, we have this plethora of needless laws.
Forest

Trad climber
Tucson, AZ
Jul 1, 2008 - 02:14pm PT
Jody said:
Cite the people who drive stupidly while on phones. Don't cite the ones who are obeying all laws while talking on the phone.

As you said, the law already allows for this. And yet it doesn't seem to be happening...

He also said:
Because of inconsiderate idiots, we have this plethora of needless laws

Doesn't that mean they're not needless?
Jody

Mountain climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 1, 2008 - 02:32pm PT
Forest, I should have said that because of a FEW inconsiderate idiots, the MAJORITY of us have to abide by a plethora of NEEDLESS laws.

Your point is well taken, however.

Jeff, true story. The party shall remain nameless even though the statute of limitations is up. An officer had just purchased a rack of ribs at the deli for lunch when an injury collision with lanes blocked call came in. That officer responded Code 3, while talking on the radio when needed, driving with his knee when needed, AND eating the ribs. The ribs were finished when he arrived at the scene, no additional accidents were caused, and no sauce was on his uniform.
Dingus Milktoast

climber
NorCal
Jul 1, 2008 - 02:37pm PT
"I shouldn't be in a restroom and hear someone answer their phone, while answering the call of nature. "

Tolman I hope and trust you aren't one of those perve bastards that talks to me whilst taking a piss then are ya? I mean, surelky you don't utter a peep when in a public restroom?

BTW, nothing quite sends THE MESSAGE to an angry client diatribe like flushing the terlit as their flame wears down.

"Yes Mr. Gibson, I completely understand..."

FLUSH!

Ah... sweet sweet justice.

Hands free cell phones for airport and frequent travellers trying to settle 6 business calls whilst hustling from one plane to another, are a blessing from god herself.

My looks very stylish too, very Star Trek.

DMT
Dingus Milktoast

climber
NorCal
Jul 1, 2008 - 02:38pm PT
How about you LEO types start issuing tickets for those noisy goddamned Harleys?

Seems yall don't enforce ALL the laws on the books as it is.

Those f*#ktard harleys are WAY OVER THE POSTED LIMITS for noise pollution.

DMT
Nefarius

Big Wall climber
Fresno, CA
Jul 1, 2008 - 03:00pm PT
Whoa... Dude (jody), this is like you tooling us for wanting to be tooled... The balance is not right in the universe right now. :)
tolman_paul

Trad climber
Anchorage, AK
Jul 1, 2008 - 03:02pm PT
Dingus,

No, I'm one of those folks that figures you should be able to go in and take care of business. It's when the guy in the stall next to you answers, or worse yet places a call. Next time that happens I'll make sure to start flushing, and keep flusing until they end the call.

Nefarius

Big Wall climber
Fresno, CA
Jul 1, 2008 - 03:38pm PT
hahaha

Here ya go, guys!

Something to help you with your restroom etiquette...
locker

Trad climber
Joshua Tree Ca
Jul 1, 2008 - 06:00pm PT
LOL!!!...

"I admit, there are times when I see people on the phone and they are being IDIOTS(no offense locker)..."... (none taken)...

and he one that really got me laughing:

What I WOULD be for is a ban on "married" homosexuals talking on the phone while driving...

now that's funny as hell..
TradIsGood

Chalkless climber
the Gunks end of the country
Jul 1, 2008 - 06:38pm PT
Better still would be for the phones to simply shut off above 2 mph. That way pedestrians wouldn't walk into oncoming traffic, passengers on trains, buses, etc. wouldn't be able to disturb their neighbors, and drivers would not be able to get distracted talking unless they were talking to themselves.

Finally your significant other would not be able to disturb your ride home from work with some errand!

:-)
Jaybro

Social climber
wuz real!
Jul 1, 2008 - 07:04pm PT
Anyone gotten busted on this yet?
locker

Trad climber
Joshua Tree Ca
Jul 1, 2008 - 07:10pm PT
"Anyone gotten busted on this yet?"...

I DEFFINATLY won't be...

Don't own one...

ON the News earlier they showed a couple of people being pulled over and said that Law Enforcement is WATCHING closely for ANYONE using them IMPROPERLY while drving...

GOOD FOR THEM!!!...

"Book em Danno!!!"...

20 to LIFE!!!...
Captain...or Skully

Big Wall climber
Yonder
Jul 1, 2008 - 07:15pm PT
They mean well, but miss the point. The 'average' dumbass can't competently operate a motor vehicle whether he/she is yakkin' on the phone or knot....
rectorsquid

climber
Lake Tahoe
Jul 1, 2008 - 08:11pm PT
If tests show that talking on a hand held phone makes you as bad a driver as being drunk at the legal limit then it damn well should be illegal. Same as with eating, etc...

Your right to do dumb stuff in your car infringes upon my right to not get killed when you screw up. The law is to protect me from you.

Laws to protect you from you are dumb and should all be revoked. I don't car if you wear your seat belt or not.

Dave
Nefarius

Big Wall climber
Fresno, CA
Jul 1, 2008 - 08:31pm PT
whoa! rectumsquid is angry! Glad he's arguing for my side! hahaha
Chaz

Trad climber
So. Cal.
Jul 1, 2008 - 08:43pm PT
My Old Man got into a wreck once because he was looking at the rear-view mirror instead of the road in front of him. Maybe next The Democrats will ban mirrors in cars.
Anastasia

climber
Not there
Jul 2, 2008 - 04:27pm PT
Is this a bitch session? How nice...

I think anyone who lives five to ten miles from work should bike or walk. Anyone who drives one hour or longer to work needs to move. That alone will save lives and money.
Also, I think cell phones should not only be banned from drivers, Cell phones should be banned in restaurants and amusement parks, etc. People need to take off the leash and spend time with the people in front of them.

Oh and this cell phone ban while driving? Good! I like it! Too many close calls because someone is being distracted by their phone. Funny part is they all swear they are driving just fine... That self illusion is the same as driving while drunk, tired, etc. All of these can be sneaky killers, especially since people tend to not get how life threatening they are until too late.

Oh and since this is a bitch session, when will people ever learn how to wipe their feet before entering a house???
AF
tolman_paul

Trad climber
Anchorage, AK
Jul 2, 2008 - 05:03pm PT
I observed a car weaving down the highway today, as I passed I saw the driver was engrossed in a cell phone conversation, it was clear from the facial expression the driver had almost no focus on the road.

It's clear our society is amiss when on the one hand folks cry about how no one should own a gun as they are just constributing to sensless violence, yet a 4000# vehicle travelling at 65 mph which as orders of magnitudes more destructive power than the most powerful gun is just trivially aimed down the roads and byways with reckless abandon.

And there is simple solution to the dirty shoes, we remove them at the door, pretty much standard afair up here.
del cross

climber
Bay Area
Jul 2, 2008 - 05:10pm PT
Would it be against the law to hold a phone that's turned off up to my head and talk to myself?

I have a friend who slows down when he's driving and talking to a passenger. He can't help it. Sometimes he *really* slows down. It's the talking that matters most, I think, not the occupied hand.

I have to agree with Jody that this law is poorly conceived. Driver inattention is a problem that this bit of legislation (or the one following to disallow text messaging and emailing) doesn't properly address.

That said, I'm for it. Slippery slope? Sure, our whole legal system is. I hope this change makes a difference.


It sure is hard to peel back the aluminum foil on a burrito and pick a song on the ipod while shifting gears and changing lanes.
Nefarius

Big Wall climber
Fresno, CA
Jul 2, 2008 - 05:15pm PT
"Cell phones should be banned in restaurants and amusement parks, etc."

They *are* "banned" if you're dining or watching a movie near me. It's called a jammer. Mine looks just like a cell phone. You sit it on the table next to you and it jams the signals of all other phones within a 50' or so radius. I think I paid like $60 for it. No more tense moments in theaters when telling someone to STFU, after being polite 10 times...
Jody

Mountain climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 3, 2008 - 02:01am PT
Nefarius! Where can I get one?

Yes, it IS funny, a "tool" talking to peoiple who WANT to be "tooled".

By the way, I wrote one of those cites yesterday, 23123(a)VC. and the guy went off! Geez he was angry.
GDavis

Trad climber
SoCal
Jul 3, 2008 - 02:04am PT
More importantly, what CAN you do?????



http://www.break.com/index/hands-free-safe-drivers.html
Anastasia

climber
Not there
Jul 3, 2008 - 05:20pm PT
Nefarius,
If that also jams text messages, that "jammer" is a teacher's dream machine.
I want one!
AF

Mighty Hiker

Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Jul 3, 2008 - 05:31pm PT
http://www.phonejammer.com/

It appears to be illegal to sell, own or operate a cell phone jammer in the U.S. I don't know how enforceable that would be. I believe that certain public buildings - police, hospitals, etc - have an exemption, for obvious reasons.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_phone_jammer

Given the obnoxious and sometimes risky behaviour of many with cell phones, I foresee a proliferation of jamming devices.

Luckily, universal television changers are legal, which gives those offended by the overpopulation of televisions in public places an alternative to shooting them.
Nefarius

Big Wall climber
Fresno, CA
Jul 3, 2008 - 05:33pm PT
It jams the phone by sending out a stronger signal than the carrier's signal, on the same frequencies. So the end result is that the phone will show no signal/no service. Calls coming in will go straight to VM, text will not come in until they are out of range of the jammer. They also will not be able to place calls.

The catch is that they are not FCC approved. We were going to put one in the bank lobby (one a bit more powerful) until I found out they weren't FCC legal...

Edit: After reading above post "It appears to be illegal to sell, own or operate a cell phone jammer in the U.S. " - Just for the record, it's not illegal to own one.
Raydog

Trad climber
Boulder Colorado
Jul 3, 2008 - 06:43pm PT
I don't know about any cell phone law...
butt
I seen some bikini's right outside,
should maybe be regulated at the state level,
with STIFF penalties for blowing it.
Too many people having fun, we need more laws.
Jefe'

Boulder climber
Bishop
Jul 6, 2008 - 03:08am PT
Jody, move back to Bishop. No one will bust you for talking on your cell, except maybe Sgt. Clint Comer, but wait, I don't think he is in Bishop anymore. Nor Cal maybe. What a ladies man. Or so he thinks.
L

climber
Jello fan from the City of Lost Angels
Jul 6, 2008 - 03:19am PT
Nef,

$60? The ones on MH's link are way expensive. Where did you get yours? Just curious.

NOT that I'm going to get one...although I might...but I certainly wouldn't use it...not on the loud-mouthed neighbors who sit 3 feet from my window day and night talking on their cell phones instead of using them in their apts. where I'm not held hostange to their moronic conversations. Seriously. Wouldn't dream of using it.

Where'd you find that thing again?
graniteclimber

Trad climber
Nowhere
Jul 8, 2008 - 06:14pm PT

http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-42985#
Russ Walling

Social climber
Out on the sand.... man.....
Jul 8, 2008 - 06:26pm PT
L: all that Buchanan stuff clouding your brain?

Google:

http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.4355
littleirene

climber
Aug 26, 2010 - 04:56am PT
Sometimes people can just get carried away with concentrating on the phone call, and because of other noise factors (traffic etc) they just get louder and louder unintentionally.But now it comes to be easy to shut up the cell phone I dont want to hear,just buy a cell phone blocker for $50,and have a quiet surrounding.
tooth

Trad climber
The Best Place On Earth
Aug 26, 2010 - 10:47am PT
If you watch accident rates you will notice an interesting trend.

People have a certain capacity for risk. More when you are younger, less when you are older. Thus, insurance rates change.



What all these 'safety' features do, (airbags, no cellphones, antilock brakes) is reduce the incident rate initially, and then people adjust their acceptable risk (start driving faster, pay attention to other things) so that they are back where they started.


So accidents per million miles driven before antilock brakes made a dip when they were introduced, just like this cellphone law will cause an initial dip, but then people will find something else to distract them, and nothing will have changed.
tooth

Trad climber
The Best Place On Earth
Aug 26, 2010 - 05:14pm PT
Sorry I used airbags. But antilock brakes, etc. have done that according to studies I have read. Forget the logic, that is history.

What would really decrease accidents would be a big metal spike sticking out of the steering wheel. One of those staring you in the face would make all the other speeding/cell phone/etc. laws unnecessary because it would be easy for people to see and understand cause/effect at each moment.
tom woods

Gym climber
Bishop, CA
Aug 26, 2010 - 05:20pm PT
I got my ticket yesterday. Oops.

The law sucks, but the fine isn't much. I did it. I'll pay the $25 plus court fees.

Is it more dangerous than eating while driving? Different foods have different danger levels. A PB and J? Not a big deal, subway? Taco Bell? Very dangerous.

I don't get why distracted driving doesn't cover this. Why did we need a new law?
Silver

Big Wall climber
Nor Nev
Aug 26, 2010 - 05:21pm PT
Here is an example of why you don't want to be texting or talking on your cell without a hands free device.

I am guilty of doing this but after seeing this I will never text or talk on the phone withhout a hands free device. Just an FYI this is only one picture of several. I will post the others if you like but I suspect you will throw up on your computer if I post them.

Just to let you know as well this man was torn in half. Half under the dash half in the back seat.
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Silver

Big Wall climber
Nor Nev
Aug 26, 2010 - 05:24pm PT
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Here is the incident.

If you want more send me a PM this will cure your kids of texting and driving. I will send you the whole email. Very Graphic stuff.
Mary Moser

Trad climber
Joshua Tree, CA
Aug 28, 2010 - 11:36am PT
My husband got cited and received a ticket for $156.00 and it was only his first offense. Although the CA website states that the first offense amounts to a $20.00 fine, it looks like local agencies can tack on as much extra fees as they like. In this case, it was the County of San Bernardino Sheriff. People should be attentive drivers, that I agree with. However, I also agree with Jody that people who are otherwise obeying all the traffic laws should not be penalized. I also think sending out a text message while behind the wheel is a LOT more dangerous than holding your cell phone to your ear.
August West

Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
Aug 28, 2010 - 05:09pm PT
New Scientist has done some stories over the years (to lazy to look up and link). From the research they reported, hands free doesn't really make any difference. The problem is distraction not coordination (do you drive with two hands on the wheel when not talking on the phone?). So all these hands-free laws are mostly blowing smoke as far as helping the situation.

Interestingly, the studies found that talking on a cell phone, or eating food, or driving drunk, all caused about the same increase in accident rate (they didn't report driving drunk, while trying to eat and talk).
August West

Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
Aug 28, 2010 - 05:12pm PT
Rokjox, if I didn't have to pay for other drivers who were injured when not wearing seatbelts it would be different. But medical rates are based on average damages and taxpayers pay for the unisured.

And I sure as hell don't want to be run over by someone talking on a phone. So I'm for this sort of nanyism.
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Aug 22, 2012 - 11:00pm PT
Hey Jody,

Us Canadians have had our freedom to TEXT while driving removed by regulation. This is unfair. Help free us from the government forcing us to pay attention while driving !

HAHAHAHAHA ! ! !
squishy

Mountain climber
Aug 22, 2012 - 11:44pm PT
This danielleblatchley has two posts, this one resurrected from 2010, just to post an incoherent post and include a link to illegal devices in both posts this account has made...can you say spam bot?
Sierra Ledge Rat

Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
Aug 22, 2012 - 11:46pm PT
Yer rite
I;m agianst it 2
Damn freeway traffic is crazy 2 day

Sent from my Blackberry © Smart-Fone ™
Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Aug 22, 2012 - 11:53pm PT
What I would be for is a blanket law for inattentive driving. In other words, if you are doing something stupid like weaving, 25mph in the fast lane, stopped at a green light, etc...and you are being inattentive due to a cell phone, reading the paper, etc...have an enhanced fine for the observed violation.


I wouldn't like that an officer could easily give you a citation just based on an assumption of inattentive driving. That would be too easy to abuse. At least for a cell ticket they have to either really lie, or see you using the phone

Peace

karl
Jody

climber
35/53k
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 23, 2012 - 12:00am PT
I wagged my finger at a guy talking on his phone today.
Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Aug 23, 2012 - 12:01am PT
Isn't the preferred method to obliterate them, using hood-mounted surface to surface missiles? Homing in on the cell signal, of course?
Loomis

climber
Peklo Vole!
Aug 23, 2012 - 01:29am PT
"I wagged my finger at a guy talking on his phone today"

I bet the guy about shít himself! Bwa ha ha ha...
hillrat

Trad climber
reno, nv
Aug 23, 2012 - 02:08am PT
We all need targeting EMP canons mounted on the roof with heads-up crosshairs and steering wheel mounted trigger system. Dual band to fry cell phones and/or vehicle ECM's. Come on, I know there's an electrical engineer around here somewhere... Could you help me build a real live red button? Pleazzzzzzee?
Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Aug 23, 2012 - 02:47am PT
The other thing is that ever since it became taboo to ever raise income taxes ever, there's all kinds of increases in user fees, fines and stuff to make up for it, not to mention tuition increases (other thread)

Peace

Karl
ec

climber
ca
Aug 23, 2012 - 12:28pm PT
Despite the law, people are still on their phones. In my world, even while operating public transit; talking or texting. The law gives me leverage to discipline with consequence as the 'bus cop' I am. Losing several days of pay is more than the fine from the traffic violation. Accidents involving public transit and electronically challenged operators...well you probably have read the news. 'Same for individuals in their personal vehicles. Not good. A few years ago, a young woman t-boned a 40 foot bus while exiting a driveway; she said she never saw the bus...'on the phone.

On a similar note, I was in a theater recently with the fam and as usual, the profuse reminder to turn off your cellphone was screened. Just as the movie was to commence (trailers), this woman a couple of rows in front of us lights up in our line of sight, her phone to view photos to her man. WTF!? So, I wad a napkin up, toss it and damn if I just about nailed her phone. Anyone who saw the deed kept a poker face as the couple reeled back to see who threw it. They DID get my message and kept it off. My family was mildly embarrassed, however not surprised, as they know I do not suffer fools.

 ec
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Aug 23, 2012 - 12:31pm PT
What I wouldn't give for a device that you could aim at an inattentive driving gabber and instantly turn her device into dog poo.
ec

climber
ca
Aug 23, 2012 - 12:33pm PT
Ron, I thought that you already did!

Oh, that was to turn THEM into dog poo...

 ec
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Aug 23, 2012 - 12:37pm PT
So how the hell is talking on the cell phone any worse than looking at
the video screen on new cars and jabbing at its touchscreen repeatedly?
IMHO that is far worse. Almost as bad as driving with the mother-in-law.

Almost.
Bullwinkle

Boulder climber
Aug 23, 2012 - 12:42pm PT
Jody, did you pull me over on the 101 NB near Templeton about a month or so ago? It was late at night and I was tired trying to make it to the next rest stop to crash out. CHP pulled me over, said I was weaving a bit (I was) checked everything out and told me the rest stop was 10 miles up the road. The officer used my first name, nice guy.

If id been talking on a cell and driving when i was falling asleep that would have been two mistakes, the third one would have killed me My point is I don't feel that the Gov should regulate everything but people and I mean all of us don't use the best judgement all of the time and one less distraction can make a huge difference btw life and death
locker

Gym climber
DUH!!!...
Aug 23, 2012 - 12:43pm PT


Talking on a cell phone while driving SHOULD be illegal!!!...

As if it's so fuking important that it can't wait to pull over or call later...



They should also be illegal at grocery stores...

I am so fuking tired of answering some idiot while waiting in line, only to feel like I am the fuking idiot, because they're actually talking on that fuking little thing sticking out of their ears, not me!!!...

;-/

LOL!!!...

ec

climber
ca
Aug 23, 2012 - 12:45pm PT
Reilly, Funny, you mention that. I saw two vehicles in a row one night on different stretches of hwy where there was like an iPad on the front dash and a movie was playing. A seldom occurrence usually. Maybe the next big hazard. Nah...it'll be Google Glass.

 ec
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Aug 23, 2012 - 12:47pm PT
Talking on a cell phone while driving SHOULD be illegal!!!...

and we will add this to our party's official platform!

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locker

Gym climber
DUH!!!...
Aug 23, 2012 - 12:50pm PT


"and we will add this to our party's official platform!"...


If it's alright with you Norton...

I'd like to also add that it is legal to have ORAL sex with "Blow up dolls"...

Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Aug 23, 2012 - 01:07pm PT
If it's alright with you Norton...

I'd like to also add that it is legal to have ORAL sex with "Blow up dolls"...

perfectly acceptable party "position"

fsck

climber
Aug 23, 2012 - 01:18pm PT
jumped into the colorado river yesterday with my cell phone in my pocket.

good riddance.

10b4me

Ice climber
dingy room at the Happy boulders hotel
Aug 23, 2012 - 02:57pm PT
Talking on a cell phone while driving SHOULD be illegal!!!...

As if it's so fuking important that it can't wait to pull over or call later...



They should also be illegal at grocery stores...

I am so fuking tired of answering some idiot while waiting in line, only to feel like I am the fuking idiot, because they're actually talking on that fuking little thing sticking out of their ears, not me!!!...

yup
Jody

climber
35/53k
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 23, 2012 - 09:18pm PT
No, I am old enough and have enough seniority that I have been on day shift with weekends off for about 3 years now.:) I work in SLO town area.
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Aug 23, 2012 - 09:48pm PT
Congratulations Jody,

That's like achieving blue collar tenure !

It's so nice when a person's work finally isn't an inconvenience to the coddled...
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Aug 24, 2012 - 12:36am PT
Locker.... Is the oral sex with inflatables a gimmick to win over the Scwhing states...?
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Aug 24, 2012 - 01:48am PT
I work in SLO town area.

Oooh, I thought you worked the 395. I feel a run up to Mammmoth in the Lambo is in order.
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Aug 24, 2012 - 04:59am PT
Cell phone law should include a clause banning them completely and replacing them with these:



or they should be implanted under the skin like Dog ID chips

couchmaster

climber
pdx
Aug 24, 2012 - 09:32am PT
Jody said:
"Cite the people who drive stupidly while on phones. Don't cite the ones who are obeying all laws while talking on the phone. "

Nuff said right there.
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Aug 24, 2012 - 11:31am PT
^ Yeah wait until some distracted dumbass on a phone kills me then let some cops conduct an inquisition to determine whether (s)he was driving legally.

We need checkpoints like they have for alchohol where anyone caught with a cell phone in an automobile that is not implanted beneath h(er,is) skin has it immediatley confiscated and pounded into a plowshare.

Jody

climber
35/53k
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 24, 2012 - 09:23pm PT
^would you feel better if you were killed by someone adjusting their radio?

Jody

climber
35/53k
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 24, 2012 - 09:34pm PT
Oooh, I thought you worked the 395. I feel a run up to Mammmoth in the Lambo is in order.

Lambo eh? Is it anything like mine?

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zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Aug 24, 2012 - 09:49pm PT
^would you feel better if you were killed by someone adjusting their radio?

No.

Now I haven't researched this at all, but I do recall seeing some statistics that showed the percentage of accidents (deaths?) due to cell phone usage grossly exceeds the percentage due to e.g. shaving, putting on eye make-up, adjusting the radio, masturbating, talkin' sheeit, etc.

Oddly enough, the researchers found no incidents of people dying (or even having a traumatic injury), whilst driving their automobile and having sexual intercourse. Can't say if this includes both the homo and hetero variants. Necrophilial? - let's not go there, since presumably one or the other was already dead.

Peace.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Aug 24, 2012 - 09:54pm PT
zbrown, I would like to see that study you speak of

the one with the statistics and researchers


would you mind posting a link to it?

thanks
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Apr 15, 2013 - 09:43am PT
My question is why can you get a ticket for a cracked windshield? What is the compelling public safety issue? I understand the tail lights and smog rules. I can see the arguments regarding cell-phones and seatbelts and helmets (whether I agree or not)

But I've never had any concerns about a cracked windshield.
10b4me

Ice climber
Happy Boulders
Apr 15, 2013 - 10:13am PT
Because if the cracks continue to spread, it impedes visibility
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Apr 15, 2013 - 10:28am PT
That's what they say, but vast quantities of empirical evidence that I have gathered suggest that to be a spurious claim of risk at best. But I am also capable of driving safely in the rain and snow. Or when it is dark outside. Even with a severely cracked windshield. Cracks are minor compared to many other common visibility issues.
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Apr 15, 2013 - 10:29am PT
I can barely see out of my windshield as it is... I don't see how the cracks make it any worse.
WBraun

climber
Apr 15, 2013 - 10:33am PT
About laws like cracked windshields and everything else.

You're not supposed to question this.

You are SHEEP and you WILL obey the fuking law!!!!!

It's there because your too stupid take care of your own self.

Other people are there to tell you what to do SHEEP.

Now STFU and obey and do as you're told.

Or else ..... !!!!!
10b4me

Ice climber
Happy Boulders
Apr 15, 2013 - 10:35am PT

I can barely see out of my windshield as it is... I don't see how the cracks make it any worse.

You might want to try some windex
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Apr 15, 2013 - 10:38am PT
Hell, Scandihoovian sheep aren't allowed to drive cars with dents or mis-matched
panels and such! Gotta keep the streets looking good, don't ya know!
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Apr 15, 2013 - 10:42am PT
Good point Werner. Sometimes I wonder if my life would be better if I just followed your advice.

But I'm not particularly excellent at being a sheep. I am getting somewhat better at appearing to be one when it matters.

I will say that a new windshield is a pretty sweet luxury. But I find myself taking more pictures while driving.

You think driving while texting is tricky? hehe try taking pics with zoom while driving unfamiliar roads at full speed.
10b4me

Ice climber
Happy Boulders
Apr 15, 2013 - 10:45am PT
^^^ depending on your deductible, insurance companies will replace cracked windshields for free
Deekaid

climber
Apr 15, 2013 - 11:15am PT

My question is why can you get a ticket for a cracked windshield? What is the compelling public safety issue? I understand the tail lights and smog rules. I can see the arguments regarding cell-phones and seatbelts and helmets (whether I agree or not)

But I've never had any concerns about a cracked windshield.


It is good probable cause to pull you over...sky's the limit from there.
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Apr 15, 2013 - 12:14pm PT
The windshield actually provides support to the structural integrity of the vehicle. A cracked windshield will not be as strong and could result in less protection in a rollover

A windshield is also designed as part of the airbag system. A weakened windshield can cause the airbag to deploy improperly.

I do not own a windshield company, and yes, I drive with cracked windshields until I get a fix-it ticket.
ec

climber
ca
Apr 15, 2013 - 01:54pm PT
My question is why can you get a ticket for a cracked windshield?

I guess you haven't experienced compromised safety glass falling out like sugar...pretty scary, let alone dodging the shards created by it.

 ec
justthemaid

climber
Jim Henson's Basement
May 10, 2013 - 09:53am PT
Let's talk statistics. My last 3 accidents involved other people on cell phones hitting me.
I've never been hit by a drunk driver. Seems like my odds are better with the drunks.
kennyt

climber
Woodfords,California
May 10, 2013 - 10:12am PT
last three accidents, how many do you have total?
pud

climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
May 10, 2013 - 10:17am PT
On my way to a wrap party last night. 101SB into downtown busy as usual.
We are all stop and go at 30 mph when the car left of me doesn't stop and SLAMS her Benz into the SUV in front of her.
I didn't see the phone but unless she had fallen asleep there is no other reason.
This impact may have killed a motorcyclist.

I see cops on cell phones all the time. They drop their phones when I pull up next to them on my bike. It's a joke.

If you don't care about your own safety, that's fine.

Have some respect for the lives of others and pull over to call.

I ride all the time, not texting or calling folks while doing it and my life is fine. I don't miss appointments or meetings and can tell what the weather is by looking at it. I manage three businesses and coordinate feature film fx. You don't need to text/talk while driving.

Try it.
justthemaid

climber
Jim Henson's Basement
May 10, 2013 - 11:35am PT
last three accidents, how many do you have total?


Honestly.. I've lost count. Someone with my luck.. definitely should not be talking on the phone while driving.;)
labrat

Trad climber
Auburn, CA
May 10, 2013 - 02:48pm PT
"I see cops on cell phones all the time. They drop their phones when I pull up next to them on my bike. It's a joke."

I believe the police are allowed to talk on cell phones. They have a waiver. I'm not saying it makes sense......


Edit

California Vehicle Code Section 23123 (d). This section does not apply to an emergency services professional using a wireless telephone while operating an authorized emergency vehicle, as defined in Section 165, in the course and scope of his or her duties.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
May 10, 2013 - 03:25pm PT
Gee, I wonder how us pilots manage to fly, navigate, and talk at the same
time. Maybe there is another factor in play? Granted, we don't do a lot
of tail-gating.
pud

climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
May 10, 2013 - 04:58pm PT

Maybe it's the civilian in them 'cause they sure drop 'em when I ride up.

That, or it ain't 'official business'

Pilots are trained, drivers, not so much.
tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Jul 2, 2013 - 07:15am PT
Riki is a spammer.

cell phone while driveing is 5 times more dangerous than drunk driveing. heard that on NPR. some fancy study.

we have had 5 fatalitys on Rt 4 here in VT all on the same narrow winding15mile stretch in the last two months. all from crossing the crossing the center line. not all the investigations are complete but cell phone blamed in several.
ydpl8s

Trad climber
Santa Monica, California
Jul 2, 2013 - 11:44am PT
I just witnessed this a little over a month ago, boy were people pissed.

http://smdp.com/cops-nab-29-cell-phone-users-in-sting/122343
weezy

climber
Jul 2, 2013 - 11:49am PT
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Jul 2, 2013 - 11:53am PT
I just witnessed this a little over a month ago, boy were people pissed.

Pissed because they got a ticket I hope. Sounds like most of the public supported the sting. I have lost track of how many times I have almost been hit by some ahole on a cell phone.
ydpl8s

Trad climber
Santa Monica, California
Jul 2, 2013 - 01:59pm PT
Yeah, they got tickets, and I'm glad too. Like you, I have almost been run over more than a dozen times by ladies (sorry, it always was) while I was in a crosswalk and they were texting and turning at the same time, trying to "beat the traffic" coming from the other way.
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Jul 2, 2013 - 03:07pm PT
Yeah, they got tickets, and I'm glad too. Like you, I have almost been run over more than a dozen times by ladies (sorry, it always was) while I was in a crosswalk and they were texting and turning at the same time, trying to "beat the traffic" coming from the other way.

Sad to say, I've seen about an equal number of cell phone law violators among men and women, and young and old. Among the mature, it's generally been male contractors in their full-sized pickups. Among the young, it's been more women than men. Overall, though, I just haven't seen enough of a difference in either age or gender to make any generalizations, except that the younger drivers seem far more prone to text and drive than the older ones.

Your statement above, though, causes me some bewilderment. Was the light green while you were in the crosswalk? I have seen a marked increase in pedestrians crossing against the light in California. This used to be exclusively an East Coast phenomenon, and for good reason; doing so here in California is a good way to get killed because of the legality of right turns on red lights.

John
DataMind

Social climber
Jul 2, 2013 - 03:10pm PT
ydpl8s

Trad climber
Santa Monica, California
Jul 2, 2013 - 03:19pm PT
I'm sure there are just as many males as females, just my experience in my town.

The light was green, and the driver in question was in the intersection going to turn left, waiting for the line of cars coming towards the intersection to end. While she was waiting, she was texting, head down and only looking up occaisionally to check if the cars were done coming by. During one of the periods when she was looking down, I started to cross the crosswalk (the pedestrian light was still full on, hadn't even started to count down). She looked up from her cell, saw a gap, and gunned it to make her left hand turn, right where I was in the middle of the crosswalk. I hear her tires squeel, I jumped to the right and yelled, and she slammed on the brakes looking very flustered. By this time there was another car coming from the end of the "gap" she was trying to "shoot" and they squeeled to a stop and layed on the horn. She sheepishly finished pulling left and I jogged to the other side of the street, my heart pounding. When she had stopped at an angle in the intersection, her left front bumper was less than 6 in. from me.

Edit: And yes, now if I see person in the middle of the intersection not looking up and paying attention, I wait for a full cycle of the light to make my crossing.
nutjob

Sport climber
Almost to Hollywood, Baby!
Jul 2, 2013 - 03:55pm PT
Pedestrians should now carry an air horn from a boating supply store.
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Jul 2, 2013 - 03:59pm PT
If I wish to answer my cell phone while driving I do so...Although I make a point to focus, to pay even closer attention to everything if I do.

GFYS if you don't like it.

popo's

Catch me if you can.

My livelyhood depends on phone calls.
rectorsquid

climber
Lake Tahoe
Jul 2, 2013 - 04:25pm PT
People on the phone are as dangerous as drunk drivers. The law is meant to protect me from you. It's not like a seat belt or helmet law.

People who cannot control themselves or their cars have no right to be driving.

Dave

P.S> Go hands free. Holding that thing is a serious part of the problem.
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Jul 2, 2013 - 04:35pm PT
You worry to much about me.

I'm not your problem. Lotsa uncoordinated folks out there. And going one handed is not the main problem. It's the fact that a lot of humans cannot concentrate on their driving while talking on a cell phone. Or talking period. Others have more difficulty if their hands are involved at the same time.. some don't.

Some can drive just fine. One size fits all law for a situation that is a little more complex than that.

The only time I don't use a phone while driving is if it's busy enough that I cannot also keep an eye out for cops while doing everything else very safely. Even then I'll usually risk it and skip the half mile+ scanning and some of the rearview mirror scanning.

However I do usually pull over or call back when I have to start taking notes.

Be fun to do some driving tests to prove it.

Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Jul 2, 2013 - 04:40pm PT
P.S> Go hands free. Holding that thing is a serious part of the problem.

Not really true

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57588876/even-hands-free-texting-while-driving-is-dangerous-study-finds/

It is true that you can sometimes talk on a cellphone and drive safely. however the conversation can turn from mundane to highly distracting very quickly, that is when it becomes dangerous.


Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Jul 2, 2013 - 06:38pm PT
5 years later I wonder if Jody feels the same.

I'm getting an airhorn!

Gotta also wonder what the guy that hit me and ran last month was doing.


They should make all phones and headsets cease to function when moving!
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jul 2, 2013 - 06:43pm PT
They should make all phones and headsets cease to function when moving!

They should make the whole 'infotainment' system frozen while moving.
That includes the satellite radio with 900 channels.
CalebMcanelly

Gym climber
CA, NY, USA
Jul 17, 2013 - 03:35am PT
In your mind what is a GPS jammer and what can it do to help you? Only when you are in the situation that the GPS jammer is need you will understand how important and useful such kind of device is. Gaining more knowledge of the device? Just start and then you will have access to the best GPS jammer.
tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Jul 17, 2013 - 06:59am PT
5 fatalitys this summer on our east to west rt4 that runs through the towns that i live in . all on a 15 mile winding stretch w lots of turns and no shoulder. most cell phone incidents. cross the center line while looking at phone head on tractor trailer. i was doing carpentry on the local funeral home the week that we had two in a few days. One mom found with the phone in her lap.....
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jul 17, 2013 - 07:07am PT
There's an app for that.

GPS enabled early warning system. Driveris warned by a wiggling steer wheel (don't pull up!).

Pedestrian is warned by funeral music.

When the bluetooth is close enough to work, it starts playing the Last Rites.

DMT
okie

Trad climber
Jul 17, 2013 - 08:47am PT
I am more distracted by watching out for the fuzz when I am on my phone than anything else.
I'm not down for passing laws such as this. So many people relate these type of issues to just their personal experience without thinking about the implications of what kind of society is being engineered: "man that guy's an idiot, so lets take away everyones rights."
Climbing would definitely be illegal in such a world. Driving would be severely restricted as well.
It is astonishing how many folks are willing to give up their freedom. I don't want to give up even the smallest bit of freedom. Once it's gone will ya ever get it back?
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Jul 17, 2013 - 08:53am PT
However I do usually pull over or call back when I have to start taking notes.

Well, thank god for that!

I don't like the hands free law. At least when people are actually talking into the phone you can see that and get the f*#k out of their way.
Bad Climber

climber
Jul 17, 2013 - 08:54am PT
As an avid cyclist, I'd be totally happy with a complete ban of cell phone use in cars by the driver. A number of studies now show that hand held or hands free doesn't matter. It's the weird turning inward of the attention to the conversation that is the problem. While I agree it is possible at SOME times to talk reasonably safely, it could also be argued it's possible to drink a bit and drive safely sometimes. I read somewhere that being on a cell phone and being at about the legal limit with alcohol reduces one's reaction time about the same.

Turn off the damn phone and drive. We don't need more distractions.

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