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Jaybro

Social climber
The West
May 30, 2008 - 07:18pm PT
"9 out of 10 Youtubes on McCain reveal a dottering, flip floppin old dilly wagger."

 nice wording! Not that it isn't the truth.

like fish in a barrel...
WoodySt

Trad climber
Riverside
May 30, 2008 - 07:40pm PT
There's another factor that I've not seen discussed yet and is very real: experienced voters have learned that giving the government--executive and congress--to the same party usually results in poor government. To what degree this will play, I don't know; but it will play. Too many STopians are seeing what they want to see at this point. I wouldn't bet on either at this juncture; however, my instincts tell me that McCain is stronger across the country than some think.
Mtnmun

Trad climber
Top of the Mountain Mun
May 30, 2008 - 09:30pm PT
McCain=Bush =




=




skipt

Mountain climber
Rice, Washington
May 30, 2008 - 09:57pm PT
Hey Mtnmun,

You say,

"McCain = Bush"

Many others also say,

"Obama = Reverend Wright"

I guess according to you both would be correct, and you would be terribly mistaken.

Are you sure you want to use your post in such a tired and obviously wrong headed way?

What the heck, it's your nickel,


Skip

EDIT:Hey wildone,

You said,

"SKIPT- If you're so sure, let's put some money on it. I'm dead serious. Talk is cheap. You can blather all day about how McCain (give me a break!) is going to trounce Obama. In the end, it's just weightless words."

You need to reread my post, I said no such thing. I corrected the original thrust of this thread, something that the original author honorably clarified himself.

I guess in a "wildone" world this is called "blathering all day long."

Just so I can help you not make any more mistakes I'm telling you this:
I doubt if Senator McCain will "trounce" Senator Obama in the election. Just like I doubt Senator Obama will 'trounce" Senator McCain in the election. As many on the other side of the political aisle from me have demonstrated so clearly, "At this time in history, it's just too close to call."

But if you want to bet, I'm up for it. I don't bet for money but I am willing to start a congratulatory thread if Senator Obama becomes our President. A thread that is honorable, a thread that is humble.

Are you willing to do the same for a President McCain?
Mtnmun

Trad climber
Top of the Mountain Mun
May 30, 2008 - 10:22pm PT
Well skip, we've seen Bush, with McCain’s nose right up his ass, drive our country into recession.

They have used false propaganda to lead us into a war for their profits. During the process they murdered 10s of thousands of innocent Iraqi's. I call that evil in my book Skipt.

Horrible foreign policy, bad decisions and this ridiculous war have given us a record deficit at the cost of over 4000 of our soldier’s lives and a mangled force returning to America and not properly cared for.

Alqeida is stronger than ever, Osama is still on the loose.

When the oil companies announce their next quarter earnings there will again be record profits. The Repubs know how to line their pockets at the cost of thousands of jobs sent over seas.

I find them hypocrites when the Repubs say no to stem cell research in the name of religion, opposing a womens right to choose, opposing gay marriage, but supporting the murder of war. WTF

Millions of Americans are loosing their homes. No one has been minding the store for eight years.

There is no incentive for America to lead the world in alternative technology. We have a president in the oil business Sipt and McCain will carry on the good ol boy policy until we are driven out of the universe.

I loathe everything Bush and McCain stand for.

They are Evil
skipt

Mountain climber
Rice, Washington
May 30, 2008 - 10:32pm PT
Hey Mtnmun,

Wow, I guess It really sucks to be you. I am truly sorry. Do you want to take something for it?

It amazes me how many hate filled people are such Obama for "hope" fans.

But hey, if profanity is how you show your seriousness and insight, go for it. Glad I could oblige you.

(You can thank me later.)

Skip
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
May 30, 2008 - 11:20pm PT
What a slugfest.

Both in the primaries and here on ST.

I am really pissed off that I do not have a viable candidate to vote for.

But I would suppose that anybody running for the POTUS is not going to be above politics as it is.

McCann = Bush

Hillary = no nomination

Obama = the second coming of Christ







Please, give me a break....


...or at least a decent candidate I can vote for.


Hope lives eternal.


or is that springs eternal? I always get confused this time of year until the summer solstice.


(CUE: those who do not agree with me can use the word 'confused' against me)
John Moosie

climber
Beautiful California
May 30, 2008 - 11:27pm PT
Hey Skip,

Is it really any better to use a snide and dismissive tone versus a profanity? Just wondering.
nita

climber
chica from chico, I don't claim to be a daisy
May 30, 2008 - 11:38pm PT
OMG..he said ASS.....You hear worse from 5th graders.

Shame on you Mtnmum.......... NOT..........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsXwvuWK_T4&feature=related



Captain...or Skully

Social climber
Idaho
May 30, 2008 - 11:41pm PT
But John McCain Is at best a 'turd' , & worst a stinking turd.Not a viable choice. sketchy. At Best.
Dingus Milktoast

climber
NorCal
May 31, 2008 - 04:22am PT
McCain's problem is a good portion of his own party hates him.

DMT
skipt

Mountain climber
Rice, Washington
May 31, 2008 - 08:37am PT
Hey John Moosie,

You asked me,

"Is it really any better to use a snide and dismissive tone versus a profanity? Just wondering."

To answer your question directly, "You bet it is."

But I understand what you are saying, point taken.

The amount of vicious hate coming from "Obama" supporters is overwhelming. How do you answer profane attacks?

So, go ahead and lead.

You explain to all of us what the best way to correspond in a political debate is. I'll follow.

And like you, I'll follow: "in good style."


Skip
Mtnmun

Trad climber
Top of the Mountain Mun
May 31, 2008 - 09:01am PT
I don't hate skipt, I see it as a moral issue. I see it as an economic issue. I see it as an environmental issue and the stewertship of our beautiful planet.

You have addressed none of the issues. You have catagorized Obama supporters as haters, tell us what is McCain going to do to make our lives better?

The Warbler

climber
the edge of America
May 31, 2008 - 09:10am PT
"The amount of vicious hate coming from "Obama" supporters is overwhelming..."

Whatever it takes, whatever you call it, as long as it's overwhelming (in Nov.) - it's all good.
philo

Trad climber
boulder, co.
May 31, 2008 - 10:02am PT
The Woodstroke said; "There's another factor that I've not seen discussed yet and is very real: experienced voters have learned that giving the government--executive and congress--to the same party usually results in poor government".


That does explain the disaster this administration has been.

But at least we can be greatful there were no oval office blow jobs.
The Warbler

climber
the edge of America
May 31, 2008 - 10:05am PT
From blow jobs to snow jobs.

Which do you prefer?
skipt

Mountain climber
Rice, Washington
May 31, 2008 - 10:06am PT
Hey Mtnmun,

You said,

"I don't hate[,] skipt, I see it as a moral issue. I see it as an economic issue. I see it as an environmental issue and the stewertship of our beautiful planet.

Let me say this,

If you are not a hater, than I apologize. While I do, indeed, type with a "sharp keyboard" it is not my intention to mis-characterize your efforts.

But my original observation does seem to be correct for many Obama supporters as the post just below your's states outright.

It comes from "The Warbler"

First he quotes me,
"The amount of vicious hate coming from "Obama" supporters is overwhelming..."

Then he goes on to give the reason for his "hateful spirit."
"Whatever it takes, whatever you call it, as long as it's overwhelming (in Nov.) - it's all good."

See what I mean? .... Watcha' gonna do?

Back to my original message:
Again, I do not want to mis-characterize the intent of your post. And, for correcting me, I say thank you.

As for the rest of your post,

"You have addressed none of the issues. You have catagorized Obama supporters as haters, tell us what is McCain going to do to make our lives better?"

The original point of this thread was to demonstrate the overwhelming numbers that John McCain is up against, and all I did was point out the folly for such a reading from the national polls.

My intent here is not to sway any of you, but rather to keep with the original intent of this thread and deal with the reality of what the poll numbers really mean.

And with that, many from the other side have agreed.


Skip
weschrist

Gym climber
Davis
May 31, 2008 - 10:32am PT
Polls don't mean sh#t.

Especially polls this early.

WTF is wrong with you people?

McCain is an old douche bag that smells worse than the Bush from whence he came.
John Moosie

climber
Beautiful California
May 31, 2008 - 11:17am PT
I agree with you too Skip, I don't think it is a done deal. Although I do think that some folks are correct that say the polls don't really mean anything until the Dems pick their candidate.

As for the anger, I think there is something to be learned here. Those folks who usually vote Democrat spent a whole lot of years putting up with attacks on Bill Clinton because he was a womanizer. We listened to a whole lot of hatred that usually ignored whatever good was being done, such as balancing the budget for the first time in years and years. This all from Republicans who claimed to be for fiscal responsibility. Then we listen over and over to Republicans saying that Dems aren't fiscally responsible, even though recent history shows it is the Repubs who spend more.

Personally I get tired of folks not paying attention to facts. I also got fed up with the constant barrage of attacks. It built up an anger in me.

Then we got George Bush. The repubs had complained about Bill Clinton lying about having sex, but couldn't see that their chosen leader was lying about an issue that seemed much more important. Most folks that I know who were Dems knew that Bill Clinton was lying about not having sex "with that woman". I personally was embarrassed for Bill Clinton when he made that foolish error. Yet I could take some comfort in the Good he seemed to be doing, at least as concerns the budget.

With George, we got lies and more lies plus arrogance seemed to be on sell 10 for a dollar at walmart. Everyone wanted to show that they could be more arrogant then the next person. So more people became pissed off and they attacked and attacked George Bush. I include myself in the ranks of those who attacked.

Now we have a new election coming up and instead of focusing on the issues, we have more personal attacks.

So what have I learned. I don't think I am finished learning, but there have been a few things I have learned.

As an American, I can't just vote and then close my eyes for the next four years. I can't be a lazy voter. That applies wether I am a Republican or a Democrat. I learned that I didn't like the reputation of Dems as being fiscally foolish, and so I started speaking up to my chosen leaders to pay more attention to not wasting money and not just throw money at a problem.

Another thing I have learned and am learning is the need to turn the other cheek if I really want to learn anything or if I want to keep things from devolving into just a bunch of name calling. I still fail at this from time to time so I hope for forgiveness and in return I am willing to forgive. First if necessary by turning the other cheek.

To some these might seem like quaint ideas, but I have seen them work. I have better conversations and I learn more about my fellow man, a person I will have to work with if I hope to help solve any of the serious problems America faces.

These are what I consider to be serious problems. And not in any order.

An over blown tax system.....When the head of the IRS admits he doesn't know half the tax codes, then something is wrong.

An out of control budget with a growing national debt. I don't like passing debt on to our children.

A failing education system. Teachers cant afford to buy homes where they teach. Kids aren't safe. We don't seem to be able to weed out the worst teachers. We are falling behind so many other countries when you use to be close to first. And on and on. We seem to be going backwards even though there are many many devoted professionals in the teaching profession.

A health system that ignores 20 percent of our population. This is unconscionable to me.


A broken immigration system.

I am certain I am forgetting some issues, I could go on but these seem to cover much of what concerns me.

So what does America focus its might, its will, its energy? The war on terror. A war that in my mind is really about dealing with a few hundred to a few thousand people who are pissed at life and are willing to hurt others to show how pissed they are. They are a nail sticking up and we keep hitting it with a steam roller instead of a hammer. We seem to have lost our minds. It is estimated that we will spend more then 2 Trillion dollars on this issue. That boggles my mind. We may have slowed the terrorist down from attacking us, but we have created more of them. So this will be an on going thing for the rest of our born days. That doesn't seem like a good solution to me.

In the meantime we cut school budgets and then wonder when the best teachers leave and our schools fail.

So you wonder if I am angry. Yes I feel a sense of anger, but more a sense of frustration that we can't seem to have real open dialog without devolving into madness. And I am willing to point the finger at myself here.

There is another issue I have forgotten. When did we become a country that thinks it is okay to torture people? Somehow I missed that shift. I remember studying about WW2 and talking to my family members who served during this war and America did not stand for torture. We understood that we might miss out on some important information, but that was better then falling to the level of being torturers. Personally I think we have become chicken( add your own profanity here)

I think you have claimed to be Christian, I am not certain and if I am wrong, then I apologize. But Jesus said that if we seek to save our physical life, then we risk our eternal soul. This doesn't mean we can ignore our physical temple, it means we don't place our own safety above doing what is right.

It astonishes me that someone like McCain, who has been tortured, can look the other way and in essence give his blessing to America becoming Torturers of human beings. I can not and will not ever accept torture as being a reasonable solution.

In conclusion, we can leave off our anger and start figuring out how to talk together and work together, or this boat can sink. America is still a great country and I love it, but I see the writing on the wall. We have started torturing people because we are afraid. We have started attacking countries because we are afraid. The bible says we will reap what we sow. Science says that for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. If we don't learn to respond to each other from a position of Love, then we will reap the anger and fear we give out. Including the anger of war. This is not a legacy I wish to leave our children.

Thanks for listening. I hope this helps you understand me better. I apologize for the length. I know some don't like to read mini novelas.

John



Lost Arrow

Trad climber
The North Ridge of the San Fernando
May 31, 2008 - 12:44pm PT
7$ for a gallon of Gas. Food prices through the roof.

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