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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Apr 28, 2008 - 03:21pm PT
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Karl - I loaded this whole thread and copied to the clipboard (2 Ghz iMac G5 w/ 2 GB RAM,
and it tool just over 5 minutes. Also loaded in to MacBook with 3 GB RAM, just over 4 minutes.
However, when I pasted into MS Word 2008, the beach-ball spun, and is in fact still spinning on
both machines over an hour later. I'm gonna look for another app to try this with...
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Apr 28, 2008 - 03:25pm PT
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I don't think you can make a blanket statement about runout routes.
Bruce, I totally agree with you here, and nutjob did a good quick run-down of some of the reasons we see runs.
It is interesting to ponder how routes that we consider to be done in the best style (bottom-up) can still have holes in them (no pun intended). I mentioned the BY specifically because it's a route that's held in high esteem. How dare I call it contrived! Yet, look at the fact.
Perhaps Bachar or Yerian will say "We did the route with the fewest possible holes, yet left a route that can be safely climbed."
It's a game we play, and we all bend the rules so that what we do fits into our own idea of what is acceptable. I know staunch stylists who will stand on a bolt to drill rather go back down. The rules bend just enough to allow your version of vision.
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Apr 28, 2008 - 03:28pm PT
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Update: (actually, a Bullshít Filler Post™ disguised as an update)...
Just pasted all posts up to 1958 into Apple's Pages app, and it took a mere 55 sec on the iMac.
Hang on to yer seats - well over a quarter of a million words!!
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Loomis
climber
Lat/Lon: 35.64 -117.66
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Apr 28, 2008 - 03:29pm PT
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Wow, this is better than a movie
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Matt
Trad climber
primordial soup
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Apr 28, 2008 - 03:32pm PT
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you gotta start seeing some better movies pal
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Apr 28, 2008 - 03:36pm PT
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LOL!! Good one!
BTW, TiG - I actually wanted the images and formatting to appear in the document.
This is yet another example of why MS sucks and Apple rules...
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TradIsGood
Chalkless climber
the Gunks end of the country
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Apr 28, 2008 - 03:48pm PT
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If you say so...
But seriously, with the amount of html, scripting, and style stuff in the taco, I wouldn't use the ability to convert this page into a particular word processor format and render it as a measurement of computer worthiness.
:-)
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Apr 28, 2008 - 03:52pm PT
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It seems Pretty obvious by the number of repete ascents that the BY is a great Classic. Do any of you think that we would even remember the name of the BY if it was so absurdly sketch that no one bothered to repete it? Would Southern Bell be remembered if Hank didn't get hurt on it?? Southern Bell has certainly gained a large part of its name recognition just from this thread. There Certainly are pleanty of death routs out there that just fade into oblivion.. Just a few more rusty 1/4 inchers stakeing claim to what could have been a great rout......
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Apr 28, 2008 - 03:57pm PT
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I think Knott!!
2000 posts would not take up over 1000 printed pages. Try again.
If I've read 1000 pages here, I'm ashamed at my use of time.
Of course I'm already a bit ashamed but over 1000 pages, no way
Peace
karl
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Roger Breedlove
climber
Cleveland Heights, Ohio
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Apr 28, 2008 - 04:09pm PT
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Hey, you guys better be careful.
P2K is powerful and potentially dangerous stuff. Aside from all the broken Window panes and traffic lights that signal green in all directions, bolts are likely to start popping out without provocation.
Posts will start disapearing and there is even talk of time reversing. Loose talk probably, but are you willing to take the chance?
Buzz
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Apr 28, 2008 - 04:14pm PT
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Roger that
I predict P2K will cause a computer abnormality where the thread will actually go back in time, back and forth, until someone with claims to bandwidth waste and idiocy occupies the post 2000 slot. Until that time, we face 20 to 40 posts of potential nonsense (like this one)
Only you can stop retro-posting!
Peace
karl
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Apr 28, 2008 - 04:17pm PT
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Hey! some of us are still argueing here so you wankers with the the fluff posts need STFU so we can ARGUE GOD DAMN IT!!!!
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Blowboarder
Boulder climber
Back in the mix
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Apr 28, 2008 - 04:21pm PT
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postcount ++
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couchmaster
climber
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Apr 28, 2008 - 04:29pm PT
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I will say, although when I started reading this, I felt and said that Yos has been and should continue to be a bastion of stylistic purity, ie bottom up climbing. However: I have to say, my thinking is changing as I read. Maybe it's the Karl™ influence.
Thinking of the difference between Southern Belle and GU, I don't know why you dudes feel so proud of Southern Belle. Ya got up it once Coz, and as you say now you're too scared to try it again. No one else even wants to try. So what? This young man Sean showed some heavy consideration of those who will follow him, and it took a lot of moxie hard work, time, skill and money to have done so. He could have banged in some cheap steel 1/4" bolts and been in and out quickly. Your calls for chopping seem to show a selfish self-absorbsion, your way only or the highway.
Did you do likewise on SB and consider others? No you just tried to get up it the easiest way possible and felt lucky to have done so once, you thought of yourself and f* everyone else eh? As Karl points out, what they generally call that is "selfish™ ", not proud.
Somehow you think GU as a ground up poundfest aid route which in turn would later be attempted free would be better. I think not, and accept Doug Robinson's explanation as not just viable but truthful and honest. This ain't the end of the world. You copping the route would be selfish beyond belief.
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BTW: I have not seen this addressed in the other few thousand posts yet: Is it ethical to read this from the top down or do you have to read only bottom up?
Post #1979 or so depending on how many get deleted.
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Norwegian
Trad climber
Placerville, California
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Apr 28, 2008 - 04:30pm PT
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ive been outta the loop for many many posts.
i thought some guy was promising to chop this route? did it happen. i recal a date in april when he was scheduled in the valley? hadn't he the balls?
this obsession with post count is very... critisizable. a minor celebration of man's folly.
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Matt
Trad climber
primordial soup
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Apr 28, 2008 - 04:37pm PT
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'member when walter payton was the 1st back to gain 10k yards?
he got the record-
then he got tackled for a loss-
then he got the record again, pretty funny.
so, how many of us will get the 2000th post?
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divad
Trad climber
wmass
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Apr 28, 2008 - 04:55pm PT
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Who cares who makes the 2,000th post or the 10,000th post? The proudest post, the one that drew the line in the sand, has already been made.
It was the first post.
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Apr 28, 2008 - 04:55pm PT
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Prediction: Matt will now post 30 - 40 junk posts in a row, to ensure he's bracketed P2K. No matter if a few get added or deleted, he's on the money.
And we haven't even yet really examined the style in which Karma was established. I mean, just because Ken had a bunged up leg is no excuse for an impure ascent involving jumaring and other awful sins. :-)
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Clint Cummins
Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
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Apr 28, 2008 - 04:56pm PT
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couchmaster (and others),
> Thinking of the difference between Southern Belle and GU, I don't know why you dudes feel so proud of Southern Belle. Ya got up it once Coz, and now you're too scared to try it again. No one else even wants to try. So what? This young man Sean showed some heavy consideration of those who follow him, and it took a lot of moxie hard work, time, skill and money to have done so.
> Did you do likewise on SB? No you just tried to get up it the easiest way possible and felt lucky to have done so once, you thought of yourself and f* eveyone else eh? What they call that "selfish™ ", not proud.
Sorry, but Coz can't be blamed for the runout nature of Southern Belle. Remember, Coz just did the FFA with Schultz. The FA (above p3) was done by Schultz and Shipley - they established its runout nature. Please look at the FA/FFA info. Shipley is no longer of this earth, and Schultz is probably too busy making $$ to post here....
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Loomis
climber
Lat/Lon: 35.64 -117.66
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Apr 28, 2008 - 05:02pm PT
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"The proudest post, the one that drew the line in the sand, has already been made "
The winds of time will fill that line and and the rest of the routes on SFHD, by hook or crook...
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