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karabin museum

Trad climber
phoenix, az
Aug 17, 2018 - 03:12pm PT

Unknown homemade piton set donated by Michael Chessler.
 Anybody know who made these? My feeling is Europe somewhere.


Unknown piton set
Unknown piton set
Credit: karabin museum
Unknown piton set
Unknown piton set
Credit: karabin museum









Steve Grossman

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Aug 17, 2018 - 03:18pm PT
No clue on the last set.
PH might be Peter Habeler but those pitons look a bit older than that.
karabin museum

Trad climber
phoenix, az
Aug 17, 2018 - 04:04pm PT




Steve - nice to hear from you. With the gear threads Supertopo has been quiet for months.



karabin museum

Trad climber
phoenix, az
Aug 18, 2018 - 04:50pm PT



Another few pitons with unknown manufacturer. The lower one is marked with 3 dots which is the markings from Bill Sewrey in AZ, who else marked their gear with three dots?


Manufacturer unknown
Manufacturer unknown
Credit: karabin museum
Manufacturer unknown
Manufacturer unknown
Credit: karabin museum



karabin museum

Trad climber
phoenix, az
Aug 18, 2018 - 06:41pm PT


While I was in Colorado I visited the Gary Neptune Museum. Tons of great historical gear! Gary wasn't there but I ran into him later at the OR Show. So Gary believes the piton is a Dick Williams creation and I show it as a Norton Smithe. Hmmmmmm.

Still trying to figure out the unknown piton as well.

Gary Neptune Museum
Gary Neptune Museum
Credit: karabin museum
I have had one person say the Unknowns are early DMM, another person s...
I have had one person say the Unknowns are early DMM, another person said Denny Moorehouse....which is DMM....but still no mfg proof has surfaced
Credit: karabin museum






thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Sep 18, 2018 - 04:45pm PT
Now I know I've seen the two-eyed proto-KB described before, but can one of you old salts help me out here?


Credit: thebravecowboy

Credit: thebravecowboy
Gnome Ofthe Diabase

climber
Out Of Bed
Sep 18, 2018 - 04:49pm PT
That thing is sweet!









oh, for the pictures below- ILL say I'm 90% sure of the pin,
the 'biner not so much
but I'LL take a stab,
Credit: Gnome Ofthe Diabase
- & say that the
Credit: Gnome Ofthe Diabase
steel 'biner is a Bonaiti,


The pin is Army/Navy. surplus.

thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Sep 22, 2018 - 09:51pm PT
c'mon now you scurvy dogs, what the heck is that last one? for the record, I clipped each one on the way up on their respective pitches, and then they fell out with a shake of the sling on the descent.
Credit: thebravecowboy


Credit: thebravecowboy


Credit: thebravecowboy
Steve Grossman

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Sep 22, 2018 - 10:12pm PT
You're in the Army now...
thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Sep 22, 2018 - 10:14pm PT
That proto-KB looks non-army to me, and I know I've seen them somewhere, while the LA-style thing and steel hardware store 'biner are less curiousity-inducing (imo).
Moof

Big Wall climber
Orygun
Oct 19, 2018 - 10:24am PT
Colorado Nutco history link I stumbled on:
https://therobertreport.net/2017/06/27/colorado-nut-company-a-jaded-history-as-told-by-billy-roos-this-past-autumn-sept-2015-while-sipping-beers-at-the-rocky-flats-lounge/
I've managed to scrounge up a couple I-beam chocks, one 4", one 1 1/2" (my white whale). Now I need to get off my arse and climb again...
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Nov 15, 2018 - 11:43am PT

Not very old, but a new mystery to me: Do you know where these were made?

Steve Grossman

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Nov 17, 2018 - 07:15pm PT
Those look Russian to me. Ushba has offerings that resemble those lower wafer pitons in design.
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Nov 18, 2018 - 09:06am PT

Steve: Yes, they could very well be Russian...
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Nov 25, 2018 - 11:50am PT

Do you know the history of Grivel pitons or when the Grivel pitons below were made?

Grivel pitons
Grivel pitons
Credit: Dahu

The upper piton above is the lower piton below:
Grivel pitons
Grivel pitons
Credit: Dahu
Steve Grossman

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Nov 25, 2018 - 12:36pm PT
Nice finds Marlow!
The finer stamp with the ellipse around it is more recent and likely early 1960s. The other is likely 1950s era and might have belonged to Toni Gobbi or one of the other members of the Gobbi family connected with the operation of Grivel.
Both pitons look to be entirely forged by hand and hence fairly early in production.
Unfortunately historical information and timelines are disappearing from manufacturer's websites making the dating even more difficult as knowledgeable older folks are becoming less accessible. A lot of work needs to be done here that I wish I was in a position to accomplish.
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Nov 25, 2018 - 12:38pm PT

Steve. Cool... thank you for the Gobbi connection...
karabin museum

Trad climber
phoenix, az
Nov 28, 2018 - 07:57pm PT




Marlow - Nice Grivel pitons! The items in this photo are made in the Ukraine distributed by Gear 4 Rocks. I believe all of the items especially the fifi hook were made by Krok in Ukraine.




thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Dec 10, 2018 - 03:22pm PT
Credit: thebravecowboy


not in my possession, but I am wondering what/who/when these are...
Steve Grossman

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Dec 14, 2018 - 08:47am PT
Without a stamp of some sort it is really tough to identify verticals. I have easily more than a dozen mystery verts in my collection. Finding a catalog match is about as good as you can hope for and that often lets you know only country of origin. Lots of work to be done in this area.
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