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Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Mar 25, 2018 - 09:09am PT

Recently I received some pitons carrying the sign G. The pitons arrived with som Fritsch pitons. Do you know who made these pitons? Could the G be a Grivel sign?

The first type of ring piton
Credit: Marlow
Credit: Marlow
Credit: Marlow

The second
Credit: Marlow
Credit: Marlow
Credit: Marlow

Third
Credit: Marlow
Credit: Marlow
Credit: Marlow
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Mar 25, 2018 - 12:00pm PT
Kirk's Kamms sucked so bad we called them the "Swivel O' Death"
Steve Grossman

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Mar 25, 2018 - 12:40pm PT
Marlow- If you bought your gear from the US that "G" might mean Gerry. I recently picked up an early steel biner that had the distinctive triangular configuration that later became the first mass produced Gerry carabiner and it carried a "G" stamp on the spine. The seller was from Colorado.
Those pitons seem handmade enough that it may simply be the smith's stamp rather than anything commercial in nature.
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Mar 25, 2018 - 12:47pm PT

Hi Steve.

I bought them from USA, so then it is Gerry. Thanks!
Do you have them in your collection?
Steve Grossman

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Mar 25, 2018 - 02:57pm PT
The stamp on my carabiner looks to be a reasonable match so you are likely to have bought very early Gerry. Holubar imported and stamped Stubai so Gerry might have imported Fritsch as their own option. Lots of work to do lining up the import sources.
I have lots of Holubar hardware but not so much early Gerry to compare with what you just got. I haven't had time to fully inventory my collection but I would be happy to coordinate with you as a serious and sharing collector.
karabin museum

Trad climber
phoenix, az
Mar 25, 2018 - 06:58pm PT



Besides the common 3 early Gerry pitons in the Gerry catalogs, I have one Ice piton stamped with the same "G." I am guessing that it is a Gerry item.

Ice piton stamped "G" <br/>
- Grossman edit: circa late 1940s / 1950s
Ice piton stamped "G"
- Grossman edit: circa late 1940s / 1950s
Credit: karabin museum
Gerry 1961 catalog
Gerry 1961 catalog
Credit: karabin museum




Steve Grossman

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Mar 25, 2018 - 07:10pm PT
I would put those Gerry pitons in the early to mid 1950s and made by some local blacksmith.
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Mar 26, 2018 - 09:44am PT

Steve and Marty.

I can post Gerry pitons to one of you and then you can share. Who will receive the package?
Roots

Mountain climber
Redmond, Oregon
Mar 26, 2018 - 01:11pm PT
I recall having some pitons stamped with "G"...I'll have to look around for them. Thanks for the Beta G-ents!
Steve Grossman

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Mar 26, 2018 - 05:39pm PT
Marlow-Email me at scgrossman(at )msn (dot) com
How many do you have?
Cheers!
karabin museum

Trad climber
phoenix, az
Mar 26, 2018 - 06:07pm PT


Marlow - You are donating the pitons........Awesome!





karabin museum

Trad climber
phoenix, az
Mar 26, 2018 - 08:03pm PT

from Ashby, Vertical Archaeology


I saw something on the old mystery pro thread on ST. And thought I could ad a bit to the Gerry piton info.
Here are two pictures of a "1947 piton supplement" stating the pitons were a first attempt at an American made piton. They were made locally, I would guess one of the foundries in Denver.
There was one foundry in Colorado Springs that made some small batches of pitons in the 1950s but I think that was a very small custom ordered batch for the Colorado College mountaineering club.

1947 Gerry catalog
1947 Gerry catalog
Credit: karabin museum
1947 Gerry catalog
1947 Gerry catalog
Credit: karabin museum


karabin museum

Trad climber
phoenix, az
Mar 26, 2018 - 08:16pm PT


Steve Ropers steel carabiner <br/>
- Gerry c. early 1950s....or earlier
Steve Ropers steel carabiner
- Gerry c. early 1950s....or earlier
Credit: karabin museum


Tom

Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
Mar 26, 2018 - 08:59pm PT
Tradman, thanks for the info on the A&F piton. I guess the company was different back then, compared to what it is today.



Eiger "Death Oval" carabiners were sold c. 1975, and had a reputation for being dangerous. I think some had the steel pins fall out, or something like that. I had some on the rack, but tried to only use them for racking pins, stoppers, etc. They fell out of favor rather quickly.

Liberty sold a very similar plain vanilla oval carabiner at about the same time, which didn't have the same bad reputation. And, so did SMC, which were a bit more expensive than the Liberty brand, as I recall.

Of course, the Chouinard ovals were the best available back then, but were the most expensive (except for carabiners that were imported from Europe).

Steve Grossman

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Mar 26, 2018 - 10:45pm PT
Marty- Your carabiner is the same as the one I recently got from Paula. I think the "G" stamp is a decent match for the one on the pitons. Those flat ring pitons are the same as the ones shown by Marlow.
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Mar 27, 2018 - 10:13am PT

Here is all the Gerry pitons except one. They all carry a G sign except the upper two right which carry no sign.

Gerry pitons 1940-60 - all with a G sign except the upper two right
Gerry pitons 1940-60 - all with a G sign except the upper two right
Credit: Marlow
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Mar 27, 2018 - 10:26am PT

And here's the mystery. The piton below has the same blueish surface as the G pitons and arrived with them, but there is no G on it. I think the letters seen are M and F or E. Possibly a piton made for Gerry by a blacksmith using his own initials/letters before Gerry started using the G?

Gerry piton? MF or ME sign
Gerry piton? MF or ME sign
Credit: Marlow
Gerry piton? MF or ME sign
Gerry piton? MF or ME sign
Credit: Marlow

Do you know what MF or ME stands for?
Steve Grossman

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Mar 27, 2018 - 11:13am PT
No idea what or who either of those options would be.
Steve Grossman

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Mar 27, 2018 - 11:48am PT
Marlow- I did give you my email up above but here it is again
I can't believe I missed this auction. How long ago was it?
Steve Grossman

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Mar 27, 2018 - 11:54am PT
I hope that you are keeping at least one of each style as they are some of the earliest commercial pitons made in the US and rare as such.
That the ring angles are press formed and not cut from angle stock is noteworthy.
Gerry Cunningham did his best to make good pitons but his expertise wasn't in metalwork. Once Gregg Blomberg started working with him that changed. Gregg went on to start CMI who made some fine pitons.
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