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apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Nov 16, 2013 - 06:40pm PT
Bump 'cuz I really want to hear lots of perspectives on raw vs. commercial petfood diets...
thebravecowboy

Social climber
Colorado Plateau
Nov 16, 2013 - 06:44pm PT
it's tough getting old. Jack don't need to stress it any more. you done him good Chiloe.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Nov 16, 2013 - 06:49pm PT
Do any of you feed your pups a raw meat diet?

My boarder is a pet nutritionist, and he's a big proponent of raw meat diets for dogs. His rationale is based on (in part) the fact that dogs are truly and genetically carnivores, and their digestive system (and mouths/teeth) are designed for meat diets. Further, while dogs have been domesticated for thousands of years, commercial foods have only been around for about ~150 years. He posits that many typical dog ailments are related to the large amounts of grain in typical commercial dog foods.

One may consider his view biased because he also prepares & sells a raw meat food product for dogs, but one also may see this as an outgrowth of a strong belief that he holds. In any case, I've been aware of this for some time, and the raw meat proponent's arguments make a fair amount of intuitive sense.

If you feed your dog(s) such a diet, what benefits or effects have you observed? Have you seen any illnesses in your dog(s) that seemed likely to be related to that diet?

What is the source of your food? The content?
The Larry

climber
Moab, UT
Nov 16, 2013 - 06:49pm PT
Sorry Larry, Jack was lucky to find you. I'm sure you gave him a great life.

David Knopp

Trad climber
CA
Nov 16, 2013 - 08:33pm PT
first, Chiloe, sorry for your best friend.

on to raw food-i am a chef, have a lot of good scraps around-from meats that i would eat-the beagle gets the bone, the cartilage, some skin and flesh, of chicken beef and lamb. he also by choice eats various fruits and vegetables-that combined with a tiny amount of fancy grain and gluten free kibble has kept him pretty darn healthy-he's 10, and just did a long day in the Sierras, 6 miles to around 12.000 feet. So yes i think it's good but dont be too neurotic about it. Buddy the 10 year old is bottom right.

Credit: David Knopp
Timid TopRope

Social climber
'used to be Paradise, CA
Nov 16, 2013 - 09:20pm PT
Apogee. We did the raw meat diet for our dog for three or four years. Huge commitment and more expensive.

On the plus side: typical stinky dog smell vanished. Her poop disolved to white powder and the poop was not stinky. Her coat was super shiny. It helped her bad hips also. Her teeth were very clean.

Minus side: expensive. Lots of prep (we added vitamins and lots of carrots and green beans. Taking our dog on trips was complicated as prepping raw meals and keeping things sanitary is a challenge on the road. Also a challenge for hired dog sitters requiring lots of written instructions.

Amazingly, raw chicken bones are not a problem like cooked chicken.

Our dog was a Lab and she loved it. A friend's non Lab didn't take to it right away but likes it now.

We had guidance from the book, "Natural Nutrition for Dogs and Cats" by Kymythy R. Schultze.

I can't use my PM from ST but nita says if you'd like the book she will mail it to you if you PM her.
apogee

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Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Nov 16, 2013 - 09:52pm PT
Thanks, DK & TTR.

I've heard the same benefits re: waste, teeth & coat.

The product my boarder makes would probably cost around $25/month to feed Max...the good-quality commercial food he's eating right now costs $53/30 lbs, and lasts at least two months. Definitely a cost increase.

The logistics around it sound problematic, too: takes up space in the freezer & fridge, dogsitters have to follow close directions, and like you mention: roadtrips would be a PITA.

Is it feasible to do raw meat at home, and go with kibble periodically? Some don't seem to recommend this, as the digestive process for either is differing...on the other hand, it seems kind of silly that a dog...who's genetically-wired for scavenging...couldn't handle an occasional shift like that...?
nita

Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
Nov 16, 2013 - 10:40pm PT
apoogee, you can NOT go back and forth between the raw diet with dry dog food, it is too hard on a dogs digestive system.

edit apogee, :answer for below question.. With our dog, the two words i would use are...>Bad diarrhea and gas..
email me your addy and i will send you the book...


Aya K

Trad climber
Boulder, CO!
Nov 16, 2013 - 10:40pm PT
I'm not going to get involved in this whole raw food thing, because I don't think there is any one diet that is best for every dog out there, but I will say - dogs are definitely not carnivores the way cats are. Their anatomy and physiology suggest that they are much more omnivorous.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Nov 16, 2013 - 10:45pm PT
nita, I've read the same thing...and far be it from me to put my pup at risk...

But doesn't it seem odd that a dog's digestive tract couldn't handle such a shift (esp. if it's temporary)? Moving from kibble to raw meat is going to require a transition at some point... Anybody have any experience is seeing a dog go from one to the other?

I'm curious about the book mentioned upthread, too.

Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 17, 2013 - 05:15pm PT
eKat, I've got a story for you, coming later.

SCseagoat, FRUMY, Ron, Edge, nita, pocoloco1, thebravecowboy, Larry, David ... thanks for all your kind words about Jack. As another friend told me, "We've been there." On this thread I think just about everyone has.



bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Nov 17, 2013 - 05:36pm PT
Hey Chiloe, sorry about Jack. They seem to come and go into our lives, but they all leave an indelible print. They all leave their unique characters with us.

Sorry, bro....
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Nov 17, 2013 - 07:02pm PT
So sorry to hear of Jack's passing .Chiloe.

Yeah ,we have been there,but,15 years was a heck of a run for your best friend. Cheers to Jack.

Kind Regards,Wilbeer.
Jan

Mountain climber
Colorado, Nepal & Okinawa
Nov 17, 2013 - 10:04pm PT
Sorry to hear about Jack. May his memory and thread live on.
The Larry

climber
Moab, UT
Nov 17, 2013 - 10:28pm PT
Slack pacing himself.
Slack pacing himself.
Credit: The Larry
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 18, 2013 - 04:58pm PT
Cool photo. Larry. Slack looks more be-here-now than any human.
Gal

Trad climber
going big air to fakie
Nov 18, 2013 - 06:51pm PT
Slack is awesome!
FRUMY

Trad climber
Bishop,CA
Nov 18, 2013 - 08:09pm PT
Credit: FRUMY
Credit: FRUMY
10b4me

Ice climber
Bishop/Flagstaff
Nov 18, 2013 - 08:10pm PT
Chiloe,
Sorry for your loss.
drljefe

climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
Nov 18, 2013 - 10:25pm PT
Sorry chiloe

Credit: drljefe
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