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Truethy

Social climber
A state of disbelief
Topic Author's Original Post - Nov 15, 2007 - 01:47pm PT
This one could go either way. In one hand- he is a fascinating individual. Very much like a character out of the Old West.

On the other hand……..
Melissa

Gym climber
berkeley, ca
Nov 15, 2007 - 01:49pm PT
You created an account for this?
Prod

Social climber
Charlevoix, MI
Nov 15, 2007 - 01:50pm PT
This could be a good one.

He's helped me quite a bit and I'm looking forward to meeting him at Sushifest in IC.

Prod.
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Nov 15, 2007 - 01:59pm PT
Glad if I could help Prod, but no Fest in IC for me.
Owlman

Social climber
Montucky
Nov 15, 2007 - 02:00pm PT
"I'm not gonna help you, man. Your'e gonna help him! I mean, what are they gonna say about him after he's gone, huh? He was a wise man. He was a kind man? He had plans...he had wisdom. Bullsh#t, man!"
Tarbuster

climber
right here, right now
Nov 15, 2007 - 02:02pm PT
Love that Dennis Hopper quote from Apoc Now.
Damnit Ron, why not stand around in the snow in IC rollin' it up wit us?
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Nov 15, 2007 - 02:13pm PT
Bad news/ good news.

Oral surgery/ pretty friend nursing me.
paganmonkeyboy

Trad climber
the blighted lands of hatu
Nov 15, 2007 - 02:18pm PT
I wasn't gonna post this in the SW thread, but it seems to me that Ron has been very vocal about what he feels is the evolution of acceptable standards based on the constant influx of new information - IE pounding pitons in soft rock years ago vs the damage the routes see over time, visible now but not in foresight.

I give mad props to anyone that is open enough to see and modify their position like that. Some seem to call it hypocrisy, but I think you have to maintain behavior while telling others not to do it in order for that to be accurate. We live, we learn, we try to do better - that's HUGE in my book...

Now, on the antagonistic side of things - yeah he's rubbing some people the wrong way. Personality ? Not sure if it comes down to any more than that...but I do know that the delivery is just as important as the message, with the flip side being that people are going to provoke a response one way or the other sometimes.

Yes it damages the rock. Would we lose access if someone got seriously hurt or worse trying to raise the bar though ? Lawsuits and land use concerns being what they are, I'm not sure this one is at all cut and dry...one too many lawsuits/rescues/injuries and this whole game is going to change, imho...I'm not saying that's justification, just a valid concern.

One n00b's opinion...
-Tom
couchmaster

climber
Nov 15, 2007 - 02:27pm PT
Ya just gotta love the guy.

Besides that, his routes speak for him as well.
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Nov 15, 2007 - 02:27pm PT
It'd be great to hang for the love fest, but I've got work to do. Catch y'all later.
Melissa

Gym climber
berkeley, ca
Nov 15, 2007 - 02:49pm PT
"Would we lose access if someone got seriously hurt or worse trying to raise the bar though ?"

If loss of access must occur, I'd rather it be b/c because someone raised the bar than because someone lowered it.
paganmonkeyboy

Trad climber
the blighted lands of hatu
Nov 15, 2007 - 02:52pm PT
Good point Melissa...good point indeed.
-Tom
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Nov 15, 2007 - 04:59pm PT
Riley, why did I have to put that bag over my head?


Unfortunately Junior broke free yesterday and has evaded discovery and I'm pretty upset. (Do you think it shows in recent posts?)
Nefarius

Big Wall climber
Fresno, CA
Nov 15, 2007 - 05:14pm PT
Ron's OK. I've talked with him a bit, here and there, in email. We're all quirky, we all have things we do that bug people. Strong personalities are a part of climbing. And, of course, internet forums make us all "experts" and bring out our tough guy syndromes! hahaha I think Ron brings good points to the forums and his posts are, most times, enjoyable to read.

Hope you find Junior and he is well, Ron!

Peace and Hair Grease!
dirtineye

Trad climber
the south
Nov 15, 2007 - 06:15pm PT
Pickaxe Ron's buttons are easily pushed, but it's sooo much fun!


And he does tend to stay in the hot kitchen, LOL.

I confess Ron, I ate your lizard, with some fava beans and a nice Chianti.

But seriously, I bet Ronbo is fun to climb with, and probably a good pal to have, as nearly every other internet butthead I (used to) climb with is like that. There is something about curmdgeonly irrascible climber dudes. I guess they have character or something, and they are interesting. The climbing banter tends to be quite amusing en route.




However, back to the point, it's far more fun and useful to deprecate internet losers who start accounts and post threads just to bash people.
Truethy

Social climber
A state of disbelief
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 15, 2007 - 06:43pm PT
Soil in Visual Orifice,

Didn’t start this thread to bash RonO. Just wanted to initiate a healthy discourse on a thread apart from the Streak Wall thread. OlyO simultaneously launched his Ammon for President thread, so this one sort of evens out the scales of justice.

If there is some character bashing to be done, I have no fatter target than you. But I shall refrain…
dirtineye

Trad climber
the south
Nov 15, 2007 - 06:44pm PT
Spoken like the true dipsh!t you must be.
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Nov 15, 2007 - 06:48pm PT
Why did you start a new account?
paganmonkeyboy

Trad climber
the blighted lands of hatu
Nov 15, 2007 - 06:49pm PT
proud to announce I Hate Everybody...
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Nov 15, 2007 - 06:50pm PT
Tom, I always thought you were very egalitarian.
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