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Dr. F.

climber
So Cal
Feb 10, 2011 - 02:11pm PT
But we can have so much more fun discussing it forever, yes

Randy did apologize somewhat, but he has not agreed to the problems with the FA

He apologized for making me mad, and not waiting for me

and still claims all the glory for the ascent
ydpl8s

Trad climber
Santa Monica, California
Feb 10, 2011 - 02:14pm PT
Things looked a lot calmer when Ron took this picture.

http://www.supertopo.com/inc/photo_view.php?dpid=Pzs1Ozo4KCcr
Murf

climber
Feb 10, 2011 - 02:17pm PT
But we can have so much more fun discussing it forever, yes

Randy did apologize somewhat, but he has not agreed to the problems with the FA

He apologized for making me mad, and not waiting for me

and still claims all the glory for the ascent

At the end of the day, the glory goes to the guys who stood on top first. Not sure who you can argue about that point with.
Dr. F.

climber
So Cal
Feb 10, 2011 - 02:27pm PT
No argument there

But like other tainted ascents

the taint could be mentioned along with the glory

Isn't this waht we do on ST
argue about old things, and talk about getting screwed

I don't give an F about the route now, but I stil love to talk about it
Friend

climber
Feb 10, 2011 - 02:28pm PT
This thread is a riot, I love it. All I would like to add is:

Thanks Dave and Randy for this kick ass route. The two of you are true visionaries.


Here's yet another old (but not THAT old) shot, mid 90s:
Dr. F.

climber
So Cal
Feb 10, 2011 - 02:32pm PT
DE EEE
How do you feel about being a True visionary of the route?

Please tell us
Mike.

climber
Feb 10, 2011 - 02:36pm PT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=So9ukd-VKdk
henny

Social climber
The Past
Feb 10, 2011 - 04:01pm PT
There's a story in the new Josh Classics book about the FA of Crime of the Century (it's been told on the Taco as well). The particulars escape me, but it involves absent partners, poaching of a route, all the same sordid nonsense. At the end, the guy who was left out (Yaniro I believe) was apologized to. His response was along the lines of , "It's just a route, and you guys are my bros. Lets go climbing."

As one of the parties involved I do know a few details.

Ricky (Rockamazo), KP, and myself originally found the route and unsuccessfully tried it a couple of times in super cold weather. KP and I then went back without Rick, unfortunately once again in freezing conditions. Problem was, Tony saw us on it from a distance - later asking us what it was. We replied an unfinished FA. I guess Tony then showed the line to Nick and Mike, who snaked it from Tony. All this while we, the original party still intended to come back to it. So the route was snaked from a snake trying to snake it from snakes that were trying to snake it from Ricky. Does it get much better than that? I mean, one just can't help but laugh at that sequence. If anybody was left out it wan't Tony, it was us. A few times removed - how hilarious.

Who cares? Seriously. Who cares?

Wait... I could have been famous if not for those guys. They stole my route and my glory. None of those guys would have ever become anybody if not for us.

Who cares other than as a historical footnote maybe. And even then. I don't have access to the mentioned story in the book, but I think the fact that we (RA, KP, DH) found the route before Tony is little known. So it's probably not even in the story. If so I've potentially been double ripped off. Not only is my name not on the FA, but it likely isn't even mentioned in the historical recountings. Now I'm really angry. NOT.
Dr. F.

climber
So Cal
Feb 10, 2011 - 04:06pm PT
"Crime of the Century" does not have a loving thread devoted to it

and who said anything about it making you more or less famous

But I'm glad you shared the story

Thats what this is all about, story telling
So Thanks



How are we going to keep this thread going, without more stories
have you ever thought of that?

or would it make people more happy to stop,
and we can all just be mind slaves to guidebook author's interpretations


and as a footnote, if you have any interpretations from my guidebook that need revision, please let me know
henny

Social climber
The Past
Feb 10, 2011 - 05:45pm PT
I believe there was a pretty clear famous implication a few posts back. But whatever, I should have refrained.

Most people probably have little interest in how the FA controversy finally ends up playing out. I doubt most people even want to take sides at all. But if it is felt that it still needs to be pursued, then continue.

I usually refrain from commenting on the subject because I don't have a horse in the race. I'll adhere to that again in the future and not let the thread going negative be bothersome. Right or wrong, it starts to sound harsh after a while.

Dr. F.

climber
So Cal
Feb 10, 2011 - 06:40pm PT
I do not know what the F you are talking about?

The Thread name is "Figures on a Landscape"

The discussion is "Figures on a Landscape"
do you think I made any of it up????
ask Randy

we have a rich history, that is so nice to be documented thoroughly

or do like the revisionist history better?
not me
Dr. F.

climber
So Cal
Feb 10, 2011 - 06:41pm PT
Henny
talking about Rubidoux sounds harsh to you
lighten up man
Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Feb 10, 2011 - 09:06pm PT
Thank you, Craig, for the Yabo story, and Henny, for the snake story. Good reading!

Aren't these things supposed to be resolved by a bolt-out at dawn, each armed with a 1/4" Rawl drill?
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Feb 10, 2011 - 11:08pm PT
Y'all "visionaries" are all worked up about a pretty mediocre route actually.

It is always freezing cold there, the thing never sees the sun.

It has a pretty real choss factor, holds break off a lot.

It has no natural line, it is the opposite of "the line which follows the drop of water from the summit" idea.

It is not difficult. In fact it is over graded.

Some much better routes out that way are Black President, Yardyhoo and Away, Caught Outside on a Big Set, Big Brown Eye, Raging Bull Dike, Middle Age Crazy, etc...

sac

Trad climber
Sun Coast B.C.
Feb 10, 2011 - 11:16pm PT
Ksolem, wow, you really know what you're talking about!

And I'm sooo much better than you!!
Wow.

Great thread! Thanks for the "goods"!
StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Feb 10, 2011 - 11:27pm PT
More pictures dang it!

Original Belay
Original Belay
Credit: StahlBro
Credit: StahlBro
Nick

climber
portland, Oregon
Feb 10, 2011 - 11:33pm PT
Ssssssssssssssssssssssss!

Figures is a great route Craig, I appreciate your vision.
lucander

Trad climber
New England
Feb 10, 2011 - 11:35pm PT
Ksolem is an odd fellow. Next time I post a High E thread, he'll write that the route wanders, is terribly easy, and ponder why anyone would have a good time on it.

Then, he'll say how much better Graveyard Shift, Fat City, and Yellow Wall are - just to let us know that he climbed them.

Figures on a Landscape - worth basing a trip across the continent on. Nuff said.

D. Lucander
caughtinside

Social climber
Davis, CA
Feb 10, 2011 - 11:42pm PT
THis is the thread that just keeps on giving. Thanks to murf for going to the clipboard and keeping score for us.
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Feb 10, 2011 - 11:53pm PT
Good grief! Doesn't anyone here have a sense of humor anymore?

Christ Almighty you are a bunch of up tight geezers ;-)

(But you know I'm right)
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