Repost: Baba's Sermon on Negativity


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Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Topic Author's Original Post - Nov 24, 2004 - 09:19pm PT
In the sprit of making the transition from election and personality negativities to holiday good feelings and some balance between the hate and the love, I'm reposting my sermon on negativity for those who might consider a different perspective on the future direction of internet spray.

For those those who just love to road rage, you can enjoy flaming me on this thread.


Baba's Sermon on Negativity

A lot of the Internet Forums that I enjoy often get wrapped up in flame wars and negativity. I think that's unfortunate as it makes folks miserable and degrades the effectiveness of the communication. When things got really grim once, I posted the following essay in an attempt to provide a perspective for folks who wanted to get off the wheel of negativity:

My experience is that when that I harbor ill will for "enemies" in my heart, I lose the ability to enjoy peace and love in my life. So, for my own selfish reasons, I don't retain any negative feelings about any of ya'll whether you deserve it or not. You're all forgiven whether you need it or not!

It makes me sad to see folks, that I know to be good folks, having bad feelings towards each other since I believe they would be fine with each other if they met on the stone rather than on the screen. I accept that too since it's human nature.

I love to be right, not wrong! We all do. My girlfriend and I have a game where the partner who can prove he or she is right gets to gloat in a good natured way. The problem is that being right is over-rated. It gains little of the popularity, respect, or honor that we imagine it affords. In this climbing game, there are plenty of gray areas too. The gear or practices that we argue about are rarely the real cause of accidents. More dangerous are inattention, fatigue, ego, and bad karma.

I'm a little clueless about who's right or wrong in endless debate/flame threads. I get bored and ignore them when they lose all spark of life, humor, or reality.

It's transparent when politicians ignore the real issues, don't address the main rational points in a debate, but rather obfuscate, pontificate, and regurgitate. It's worse when climbers do it since we aren't trying to get elected. It garbles communication, which in turn erodes the role and value of truth in human relations.

I think its fine that folks point out the potential errors in the opinions posted here. Whether you are nice or nasty about it only reflects on you and affects the quality of your life. Personally, after folks state their case, I think it's wise to agree to disagree rather than push harder and harder back and forth, proving nothing and impressing no-one.

Nobody should take my word for it. Look deeply at your life and witness the negativity that little grudges, enemies, and hatreds breed in your heart. If you forgive all, you can enjoy undivided tranquility without ruminating on insults and slights that pile up with time. Don't worry, the folks you let off the hook suffer plenty on their own without your help.

Peace and Love

Karl "Dang Californicatin Hippie" Baba
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Nov 24, 2004 - 09:40pm PT
Nice Karl! I agree with your sentiments whole heartedly...
Kofi Donny Annan

Nov 24, 2004 - 09:45pm PT
Repost: Jefferson's Sermon on Diversity

Jody and Guido were comparing notes on their favorites firearms on the thread “I love the diversity of opinion on this forum!”, so I had to add a few comments about my firearm and it’s favorite targets.

Peace, too

Heber Jefferson


Again, you firearms-geeks are thinking about the wrong weapon, er.. tool... er..

MY idea of diversity is… let’s talk about girls.

I’m now in my mid-40's.. let me scan back thru some recent “diversity” memories….

Well, 22 might be a tad young, but she was very willing. My protégée, if you will.

53 was the upper end of the scale~~ you’d think too old? But I had to ask her if “they were real”, and they were. Just as nice as the 22 year old's proud set…

The tallest? 6’0” made her the “Power Beast”, but her nice round asset cured all...

5’0”? Been there, done that. Could not do the midget, though (believe me, I met one.. blind date.. she was willing, yikes!).

5’2”, 5’3” ? ah yes.. by the handful. Fits the hand just right, sort of like the Glock 9mm, right Craig, er… Guido?

100 lbs? Check.
110- 115 lbs? My personal fav, yes.
150 lbs, sure.
200lbs?.. chuckle. Well. Maybe once, one o’ my harem was a double-hundred.. Only once. Got to put an upper limit to diversity somewhere….

Flat as a pancake? Sure. One of my “harem-in-waiting” is almost a like a guy; a Cuban woman. I don’t know exactly what to expect. Think of it as a “on-sight flash ascent”.

Large and proud? Sometimes.

Silicone-filled? Twice. Both were once pancakes, now they are proud. I support a woman’s right to chose.

Lily white? Normally. Part American Indian? Yesssssss. Asian? Not often enough. Ditto Hispanic. Bring me more diversity, please.

Ugly as a stump? Well, one blind date.. she was lookin’ kinda rough.. we go hiking and .. I could not exactly look at her face, so had to turn her around…

As beautiful as the most tender poem ever written? Yes. That’s when I fall in love….

Squirters? Hollerers? Biters? Fainters? Bald as a baby? Hairy as a jungle? U-bangy lips? Innies? Lotions? Ropes? Bongs? Hot wax? Ice Cubes? Atop the crag? Backseat of the car? Vibrators the size of Mag-Lites? We have a term here in the South…”it’s ALLLL good!!!”

Frigid as an iceberg? Nearly never.

As hot as Old Faithful? Sure. That’s the norm. ‘Cause while you buys are out taking target practice, I’m out taking um... target practice.

My gun is better than your gun. Or- make love. Not war.


Mountain climber
Templeton, CA
Nov 24, 2004 - 10:26pm PT
Good post Karl. Now if you could get all of your liberal friends to quit saying bad things about Bush and the United States, we would be styling. The post doesn't really apply to me because I try my best to say positive things about Bush and the U.S.
Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 24, 2004 - 10:26pm PT
Dude, I posted that from my spider hole, which has wireless (dial-up) internet.

Course I understand that having peace of mind and doing first ascents of A5 death routes are completely incompatible, so you're excused from aspiring to sanity.

The effluent from my pie hole is for the other 90% of climbers who live to climb but plan on continuing to live.



Nov 24, 2004 - 10:30pm PT
Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 24, 2004 - 10:44pm PT
Dude, you have the "Pound" sign and the "Ass" sign in the middle of your "F#*K"

Is that some kind of secret code like wearing an earing on a certain side or something?



Trad climber
Fort Mill, SC
Nov 24, 2004 - 11:42pm PT
Nicely put Karl. I admire your sentiments.

I'd like to add that behind all the ranting, arguing, pissing and flaming is something we all carry with us. I especially notice it in climbers, maybe cause I've met so many. The thing I'm talking about is pride. If you think about it pride is the opposite of love and respect. In the end the only thing it serves is your ego. Since it can only be used for self-centeredness it is our worst enemy when it comes to building relationships. Isn't it funny that we always detest pride in other people yet we show it all the same in ourselves? I often wonder how I can be so full of myself knowing that if I was someone else looking at me I'd be disappointed, maybe disgusted. On the other hand I give myself lots of slack. We should practice that with others too, I think that's what you're talking about Karl, is it not?

I admit even my pride is involved just writing this post.
Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 24, 2004 - 11:52pm PT
I think the reason folks get negative aren't so simple that one size fits all. Being human is inherently dysfunctional. Folks who get interested in rockclimbing aren't generally inhibited by the expectations of polite and domesticated society so their good and bad sides burst out. Plus climbing ain't normal and neither are climbers.

So it can be ego, pride, road (or work) rage, pms, testosterone poisoning, or a number of other things.



Mountain climber
Templeton, CA
Nov 25, 2004 - 12:06am PT

Stormy Weather can be beautiful, particularly in you're taking pictures and not rockclimbing. Here is the buttress of Tenaya Peak, a route that has become popular recently but used to be totally obscure.

Check out other images in my High Country Gallery.

Mountain climber
Templeton, CA
Nov 25, 2004 - 01:23pm PT
I tried to delete that "bugged" post above, Karl, and all the edit button did is take me to the ST home page.
Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 25, 2004 - 01:38pm PT
No problem Jody, maybe somebody will click on the link and buy pictures!

The funny thing is that when that "bugged" picture originally got posted, the code in the bottom didn't work cause I accidentally finished it with a } instead of a ].

Once this photo got "bug posted" over here, I edited the original code on my photo thread, and now I see that it's fixed here too.



Big Wall climber
Nov 25, 2004 - 04:36pm PT

Yo, to all those out craggin' today, right on. I wish I was.

Happy tofurkey day ya'll.

Eli Hughes
Yosemite, CA

Trad climber
Nov 26, 2004 - 06:54pm PT
I like that piece Karl and i think the comments about pride were interesting. You can't give up all pride cause its tied in with self respect. swinging leads up hard climbs is a crazy mixture of the two.You don't let your mate down and as a result get a great charge out of not letting yourself down.

Trad climber
near Fresno, CA
Nov 28, 2004 - 05:11am PT
I'm liken it Karl! Climbers are given the chance to surely realize how ego cometh before the fall, something to be keen about. This is known as old truth, and surely lives in the heart of the true climber - to be humbled by the route, the crux, the journey.
We love being better climbers than fallers. We've become better fallers, because of our love for climbing :D We've seen our love, our passion for climbing grow opposite of our fear, and we've grown stronger hearts for the effort. So, I have known you, and can hear your peace. You've even taken on an old friend of mine as well, and have taken good care. I can see that in your words and pictures.
This sense of adventure spirit still exists for us despite the "negativity" as not even. I've seen what's good and great rekindled in new hearts, aspiring, and camping with their crash pads as a bed.
Do continue in word and deed - I hope we'll cross paths again one day.

Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 28, 2004 - 09:54am PT
Hey Will

Thanks for the kind words. Your post had a little of that "written at 2 am" flavor to it! LIfe is good.

Carry on



Flagstaff, AZ
Dec 1, 2004 - 01:50pm PT
Since I'm taking a hiatus from not posting to these threads (probably ends here for alteast another week) I figured I'd add this one since it stuck in my craw.

Judy wrote: "Now if you could get all of your liberal friends to quit saying bad things about Bush"

Maybe if he didn't do bad things people wouldn't say bad things about him. Simple logic that seems to miss with a few folks around here (logic that is).
Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 22, 2012 - 11:23pm PT
I'm bumping this one to, as it's ironic we're coming out of another contentious election (this one was better than 2004 for me) and into the Holidays


mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Nov 22, 2012 - 11:42pm PT
being right is over-rated
Repeat after me. Karl is right.


Trad climber
lost, far away from Poland
Nov 23, 2012 - 12:12am PT
I hate when somebody is right.

But it's Thanksgiving and I forgive you Karl Baba :-)

Nov 23, 2012 - 03:49am PT
Thanks Karl

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
Nov 23, 2012 - 10:47am PT
The apostle Paul said, "Let us then say the things which make for peace, and the building up of one another."


Nov 23, 2012 - 11:46am PT
Best thread revival of the week Karl:-)

Sport climber
Nov 23, 2012 - 11:27pm PT
Yeah baba brah!
Youre an inspiration to all! Keep the postive flow man. Free love peace and good smoke!
Hell yeah! Karma religious freedom and bra burning! Vegan eats and adopt a child!
Whacko hippies and peace ins!
Voice of love man!!!!
Mark Hudon

Trad climber
Hood River, OR
Nov 23, 2012 - 11:41pm PT
"Let us then say the things which make for peace, and the building up of one another."

I like that one.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Nov 24, 2012 - 02:30am PT
"...let evry man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath..."--Apostle James

My absolute favorite, more or less.

Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
Nov 24, 2012 - 05:12am PT
Eloquent OP from the past Karl. Thank you...

Some admonitions are timeless. need be quoted on other forums I frequent.

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