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Jason Torlano

Social climber
Dec 9, 2009 - 10:34am PT
Karl We will never agrea with each other I respect your opinion. Admiral Mullen is a politician not a warrior. My hat and thanks go out to the families of the brave and talented special operation soldiers of America who give their lives daily for our freedom.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 9, 2009 - 10:42am PT
The petition again.

http://www.indianadan.com/savetheseals

and the story;
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2009/11/navy-seals-fallujah-blackwater.html
Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Dec 9, 2009 - 10:50am PT
Thanks Jason

I respect your opinion as well and particularly since you've been there.

Always happy to agree to disagree and wish to maintain my respect of those in the service while holding the politicians to their word.

Now you called a military man a politician (and at that high level, he may be heavily influenced) but that just goes to show that politics affects the welfare of the troops, which is my beef.

PEace

Karl
ME Climb

Social climber
Behind the orange Curtain
Dec 9, 2009 - 03:01pm PT
Bluering for bringing this topic up:

HOO YAAAA!
WandaFuca

Social climber
From the gettin place
Dec 9, 2009 - 06:31pm PT
What if?

The worst paranoid fears of right-wing Americans have been realized.

President Obama has ordered 30,000 troops to go to Venezuela to help Hugo Chavez create a socialist utopia.

But you wouldn't want to talk about that.

You'd just want to talk about how bad-ass those SEALs are.

They'll be risking it all, and some will die fighting against the Venezuelan conservatives and moderates that pose no danger to us.

But let's not talk about that.

As we spend our human and monetary treasure, let's talk about how much we respect our warriors while we show them by sending them to fight for a socialist demagogue.

Of course sending troops to Iraq and Afghanistan to fight for organized crime and drug traffickers is an even better way to show our respect, right?

But let's just talk about respect.
General Ripper

climber
GnarthWest
Dec 10, 2009 - 10:37am PT
"I never joined the army because "at ease" never seemed that easy to me. It seemed rather uptight, still. I do not relax by putting my arms behind my back and parting my legs slightly, that does not equal ease to me. At ease is not being in the military. I'm eased bro, cause I'm not in the military."

-Mitch Hedberg
Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Dec 10, 2009 - 11:04am PT
Nice post Wanda

It's always good to sample the shoe on the other foot

If more people looked at both sides of each coin, we'd have to send soldiers to fight less often

Peace

Karl
Jingy

Social climber
Flatland, Ca
Dec 10, 2009 - 12:49pm PT
yeah... I'm with the "Support Our Troops" side of this debate (is it that yet?)

I cannot support the system that sends good human beings off to do whats best for business under the guise of "spreading democracy", or even for the betterment of the business classes", not even to "growth" reasons....




Plus, there is no honor once one of these warriors comes back home....


Don't even take my word for it.... More and more often I'm hearing about suicide being one of the leading causes of casualties on the Armed Forces.... I wonder why that could be? I wonder what kind of situation is a warrior in that would lead so many to off themselves while in the armed forces? hmmmm.. nobody wants to say that there is a problem within the system, and offer up possible solutions to the problem.. they just keep telling me to support my troops.. then tell me to shut up and don't ask questions....


my 2Cents....

no need to offer a refund neither
wildone

climber
GHOST TOWN
Dec 10, 2009 - 12:51pm PT
Juan, you're a f*#king moron. The only reason the united states would send 30,000 troops to Venezuela is to participate in a coup. Obama is no socialist, he's a populist liar. He's MUCH more right-wing than any of us who voted for him would like.
Keep drinking that Fox news Kool-aid. They get advertising dollars by keeping their viewership up, which is accomplished by creating controversy where there isn't one, keeping those with an over-developed reptilian brain foaming at the mouth. As an example, "czars". OMG ROFLMFAO.
First "Czar" appointed by Reagan, "Czar" program greatly expanding by W, but now that Glen Beck shits disinformation into their willing ears, it's suddenly a big deal.
People are such gullible, brain-dead sheep.

As for Afghanistan, I'm finding hard to understand how when George W. was in office, anyone who questioned in any way how we deploy our military resources was labeled as "Hating America", and "anti-freedom"., Butnow that Obama wants to finish choking down the sh#t-sandwich that Bush created, it's suddenly "Patriotic" for all the right-wingers to be calling for the troops to come home.
Care to explain that for me?

Me: Pro-military, anti war, pro-diplomacy, anti pre-emptive strike.
wildone

climber
GHOST TOWN
Dec 10, 2009 - 12:58pm PT
Jingy, you're on the money. My best friend since I was 7, just completed his tour in Fallujah as a Force Recon marine. His account of military life is somewhat shocking.
Batrock

Trad climber
Burbank
Dec 10, 2009 - 01:07pm PT
FATRAD,

I spent 20 years in South Central and East LA without a gun, your a wimp.
WandaFuca

Social climber
From the gettin place
Dec 10, 2009 - 01:40pm PT
Wildone,

1. Wanda is not juan/jeff.

2. You need to work on your reading comprehension.

wildone

climber
GHOST TOWN
Dec 10, 2009 - 03:13pm PT
I always thought you were a pseudonym of Jeff's. Sorry for that. As for my reading comprehension, please elucidate.
WandaFuca

Social climber
From the gettin place
Dec 10, 2009 - 03:25pm PT
I agree with all your positions as you stated them . . . except the one about being a moron.

Some tried to control/limit the comments to this thread to oorahs.

My point was that they would not want the comments so limited if they felt SEALs' and other warriors' sacrifices were being disrespected by sending them to fight for what they would consider a needless war, against our best interests.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 10, 2009 - 04:40pm PT
Wanda, thanks for shitting all over my thread that was supposed to be about Navy SEALS, not your personal feelings regarding war.

WandaFuca

Social climber
From the gettin place
Dec 10, 2009 - 05:15pm PT
You're welcome!

If you just want to have a circle jerk--oooh, heroic and bold . . . aaah, so brave and daring . . . uuuuugghhnn, so tough and badass--I don't think that really shows true respect or appreciation.


The SEALs don't operate in a vacuum; they perform all their bad-assedness where OUR government sends them. The best way to SHOW our respect for their sacrifices is by calling our government to account for wasting their heroism unnecessarily.

A warrior who fights and dies in a needless war is still a hero, but if you support such a waste of heroism with your mindless prattle and jacking, you're a villain.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 10, 2009 - 05:42pm PT
but if you support such a waste of heroism with your mindless prattle and jacking, you're a villain.


Look, dickhead!!!

This was a thread about SEALS and how disciplined and honorable they are. NOT about wars and whether or not SEALS want to be there. YOU added that dimension to it!

You chose to bring your disdain for the current wars into a thread that honored SEALS. They do much more than fight in Afghan/Iraqi conflicts.

Asshole!

Usually you apologize for hijacking a thread too. But I don't expect that from trash like you.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Dec 10, 2009 - 05:48pm PT
There will always be a need for someone to take out the trash.



We are fortunate that those, so able, step up to the task.
WBraun

climber
Dec 10, 2009 - 05:51pm PT
This was a thread about SEALS and how disciplined and honorable they are. NOT about wars and whether or not SEALS want to be there.

Yeah .... !!!!!! LOL

Now ya all STFU and say nice things about these bad ass boys or say nothin at all.

Climbers still can kick their asses on land though :-)
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 10, 2009 - 06:07pm PT
Now ya all STFU and say nice things about these bad ass boys or say nothin at all.

Werner, I don't see how anyone could say a bad thing about SEALS. Am I missing something?

You keep comparing them to how they can't climb like a badass like yourself, can you drop out of a plane at 90,000 feet and open your chute at low altitude?

Can you drop a terrorist holding a US captive firing from one bobbing ship to another accurately, and complete the mission? 3 shots 3 kills at a couple hundred yards from ships bobbing in the sea?
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