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Jody

Mountain climber
Templeton, CA
Oct 22, 2007 - 07:51pm PT
Theron, I'll just buy it, it isn't that expensive. thanks.
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Oct 22, 2007 - 08:04pm PT
Drifting back towards Bluering's original theme, here's another photo from the wayback machine. 1991 this time and you all know where. Fellow on right is criminology prof Alex Alvarez, center is The Doctor back when I just knew him as Dave; left is Navy SEAL Dave Lockett, a swell guy & partner who certified both of my young kids in scuba.

randomtask

climber
North fork, CA
Oct 22, 2007 - 08:20pm PT
I think Karl Baba is making a good point...supporting troops and supporting a war aren't always the same thing.

I think SEALs are bad asses. What they do is incredible and they deserve every ounce of honor we can give them. Karl isn't demeaning them or any other soldiers. WTF is wrong with what he said?? Except SEALs is spelled SEALs, not Seals.

In fresno there is a house that has "I support my country right or wrong" spray painted on it. Is there only black and white in this thread as well??
-JR
Gene

climber
Oct 22, 2007 - 09:02pm PT
Random,

"I think Karl Baba is making a good point...supporting troops and supporting a war aren't always the same thing."

Why don't you go back and read the majority of the posts in this thread.

Gene
The user formerly known as stzzo

Trad climber
The moon, baby!
Oct 22, 2007 - 09:15pm PT
I support my country right or wrong.

And they probably don't even understand the implications of that statement.
The user formerly known as stzzo

Trad climber
The moon, baby!
Oct 22, 2007 - 09:28pm PT
I'm with Karl. Honoring / respecting them includes standing up for them when you think they're getting screwed. If you believe that they are, and you keep you mouth shut, then you're not giving the most respect that you can.

They are badasses indeed.
Shack

Big Wall climber
Reno NV
Oct 22, 2007 - 09:56pm PT
Most of you guys have no idea what SEALs do or are capable of.
I have a friend that I worked with for 15 years who graduated from one of the first BUDs classes in the 60's as a sniper, then spent 2 tours in Nam.

You would absolutely not believe some of the things they had to endure.

Did you know that when you have to crawl 200 yards through elephant grass, with VC mere feet away, it can take days to crawl that distance...and guess what, if you've got to take a sh#t, you do it in your pants or risk detection.
That's what it takes some times to get the shot, when the target is a very well protected officer.


That's hardcore.


Much respect to the SEALs.
randomtask

climber
North fork, CA
Oct 22, 2007 - 11:31pm PT
Gene,
I read every post.


I think SEALs are bad ass. I've read a lot of books by SEALs...they are bad asses. BY SEALs and not ABOUT SEALs.
BUD/S alone sounds like hell. I don't think I could make it through that. The lack of sleep, I'd get over, but the freezing cold you endure in Hell Week. Hell no!!

Whatever, I'm not bashing them OR taking anything away from them.

Why can't Karl make those statements??? In this time, with this war, People llike Karl need to speak those things that others feel are inapropriate regardless of what thread it is on. Oh and yeah, blah,blah,blah I missed your point and blah,blah,blah, you missed mine. But this obviously isn't the time or place.
-JR
Shack

Big Wall climber
Reno NV
Oct 22, 2007 - 11:37pm PT
Thats one word there Crowley...Sacrebleu!
WBraun

climber
Oct 22, 2007 - 11:38pm PT
Is that what makes a bad ass? You sh'it in your pants?

Hahahaha

So then all climbers are bad asses too? They all seem to say they've sh'it in their pants too.
Shack

Big Wall climber
Reno NV
Oct 22, 2007 - 11:44pm PT
Not bad ass enough Werner?
How about having poisonous snakes crawl over and around you for hours,
while you can't move a muscle or make a sound?
How long could you do that?

Try crawling on your stomach, an inch at a time, and straightening the flattened grass with your toes so as not to leave a trail in the grass.
Oh and "sleep" is out of the question....you can't take a nap in the middle of a mission in enemy territory..
So while laying flat on your stomach, you lift your head up off the ground, close your eyes and squeeze in a 3 second nap.
The idea is that as soon as you fall asleep, your face will smack into the ground and wake you up!






john hansen

climber
Oct 22, 2007 - 11:44pm PT
I just finished the book "Lone Survivior" and have the utmost respect for those guys. It does make you wonder thou.. why did the guy that won the Medal of Honour,die, exposing himself to fire while trying to make a 'cell phone call' to try to save his unit.

Why dont these guys have radio's that work? Couldn't they use 'sat' phones?
These guys are the most elite fighting force in the world, but they cant make a phone call?

I read another book called 'Roberts Ridge' and it seems sometimes these elite forces are good at stirring up hornet's nest's. In this one 12 or 15 guys landed on top of a mountain that just happen to have a hundred Taliban fighters dug in on it.

They pulled up to get away from the RPG,s and one guy fell out the back,,, by the time it was over three helicoptor's had gone down and they had suffered many casualty's.

Same in Mogodishu,, the "Delta Force " guys had to run out of the city???? Wheres the calvary?

All due respect for the special forces, they should get the backup they need.

SNAFU... situation normal, all fu#ked up..


WBraun

climber
Oct 22, 2007 - 11:53pm PT
Let me tell ya.

I worked some 5 Survival of the Fittest shows.

The Navy Seals came in last.

The climbers kicked their asses bad.

Now I know one Valley Park Ranger who became a seal, he was a climber too! When he wanted to join they said he was too old but he could try out anyways and then they thought they'd eliminate him in a few days.

He was in the top of the class and they gave him special permission to go on and become a true Navy seal.

Park Ranger becomes Navy seal and was top in the class .....
coiler

Trad climber
The Rock Monkey Ranch
Oct 23, 2007 - 12:01am PT
You don't have to be a Navy Seal to go land, sea, and air. I do it all the time. I ride my 750 motorcycle to Columbia airport (O22) where I jump in my '61 Cessna 150A, I then fly to Watsonville airport (WVI)... head out to Moss Landing and sail the "dutchman", my 27' sloop, out on Monterey Bay.
There you have it; Land, Sea, and Air (in one day). You don't have to get sh#t on by some DI, get sent to f*#ked up Iraq, or be GW's pawn to make it happen. Easy Money Bitches!
Shack

Big Wall climber
Reno NV
Oct 23, 2007 - 12:05am PT
Werner, don't you get it?
It's not about fitness level...it's how much can to take physically and mentally and not give up or quit.
WBraun

climber
Oct 23, 2007 - 12:09am PT
"Werner, don't you get it?"

Don't be so sure.

Never underestimate ..........
The user formerly known as stzzo

Trad climber
The moon, baby!
Oct 23, 2007 - 12:43am PT
A lot of climbers are badass, too.

My grandmother shits in her pants. She must be badass.

Werner...

No matter what you say, SEALs are hardcore.
Shack

Big Wall climber
Reno NV
Oct 23, 2007 - 01:13am PT
Ok, one more thing....

Most people think that the SEALs are like Delta Force, whose missions are generally hostage rescue/precision strike force etc...

Nope.

For the vast majority of SEAL missions, the point of the mission is to gather intelligence data, but to NOT be seen by or engage the enemy at all.
Being spotted or engaging the enemy in a firefight would be considered a failure.
Missions are generally deep behind enemy lines and support is not an option.
The teams are usually dropped miles from the objective and sneak in, then sneak out, without firing a shot.
They do not go on offensive missions.
If they are firing at the enemy it is usually only to cover their evac, which is also typically quite a ways away from the objective.
So if guns are blazing, something has gone wrong.


Hey Bart,
I believe SEAL Team 6 did not officially exist when your bro was on.
Was he on Team 6 when they went and got Noriega?
I know a guy who was on 6 then.
Shack

Big Wall climber
Reno NV
Oct 23, 2007 - 01:39am PT
Believe me, we had guys over there that looked like Iraqi's,
blending in with the population, just waiting for the green light to put a bullet in his head..
We had them there in the first gulf war too. So did the Brits.
But remember, the US doesn't officially do assassination,
and once the war broke out, Saddam took extreme measures to
make sure his location was kept secret.
He was veeery worried about being nabbed by the US.
Shack

Big Wall climber
Reno NV
Oct 23, 2007 - 01:47am PT
You think we should have assassinated him before the war?
Hahaha!
OMG, so then you'd be going on and on about "Dubya, the cold blooded murderer!"

Riiiiight.


BTW, I meant before the war. We had spies gathering intel way before the sheite went down.
Do you seriously think we didn't?
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